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namussi

« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2018, 01:59 »
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People kill people, not guns.

And given how many American people like to kill other American people with guns, Americans probably are the last people who should be allowed to have guns.

Here we go again: another one using stereotypes, putting labels on hundreds of millions of very different people.

Let me break some news to you. It's not the people, it's the system. The system is stimulating the behaviour.

Let me try again, using your generalisation about the American system:

People kill people, not guns.

And given that the American system stimulates people who live in America to kill so many people using guns, people who live under the American system are the last people who should be allowed to have guns.



namussi

« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2018, 02:00 »
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There are a lot of other topics besides Trump and the USA we could discuss. The same basic thread has been started over and over so people can insult Americans and then devolve into insulting each other.

Should the forum have a "Trump and the USA" topic.


namussi

« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2018, 02:09 »
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Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?


« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2018, 02:14 »
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People kill people, not guns.

And given how many American people like to kill other American people with guns, Americans probably are the last people who should be allowed to have guns.

Here we go again: another one using stereotypes, putting labels on hundreds of millions of very different people.

Let me break some news to you. It's not the people, it's the system. The system is stimulating the behaviour.

Let me try again, using your generalisation about the American system:

People kill people, not guns.

And given that the American system stimulates people who live in America to kill so many people using guns, people who live under the American system are the last people who should be allowed to have guns.

Not logical.

Guns for all IS the American system (even if many Americans don't like it). So how can you imagine Americans not allowed to have guns, when the system is insuring they can?

If somehow, somebody will be able to restrict the access to guns for Americans, then we would be talking about a different system, wouldn't we?
And then, under a different system, you'll have no more reason to declare that Americans should be the "last people who should be allowed to have guns".

Too bad you don't see the lack of logic in your statement. Catch 22.

The correct slogan is "people are people". Everywhere. Systems are different.
So stop putting so easily the same label on millions of different people.


« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 02:30 by Zero Talent »

namussi

« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 02:42 »
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People kill people, not guns.

And given how many American people like to kill other American people with guns, Americans probably are the last people who should be allowed to have guns.

Here we go again: another one using stereotypes, putting labels on hundreds of millions of very different people.

Let me break some news to you. It's not the people, it's the system. The system is stimulating the behaviour.

Let me try again, using your generalisation about the American system:

People kill people, not guns.

And given that the American system stimulates people who live in America to kill so many people using guns, people who live under the American system are the last people who should be allowed to have guns.

Not logical.

Guns for all IS the American system. How can you imagine Americans not allowed to have guns, when the system is insuring they can?

If somehow, somebody will be able to restrict the access to guns for Americans, then we would be talking about a different system, wouldn't we?
And then, under a different system, you'll have no more reason to declare that Americans should be the "last people who should be allowed to have guns".

Too bad you don't see the lack of logic in your statement. Catch 22.

The correct slogan is "people are people". Everywhere. Systems are different.

My logic is perfect. But you moved the goal posts by adding additional information that you hadn't relied on before, by saying that the American system is "guns for all".

And if you're right, there may not be a solution the problem of mass slaughter by guns.

Perhaps the US is in a nasty positive feedback loop: gun sales there rise after a mass shooting.

The more guns there are, given Americans' propensity to use them to kill people, then the more gun deaths there. 

That encourages more people to carry guns -- as it may be rational for an individual (especially criminals) to think that he or she needs a gun to defend him or herself against other people with guns.

But that means there are more incidents.... So more people buy guns.... etc.

The arms race is unstoppable. The cat is out of the bag. The horse has bolted. Etc.

(I'm sure other people can think of some more homespun clichs to go along with that.)






« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 03:18 »
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My logic is perfect. But you moved the goal posts by adding additional information that you hadn't relied on before, by saying that the American system is "guns for all".


"My logic is perfect" Ha!  ::)

First of all there is NO logic in putting the same label on hundreds millions of different people. Unfortunately, I have to repeat myself for the 3rd time. Hopefully you'll realise you were wrong. 3rd time's the charm, usually.

Secondly, I didn't move any goal post.
What are you doing in this debate, if you don't know about the holiness of the second amendment?

That's the "system", or rather the system is the constitution and it's derivatives. What else? That's what the whole debate is about.

So, no goal post was ever moved. The constitution is in the same place now, as it was before you began using what you call the "perfect logic" of stamping all Americans.

Otherwise, I'm glad you realised the vicious circle and the unintended consequences created by an archaic, hard to change American system.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 03:49 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2018, 03:59 »
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Why are off topic threads pulled from the off topic forum?

Isnt that what the forum is about?

Can the thread not be moderated by moderating comments instead of pulling whole threads?

I dont know any forum that deletes whole threads. Comments get moderated or a thread gets locked. But never pulled.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ethiopia-declares-state-of-emergency/ar-BBJea1R?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Ethiopia state of emergency
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazilian-army-to-take-control-of-security-in-rio-as-violence-rises/ar-BBJdQkG?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Army Takes over in Rio
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2018/Maldives-officials-are-accusing-two-arrested-Supreme-Court-justices-and-a-former-president-of-plotting-to-overthrow-the-government/id-949de25cada04b7092e47d13c334b386
Two arrested Supreme Court justices and a former president had been plotting to overthrow the government of the Maldives

But you want to write about how its so bad in America. Open your eyes at home.

Ireland consistent poverty; low pay and inconsistent working hours; families with children living in emergency accommodation; disadvantaged can't get third level education.


It has become fashionable to bash America. And since Americans are even bashing America why not just keep your blinders on, ignore your own country's problems, and join the America bashing herd. Moooooooooo.
Maybe you have a point but your leader and many of his followers are not exactly slow in denigrating countries all round the world. I think many from other countries just can't grasp the mindset of many Americans when it comes to guns. Maybe if they looked at the rest of the world they might learn something as clearly somethings not working .

namussi

« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2018, 05:04 »
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First of all there is NO logic in putting the same label on hundreds millions of different people.

Yes there is such a logic We use it everyday.

Here is the tale of the Bertrand Russell's Inductivist Turkey

https://youtu.be/5oZCGh9q6NI


And here are a few sledgehammers to crack your nut from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Inductive logic.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-inductive/

An inductive logic is a system of evidential support that extends deductive logic to less-than-certain inferences. For valid deductive arguments the premises logically entail the conclusion, where the entailment means that the truth of the premises provides a guarantee of the truth of the conclusion. Similarly, in a good inductive argument the premises should provide some degree of support for the conclusion, where such support means that the truth of the premises indicates with some degree of strength that the conclusion is true.

And also probabilistic logic.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-probability/

By integrating the complementary perspectives of qualitative logic and numerical probability theory, probability logics are able to offer highly expressive accounts of inference. It should therefore come as no surprise that they have been applied in all fields that study reasoning mechanisms, such as philosophy, artificial intelligence, cognitive science and mathematics.

namussi

« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2018, 05:19 »
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What are you doing in this debate, if you don't know about the holiness of the second amendment?


Whether I know about the alleged holiness of the second amendment is irrelevant.

I'm in this debate because I like debating.

Sometimes I take positions I agree with; sometimes I defend positions I don't agree with, just for the fun of debating.


Semmick Photo

« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2018, 08:13 »
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Selma, Paulie, and the lot,

I dont care one iota if you bash Ireland or the Netherlands for whats wrong in those countries, if you have a point, you have a point and I will be more than happy to agree. I opened a thread about Trump, then thats the topic. If you want to start a thread on the 800 dead children found at the Tuam care home in Ireland, be my guest. I will share my opinion when you do.

People get upset when a topic about the USA is started here, and before anyone has insulted anyone a few come in saying, great another thread to insult Americans. Let me get my violin out.

Tyler, you allow someone here to constantly call Germans Nazi's, but do nothing about it. Yet a political topic gets pulled because you cant be bothered to spend 5 minutes moderating.

Anyway, since this thread has gone to bits, please lock it.

« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2018, 09:17 »
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People kill people, not guns.

This bit of NRA-promoted idiocy is one of the dumbest statements out there.  People certainly find many ways to kill each other, but they do it much more easily and efficiently with guns.  Killing people is the main reason most guns exist.  You can't say the same for other commonly used instruments of murder, such as knives.

PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2018, 09:37 »
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Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2018, 09:46 »
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Guns aren't the problem. The bought and paid for politicians are the problem.

Every poll will tell you most Americans are for some level of gun control, at least getting the assault rifles off the street.

There's no point arguing about it, the only ones left arguing against are the small percentage of hard core who will never be convinced. The types who run out and buy guns or contribute more to the NRA whenever there is another massacre. And the majority of them are only doing that because they are under a barrage of propaganda form right-wing media outlets and the aforementioned paid for politicians.

If you want sanity back go out and campaign to get money out of politics and vote in representatives who will make it happen.

Get behind a "shame on you" campaign naming and shaming every politician, from any party, taking NRA money. Take into account when the NRA pays to attack a politician too, consider that as a point in the politician's favour.

Arguing points that have already been won wont get you anywhere. All this division is a distraction. Start concentrating on organising, power and politics.


RAW

« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2018, 09:47 »
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It's not about guns. It's not about people. It's about money and greed.

« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2018, 09:57 »
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Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

You should read the links you provided:

"School shootings are an "overwhelmingly American" phenomenon due to the availability of firearms in the United States.[40]"
That's why the US is the only country in the links with it's own dedicated School Shooting Wikipedia page page.

Take a look at the other pages you linked to too. Almost every (every?) country above the US in any one of those tables is either a war torn third world nation or has had like one murder but has a population so tiny that one killing threw the stats off massively. Are these the countries the US should be grouped with or aspire to emulate as the richest most powerful country in the world? Shouldn't it aspire to a positive rank among first world countries?

Or are the pages you linked to also "biased news media"?


Shelma1

« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2018, 09:59 »
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Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

From your own Wikipedia source about school shootings: "School shootings are an 'overwhelmingly American' phenomenon due to the availability of firearms in the United States."

More than half of all school shootings in the US have occurred since 1990. Wayne La Pierre has served as CEO of the NRA since 1991.

« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2018, 10:21 »
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Guns for all IS the American system

This actually is not true, at least not according to the constitution.  This idea of "second amendment rights" has now been perverted so thoroughly that even Zero Talent states the idea that people can own firearms at home as a fact.

The actual text of the second amendment is, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".  The Founding Fathers were concerned about protecting the state from foreign powers, especially after the British had a policy of capturing the magazines of the colonies in 1774 and 1775.  The second amendment, as you can clearly tell by reading what is written, only authorizes the right to bear arms in the context of a well regulated militia.  We can know this with absolute certainty by the key phrase "A well regulated militia".  Not much interpretation required for that.  Random yahoos having guns at home is not well regulated and not a militia (which can only be authorized by Congress), so absolutely, 100% is NOT authorized by the second amendment. 

You could debate about whether "the security of a free state" would include personal weapons, but we can discount that by the first clause about militias and also by understanding the historical context.  In the 1770s the colonies did not have their own armies.  If there were a need for defense, every able-bodied (male, slave-holding in the south) citizen would be mustered into a militia and issued weapons from a communal store.  Most people did not own firearms because they were 1) very expensive and 2) required loading with cartridges of gunpowder and primed with black powder.  Keeping lots of gunpowder lying around in wooden houses that were lighted and heated with open flames is not a great idea.  Instead, gunpowder and weapons were stored in community magazines that were present in most large cities. To prevent the citizens from rebelling, the British removed gunpowder from magazines in Massachusetts in 1774 and Virginia in 1775.  This was fresh on the minds of the framers of the constitution and is likely why the second amendment was deemed so important.

The US was absolutely NOT set up as a gun state!  The right to bear arms was only in the context of a well organized militia for the security of the state, which we can know with absolute certainty because it was written in clear, plain English.  The modern equivalent of a 1780s militia is the National Guard, and nobody has ever talked about disarming them.  That amendment was written before the age of professional, standing militaries and really should be removed since we no longer use militias for defense.

For over 150 years the Supreme Court interpreted the second amendment as it was written.  It is only during the past 50 years that the NRA, through consistent messaging and buying off of congresspeople, has perverted the public perception of the second amendment so much that even liberals talk about "second amendment rights" as if it means individuals can keep firearms at home.  Yet, this clearly is not what the constitution says, and especially so when you consider the historical context in which it was written.  The second amendment right to bear arms in modern society should only rest with the various state national guard units.  The second amendment only applies to arms in the context of a militia; it is silent about firearms owned by individuals.  This means that individuals owning firearms should be decided and regulated separately by the states.

It is a travesty that one organization has managed to twist the constitution to serve the ends of a single industry.  It is long past time for the power of the NRA to end and the people to read the constitution and interpret it as it was written and intended.

« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2018, 10:23 »
+1
Rest assured, all these weapons, nuclear bomb included, are just made to assure PEACE!!!!
And all the people who don't get it are idiots...
what did you expect?
[mode "ironic"=off]
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 10:26 by Oligo »

namussi

« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2018, 10:26 »
+2
Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

Thanks for the information. I notice that there are far more children slaughtered at schools in the United States than in any other country.

And I"m glad you think it's relevant to compare the US to third-world countries -- many of which are far worse than the US -- rather than other developed democracies, whose gun killings, especiallly at schools, are tiny compared to the US.




PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2018, 10:31 »
+1


Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

You should read the links you provided:

"School shootings are an "overwhelmingly American" phenomenon due to the availability of firearms in the United States.[40]"
That's why the US is the only country in the links with it's own dedicated School Shooting Wikipedia page page.

Take a look at the other pages you linked to too. Almost every (every?) country above the US in any one of those tables is either a war torn third world nation or has had like one murder but has a population so tiny that one killing threw the stats off massively. Are these the countries the US should be grouped with or aspire to emulate as the richest most powerful country in the world? Shouldn't it aspire to a positive rank among first world countries?

Or are the pages you linked to also "biased news media"?

Exactly what I expected. Let's ignore and exclude statistics from places that have higher murder rates. It's okay to kill people and children in those countries. Let's not talk about those countries. It's the USA that's evil.

PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2018, 10:36 »
+1
Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

Thanks for the information. I notice that there are far more children slaughtered at schools in the United States than in any other country.

And I"m glad you think it's relevant to compare the US to third-world countries -- many of which are far worse than the US -- rather than other developed democracies, whose gun killings, especiallly at schools, are tiny compared to the US.

So killing children is okay in other countries then. It's only a problem in the USA apparently.

namussi

« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2018, 10:36 »
+2
Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

No-one is saying that the USA loves to slaughter children.

But we are all puzzled and horrified why the US seems to be the only country in the world where school shootings happen so frequently.

It happens so often that there's even a Wikipedia page on US school shootings.

#maga






RAW

« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2018, 10:40 »
+2
Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

Thanks for the information. I notice that there are far more children slaughtered at schools in the United States than in any other country.

And I"m glad you think it's relevant to compare the US to third-world countries -- many of which are far worse than the US -- rather than other developed democracies, whose gun killings, especiallly at schools, are tiny compared to the US.

So killing children is okay in other countries then. It's only a problem in the USA apparently.

So you are happy comparing the USA to a third world dingbat state.
At least we know where America is heading with 'Make America Great Again'.

What happened to moral leadership?

namussi

« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2018, 10:41 »
+1
Your killing your own children and you're talking about 'what's fashionable' - What is wrong with you people?

There's no other country where people are killing each other?

I have difficulty finding another country -- especially in the West -- where people slaughter so many children at school so often.

Perhaps you can help?

Oh boy. Sure I can help. Why only focus on the West? Has it become acceptable and mainstream for certain countries to slaughter people so let's just ignore them and exclude them from the statistics? Hardly.

Here are some figures by country per 100,000 people which is a reasonable measurement based on percentage of killings by population.

General homicide by all methods. If you sort by homicides it should be no surprise, maybe except for you, that places like El Salvador and Honduras top the list by rate. Even by total count Brazil and India are at the top. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Killings by firearms. Again, sorting by homicides places like Honduras and Venezuela top that list which shouldn't be a surprise. It's reasonable to assume children are part of these figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

School shootings. You'll notice there are countries on this list other than the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

The information is there if you decide to look for it. Or you can blindly follow biased news media groups whose goal is to report information in a way that creates the most turmoil/division, gets them better ratings, and makes them more money. There are atrocities happening globally every day. Murder is horrible, Especially children. To say that United States is the only place where people, or children, are "slaughtered" is really naive.  All countries have their problems. Quit blindly following the news media and focusing on the United States.

Now that I've presented some figures I fully expect to see responses with statistics being ignored, pivoting away from the topic, and more USA loves killing children drivel. Please proceed. I'll grab some popcorn.

Thanks for the information. I notice that there are far more children slaughtered at schools in the United States than in any other country.

And I"m glad you think it's relevant to compare the US to third-world countries -- many of which are far worse than the US -- rather than other developed democracies, whose gun killings, especiallly at schools, are tiny compared to the US.

So killing children is okay in other countries then. It's only a problem in the USA apparently.

No, it's not OK.

The US has a bigger problem than other countries with school shootings.

And, unlike other countries where there have been school shootings, the US doesn't seem to be able to do anything about it because so many people don't seem to think it's a problem.

Perhaps killings in schools are so regular now that people in the US think they're normal -- a bit like car accidents.

« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2018, 10:43 »
0

Yes there is such a logic We use it everyday.

Ha, ha, there is no logic because your assumptions are false as well as your induction process.
Your are the turkey who got his head chopped in November.  ;D

If only 1 (one) American is an exception, then your induction fails, because your statement was about ALL Americans.
Bigots, racists, xenophobes use your induction every day to "prove" that Muslim are terrorists, Mexicans are rapists, Gypsies are thieves, etc

Your "perfect logic" is also called stereotyping.

And it is very wrong, even if people like you use it every day.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 10:47 by Zero Talent »


 

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