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Title: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Photodune Reject on February 25, 2017, 16:02
Seasoned Veteran Signs:
1. Don't take Rejections personally and just say whatever
2. Don't look at Views only Downloads and the amount per sale
3. Laugh at all the negative comments on this site
4. Recognize a Money shot before you even start shooting
5. Only accounts for money that you have received in your bank account
6. Laugh at returns by customers even if it is 6 months later
7. Know how to not ruin your vacation with the family by shooting stock photos
8. Listening to classic rock and drinking beer while processing your images
9. Not be exclusive to anyone except your significant other
10. Knowing editor schedules thus uploading when they aren't there
11. Not sharing your portfolios to anyone

I am sure I've missed a few on my list but you get the drift mate...
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Shelma1 on February 25, 2017, 16:35
Another thread complaining about complaints?
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: alno on February 25, 2017, 16:40
0. Don't visit this or similar forum at all.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Chichikov on February 26, 2017, 02:46
"How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?"

When you decide that it is time to move on to something else…
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 26, 2017, 02:55
You don't spend anytime looking at the SS world map or even know if it is working or not.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Pauws99 on February 26, 2017, 03:24
12 considers anyone coming into the industry should be ranked lower than them in search engines
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: cascoly on February 26, 2017, 15:41
8. Listening to classic rock and drinking beer while processing your images
 

bach & lagavullin also work
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: angelawaye on February 27, 2017, 17:48
Love these!
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: StanRohrer on February 27, 2017, 17:56
8. Listening to classic rock and drinking beer while processing your images
 

bach & lagavullin also work

Singing the Blues and drinking a Dr Pepper.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on February 27, 2017, 20:35
"7. Know how to not ruin your vacation with the family by shooting stock photos "

Lol.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: w7lwi on February 27, 2017, 21:36
For #8, I prefer soft music and red wine.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: PixelBytes on February 28, 2017, 00:26
You know you are a true pro in this business when you no longer defend the abuse by certain agencies because it affects your living, not your hobby.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Pauws99 on February 28, 2017, 02:24
You know you are a true pro in this business when you no longer defend the abuse by certain agencies because it affects your living, not your hobby.
But never the less carry on uploading to them
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 28, 2017, 03:27
It is a good list as long as you take vet to mean you have been doing it a long time, not necessarily that you ever turned into a serious income stream or do it full time.

Fore example:

1. Don't take Rejections personally and just say whatever

A long time amateur doing this for fun should take this attitude because it's too much stress to worry, a pro would try to understand what they are doing wrong so they can improve to the point where they aren't getting rejections.

3. Laugh at all the negative comments on this site

An amateur or hobbyist should again be laughing because it there's no point getting stressed over something you do for fun. A pro should laugh at a lot of them by people with very small datasets re. conspiracy theories etc. but take very seriously major changes in Terms that will upend your income stream.

6. Laugh at returns by customers even if it is 6 months later

A pro doesn't even think about returns as they are so rare.

10. Knowing editor schedules thus uploading when they aren't there

Don't know any pro that does this or even thinks about it. There are way too many editors at the big sites to have any way of knowing. I would put this on list of conspiracy-type thinking see 3.

Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Pauws99 on February 28, 2017, 03:34
It is a good list as long as you take vet to mean you have been doing it a long time, not necessarily that you ever turned into a serious income stream or do it full time.

Fore example:

1. Don't take Rejections personally and just say whatever

A long time amateur doing this for fun should take this attitude because it's too much stress to worry, a pro would try to understand what they are doing wrong so they can improve to the point where they aren't getting rejections.

3. Laugh at all the negative comments on this site

An amateur or hobbyist should again be laughing because it there's no point getting stressed over something you do for fun. A pro should laugh at a lot of them by people with very small datasets re. conspiracy theories etc. but take very seriously major changes in Terms that will upend your income stream.

6. Laugh at returns by customers even if it is 6 months later

A pro doesn't even think about returns as they are so rare.

10. Knowing editor schedules thus uploading when they aren't there

Don't know any pro that does this or even thinks about it. There are way too many editors at the big sites to have any way of knowing. I would put this on list of conspiracy-type thinking see 3.
on 1 yes don't take it as a personal insult but as a "hobbyist" I take them as a learning opportunity and it the past it helped me improved my technical quality greatly. Have to say though that now the quality of inspection is no longer as rigorous or consistent. Btw most of the conspiracy theories seem to come from people who claim big incomes.......
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 28, 2017, 05:17
It is a good list as long as you take vet to mean you have been doing it a long time, not necessarily that you ever turned into a serious income stream or do it full time.

Fore example:

1. Don't take Rejections personally and just say whatever

A long time amateur doing this for fun should take this attitude because it's too much stress to worry, a pro would try to understand what they are doing wrong so they can improve to the point where they aren't getting rejections.

3. Laugh at all the negative comments on this site

An amateur or hobbyist should again be laughing because it there's no point getting stressed over something you do for fun. A pro should laugh at a lot of them by people with very small datasets re. conspiracy theories etc. but take very seriously major changes in Terms that will upend your income stream.

6. Laugh at returns by customers even if it is 6 months later

A pro doesn't even think about returns as they are so rare.

10. Knowing editor schedules thus uploading when they aren't there

Don't know any pro that does this or even thinks about it. There are way too many editors at the big sites to have any way of knowing. I would put this on list of conspiracy-type thinking see 3.
on 1 yes don't take it as a personal insult but as a "hobbyist" I take them as a learning opportunity and it the past it helped me improved my technical quality greatly. Have to say though that now the quality of inspection is no longer as rigorous or consistent. Btw most of the conspiracy theories seem to come from people who claim big incomes.......

Very good point re. 1. if you enjoy photography you can still take a rejection as an opportunity to learn. Although a lot of the rejection reasons in micro are/were ones that wouldn't necessarily help me improve my non micro work beyond a certain point.

I haven't noticed that about conspiracy theories. I thought it was mainly the opposite. I guess it depends what you think is a conspiracy theory. The things actually worth complaining about IMHO tend to be very concrete, like a change in contract terms allowing the sale of our work for 2c return for example.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Pauws99 on February 28, 2017, 05:50
It is a good list as long as you take vet to mean you have been doing it a long time, not necessarily that you ever turned into a serious income stream or do it full time.

Fore example:

1. Don't take Rejections personally and just say whatever

A long time amateur doing this for fun should take this attitude because it's too much stress to worry, a pro would try to understand what they are doing wrong so they can improve to the point where they aren't getting rejections.

3. Laugh at all the negative comments on this site

An amateur or hobbyist should again be laughing because it there's no point getting stressed over something you do for fun. A pro should laugh at a lot of them by people with very small datasets re. conspiracy theories etc. but take very seriously major changes in Terms that will upend your income stream.

6. Laugh at returns by customers even if it is 6 months later

A pro doesn't even think about returns as they are so rare.

10. Knowing editor schedules thus uploading when they aren't there

Don't know any pro that does this or even thinks about it. There are way too many editors at the big sites to have any way of knowing. I would put this on list of conspiracy-type thinking see 3.
on 1 yes don't take it as a personal insult but as a "hobbyist" I take them as a learning opportunity and it the past it helped me improved my technical quality greatly. Have to say though that now the quality of inspection is no longer as rigorous or consistent. Btw most of the conspiracy theories seem to come from people who claim big incomes.......

Very good point re. 1. if you enjoy photography you can still take a rejection as an opportunity to learn. Although a lot of the rejection reasons in micro are/were ones that wouldn't necessarily help me improve my non micro work beyond a certain point.

I haven't noticed that about conspiracy theories. I thought it was mainly the opposite. I guess it depends what you think is a conspiracy theory. The things actually worth complaining about IMHO tend to be very concrete, like a change in contract terms allowing the sale of our work for 2c return for example.
Remember Gylenns? and various other people who mysteriously disappear? Can't say I've looked too closely so could easily be wrong
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 28, 2017, 06:13
Remember Gylenns? and various other people who mysteriously disappear? Can't say I've looked too closely so could easily be wrong
I genuinely don't, I tried doing a search for his posts but didn't come up with anything. Did he keep spouting theories? Were you thinking he works for one of the agencies?
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Pauws99 on February 28, 2017, 06:54
Remember Gylenns? and various other people who mysteriously disappear? Can't say I've looked too closely so could easily be wrong
I genuinely don't, I tried doing a search for his posts but didn't come up with anything. Did he keep spouting theories? Were you thinking he works for one of the agencies?
Gyllens sorry wrong spelling quite amusing "YadaYadaYada!     thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be!  :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.

Sure I will probably lose out the first couple of years considering I have close to a million downloads at SS but even so I am rid of this constant paranoid uploading every five minutes followed by their hysteric search-changes.
Secondly in spite of all their facts and figures I seriously dont believe SS will last during 2017. Its obvious there are other forces at play such as internal/external politics problems and frictions and these things are enough to ground the biggest of corporations no matter how big a turnover."
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 28, 2017, 08:01
Remember Gylenns? and various other people who mysteriously disappear? Can't say I've looked too closely so could easily be wrong
I genuinely don't, I tried doing a search for his posts but didn't come up with anything. Did he keep spouting theories? Were you thinking he works for one of the agencies?
Gyllens sorry wrong spelling quite amusing "YadaYadaYada!     thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be!  :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.

Sure I will probably lose out the first couple of years considering I have close to a million downloads at SS but even so I am rid of this constant paranoid uploading every five minutes followed by their hysteric search-changes.
Secondly in spite of all their facts and figures I seriously dont believe SS will last during 2017. Its obvious there are other forces at play such as internal/external politics problems and frictions and these things are enough to ground the biggest of corporations no matter how big a turnover."
Thanks for that. It explains why I couldn't find his/her posts. Sounds like they are a huge contributor if they had 1000000 dls on SS alone.
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Pauws99 on February 28, 2017, 08:20
Remember Gylenns? and various other people who mysteriously disappear? Can't say I've looked too closely so could easily be wrong
I genuinely don't, I tried doing a search for his posts but didn't come up with anything. Did he keep spouting theories? Were you thinking he works for one of the agencies?
Gyllens sorry wrong spelling quite amusing "YadaYadaYada!     thanks but my type of photography is as FAR away from nature as can be!  :) I do mostly conceptual/studio photography sometimes involving models and lots of real doctors, nurses, lawyers, dentists, you know like real people at work and so on. Thanks anyway.

Sure I will probably lose out the first couple of years considering I have close to a million downloads at SS but even so I am rid of this constant paranoid uploading every five minutes followed by their hysteric search-changes.
Secondly in spite of all their facts and figures I seriously dont believe SS will last during 2017. Its obvious there are other forces at play such as internal/external politics problems and frictions and these things are enough to ground the biggest of corporations no matter how big a turnover."
Thanks for that. It explains why I couldn't find his/her posts. Sounds like they are a huge contributor if they had 1000000 dls on SS alone.
It does but things are not always what they seem.......
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 28, 2017, 14:40
I'm super confused by this. If you can't post openly do you want to pm me what's going on? Were they not what they appear? A duplicate account or working for one of the agencies or something?
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Sammy the Cat on February 28, 2017, 16:07
You are a seasoned pro once the number of agencies you no longer upload to or have terminated is more than the ones you still upload too
Title: Re: How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?
Post by: Anna.kupelian on April 14, 2017, 11:49
"How do you know when you become a seasoned veteran in this business?"
When you have spend  years of your life in it and don't know what to do with your life any more...