Quote from: Noedelhap on November 22, 2023, 19:13

Using AI you're not stealing from anyone in particular or infringing copyright. The results AI systems produce are unique, but based on what it learned from other sources. Similar to what someone could create from memory whilst being inspired by something they've seen.

You are so aware for the question of stealing or infringing copyright...  You know what is a unique production...  You also know what is of being inspired...  No doubt that AI is a new way for you being creative and unique. 

Your work is left (and you did many illustrations of it). Right, is the famous La Linea by Osvaldo Cavandoli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Linea_(TV_series)


No comment. 

I was active on Midjourney for 2 months and I think I produced over 1000 pictures.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 26, 2023, 14:22

I was active on Midjourney for 2 months and I think I produced over 1000 pictures.

And how is the income? More than a standard photo?

Quote from: Bauman on November 26, 2023, 13:57

Let's not confuse generative AI content with AI software.
 
The copyright problem is gigantic for generative AI content and affects little-known authors.

I agree 100% with Wilm.

That's exactly what I mean. I was still learning at the drawing board. Then came computers and CAD software. Of course, these tools are an immense relief. And they help enormously to save time.

But I still had to - and still have to - design things myself.

When the architects at Gerhy develop new buildings, they naturally use the latest software. They are no longer living in the last millennium. Nevertheless, what is created there is a creative achievement for which all these architects are paid.

None of us are allowed to upload Gehry buildings for commercial purposes - it's forbidden. And if someone were to upload AI-generated Gerhy images, their portfolio would be blocked. But only because Gerhy has the money to make sure that this is forbidden.

But platforms like midjourney and others allow exactly that: that what someone has spent a lot of time creating is simply used to teach their own software. Which wouldn't be a bad thing per se if midjourney paid to use these images. But they don't do that. They even take money from their users for the theft. That's exactly the point! From my point of view this is incredible!

I can only answer from the point of view of an illustrator. I easily could generate a coloring book for kids within minutes and sell it on Amazon.

Quote from: Josephine on November 25, 2023, 03:38

I can only answer from the point of view of an illustrator. I easily could generate a coloring book for kids within minutes and sell it on Amazon.

Machine Learning, AI that creates images does not use the original images, it's not making a composite or taking bits and pieces of our images to make new images. The machine is trained to create new images, from what it has learned. At least that's the way AI like Dall-E and Midjourney work.

Quote from: Josephine on November 25, 2023, 03:38

I can only answer from the point of view of an illustrator. I easily could generate a coloring book for kids within minutes and sell it on Amazon.

But you can't protect or copyright it. Kind of ironic.

Machine Learning, AI that creates images does not use the original images, it's not making a composite or taking bits and pieces of our images to make new images. The machine is trained to create new images, from what it has learned. At least that's the way AI like Dall-E and Midjourney work.

The original images are never accessed again when someone asks for a new composition. So the whole, "I should get paid, every time my image is used again." is not logical, as all images of that type, style or whatever else, were used only once, but no images are specifically ever used again. AI is making a new image.

I see the decision to use or not as anyone's individual choice. I have fun making some cartoons or basic illustrations. And that's just as needed, now and then. Personally I'm not going to depend on AI for anything, and I like taking real photos. Hopefully people who pay for using images that I create will feel the same.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 27, 2023, 12:18

Quote from: Josephine on November 25, 2023, 03:38

I can only answer from the point of view of an illustrator. I easily could generate a coloring book for kids within minutes and sell it on Amazon.

Machine Learning, AI that creates images does not use the original images, it's not making a composite or taking bits and pieces of our images to make new images. The machine is trained to create new images, from what it has learned. At least that's the way AI like Dall-E and Midjourney work.

We don't know, Pete, how that works.
When I search AS exclusively for AI-generated images, I clearly see Apple products, an Audi A4! A Mercedes star and so on�

If the software worked the way you say it does, it would develop its own computers or cars. But it doesn't. And you can't be sure that it doesn't use 1:1 components from your images either.

The topic here is: "I will never use AI".

The topic here is: "I will never use AI".
To all the pro-AIs who sell their faith and prostration on this thread: Why not open a topic "I pray I will get eternal AI" for the simple sake of consistency and intellectual respect? 

[Edit]:I know that most AI critics tend to leave this forum, and that's unfortunately really understandable.

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Anyone taking any bets how long it will take OP and others to fully embrace ai??

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