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« on: January 14, 2010, 21:39 »
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2010, 21:48 »
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Just gave to the Red Cross.  Kept forgetting earlier.  Thanks for the reminder.

donding

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 21:55 »
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you can also donate through your cell phone by texting "HAITI" 90999 and it will charge your donation to your cell phone in the amount of $10.00 to the red cross.
It's on their website. They've raised alot of money this way

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 21:58 »
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Lets just hope they can get the supplies they need there in time...There has been alot of difficulty in doing this.

Keep them all in your prayers...

digiology

« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 22:42 »
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thanks for the reminder. just donated to Mdecins san Frontires/Doctors Without Borders (MSF).

 http://www.msf.org/

m@m

« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2010, 22:55 »
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I donated to the American Red Cross yesterday, also gave a little extra today at my local Publix Supermarket while doing the groceries, poor people, they had so little to begin with and they've suffer so much in this past few years with hurricanes, floods and now this, very heart breaking.

I will keep them in my prayers.

« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2010, 23:21 »
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I give a regular monthly donation to MSF, who do a great job worldwide. The emailed requesting additional support for Haiti - currently flying in a portable hospital with surgeon, anaesthetist and theater nurse.

« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 01:21 »
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For us canadians, you can text haiti to 45678 for a 5.00 donation to the Salvation Army for Haiti relief.  Works for both Bell and Rogers networks and I bleieve Telus is coming on board tomorrow.  Check out www.salvationarmy.ca

« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 03:07 »
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From The Big Picture
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/01/haiti_48_hours_later.html

thanks for starting the thread madelaide.

« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 04:24 »
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Does anybody know if there is a way of donating using paypal to any of these organizations as I can't seem to find it.



« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 10:10 »
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Good to find one accepting PP, I only saw CC yesterday.

« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 12:30 »
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Nice to see that everyone is donating.  I texted my donation to the Red Cross.  Last I checked over 7 million had been donated via text, lets hope it is only a start.

« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 10:58 »
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Also, if you like PC games (I love Popcap's):

"Saturday Only: 100% of PopCap.com sales to help Haiti!?"

« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 17:22 »
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It's absurd that they are not receiving proper priority by the US authorities running the airport. Some of the supply planes from Red Cross and MSF were denied to land. MSF has been forced to perform amputations because wound became infected without antibiotics, and they had to use common saws because this is what they were able to get in local stores.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=4176&cat=press-release
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/us-accused-aid-effort-haiti
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020908/US-accused-of-occupying-Haiti-as-troops-flood-in.html
This is humanitarian help, not military occupation!


« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 18:36 »
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It's absurd that they are not receiving proper priority by the US authorities running the airport. Some of the supply planes from Red Cross and MSF were denied to land. MSF has been forced to perform amputations because wound became infected without antibiotics, and they had to use common saws because this is what they were able to get in local stores.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=4176&cat=press-release
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/us-accused-aid-effort-haiti
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020908/US-accused-of-occupying-Haiti-as-troops-flood-in.html
This is humanitarian help, not military occupation!


The U.S. is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

President Obama has committed a MINIMUM of $100 million to Haiti.  And that doesn't include all of the charitable donations that will be given in addition to tax payer money.

The U.S. has sent more ships, more soldiers, more supplies, more food, and more medicine than every other country COMBINED.  All of this aid was sent DESPITE the fact that the U.S. is currently in a horrible recession and millions of people are without work.

Saudi Arabia, one of the richest nations in the world, has given absolutely nothing.  Qatar, the country with the highest GDP in the world, has given absolutely nothing.  Many other oil rich OPEC nations have given absolutely nothing (or next to nothing).

China, one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a population 4.4 times that of the U.S., has given $4.4 million.  India, with a population 3.75 times that of the U.S. has given $1 million.

And Brazil (also one of the fastest growing economies in the world) has donated less than $500 thousand.

The U.S. is consistently the most generous nation in the entire world.

In 2006, the U.S. gave $295 BILLION in charitable contributions (see http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-25-charitable_N.htm).

If you look at the list of the most charitable countries (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_charitable_countries), you won't find one Middle Eastern nation among the list.  And you will only find one country from Asia (Japan) and one country from South America (Portugal).

In addition, the Port-au-Prince airport is not a large airport (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aerial_view_of_PAP_2010-01-16_2.JPG). There are hundreds of flights trying to arrive to help with the situation, but the ramp can only handle 12 large aircraft at once.  The airport was damaged during the earthquake and the control tower suffered extensive damage.

So why don't you cut the U.S. a little slack, and take a long hard look in the mirror before you start to complain about the U.S.

Matthew 7:1-5
1 Judge not, that you be not judged.  2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; band with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.  3 And why do you look at the speck in your brothers eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?  4 Or how can you say to your brother, Let me remove the speck from your eye; and look, a plank is in your own eye?  5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye.

« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2010, 18:55 »
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And for those of you that believe that the U.S. is the Evil Empire, here is an article that will give you some more ammunition for your cause:

Venezuela State TV Station Says U.S. Hit Haiti With 'Earthquake Weapon':
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583588,00.html

The United States apparently possesses an "earthquake weapon" that set off the catastrophic quake in Haiti and killed 200,000 innocents. Don't believe it's true? Just ask Hugo Chavez.

Citing an alleged report from Russia's Northern Fleet, the Venezuelan strongman's state mouthpiece ViVe TV shot out a press release saying the 7.0 magnitude Haiti quake was caused by a U.S. test of an experimental shockwave system that can also create "weather anomalies to cause floods, droughts and hurricanes."

The station's Web site added that the U.S. government's HAARP program, an atmospheric research facility in Alaska (and frequent subject of conspiracy theories), was also to blame for a Jan. 9 quake in Eureka, Calif., and may have been behind the 7.8-magnitude quake in China that killed nearly 90,000 people in 2008.

What's more, the site says, the cataclysmic ruin in Haiti was only a test run for much bigger game: the coming showdown with Iran.

The ultimate goal of the test attack in Haiti, the report reads, is the United States' "planned destruction of Iran through a series of earthquakes designed to topple the current Islamic regime."

The story has since been taken down from the Venezuelan Web site, but a Google cache of the charges remains intact.

Click here to see the report (Spanish) | Click here to see the report (English)

The publication of the story came just days after Chavez himself accused the U.S. of using the earthquake as an excuse to "invade and militarily occupy Haiti," a nation so poor that its entire economy is based on foreign aid particularly from the U.S.

"The empire (the U.S.) is taking Haiti over the bodies and tears of its people," he said at a press conference.

"I read that 3,000 soldiers are arriving, Marines armed as if they were going to war. They are occupying Haiti undercover."

By week's end, some 16,000 U.S. troops are expected to be providing humanitarian assistance in Haiti, where they have taken control of the only working airport and are coordinating relief efforts on the ground.


« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 19:41 »
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Stockmaniac,

I am not saying USA is evil or is not helping. However, priorities are clearly not well set and it has been said by the press (AP among others) that the priority for them has been to evacuate US citizens and their families. 

Your information about Brazilian help is wrong, not to mention that numbers spoken by governors often don't translate in real contribution (as in many other such catastrophies before).  Besides our local sources, this an international source that says US$15million, not US$500k.  Our state laboratory is sending 40 tons of medicines, mainly antibiotics, painkillers and permanent-use drugs for diabetics and high-pressure.  Our army has been in Haiti since 2004 leading the UN force, 18 of them died in the quake.  The government is requesting authorization of the congress to increase the number of militaries in Haiti, plus a budget of roughly US$100million for donations, building emergency medical units and other local actions.  We've been having our share of local tragedies too, with devastating floods and landslides.  Nothing to compare with Haitian suffering, but still a large number of deaths and displaced people, yet the money spent in Haiti is much more than here, what is even raising cristicism. 

We agree Hugh Chavez is an idiot, and he ha sput his own country in crisis.  He hates USA, yet he doesn't stop selling oil to them, nor does USA stop buying oil from one of the most prominent friend of the "exis of evil" countries.  Go figure.  In the meantime, Chavez also mines any concrete attempts to build a real South American economical alliance.  How convenient.



« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 20:04 »
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The real issue is the lack of infrastructure in Haiti. Despite having a population of 10M they have only one airport and that airport has only one runway. That means that one aircraft can land at a time which then has to be unloaded and take off, a process that usually takes about 90 mins, before the next aircraft can land __ about 18 landings per day is the capacity.

At least the US, as well as giving by far the most in money and in manpower, are taking charge of the situation because nobody else is in a position to do so. They've also anchored an aircraft carrier off Haiti too which can act as a second runway at least for some military aircraft.

ap

« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2010, 21:51 »
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The real issue is the lack of infrastructure in Haiti. Despite having a population of 10M they have only one airport and that airport has only one runway. That means that one aircraft can land at a time which then has to be unloaded and take off, a process that usually takes about 90 mins, before the next aircraft can land __ about 18 landings per day is the capacity.


that's really interesting. at least, you've done your research.  :)

another good organization to contribute to is Partners in Health  http://www.pih.org. i read somewhere that they're one of the few non-profits that have specific expertise with helping haiti in the past 20 years and also have an association with harvard u in terms of research.

if you can't donate dineros, you can offer your photos as prints with this flicker benefit auction for haiti. http://www.flickr.com/groups/charityprintauctions/
« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 21:53 by ap »

Microbius

« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2010, 12:59 »
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Stockmaniac,

I am not saying USA is evil or is not helping. However, priorities are clearly not well set and it has been said by the press (AP among others) that the priority for them has been to evacuate US citizens and their families. 


I have to agree with Stockmaniac, America has been doing an incredible amount for the people of Haiti, they couldn't realistically do more!
Of course one of their priorities is to get their own citizens out though, if I was there I would certainly hope my government would prioritise my welfare too!

« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2010, 21:25 »
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America has been doing an incredible amount for the people of Haiti, they couldn't realistically do more!

I agree. After all, Brazil is America too.   ;D

Of course one of their priorities is to get their own citizens out though, if I was there I would certainly hope my government would prioritise my welfare too!

Then it's a rescue mission, not a humanitarian one?  Priority should be saving lifes at risk.  The USA doesn't own the Haitian airport, it's controlling it as part of an international joint effort.

Well, I think we deviated a lot from the original thread, which is to help people in Haiti in this devastating event - I hope everyone did, and if not the links are there to help - so I am not going to discuss this political issue any further.

« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2010, 09:56 »
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Of course one of their priorities is to get their own citizens out though, if I was there I would certainly hope my government would prioritise my welfare too!

Then it's a rescue mission, not a humanitarian one?  Priority should be saving lifes at risk.  The USA doesn't own the Haitian airport, it's controlling it as part of an international joint effort.

Madelaide:

For some reason, you seem to think that the U.S. is making a choice between humanitarian aid and removing U.S. (and other countries) citizens.  Let me assure you that the U.S. is doing both at the same time.

The planes that are coming into the country filled with aid are the same planes that are taking people out of the country.  Once the cargo is removed from a plane, there is plenty of room for people.  They don't necessarily need to bring in different planes to remove people.

« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2010, 10:01 »
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The real issue is the lack of infrastructure in Haiti. Despite having a population of 10M they have only one airport and that airport has only one runway. That means that one aircraft can land at a time which then has to be unloaded and take off, a process that usually takes about 90 mins, before the next aircraft can land __ about 18 landings per day is the capacity.


While I agree with your assessment, according to one of the Situation Reports (see http://www.logcluster.org/ops/hti10a/situation-report-20-january-2010), there were about 136 landings on 01/20 at the Port-au-Prince airport.  And according to Wikipedia (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toussaint_Louverture_International_Airport), there were about 180 landings on 01/18.
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