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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Off Topic => Topic started by: KnowYourOnions on April 21, 2015, 15:57
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Google is making a major update to its mobile search algorithm that will change the order in which websites are ranked when users search for something from their phone.
Small businesses are generally seen at greater risk!
http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-business-owners-feel-about-google-mobilegeddon-2015-4?r=US#ixzz3XymmDDZY (http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-business-owners-feel-about-google-mobilegeddon-2015-4?r=US#ixzz3XymmDDZY)
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Symbiostock is responsive, so YAY !
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I guess Top Tier does have mob version of their sites.
Mid and Low Earners, I have no idea.
It will be interesting to see the effect on sales from this change.
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I hope most photo buyers aren't searching for images from their phones though...
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Here goes the test page...just type the website name. 8)
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/ (https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/)
- SS, VideoBlocks, iStock, Dreamstime, DepositPhotos, 500pix, Alamy are friendly
- Fotolia, 123RF, Pond5, BigStockPhoto are NOT
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Awesome
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I hope most photo buyers aren't searching for images from their phones though...
Agreed. I find it ridiculous that the industry is basing everything on a screen about 3x5.
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Times are changing...pay attention to the apps in this infographs.
http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-marketing/mobile-marketing-analytics/mobile-marketing-statistics/ (http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-marketing/mobile-marketing-analytics/mobile-marketing-statistics/)
and this one
https://www.textmagic.com/blog/mobile-user-stats-every-successful-marketer-should-know/ (https://www.textmagic.com/blog/mobile-user-stats-every-successful-marketer-should-know/)
:-)
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Times are changing...pay attention to the apps in this infographs.
[url]http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-marketing/mobile-marketing-analytics/mobile-marketing-statistics/[/url] ([url]http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-marketing/mobile-marketing-analytics/mobile-marketing-statistics/[/url])
and this one
[url]https://www.textmagic.com/blog/mobile-user-stats-every-successful-marketer-should-know/[/url] ([url]https://www.textmagic.com/blog/mobile-user-stats-every-successful-marketer-should-know/[/url])
:-)
It looks like lots of people look at Facebook, weather, news, video, and play games on mobile and even buy from i-tunes. I still doubt that microstock sales on mobile are a very big proportion. maybe someday when phones get to the size of a laptop screen, but none of those infographics convince me of that yet. I suppose the sites could tell us the real answer, but somehow I doubt they will. The fact that some of the sites have made their sites mobile friendly mean that they think it is important though (or else they bought the hype or think it is necessary to sell themselves as a technology company).
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Times are changing...pay attention to the apps in this infographs.
[url]http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-marketing/mobile-marketing-analytics/mobile-marketing-statistics/[/url] ([url]http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-marketing/mobile-marketing-analytics/mobile-marketing-statistics/[/url])
and this one
[url]https://www.textmagic.com/blog/mobile-user-stats-every-successful-marketer-should-know/[/url] ([url]https://www.textmagic.com/blog/mobile-user-stats-every-successful-marketer-should-know/[/url])
:-)
It looks like lots of people look at Facebook, weather, news, video, and play games on mobile and even buy from i-tunes. I still doubt that microstock sales on mobile are a very big proportion. maybe someday when phones get to the size of a laptop screen, but none of those infographics convince me of that yet. I suppose the sites could tell us the real answer, but somehow I doubt they will. The fact that some of the sites have made their sites mobile friendly mean that they think it is important though (or else they bought the hype or think it is necessary to sell themselves as a technology company).
I know...it would be super nice if sites would share stats on it.
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(...) I still doubt that microstock sales on mobile are a very big proportion.
The final sale may not be made on a mobile device, but it may happen that a lot of the research is made on it, resulting in the addition of possible candidates to lightboxes later reviewed and licensed on a desktop.
And this can be made even on the way to work or home if someone is using public transports, for example.
So, that may be the relevance of mobile devices in terms of microstock.
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i say it's ridicolous because it should be mobile browsers adapting to actual web pages designed for desktop and NOT viceversa !
pads and mobile phones are still a joke for browsing and pretty much anything apart games and a few other touch-centric apps .. good luck doing anything serous and productive on a phone, let alone reading a whole PDF book, and even making calls is cumbersome compared to a real telephone.
as if this wasn't enough Android is such a piece of sh-it now we need firewalls, ad-blockers and antivirus on our phones, we've come to this !
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You are categorically against anything new and/or established ;)
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While still puzzled why would anyone put disagree on SemmickPhoto web site being friendly post....
here are the stats on mobile expansion (attached)
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You are categorically against anything new and/or established ;)
yes, i was totally against smartphones and tablets from the start and i've yet to see a single reason to change idea on this subject, it's a textbook case of how marketing can exploit the dumbing down of mobile users.
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While still puzzled why would anyone put disagree on SemmickPhoto web site being friendly post....
here are the stats on mobile expansion (attached)
80% of the mobile users own a smartphone because nowadays there's nothing else even in the 80-100$ range ... i'm jumping boat too as i'll buy a cheap Nokia so i can develop some sh-it on the Win8/10 platform and it's just 100$ here or 200$ for a larger screen.
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mobile users have always been the marketing target because they are the ones who spend the most money needlessly and unknowingly. much in the same target group of bank telling machine users are do not even notice they are charged service fees if they do not use a cash dispenser that is not their own bank.
either that these users have parents paying their mobs and bank card or that most are just too dumb to manage their money, having been weaned on drinking coffee at starbucks etc
as one mother said to me, "my children would never drink at a mom and pops coffee shop, they would be too ashamed to been seen drinking anywhere else other than starbucks,etc"
they are not ashamed of being fools with their money being parted, only ashamed of not being identified in the crowd ie crowd of mob iphone notebook tin cans headphone users.
google favoring them is pretty obvious because they are the least money aware.
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i say it's ridicolous because it should be mobile browsers adapting to actual web pages designed for desktop and NOT viceversa !
pads and mobile phones are still a joke for browsing and pretty much anything apart games and a few other touch-centric apps .. good luck doing anything serous and productive on a phone, let alone reading a whole PDF book, and even making calls is cumbersome compared to a real telephone.
as if this wasn't enough Android is such a piece of sh-it now we need firewalls, ad-blockers and antivirus on our phones, we've come to this !
I agree. I read my email on my phone while I am out and about, only because I am out and about. If it can wait until I get back to my keyboard where I can type, I do. If I want to reply so the client knows I am paying attention, I text a short response. While I am waiting in line, I play solitaire or surf FB. I will never build a website or a 4 page brochure on my phone. In fact, I can't really even see doing it on my iPad. It just isn't efficient. I love them both, and I use them both constantly, but not for serious work.
But I do understand the statistics and I agree, largely based on the zillions of teens and hipsters who think life only exists on their mobile devices. :)
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they are not ashamed of being fools with their money being parted, only ashamed of not being identified in the crowd ie crowd of mob iphone notebook tin cans headphone users.
google favoring them is pretty obvious because they are the least money aware.
exactly, that's the living example of the herd menthality which is dominant especially among the youth and women in general.
people are shocked when they hear i'm still not on WhatsApp or Line or Tango or Twitter or whatever ... and i barely use FB if that matters.
i remember years ago parents worrying about giving mobile phones to their kids, now it's all gone, parents are actually encouraged to give phones to their kids as young as 4-5 yrs old with the excuse of "security" but we all know this is BS, it's because every kid now has a phone and they're scared to make their kid stand out of the crowd ... next we will be microchipped at birth and nobody will complain.
and by the way, how ridicolous are all these guys walking in the street with huge BEATS headphones on their neck ??? is it me being too old or what ?
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It just isn't efficient.
YES and that's THE point !
As a concept, technology exists first and foremost to make our life easier or at least more productive.
Smartphones instead are making everything more slow and more cumbersome, their only reason to exist is for portability and mobility, to be able to connect in the middle of nowhere, but it's a one-trick pony.
Moreover, the use and abuse of mobile messaging is damaged society as a whole, if we look at the young people they're now totally addicted and dependent on their phones for social interaction and this is a big downgrade compared to the pre-internet era when it was usual to meet face to face, but nobody will notice as the kids now are glued to their phones already when they're in primary school, they see face to face as something of the past century and it's gonna have terrible ripercussions in their life in my opinion.
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You guys need to step into the 21st century. Really. You can't keep hanging on to the past. If you ignore mobile technology you only will hurt yourself in the end.
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You guys need to step into the 21st century. Really. You can't keep hanging on to the past. If you ignore mobile technology you only will hurt yourself in the end.
I am not ignoring it at all. I use it where it makes the most sense, and what it is designed and intended for. A phone is a phone and will never replace a computer and keyboard. Sure, I can do some other things in a pinch. I just don't think life should center around a phone, at the expense of all other, more efficient devices.
I can watch a movie on my phone, but it makes more sense to watch it on my ipad. And if I really want to get the most out of it, I need to watch it on a 60" TV screen with surround sound. CAN I use my phone for everything, sure. SHOULD I use my phone for everything? No. :)
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exactly, that's the living example of the herd menthality which is dominant especially among the youth and women in general.
I fully agree. People have to learn to think for themselves. Get their own opinion. It is NOT cool to wear clothes of famous brands (made by kids in Bandladesh). It is NOT cool to listen to the same meaningless synthetic music as everybody else. It is NOT cool to hide a non-existing identity behind an iphone and a fancy downtown address. It is NOT cool to do something just because everybody else is doing it. And neither it is cool to be ALWAYS POSITIVE even when encountering BS, unfairness, injustice etc.....
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got a developer alert on that last week. small businesses are okay if they design their websites with something called "responsive design"
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You guys need to step into the 21st century. Really. You can't keep hanging on to the past. If you ignore mobile technology you only will hurt yourself in the end.
Mobile is just a way to access data thru wireless technology, i can do the same with a laptop and pretty happy about that ... i'm losing nothing sticking with a legacy phone since it does voice calls and SMS and that's all i need and that's what a phone should be all about.
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I can watch a movie on my phone, but it makes more sense to watch it on my ipad. And if I really want to get the most out of it, I need to watch it on a 60" TV screen with surround sound. CAN I use my phone for everything, sure. SHOULD I use my phone for everything? No. :)
yes, mobiles can do anything but it's still the worst way to do these tasks ... audio, video, email, chat, whatever, and even games are a lot better on a bigger screen.
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You guys need to step into the 21st century. Really. You can't keep hanging on to the past. If you ignore mobile technology you only will hurt yourself in the end.
Mobile is just a way to access data thru wireless technology, i can do the same with a laptop and pretty happy about that ... i'm losing nothing sticking with a legacy phone since it does voice calls and SMS and that's all i need and that's what a phone should be all about.
You are missing the point.
If you dont optimise your site, you will lose customers. Simple as that. I use my mobile phone to buy stuff online. If the site is not optimised, no purchase. I am using my phone to read stuff online. If its not optimised, I will read the competitor website who is optimised. You are thinking what YOU are doing. You need to think what your CUSTOMERS will do.
Anyway, there are lots of examples of big established companies who stuck their head in the sand and refused to accept changing times and technology and went bankrupt. During most of the 20th century Kodak held a dominant position in photographic film, and in 1976, had a 90% market share of photographic film sales in the United States. They didnt follow suit with digital photography and went bust in 2014.
I dont care what you and Cathy do on your desktop, I do all my editing on a desktop as well, but you cant deny mobile technology. Embrase it. I never understood why people categorically refuse to accept changing technology. I guess it is a sort of stubbornness or maybe just a way of trying to be different then others, just to be different for the sake of it.
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And neither it is cool to be ALWAYS POSITIVE even when encountering BS, unfairness, injustice etc.....
I'm surprised they're still taking seriously all this "think positive" rubbish propaganda that is going on since decades.
There are so many things going totally negative in the West i wouldn't know where to start, and i consider myself a positive guy, go figure.
The "millennials" are a lost generation, i wouldn't like to be born now and facing a future with no hope like they do now, that's maybe why they're so addicted to games and social networks as a way to escape reality.
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Hobostocker, I like you, I love your direct way of putting things, I really do, but you never came across as a positive character ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3QfJ6KHq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3QfJ6KHq0)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3QfJ6KHq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3QfJ6KHq0)
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LMAO !
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NGV4YB9UWY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NGV4YB9UWY)
:o ??? :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NGV4YB9UWY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NGV4YB9UWY)
:o ??? :D
HA HA HA....lol
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You guys need to step into the 21st century. Really. You can't keep hanging on to the past. If you ignore mobile technology you only will hurt yourself in the end.
Seriously! I was beginning to wonder if I had logged on to an AARP or pensioners forum!
Next we'll be hearing what a character builder it was walking 10 miles to school in the snow. ::)
The world moves on whether any of us likes it or not. Fine if you don't embrace new tech, but in a tech business, which we are in, you better hope your agents/distributors are optimized for new technology.
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You guys need to step into the 21st century. Really. You can't keep hanging on to the past. If you ignore mobile technology you only will hurt yourself in the end.
Seriously! I was beginning to wonder if I had logged on to an AARP or pensioners forum!
Spot on...well said....lol!
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I guess Top Tier does have mob version of their sites.
Mid and Low Earners, I have no idea.
It will be interesting to see the effect on sales from this change.
Checked a few low earner sites. Few of them are mobile responsive too.
Why not FT ? :o
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I guess Top Tier does have mob version of their sites.
Mid and Low Earners, I have no idea.
It will be interesting to see the effect on sales from this change.
Checked a few low earner sites. Few of them are mobile responsive too.
Why not FT ? :o
I am puzzled too about FT.
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=www.fotolia.com (https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/mobile-friendly/?url=www.fotolia.com)
Page appears not mobile-friendly
- Text too small to read
- Links too close together
- Mobile viewport not set
- Content wider than screen
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Maybe they aren't mobile friendly because they have done research and there aren't enough customers BUYING with a mobile device. ;)
Seriously! I was beginning to wonder if I had logged on to an AARP or pensioners forum!
LOL, too funny! When all else fails, put other people down. ;)
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Maybe they aren't mobile friendly because they have done research and there aren't enough customers BUYING with a mobile device. ;)
It's not about that. Ranking in google search is at risk and therefore sales too!
"The algorithm will start favoring mobile-friendly websites — ones with large text, easy-to-click links, and that resize to fit whatever screen they're viewed on — and ranking them higher in search. Websites that aren't mobile-friendly will get demoted.
This change could be apocalyptic for millions of websites, which could suddenly find that they've lost their coveted ranking."
Time will tell...
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so does it drop site ranking on search from a large screen, or only in the search from a small screen (which makes sense, since you might not want to see a non-mobile friendly page on your mobile device)?
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The day I buy a phone that cost twice the price of a laptop and doesn't even fit in my pocket, shoot me.
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"Google first announced its impending changes back in February, giving webmasters nearly two months to make the changes necessary to keep their sites from disappearing from mobile search results, as well as a way to test whether their sites are mobile-friendly yet (and see why not, if they aren't).
But the update is still expected to cause a major ranking shake-up. "
Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-business-owners-feel-about-google-mobilegeddon-2015-4?r=US#ixzz3YANsFa6W (http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-business-owners-feel-about-google-mobilegeddon-2015-4?r=US#ixzz3YANsFa6W)
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there is nothing wrong with keeping in the old school. many things are absolutely garbage these days.. from air guitars, to anne hathaway miming to miley cyrus , to trying to work with a mobile when a desktop would do much more at much less cost etc
just because jeff beck still play a stratocaster or other guitarist still a les paul does not mean they have not kept up with the new world. many new kids still swear by humbuckers even though they endorse the new ibanez guitars etc
mobile issue is the same . it is indeed the herd mentality, of mindless crowd feeling much better following the herd even if they are all headed for a cliff.
cheer them on , as the only people laughing to the bank are the producers of these gadgets.
ask any musician where they are keeping their tons of "new" gadgets and synthesizer,etc
and why they are still playing that old battered gibson or martin or fender.
it's the same in camera stores, where we still carry the film mamiya, hasselblad, bronica, even pentax k1000 not because we like to have a musuem, but photographers still buy them . even the new students .
but we do assign the larger portion of the store to bells and whistles for those who like the newest gadgets and trade in their last year's nik and can for the next new thing every time something comes up. no complaints either, we get paid .
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Okay, I am confused. Are we talking about what new technologies we personally do or don't embrace? Or are we talking about what technologies our agents should be prepared to sell through. Cuz these are two very different issues.
I can b*tch all day about the frustrations of smartphones, millenials, facebook, etc. Just like the film guys b*tched about digital, and the trad guys b*tched about micro. But the bottom line is, it's happening whether you like it or not, and you should expect your distributors that take up to 85% of the earnings of your hard work to get their a.sses in gear and upgrade their sites to accomodate the way people will search for images 5 years from now, not 5 years ago.
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The way I read the e-mail I got regarding my original site built in 2009 was that ONLY mobile searches would be affected by the downgrade. But I am not confident in this enough to bank on it. And yes people do buy from their phones because I get e-mails from customers who can't figure out how to get their images on their phone. It doesn't matter if I prefer to use a computer, there are a lot of people who do use their phones/pads and I really don't want to lose those customers because I refuse to adapt. FWIW those people are usually the end user who find the image via a google search, purchase it, and then send it to their printer.
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The day I buy a phone that cost twice the price of a laptop and doesn't even fit in my pocket, shoot me.
this is just ignorance. My phone cost me 100 euro and fits my pocket. It also happens to be a Samsung S5. The latest flagship smartphone of Samsung.
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The way I read the e-mail I got regarding my original site built in 2009 was that ONLY mobile searches would be affected by the downgrade. But I am not confident in this enough to bank on it.
The key here is that the same search term should produce different results on different devices. Mobile users may want to navigate to a mobile version of a website - or they may be after accessing information in an accessible way. Lets say I search for "xxx new film" - on a mobile chances are I will want to see where is is on - which local cinema - this is because I am "on the go". If I search on a computer - then an article on Rotten Tomatoes about it (film review site) might be returned as a search along with the official film site and the Wikipedia entry etc.
For some - not all - searches mobile is designed to return very specific results...
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The world moves on whether any of us likes it or not. Fine if you don't embrace new tech, but in a tech business, which we are in, you better hope your agents/distributors are optimized for new technology.
ok course we must accept this new technology but you will agree with me that as a technology it's a big downgrade compared to using a laptop or a netbook, that's the point, it only makes sense for a small bunch of applications, i heard rants and raves about touch screens and mobile apps since the early 90s and guess what most of what was envisioned never materialized because the technology is not good enough to beat desktops and laptops and never will.
and nobody would think about using tablets if there were slim foldable laptops at similar prices and weight, the best "ultrabook" i've tried were all priced more than 1000$, maybe things will change one day.
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Hobostocker, I like you, I love your direct way of putting things, I really do, but you never came across as a positive character ;)
but don't blame me, i'll be very very positive if we talk about Ultrabooks or Win 10.
my problem with smartphone is its undeniable negative social impact on society as a whole, the first PDAs were originally designed for useful things actually, like email and business apps, not for random chatting etc., anyone remember the prehistoric Apple Darwin, the Palm Pilot, the Psion .. ? they had a reason to exist unlike actual smartphones.
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The world moves on whether any of us likes it or not. Fine if you don't embrace new tech, but in a tech business, which we are in, you better hope your agents/distributors are optimized for new technology.
ok course we must accept this new technology but you will agree with me that as a technology it's a big downgrade compared to using a laptop or a netbook, that's the point,
How is a mobile technology a downgrade from a non mobile product? Its adding extra uses and convenience to an already existing product. I never saw people walking around with a laptop and sending a fax. It made computers conveniently portable.
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Hobostocker, I like you, I love your direct way of putting things, I really do, but you never came across as a positive character ;)
but don't blame me, i'll be very very positive if we talk about Ultrabooks or Win 10.
my problem with smartphone is its undeniable negative social impact on society as a whole, they were originally designed for useful things actually, like email and business apps, not for random chatting etc.
Mobile phones always had the possbiltly to send texts, now we use Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. I see no issue with that. It made my life easier. I am talking to a lot more people, from a lot farther away, at no extra cost. And I can send them a photo of me smiling. Friends and family love it.
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[tangential] A curse on Google. I don't buy from my phone, my desktop is far more convenient and easy.
But now I'm trying to source particular plants to buy, and even if I put 'UK' 'species', I'm getting nurseries in the US, Canada and Australia before I'm getting UK nurseries. How is that remotely sensible?
Previously, I'd get almost all UK sources on at least the first page of returns.
NB I can only use Google.co.uk, which makes it even more stupid. I don't even know how to hack into Google.com.
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How is a mobile technology a downgrade from a non mobile product? Its adding extra uses and convenience to an already existing product. I never saw people walking around with a laptop and sending a fax. It made computers conveniently portable.
Mobile is a downgrade compared to a laptop in ANY way, hardware and software, especially for business users who need to run their custom corporate apps and need to write and interact a lot on Excel or Outlook, good luck doing it on an iPhone or a tablet !
People sending fax with a laptop ? a LOT .. especially years ago and they were using a 33.6k modem in their hotel or the early GSM cards, slow as a dog but they had no other option and now it's the same but using 3G/4G or wi-fi.
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Mobile phones always had the possbiltly to send texts, now we use Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. I see no issue with that. It made my life easier. I am talking to a lot more people, from a lot farther away, at no extra cost. And I can send them a photo of me smiling. Friends and family love it.
sure it's OK for random users but for power users it's quite another story.
browsing, writing, reading, everything is so limited on a small touch screen, i just can't work on that and i was on a desktop i would need 2 or 3 monitors, go figure.
friends and family love it for the portability and the "always-on" factor, i understand, but good luck doing anything productive like using Excel or browsing with 30-40 web pages open, i tried and tried, and went crazy, even on tablets it's so bad.
PDA were a bad idea already when Apple launched the Darwin and i if you think i'm a "luddist" i had even one of the early Palm Pilots, quickly sold to a colleague of mine and never looked back.
let's face it, mobiles are more a fashion item than a productive tool nowadays.
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Seems like possibly FAA has fallen prey to the Google changes. It used to be that FAA dominated a lot of searches, and I could usually find my images on the top line, certainly the top two. Now both iS and my own ancient, moribund, totally tables-based site from the beginning of the century show images highly and the pics on FAA are nowhere to be seen, even after considerable scrolling.
IMHO, it's far more likely that someone looking to buy art will start from Google, than someone wanting to legitimately purchase stock images.
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Hobo I am talking about the consumers not the creators / sellers. You seem to keep missing my point. But it's OK. I as agree mobile devices are chit for our work flow. I am purely looking from a customer perspective. That's what this thread ua about.