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« on: June 13, 2025, 18:48 »
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Disney and Universal are suing artificial intelligence (AI) firm Midjourney over its image generator, which the Hollywood giants allege is a "bottomless pit of plagiarism".

The two studios claim Midjourney's tool makes "innumerable" copies of characters including Darth Vader from Star Wars, Frozen's Elsa, and the Minions from Despicable Me.

It is part of the entertainment industry's ongoing love-hate relationship with AI. Many studios want to make use of the technology but are concerned that their creations could be stolen.

Midjourney's image generator makes images from typed requests or prompts.

In the lawsuit filed in federal district court in Los Angeles, the studios gave examples of Midjourney-generated images that included Disney characters such as Star Wars' Yoda and Marvel's Spiderman, the Incredible Hulk and Iron Man.

Disney's chief legal officer Horacio Gutierrez said the firm was "optimistic" about how AI "can be used responsibly as a tool to further human creativity".

"But piracy is piracy, and the fact that it's done by an AI company does not make it any less infringing," he said.

In the complaint, Disney and Universal said Midjourney made $300m (221m) last year alone and is planning a "soon-to-be-released video service".

Syracuse University law professor Shubha Ghosh said: "A lot of the images that Midjourney produces just seem to be copies of copyright characters that might be in new locations or with a new background."

"It doesn't seem like they're being transformed in a creative or imaginative way."

He added that there is a recognition in copyright law that creativity can build on other works as long as it adds something new.

Randy McCarthy, head of the IP Law Group at US law firm Hall Estill said: "No litigation is ever a slam dunk, and that is true for Disney and Universal in this case."

"There are several issues such as terms of service provisions by Midjourney, and basic fair use analysis, that will need to be sorted out by the court before we can determine the likely outcome," he added.

Midjourney did not immediately respond to a BBC request for comment.

On its website, the San Francisco-based startup says it has a "small self-funded team" with less than a dozen full-time staffers.

It refers to itself as "an independent research lab."

The firm is run by David Holz, who previously founded a hardware sensor firm called Leap Motion.

Midjourney lists former Github chief executive Nat Friedman and Philip Rosedale, founder of Second Life, among its advisors.

Hollywood sees both potential upsides and downsides to AI.

It was only two years ago that actors and writers shut down the entertainment industry hub with strikes demanding protections against new technology.

But now AI is being used more in TV, films and video games.

Two movies competing at the Oscars used AI to alter voices: Emilia Perez and The Brutalist.

The technology has also been used to de-age actors like Tom Hanks and Harrison Ford.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg5vjqdm1ypo


« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2025, 19:00 »
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It will be interesting, and curious why the theatrics, since basically both midjourney & disney, etc are funded/owned by the same main company/"investors" (i.e., the likes of blackrock/vanguard/state street/etc).

ALL "ai" (including chatGPT) is based off of massive massive theft. They are theft based services.

Seems like it more designed to make it harder for the 'little guy' to compete in the "ai" world, and fearful of potentially 'infringing' on someone's rights.
The big companies really don't care - because they are part of the same club.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2025, 19:27 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2025, 02:43 »
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And how should such characters as Darth Vader from Star Wars, Frozen's Elsa, Minions from Despicable Me, Star Wars' Yoda and Marvel's Spiderman, the Incredible Hulk and Iron Man look according to artificial intelligence?
Of course, these characters will look like their original selves, if you demand that AI draw them.
The essence of the dispute is not clear. Can Disney and Universal forbid everyone from drawing their characters?

I understand that such drawings cannot be taken for commercial use. But what does Midjourney have to do with it then? Midjourney is just a tool, like any graphic editor, in which an artist can draw any plagiarism with his own hands.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2025, 02:48 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2025, 02:50 »
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Seems like it more designed to make it harder for the 'little guy' to compete in the "ai" world, and fearful of potentially 'infringing' on someone's rights.
The big companies really don't care - because they are part of the same club.
Midjourney is a tool, just like Photoshop. You can also create content in it and sell this content on Adobe, for example. Another issue is that Adobe makes demands on such content and writes what you shouldn't do so that you don't violate someone's copyright.
You are against technical progress!  ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #4 on: Today at 05:45 »
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Also hearing AI has run into a dead end, the level of intelligence that was promised to investors isn't likely.  So will investors start pulling out?  Hope so, but as always it's early days. 

« Reply #5 on: Today at 06:35 »
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Ai is buzzword wallstreet has been pushing out to naive investors, the same way blockchain 10 years ago was supposed to change the world, replace banks and insurances, make normal currencies obsolete etc

Longterm ai will find its place, but the most important part - intelligence - is simply not there.

I do hope midjourney gets forced to pay for proper training of their generator.

Indont think they can be punished for the commercial use of content created with disney characters.

There is a lot of creative art using starwars or mickey mouse.

But midjourney just snatched everything from the jnternet without paying creators.

Other generators license content for training and at least we get paid something.

The big problem is from what I understand, not a lawyer, that many countries want to establish a different copyright law for ai.

Basically let them steal whatever they want for training to encourage building a strong ai industry in their country.

Japan seems to be leading this.

And then you get the issues that what is legal in Japan, is not legal elsewhere and international copyright law will probably need 20 years to harmonise again.

But ai is not going away, it is a new tool that will be impossible to avoid, because it will be included in your camera software, all processing tools etc

I am already using an old photoshop elements version to process camera images for istock and others.

But longterm even the digital images I take will probably have automated ai enhancements that I cannot switch off.

« Reply #6 on: Today at 06:43 »
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I am already using an old photoshop elements version to process camera images for istock and others.
??? ::) :'( :'( :'( :'(
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You can also disconnect from the internet and put on a tinfoil hat!

« Reply #7 on: Today at 14:25 »
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I am already using an old photoshop elements version to process camera images for istock and others.
??? ::) :'( :'( :'( :'(
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You can also disconnect from the internet and put on a tinfoil hat!

Might be wise for most people.


 

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