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Microbius

« Reply #100 on: March 11, 2012, 07:40 »
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I did actually listen the interview in the end. Could I recommend people read this for some balance, rather than listening to some nut job, conspiracy theorist rapper that seems very ill informed about world politics.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/invisible-childrens-stop-kony-campaign/2012/03/07/gIQA7B31wR_blog.html
and this:
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/


wut

« Reply #101 on: March 11, 2012, 09:41 »
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Why do you need to balance it even further? I posted that interview to balance the anti-Kony promo. You're just putting it out of balance again ;D (2:1)

Microbius

« Reply #102 on: March 11, 2012, 11:31 »
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 :D

Noodles

« Reply #103 on: March 11, 2012, 15:38 »
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I don't drive, so I expect I'll be wrong here...  :D

... but aren't we supposed to be moving toward electric cars? 


who killed the electric car.... who do you think :(    Solar panels are becoming cheaper all the time. Hope to have these installed next year.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nsJAlrYjGz8[/youtube]

lagereek

« Reply #104 on: March 12, 2012, 01:49 »
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The problem is: all this rubbish, electric cars, biofuel, ecco friendly products, etc, etc, is that its paved the way for thousands of companies who are nothing but con-artists, charging three times the price for everything, just pop down to your local health-product store and see their prices for useless roots and so called health products.
Certain politicians are leading us to believe that the car, is resposible for just about everything, so they raise taxes for just about everything concerning cars. In Europe we drive on 95 and 98, octane which is so clean it cant be any cleaner. Its all BS, form a new type of cons. Thats all.
Nuclear power for example, is the cleanest way of industries, yet some politicians wants us to go back and use coal, wood, etc. :-\ and even worse, many people are actually swallowing this garbage. :D

Noodles

« Reply #105 on: March 12, 2012, 02:40 »
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The problem is: all this rubbish, electric cars, biofuel, ecco friendly products, etc, etc, is that its paved the way for thousands of companies who are nothing but con-artists, charging three times the price for everything, just pop down to your local health-product store and see their prices for useless roots and so called health products.
Certain politicians are leading us to believe that the car, is resposible for just about everything, so they raise taxes for just about everything concerning cars. In Europe we drive on 95 and 98, octane which is so clean it cant be any cleaner. Its all BS, form a new type of cons. Thats all.
Nuclear power for example, is the cleanest way of industries, yet some politicians wants us to go back and use coal, wood, etc. :-\ and even worse, many people are actually swallowing this garbage. :D

I agree with most of what you are saying. Places like China unbalance it all I'm afraid. Here in Oz they are very anti-nuclear and I'm not sure I understand why, but there are no Nuclear Power Stations here. Some countries and people have a mind set. Not related but for example, here in Brisbane there would be a riot if people had to consume recycled water whereas I happen to know London water is recycled up to 15 times! We need to break the mind set sooner than later for our children's children. I just think if it's possible to use technology to create clean energy, then we should be trying our hardest to use it. I mean, lets face it, we are only making them rich fat oil executive's richer and fatter hey!

lagereek

« Reply #106 on: March 12, 2012, 02:49 »
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The problem is: all this rubbish, electric cars, biofuel, ecco friendly products, etc, etc, is that its paved the way for thousands of companies who are nothing but con-artists, charging three times the price for everything, just pop down to your local health-product store and see their prices for useless roots and so called health products.
Certain politicians are leading us to believe that the car, is resposible for just about everything, so they raise taxes for just about everything concerning cars. In Europe we drive on 95 and 98, octane which is so clean it cant be any cleaner. Its all BS, form a new type of cons. Thats all.
Nuclear power for example, is the cleanest way of industries, yet some politicians wants us to go back and use coal, wood, etc. :-\ and even worse, many people are actually swallowing this garbage. :D

I agree with most of what you are saying. Places like China unbalance it all I'm afraid. Here in Oz they are very anti-nuclear and I'm not sure I understand why, but there are no Nuclear Power Stations here. Some countries and people have a mind set. Not related but for example, here in Brisbane there would be a riot if people had to consume recycled water whereas I happen to know London water is recycled up to 15 times! We need to break the mind set sooner than later for our children's children. I just think if it's possible to use technology to create clean energy, then we should be trying our hardest to use it. I mean, lets face it, we are only making them rich fat oil executive's richer and fatter hey!

Know why?  tell you why. Some people are so blind and easily led, they associate the very word, nuclear, with nuclear wars!, nuclear warfare, etc, they dont even separate nuclear-power industries, from nuclear powered warfare.
Just the very word, nuclear scares them off. Here in Sweden theres a lot of anti-nuclear as well and would you believe it, some politicians here wants us to go back to buying coal from Denmark? ::) and turn it into the old smog and fog effect, unhealthy to the point of stone-lungs, emphyzemia and death. Totally absurd!

« Reply #107 on: March 12, 2012, 04:22 »
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Of course they are, especially after Chernobil and Fukushima... Also the biggest problem is nuclear waste after fission reaction...
So, there is two different nuclear reaction fission ad fusion... Fusion is similar reaction like Sun, without nuclear waste, and very unstable... It will turn off immediately after something shakes that gentle process, without any consequence.... Scientists works on that..
Probably World need new Nikola Tesla again from Croatia...  ;)

lagereek

« Reply #108 on: March 12, 2012, 05:27 »
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Of course they are, especially after Chernobil and Fukushima... Also the biggest problem is nuclear waste after fission reaction...
So, there is two different nuclear reaction fission ad fusion... Fusion is similar reaction like Sun, without nuclear waste, and very unstable... It will turn off immediately after something shakes that gentle process, without any consequence.... Scientists works on that..
Probably World need new Nikola Tesla again from Croatia...  ;)

Nuclear power is still the cleanest, most effective, most safe and cheapest we have got. The reason things go wrong and very, very seldom at that, is the human factor, people screw up,  they always do, especially when greed sets in.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 05:29 by lagereek »

velocicarpo

« Reply #109 on: March 12, 2012, 09:27 »
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The problem is: all this rubbish, electric cars, biofuel, ecco friendly products, etc, etc, is that its paved the way for thousands of companies who are nothing but con-artists, charging three times the price for everything, just pop down to your local health-product store and see their prices for useless roots and so called health products.
Certain politicians are leading us to believe that the car, is resposible for just about everything, so they raise taxes for just about everything concerning cars. In Europe we drive on 95 and 98, octane which is so clean it cant be any cleaner. Its all BS, form a new type of cons. Thats all.
Nuclear power for example, is the cleanest way of industries, yet some politicians wants us to go back and use coal, wood, etc. :-\ and even worse, many people are actually swallowing this garbage. :D

Dude, you are totally lost. Nuclear power is everything but clean. It produces toxic and radioactive carbage in amount that nobody can handle. Japan switched off 52 of 54 reactors and is doing well. Germany decided to get out and is doing well. The opposite. Those countries will develope the technology necesary for the future and will have a huge advantage.
The USA did a huge damage to the world through introducing the "Profit is all" Model. It destroys our world. The concept of infinite growth is destroying our world. It lacks intelligence and moral.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 09:35 by velocicarpo »

« Reply #110 on: March 12, 2012, 09:34 »
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Well said velocicarpo

lagereek

« Reply #111 on: March 12, 2012, 11:00 »
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The problem is: all this rubbish, electric cars, biofuel, ecco friendly products, etc, etc, is that its paved the way for thousands of companies who are nothing but con-artists, charging three times the price for everything, just pop down to your local health-product store and see their prices for useless roots and so called health products.
Certain politicians are leading us to believe that the car, is resposible for just about everything, so they raise taxes for just about everything concerning cars. In Europe we drive on 95 and 98, octane which is so clean it cant be any cleaner. Its all BS, form a new type of cons. Thats all.
Nuclear power for example, is the cleanest way of industries, yet some politicians wants us to go back and use coal, wood, etc. :-\ and even worse, many people are actually swallowing this garbage. :D

Dude, you are totally lost. Nuclear power is everything but clean. It produces toxic and radioactive carbage in amount that nobody can handle. Japan switched off 52 of 54 reactors and is doing well. Germany decided to get out and is doing well. The opposite. Those countries will develope the technology necesary for the future and will have a huge advantage.
The USA did a huge damage to the world through introducing the "Profit is all" Model. It destroys our world. The concept of infinite growth is destroying our world. It lacks intelligence and moral.

Sure dude!  ofcourse it is. Back to school are we?  youre right, coal fires are much cleaner. sorry pal.

« Reply #112 on: March 12, 2012, 11:01 »
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All of these concerns seem small compared to what surely is on the way:

Paul Gilding: The Earth is full


This type of information is IMO too much for most people to handle. No wonder theres a show called "Doomsday Preppers" on cable in the US.

lagereek

« Reply #113 on: March 12, 2012, 11:06 »
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All of these concerns seem small compared to what surely is on the way:

Paul Gilding: The Earth is full


This type of information is IMO too much for most people to handle. No wonder theres a show called "Doomsday Preppers" on cable in the US.


Yeah, but none of these two know what theyre talking about, just glib, thats all. Theyre probably associating nuclear power with nuclear weapons.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 11:09 by lagereek »

« Reply #114 on: March 12, 2012, 11:25 »
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All of these concerns seem small compared to what surely is on the way:

Paul Gilding: The Earth is full


This type of information is IMO too much for most people to handle. No wonder theres a show called "Doomsday Preppers" on cable in the US.


Yeah, but none of these two know what theyre talking about, just glib, thats all. Theyre probably associating nuclear power with nuclear weapons.


Did you even see the TED video on that link he posted?

velocicarpo

« Reply #115 on: March 12, 2012, 12:08 »
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All of these concerns seem small compared to what surely is on the way:

Paul Gilding: The Earth is full


This type of information is IMO too much for most people to handle. No wonder theres a show called "Doomsday Preppers" on cable in the US.


Yeah, but none of these two know what theyre talking about, just glib, thats all. Theyre probably associating nuclear power with nuclear weapons.


Lagereek, don`t get me wrong. I highly value your posts regarding the stock industry. So I assume you are a intelligent being. You might inform yourself better about what is going on and what the options are. Otherwise, you may experience the same psychological mechanism which applies to many of our leaders and persons in charge. If reality is too complex for us to understand or to freightening, we tend to reduce reality to something more comfortable and simple, applying pure ignorance to the truth. This is not a bad intention, it is just admission that these people are not capable of understanding the complex environment we live in. Once this reflex may have been useful...when we lived in caves and just had to kick a butt or too to have success. Nowadays our possibilities and technologies lead to a far more complex world.

lagereek

« Reply #116 on: March 12, 2012, 12:50 »
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All of these concerns seem small compared to what surely is on the way:

Paul Gilding: The Earth is full


This type of information is IMO too much for most people to handle. No wonder theres a show called "Doomsday Preppers" on cable in the US.


Yeah, but none of these two know what theyre talking about, just glib, thats all. Theyre probably associating nuclear power with nuclear weapons.


Lagereek, don`t get me wrong. I highly value your posts regarding the stock industry. So I assume you are a intelligent being. You might inform yourself better about what is going on and what the options are. Otherwise, you may experience the same psychological mechanism which applies to many of our leaders and persons in charge. If reality is too complex for us to understand or to freightening, we tend to reduce reality to something more comfortable and simple, applying pure ignorance to the truth. This is not a bad intention, it is just admission that these people are not capable of understanding the complex environment we live in. Once this reflex may have been useful...when we lived in caves and just had to kick a butt or too to have success. Nowadays our possibilities and technologies lead to a far more complex world.


Sure! youre right, in a sense. Nuclear power is a funny thing, as I said earlier, most people run  for cover when just mentioning the word, and its got a bad reputation as well, which doesnt make things better.

best.

RacePhoto

« Reply #117 on: March 12, 2012, 23:24 »
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On the other side:

Nuclear power is the primary source of electric power in France. In 2004, 425.8 TWh out of the country's total production of 540.6 TWh of electricity was from nuclear power (78.8%), the highest percentage in the world.

Due to the general inflexibility of nuclear energy compared to fossil energy based power plant, to achieve this high load factor, France is also forced to be the world's largest net exporter of electric power (exporting 18% of its total production via 10 GW overall of interconnection capacity[2] to Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Britain, and Germany)

France's nuclear power industry has been called "a success story" that has put the nation "ahead of the world" in terms of providing cheap, CO2-free energy.


Seems to answer most of the wishes of the people who want clean energy, electric cars, power for their computers, phones and home. But if Hanoi Jane is against it because it will melt down to the center of the Earth, fear mongering will win over technology.

Recycled water, isn't all the water in the world recycled already?  ;D It's not like there's new water being made after 200,000 years just because we're here. Closed system except for some cosmic dust and things that fall from space.

« Reply #118 on: March 13, 2012, 06:59 »
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With the right policies, both nuclear and carbon based energy can be a thing of the pass. 

Government activism in Germany has resulted in the share of electricity produced from renewable energy from 6.3 percent of the national total in 2000 to over 20 percent in the first half of 2011, not bad from cloudy northern europe.

Here in Munich there is a target of covering 100 per cent residential electricity consumption from renewable energy by the year 2015 and in total (including industry) by the year 2025.

The old energy industries have seen the light, they are in the vanguard of change.

velocicarpo

« Reply #119 on: March 13, 2012, 09:19 »
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On the other side:

Nuclear power is the primary source of electric power in France. In 2004, 425.8 TWh out of the country's total production of 540.6 TWh of electricity was from nuclear power (78.8%), the highest percentage in the world.

Due to the general inflexibility of nuclear energy compared to fossil energy based power plant, to achieve this high load factor, France is also forced to be the world's largest net exporter of electric power (exporting 18% of its total production via 10 GW overall of interconnection capacity[2] to Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Britain, and Germany)

France's nuclear power industry has been called "a success story" that has put the nation "ahead of the world" in terms of providing cheap, CO2-free energy.


Seems to answer most of the wishes of the people who want clean energy, electric cars, power for their computers, phones and home. But if Hanoi Jane is against it because it will melt down to the center of the Earth, fear mongering will win over technology.

Recycled water, isn't all the water in the world recycled already?  ;D It's not like there's new water being made after 200,000 years just because we're here. Closed system except for some cosmic dust and things that fall from space.

So, what do you do with all the radioactive garbage? Are you even aware of that? Do you know how much it is? We talk about 12.000 tons highly toxic trash per year. In Germany in France there are huuuge problems because of that. Water washing out radioactivity of the Storage palces. High cancer rates in the affected areas...uncontrollable intoxication of the water sources. "Clean energy" is brainwash. If you want clean energy put some wind wheels. They produce 30% of the energy in germany and produce almost no problems.

RacePhoto

« Reply #120 on: March 13, 2012, 10:42 »
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With the right policies, both nuclear and carbon based energy can be a thing of the pass. 

Government activism in Germany has resulted in the share of electricity produced from renewable energy from 6.3 percent of the national total in 2000 to over 20 percent in the first half of 2011, not bad from cloudy northern europe.

Here in Munich there is a target of covering 100 per cent residential electricity consumption from renewable energy by the year 2015 and in total (including industry) by the year 2025.

The old energy industries have seen the light, they are in the vanguard of change.

I'm all for that plan and hopefully the resources and technology will be developed. Until then burning coal to make electricity instead of something cleaner, like nuclear for the interim, doesn't make sense.  When we get wind, solar or bio-fuel, energy cells (or something else) they shut down the coal, gas and nuke plants, and we move on. It's not an all or none situation as some make it.

Bottom line is it's eventually all about renewable electricity, isn't it?  ;D

Hey what's wrong with Geo-thermal? Natural, it comes from inside our own planet, just dig a hole and tap into the resources?

« Reply #121 on: March 13, 2012, 10:46 »
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The first generation of history that said to their grandchildren they will live worse than their parents, this never happened before in whole history.

That's not due to greed, just simple mathematics.

RacePhoto

« Reply #122 on: March 13, 2012, 10:54 »
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The first generation of history that said to their grandchildren they will live worse than their parents, this never happened before in whole history.

That's not due to greed, just simple mathematics.

Is someone forgetting the Dark Ages already? How were times during the ice ages? What about the world wars and great depressions or runaway inflation in the past?   :D

fujiko can you define "live worse" and explain what's so bad about now or the future?

I'd rather see room for hope and things will always be getting better because of knowledge and advances in technology and science.

wut

« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2012, 11:31 »
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Hey what's wrong with Geo-thermal? Natural, it comes from inside our own planet, just dig a hole and tap into the resources?

And the capacity of that energy is 400% of current use. And that source will never "dry" ;)

RacePhoto

« Reply #124 on: March 13, 2012, 11:51 »
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Hey what's wrong with Geo-thermal? Natural, it comes from inside our own planet, just dig a hole and tap into the resources?

And the capacity of that energy is 400% of current use. And that source will never "dry" ;)

Amazing isn't it. Someone posts a mean spirited, closed minded, political hate message, and an intelligent conversation breaks out. How refreshing...  ;D


 

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