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« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2018, 20:37 »
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Yes there is such a logic We use it everyday.

Ha, ha, there is no logic because your assumptions are false as well as your induction process.
Your are the turkey who got his head chopped in November.  ;D

If only 1 (one) American is an exception, then your induction fails, because your statement was about ALL Americans.
Bigots, racists, xenophobes use your induction every day to "prove" that Muslim are terrorists, Mexicans are rapists, Gypsies are thieves, etc

Your "perfect logic" is also called stereotyping.

And it is very wrong, even if people like you use it every day.

No, the "perfect logic" was about the deductive reasoning from the information you supplied earlier. Deductive logic is different to inductive and probabilistic logic.

Secondly, you claimed there was "no logic" in labelling people. I showed you there was: inductive logic and probabilistic logic. You were wrong

Thirdly, we use  labels for groups of people who share similar characteristics all the time: liberals, conservatives, sports fans, artists.

Fourthly, you obviously missed the point of the inductive turkey. You're the turkey, because you deny the value of induction and probabilistic logic.

You keep on repeating some concepts too complex for you to understand.

Go back to your high school calculus. YouTube is great, but not always good enough to replace a book.

For the inductive logic to work, it is not only sufficient to prove it for one, two, or one hundred particular cases. It is necessary to prove that what is valid for the nth case, is also logically valid for the n+1 case or by testing every single case, in case of finite sets.

You failed to prove that and so did the turkey who got his head chopped off.

What you have there is an incomplete induction, which is not sufficient for the conclusion to be true.
In the best case, you can use it for statistics to claim that "most Americans", or a "majority of Americans", or 49.52% of Americans share a characteristic.

You can only say Americans, ALL Americans or 100% of Americans are like this or like that, if you obtain certainty through complete induction (or by testing every single individual American)

You failed to do that, therefore your conclusion is not necessarily true.
Moreover, you only need 1 (one) exception from your rule, to make it logically false.

Fyi, statements that seem true through incomplete induction (without having a proof) but also no known exception to prove them false are called conjectures.

See, for example, the Goldbach Conjecture, which is a yet unproven conjecture stating that every even integer greater than two is the sum of two prime numbers.
It looks true, we don't have known exceptions, but it is NOT a true statement, from a logical point of view.

Your statement is not even a conjecture, let alone true or "perfect logic", as you believe.
It is false, pure and simple. Easily provable. There is no country on earth more diverse than The United States. Exceptions are everywhere.

This is why the turkey lost his head.

This is why you are no different than those, bigots, racists, xenophobes or simple ignorants, who use similar flawed "logic" to justify their beliefs and assumptions, equating :
muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat
italians = mafia
...(add your stereotype here)

All these equations (including yours) are false.

Quot erat demonstrandum.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 21:38 by Zero Talent »


namussi

« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2018, 21:47 »
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Chicago is ridden with crime and you want to blame the states next to IL. Lets blame the countries next to the US for the gun and crime problems in the US. Start with Mexico? That's your plan.

But that's not comparing like with like. Mexico is a different country.

There are no border checks between Illinois and neighbouring states.

Perhaps there should be.

Perhaps there will be once the second American civil war breaks out.

« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2018, 22:11 »
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Obama had power for eight years now you blame Trump for doing nothing.

Wow, you complain about people bashing Trump and the first thing you do is mention Obama.  Pot, Kettle, Black.

The problem is that your statement is disingenuous.  Although Obama was the president, Democrats only controlled the house for the first two years of his presidency and only had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate for four months of his eight years - that was when Obamacare was passed.  Obama tried very hard to get gun control passed.  If Democrats had controlled the house and the senate when Obama was president you can be sure that some form of gun control would have passed.

Trump is in a similar situation - Republicans control the house, but don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate.  However, there is no doubt that if the Republicans propose laws for reasonable gun control they will be strongly if not unanimously supported by Democrats.  On gun control Trump is doing nothing - he could use the power of his office to get his fellow Republicans to do the right thing, but has shown no leadership.  Obama tried very hard but was thwarted by Republicans - to imply that he had the power to do this and didn't get it done is a lie.

namussi

« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2018, 22:13 »
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Yes there is such a logic We use it everyday.

Ha, ha, there is no logic because your assumptions are false as well as your induction process.
Your are the turkey who got his head chopped in November.  ;D

If only 1 (one) American is an exception, then your induction fails, because your statement was about ALL Americans.
Bigots, racists, xenophobes use your induction every day to "prove" that Muslim are terrorists, Mexicans are rapists, Gypsies are thieves, etc

Your "perfect logic" is also called stereotyping.

And it is very wrong, even if people like you use it every day.

No, the "perfect logic" was about the deductive reasoning from the information you supplied earlier. Deductive logic is different to inductive and probabilistic logic.

Secondly, you claimed there was "no logic" in labelling people. I showed you there was: inductive logic and probabilistic logic. You were wrong

Thirdly, we use  labels for groups of people who share similar characteristics all the time: liberals, conservatives, sports fans, artists.

Fourthly, you obviously missed the point of the inductive turkey. You're the turkey, because you deny the value of induction and probabilistic logic.

You keep on repeating some concepts too complex for you to understand.

Go back to your high school calculus. YouTube is great, but not always good enough to replace a book.

For the inductive logic to work, it is not only sufficient to prove it for one, two, or one hundred particular cases. It is necessary to prove that what is valid for the nth case, is also logically valid for the n+1 case or by testing every single case, in case of finite sets.

You failed to prove that and so did the turkey who got his head chopped off.

What you have there is an incomplete induction, which is not sufficient for the conclusion to be true.
In the best case, you can use it for statistics to claim that "most Americans", or a "majority of Americans", or 49.52% of Americans share a characteristic.

You can only say Americans, ALL Americans or 100% of Americans are like this or like that, if you obtain certainty through complete induction (or by testing every single individual American)

You failed to do that, therefore your conclusion is not necessarily true.
Moreover, you only need 1 (one) exception from your rule, to make it logically false.

Fyi, statements that seem true through incomplete induction (without having a proof) but also no known exception to prove them false are called conjectures.

See, for example, the Goldbach Conjecture, which is a yet unproven conjecture stating that every even integer greater than two is the sum of two prime numbers.
It looks true, we don't have known exceptions, but it is NOT a true statement, from a logical point of view.

Your statement is not even a conjecture, let alone true or "perfect logic", as you believe.
It is false, pure and simple. Easily provable. There is no country on earth more diverse than The United States. Exceptions are everywhere.

This is why the turkey lost his head.

This is why you are no different than those, bigots, racists, xenophobes or simple ignorants, who use similar flawed "logic" to justify their beliefs and assumptions, equating :
muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat
italians = mafia
...(add your stereotype here)

All these equations (including yours) are false.

Quot erat demonstrandum.

you are putting words into my mouth

My tag "perfect logic" was about a deductive argument I made before we started talking about induction.

Secondly, you said there was "no logic" in labelling people based on a sample of those people. There are: the branches of inductive logic and probabilistic logic.

Whether my conclusions derived from using these branches of logic are valid is another matter.

But every day we use probabilistic logic. You presume that people will drive on the correct side of the road based on your experience. You might run a red light on the basis that you've got away with it before.

This is why you are no different than those, bigots, racists, xenophobes or simple ignorants, who use similar flawed "logic" to justify their beliefs and assumptions, equating :
muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat


Indeed. That is cherry picking the misuse of induction, and most of those claims are based on flawed heuristics. But we use inductive logic and probabilistic logic for positive stereotypes as well.

For example, doctors want to cure you (and not murder you).

Or, Americans love democracy and freedom.

As for Americans being fat....

Overall, 70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese, meaning that an unhealthy weight has become the norm, with normal weight Americans a BMI of less than 25 now in the minority.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/america-s-obesity-epidemic-reaches-record-high-new-report-says-n810231








« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2018, 22:26 »
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BTW, for those who want to do something, the survivors of the most recent Florida shooting are planning a march on DC for March 24 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43105701).  These students are really taking a stand and their goal is to break the back of the NRA.  If we can make NRA dollars toxic to politicians then there is hope of taking back the country.  Baby steps.  When 17-year-old high school students show more wisdom and intelligence than our "leaders" then it clearly is a time for a change of leadership!

I will try to go to the rally depending on schedule - the 11-hour drive each way makes it difficult with work.  If not there then Indianapolis - a large rally now with a buildup to the elections could see a change in November.

namussi

« Reply #80 on: February 18, 2018, 22:32 »
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You keep on repeating some concepts too complex for you to understand.

Go back to your high school calculus. YouTube is great, but not always good enough to replace a book.

For the inductive logic to work, it is not only sufficient to prove it for one, two, or one hundred particular cases. It is necessary to prove that what is valid for the nth case, is also logically valid for the n+1 case or by testing every single case, in case of finite sets.

I don't think that's calculus, but I'll let it pass.

As for complex concepts I don't understand: I'm out of practice.

It's thirty years since last I studied induction, predicate logic, theories of truth, philosophy of science etc at university.  Although my training in statistics and methodology is more recent.

« Reply #81 on: February 18, 2018, 22:33 »
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As for Americans being fat....

Overall, 70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese, meaning that an unhealthy weight has become the norm, with normal weight Americans a BMI of less than 25 now in the minority.

You see, there is a big difference between what you said and what someone who knows logic wrote in this statement.

"70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese" is the correct way to put it.
It is a factual statement. I can agree with it.

On the other hand "Americans are fat" is false, because 29.3% are not overweight nor obese (not fat)

Same goes for "doctors want to cure".
It is a false statement, because there are cases of doctors doing intentional harm to people.

A correct statement would be: Most doctors want to cure you.

Also not "all Americans love democracy and freedom". Counter-examples with American extremists, terrorists or mass-shooters are numerous.

Therefore, this statement is also false.
A correct way to say it would be "a large majority of Americans love democracy and freedom", if you don't know the exact percentage.

You keep on making the same mistake over and over again, when is so simple...Really!


« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 22:47 by Zero Talent »

namussi

« Reply #82 on: February 18, 2018, 22:44 »
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As for Americans being fat....

Overall, 70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese, meaning that an unhealthy weight has become the norm, with normal weight Americans a BMI of less than 25 now in the minority.

You see there, there is a big difference between what you said and what someone who knows logic wrote in that statement.

"70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese" is the correct way to put it.
It is a factual statement. I can agree with it.

On the other hand "Americans are fat" is false, because 29.3% are not overweight or obese (not fat)

Same goes for "doctors want to cure".
It is a false statement, because there are cases of doctors doing intentional harm to people.

A correct statement would be: Most doctors want to cure you.

Also not "all Americans love democracy and freedom". Counter-examples are numerous.

Therefore, this statement is also false.
A correct way to say it would be "a large majority of Americans love democracy and freedom", if you don't know the exact percentage.

You keep on making the same mistake over and over again, when is so simple...Really!

"Americans are fat" is useful heuristic derived from probabilistic logic.

It's another way to say "in America, it is normal to be fat or obese"

PS I agree with what you say about the Second Amendment. It is archaic and ambiguous.



« Reply #83 on: February 18, 2018, 22:52 »
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As for Americans being fat....

Overall, 70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese, meaning that an unhealthy weight has become the norm, with normal weight Americans a BMI of less than 25 now in the minority.

You see there, there is a big difference between what you said and what someone who knows logic wrote in that statement.

"70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese" is the correct way to put it.
It is a factual statement. I can agree with it.

On the other hand "Americans are fat" is false, because 29.3% are not overweight or obese (not fat)

Same goes for "doctors want to cure".
It is a false statement, because there are cases of doctors doing intentional harm to people.

A correct statement would be: Most doctors want to cure you.

Also not "all Americans love democracy and freedom". Counter-examples are numerous.

Therefore, this statement is also false.
A correct way to say it would be "a large majority of Americans love democracy and freedom", if you don't know the exact percentage.

You keep on making the same mistake over and over again, when is so simple...Really!

"Americans are fat" is useful heuristic derived from probabilistic logic.

It's another way to say "in America, it is normal to be fat or obese"

PS I agree with what you say about the Second Amendment. It is archaic and ambiguous.

We are making progress, then!
"in America, it is normal to be fat or obese" can be a correct statement, if we agree that "normal" means "a majority"

You still have to admit that a blanket statement like "Americans are fat" is a false statement, (because 29.7% are NOT).
And then, we are done, here  ;)
« Last Edit: February 18, 2018, 22:56 by Zero Talent »

namussi

« Reply #84 on: February 18, 2018, 23:43 »
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As for Americans being fat....

Overall, 70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese, meaning that an unhealthy weight has become the norm, with normal weight Americans a BMI of less than 25 now in the minority.

You see there, there is a big difference between what you said and what someone who knows logic wrote in that statement.

"70.7 percent of Americans are either overweight or obese" is the correct way to put it.
It is a factual statement. I can agree with it.

On the other hand "Americans are fat" is false, because 29.3% are not overweight or obese (not fat)

Same goes for "doctors want to cure".
It is a false statement, because there are cases of doctors doing intentional harm to people.

A correct statement would be: Most doctors want to cure you.

Also not "all Americans love democracy and freedom". Counter-examples are numerous.

Therefore, this statement is also false.
A correct way to say it would be "a large majority of Americans love democracy and freedom", if you don't know the exact percentage.

You keep on making the same mistake over and over again, when is so simple...Really!

"Americans are fat" is useful heuristic derived from probabilistic logic.

It's another way to say "in America, it is normal to be fat or obese"

PS I agree with what you say about the Second Amendment. It is archaic and ambiguous.

We are making progress, then!
"in America, it is normal to be fat or obese" can be a correct statement, if we agree that "normal" means "a majority"

You still have to admit that a blanket statement like "Americans are fat" is a false statement, (because 29.7% are NOT).
And then, we are done, here  ;)

"all Americans are fat" is false

ME: What sort of house do you live in?

ZEROTALENT: Well, when I left home this morning, I was living in a three-bedroom detached colonial style house with a large garden. But I cannot say truthfully that the house is the same as when I left, or, indeed, whether I still live there.  A mischievous philosopher may have burned the house to the ground, or my landlord may have got a court order evicting me and so I no longer live in the house. In fact, there are so many possibilities of what might have happened in the intervening time that I cannot answer your question sensibly at all. 

ME: Whatever. BTW, did you see that the sceptical turkey who kept running away died of hunger?


« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2018, 05:29 »
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Exactly what I expected. Let's ignore and exclude statistics from places that have higher murder rates. It's okay to kill people and children in those countries. Let's not talk about those countries. It's the USA that's evil.

Which country would you like to talk about with greater number of shooting per capita than the US? or more specifically greater number of school shootings?

You should start a thread about whichever country it is you want to discuss. There could be people on this forum from that country on here that would like to engage with you about the systemic and societal problems that have lead it to that situation.

This thread seems to be mostly discussing the situation in the US. It is the predominant superpower and richest nation in the world at this time, but we could switch to discussing Honduras and its unique problems I guess? I am not sure as many people would have a vested interest though?

Well, this thread is about "Forum Moderation" nothing else
But like always some fanatic diverted it from its original purpose
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 05:31 by Chichikov »

Shelma1

« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2018, 07:07 »
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How about the people you know? How many are gun owners, how many have many guns and stockpiles of ammo. How many are against guns and won't have one in their home. I know more people who are not only against the violence but don't want a gun at home. Tell me about your friends.

Nice pass, Obama had power for eight years now you blame Trump for doing nothing. The question is why didn't all you know it all people who want to tell us how to live and think, do something? Maybe it's not as easy as just blaming Trump for everything that's wrong that you left behind.

Chicago is ridden with crime and you want to blame the states next to IL. Lets blame the countries next to the US for the gun and crime problems in the US. Start with Mexico? That's your plan.

The Obama thing has already been explained to you...clearly you don't understand the U.S. political system, being from Canada.

A lot of the problem in Mexico can be blamed on the U.S., since we supply them with guns.

The number of people I know is statistically insignificant, but let's just say they run the gamut from career criminals who commit armed robbery to rabid right-wing nutcases who are stockpiling weapons to staunch liberals AND conservatives who won't own a gun and want most of them destroyed.

Stop your obsession with Chicago. Look up the cities with the worst homicide rates in the U.S. instead of getting your talking points from Breitbart.

Let's talk about Regina instead, the murder capital of Canada, since that's where you live. "Bray [Regina's Chief of Police] gave four reasons what is driving crime in Regina: firearms, drugs, gang activity and street crime. "

Explain why he puts firearms at the top of his list.

niktol

« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2018, 07:33 »
+2

Well, this thread is about "Forum Moderation" nothing else
But like always some fanatic diverted it from its original purpose

Because there is nothing to discuss, it's a private place and any post or thread or even subforum can be deleted without explanations. More to it, on a typical professional forum, only purely technical questions and answers are allowed. None of the venting or chit-chat, political or otherwise. So naturally, when the subject is non-issue, people go off on tangents and scratch where it itches.

« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2018, 08:13 »
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"all Americans are fat" is false


Thank you.

Because "Americans are fat" is also False.
The same goes for "Muslim are terrorists",
"Mexicans are rapists", "Russians are drunks" and so on. All these are false.

Just be careful with your superficial generalizations in the future. Be more nuanced in your expression to avoid blaming innocent people for mistakes made by others, even when "others" means a majority.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 09:21 by Zero Talent »

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2018, 08:31 »
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hahaha! for some living in Brazil, Hong-Kong, NZ, etc, etc to say that Chicago this and that is riddled with crime?? how do they know? seen too many movies or TV series I suppose!

RAW

« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2018, 09:13 »
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"all Americans are fat" is false


Thank you.

Because "Americans are fat" is also False.
The same goes for "Muslim are terrorists",
"Mexicans are rapists", "Russians are drunks" and so on. All these are false.

Just be careful with your superficial generalizations in the future. Be more nuanced in your expression to avoid blaming innocent people for mistakes made by others, even if "others" means a majority.

I bought a new fridge recently. I could not find one to fit between the kitchen cabinets. They were all too big.
The salesperson at Lowes said that "Fridges got bigger as Americans got fatter".

« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2018, 09:19 »
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Funny to notice that, last night, John Oliver, with his usual humor, identified the same flaws of superficial generalizations, I was debating here:

https://youtu.be/QCjk_NPsIqU

His conclusion starts around 16:40 and it goes like this:

"Donald Trump does not reflect America! To be completely honest, it does reflect it A BIT"
  ;D
"The point is America is not one thing. It is a beautiful mess of contradictions, where good and bad are mixed together"
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 09:45 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2018, 10:25 »
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"all Americans are fat" is false


Thank you.

Because "Americans are fat" is also False.
The same goes for "Muslim are terrorists",
"Mexicans are rapists", "Russians are drunks" and so on. All these are false.

You guys spend far too much time debating minor points of semantics.  The problem is that the statement "Americans are fat" could be true or false depending on whether it was meant absolutely, i.e., "all Americans are fat" - which clearly is false - or statistically, i.e., "on average, Americans are fat" - which unfortunately is true.  It is impossible to tell whether the statement "Americans are fat" is true or false by itself without knowing whether it was meant absolutely or statistically.

Just be careful with your superficial generalizations in the future. Be more nuanced in your expression to avoid blaming innocent people for mistakes made by others, even when "others" means a majority.

Yes, this would solve the problem going forward.

« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2018, 11:01 »
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"all Americans are fat" is false


Thank you.

Because "Americans are fat" is also False.
The same goes for "Muslim are terrorists",
"Mexicans are rapists", "Russians are drunks" and so on. All these are false.

Just be careful with your superficial generalizations in the future. Be more nuanced in your expression to avoid blaming innocent people for mistakes made by others, even when "others" means a majority.

Yes, this would solve the problem going forward.

Exactly. Thanks!

I would definitely agree with statements like: Statistically, Americans Love Guns. A majority of Americans Love Freedom and Democracy. I also agree that most Americans are fat (BTW, the same goes for a majority of Canadians, Australians, British, Spaniards, French, Italians, Swedes, Mexicans, Brazilians or Germans)  ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_body_mass_index

Blanket statements like "Americans are fat" with no added nuance nor clarifications are false, wrong, unfair and often offensive.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 11:06 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2018, 11:06 »
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Chicago is ridden with crime and you want to blame the states next to IL. Lets blame the countries next to the US for the gun and crime problems in the US. Start with Mexico? That's your plan.

But that's not comparing like with like. Mexico is a different country.

There are no border checks between Illinois and neighbouring states.

Perhaps there should be.

Perhaps there will be once the second American civil war breaks out.

Yeah you wouldn't want those horrible Indiana Hoosier's, Wisconsin Cheese Heads or Iowa corn farmers and hog producers, from sneaking across the border and causing trouble in Chicago.  ;D The crocked politicians are afraid of the extra tough farmers will disrupt their control.

The point of Obama was just what I said, people blame Trump for what's going on now, because he's in power. That's the President. Why didn't Obama change things when he was President. I thought it was a simple enough question? Maybe because it's not the President who makes laws and can easily change things? Maybe? Not pot calling anything, just pointing out the contradiction. It's always somebody else's fault, never the Democrats.

In power the President is correcting what the previous did wrong, out of power they are blaming the current President. Crook and politician are synonyms in the US. Both parties, don't play innocent you liberals here. How's your record with politicians in jail, look to Michigan and IL for the most former governors.

muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists illegals
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat

Most generalization come from facts adulterated and expanded. Italians are mobsters, truth is, too many were in the past, but they had Jewish accountants. Most terrorists are Muslims, not most Muslims are terrorists. Most of the gangsters were Italians, most Italians were not. Most of the drug dealers are Black, not most African American's are drug dealers. Russians are drunks, but not the majority. Brits actually don't have bad teeth, it's a false stereotype. American's are generally overweight compared to the rest of the world. Gypsies were thieves and transients. German's are arrogant, not the French, but the French are snobs about their cuisine?  :)

Forum moderation should say, this whole thread is out of order and should be shut down for nothing more than a political shouting match with no end. Not one word has anything to do with Microstock.

« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2018, 11:19 »
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muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists illegals
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat

Most generalization come from facts adulterated and expanded. Italians are mobsters, truth is, too many were in the past, but they had Jewish accountants. Most terrorists are Muslims, not most Muslims are terrorists. Most of the gangsters were Italians, most Italians were not. Most of the drug dealers are Black, not most African American's are drug dealers. Russians are drunks, but not the majority. Brits actually don't have bad teeth, it's a false stereotype. American's are generally overweight compared to the rest of the world. Gypsies were thieves and transients. German's are arrogant, not the French, but the French are snobs about their cuisine?  :)


All good, except that "Most terrorists are Muslims" is not true for the United States.
In the USA, there were almost twice as many terrorist incidents by right-wing extremists as by Islamist extremists.
We can add the mass-shooter from the recent attack in Florida to this list of white American terrorists.

niktol

« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2018, 11:24 »
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but the French are snobs about their cuisine?  :)


and rightfully so

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #97 on: February 19, 2018, 11:25 »
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muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists illegals
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat

Most generalization come from facts adulterated and expanded. Italians are mobsters, truth is, too many were in the past, but they had Jewish accountants. Most terrorists are Muslims, not most Muslims are terrorists. Most of the gangsters were Italians, most Italians were not. Most of the drug dealers are Black, not most African American's are drug dealers. Russians are drunks, but not the majority. Brits actually don't have bad teeth, it's a false stereotype. American's are generally overweight compared to the rest of the world. Gypsies were thieves and transients. German's are arrogant, not the French, but the French are snobs about their cuisine?  :)


All good, except that "Most terrorists are Muslims" is not true for the United States.
In the USA, there were almost twice as many terrorist incidents by right-wing extremists as by Islamist extremists.
We can add the mass-shooter from the recent attack in Florida to this list of white American terrorists.


Right wing extremists?? you mean suicide bombers and all that lark, driving trucks or cars into masses of people??  who were the right-wingers doing this?

« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2018, 11:36 »
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muslims = terrorists
mexicans = rapists illegals
gypsies = thieves
russians = drunks
french = arrogants
british = bad teeth
germans = fascists
americans = fat

Most generalization come from facts adulterated and expanded. Italians are mobsters, truth is, too many were in the past, but they had Jewish accountants. Most terrorists are Muslims, not most Muslims are terrorists. Most of the gangsters were Italians, most Italians were not. Most of the drug dealers are Black, not most African American's are drug dealers. Russians are drunks, but not the majority. Brits actually don't have bad teeth, it's a false stereotype. American's are generally overweight compared to the rest of the world. Gypsies were thieves and transients. German's are arrogant, not the French, but the French are snobs about their cuisine?  :)


All good, except that "Most terrorists are Muslims" is not true for the United States.
In the USA, there were almost twice as many terrorist incidents by right-wing extremists as by Islamist extremists.
We can add the mass-shooter from the recent attack in Florida to this list of white American terrorists.


Right wing extremists?? you mean suicide bombers and all that lark, driving trucks or cars into masses of people??  who were the right-wingers doing this?

OK, I take that back, since I don't want to start debating about what and who are right wing extremists, left wing extremists or unaffiliated extremists.
Let me rephrase, to properly explain that "Most terrorists are Muslim" is false.

In the USA, there were almost twice as many terrorist incidents by non-Muslims as by Islamist extremists.

Data is widely available, for example here: https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

Decide for yourself if their definition of right wing extremists or left wing extremists is correct. The fact is that none of these two categories, forming a large majority, contains muslims.

Therefore, the statement "Most terrorists are Muslim" is false.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2018, 12:03 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2018, 12:07 »
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Aren't Muslims Right Wing extremists though?...most of their beliefs about society such as the role of women views on homosexuality, capital punishment etc look pretty right wing to me. They certainly aren't left wing libtards ;-).


 

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