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Title: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: Uncle Pete on February 01, 2020, 12:04
Kodak Professional
January 27 at 7:00 AM ·

CT Scanning X-Ray Technology and Film

As many of you know, the United States Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has recently been installing Computed Tomography (CT) scanners for carry-on luggage in US airports. In the coming months these scanners will be operational at 145 airports in the US. CT scanning technology has been used for checked luggage for many years, and Kodak Alaris and Eastman Kodak have warned photographers not to check their film, but rather to carry it on and request it be hand-checked by TSA agents at Security.

To better assess the risk to film from the new carry on scanners we brought a small quantity of Portra 400/135 to John F Kennedy Airport in NYC. With the help of TSA representatives the film was put through the new carry on CT scanners from 1-10 times. The film was then evaluated at Eastman Kodak Research facilities. The initial results are not good. Just 1 scan shows significant film fogging, leading to smoky blacks and loss of shadow detail. This will be more significant for higher speed films. Although it’s possible that a roll of 100 speed film would show less degradation, we strongly recommend against putting any unexposed or exposed but unprocessed film through a CT Scanner.

We reached out to the TSA to ask what options there might be to warn passengers. We originally asked if it would be possible to add signage at airports that utilize CT scanning technology. We are developing warning stickers that can be placed on your film. These will be available in a label format so they can be printed on your in-home or in-office printer. Just attach the label to the plastic bag as described in the TSA description below.

The TSA did tell us that all TSA screeners are trained to hand check roll and movie film as well as single-use cameras. Sheet film in boxes may require more diligence on the part of the photographer.

From the TSA:

Most x-ray machines used to screen carry-on bags should not damage undeveloped film under ASA\ISO 800. There are a limited number of screening checkpoints that use x-ray equipment that may damage undeveloped film. These airports will have signage in front of the x-ray stating that the x-ray may damage undeveloped film.

If you are traveling with the following types of film, please pack it in a clear plastic bag, remove it from your carry-on bag at the checkpoint, and ask for a hand inspection:

• Film with an ASA\ISO 800 or higher
• Highly sensitive x-ray or scientific films
• Film that is or will be underexposed
• Film that you intend to “push process”
• Sheet film
• Large format film
• Medical film
• Scientific film
• Motion picture film
• Professional grade film
• Film of any speed that is subjected to x-ray screening more than five times

In most cases, the x-ray equipment used for screening checked baggage will damage undeveloped film; therefore, please place undeveloped film in carry-on bags.

For more information please download the film Storage and Care Information sheet from our website: https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/ (https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/)…/f…/wysiwyg/pro/CIS_E30.pdf

For more information on TSA use of CT technology, please:
https://www.tsa.gov/computed-tomography (https://www.tsa.gov/computed-tomography)

For more information on TSA screening procedures, please visit https://urldefense.com/ (https://urldefense.com/)…/www.tsa.gov__;!!NtZYYMejrjoc!zT1yW… .

These US airports currently use CT scanning technology:

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL)
Baltimore-Washington International Airport (BWI)
Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD)
Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG)
Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport (DTW)
Houston Hobby Airport (HOU)
Indianapolis International Airport (IND)
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)
Logan International Airport (BOS)
Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
Miami International Airport (MIA)
Oakland International Airport (OAK)
Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX)
Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA)
St. Louis Lambert International Airport (STL)
Tampa International Airport (TPA)
Washington-Dulles International Airport (IAD)

Kodak Professional Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/kodakprofessional/photos/a.272982146053466/3171302796221372/ (https://www.facebook.com/kodakprofessional/photos/a.272982146053466/3171302796221372/)

Here's another place with the same information and graphics

https://petapixel.com/2020/01/27/kodak-warns-users-new-ct-scanners-at-airports-will-ruin-your-film/ (https://petapixel.com/2020/01/27/kodak-warns-users-new-ct-scanners-at-airports-will-ruin-your-film/)

Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on February 01, 2020, 17:51
What is film?


Actually, thanks for the info.  In the old days I used to have a lead pouch to put film in but don't know how that would work with the latest equipment.  Not even sure where you would buy film nowadays - haven't used it in over 15 years - although I have seen some people achieve great results with scans of large film a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: marthamarks on February 01, 2020, 23:53
Just one of many reasons I'm glad I abandoned film in 2004.

But still, thanks, Pete, for the info.
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on February 02, 2020, 02:36
Film, I miss you so much! You will always have a special place in my heart.

P.S. In my collection too :)
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: Uncle Pete on February 02, 2020, 11:57
What is film?


Actually, thanks for the info.  In the old days I used to have a lead pouch to put film in but don't know how that would work with the latest equipment.  Not even sure where you would buy film nowadays - haven't used it in over 15 years - although I have seen some people achieve great results with scans of large film a couple years ago.

I still have my lead bag and some film that's out of date marked SAMPLE which Kodak sent me and expired in 2010.

Just one of many reasons I'm glad I abandoned film in 2004.

But still, thanks, Pete, for the info.

I think 2005 is when I bought my first good digital camera, a Canon 10-D, I did have some toys, like a Sony Mavica, HP and Casio, oh and yes a Kodak. Once I started with the 10-D I actually had some film left and used it, but everything look faded and soft in comparison. That's a Canon AE-1 with good lenses. Last I shot was fireworks at night, time exposures, which the store marked, exposure problems.  ::) That color film was out of date when I shot it.
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: wordplanet on February 02, 2020, 17:05
I was up in my attic earlier this week looking for some old art supplies and I found my old darkroom stuff. Canisters and chemicals. I miss the darkroom days. Unbelievable to me how many tens of thousands of photos I've shot since I got my D70 back in 2006. I still have my OM-1 (my first and only SLR from the 1970's) and sometimes think about searching for film and using it. I do use my old lenses on both my OMD-E1 and my a7rii with adapters and you can't beat the bokeh.

Thanks for the info. I wonder if I still have my old lead bag somewhere? ...I'd guess that would put up a red flag for the TSA these days. Nearly two decades of this war on terror now. What a world.

Thank goodness the scanners don't create issues for our cards and hard drives.
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: k_t_g on February 03, 2020, 17:28
Still use my old Kodak digital camera. For now still works great.  :)
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: Uncle Pete on February 03, 2020, 21:19
Still use my old Kodak digital camera. For now still works great.  :)

? Which one?

Still use a 10-D and it works great.  ;D Somewhere in a file cabinet is the Sony Mavica FD7 which last I checked still works great, saves to a floppy, 22 images on a disk. 640x580? Oh WOW!

(https://i.postimg.cc/qqQ9jYXQ/scgt018.jpg)

or holy cow 2004?

(https://i.postimg.cc/63XgwwMY/pete-drums-2004-xmas-jam.jpg)


Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: marthamarks on February 03, 2020, 22:38

(https://i.postimg.cc/63XgwwMY/pete-drums-2004-xmas-jam.jpg)

Is that YOU, Pete???
Title: Re: Kodak warning airport scanners
Post by: Uncle Pete on February 04, 2020, 13:24


Is that YOU, Pete???

Yeah, one of the Christmas band jams for anyone who played in various groups together. Less hair, more grey, I'm about 30 pounds heavier. That set had been through a flood, shells were splitting after it dried. Good for something to leave behind in a friends basement.

2004 KODAK EASYSHARE CX4230 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA, which was the point of that image, not me. 2MP camera.

2005 HP PhotoSmart C945 5MP (specs were better than the actual quality, has banding issues) Still shutter lag problems

2006 Powershot A400 went into my pocket, to have a camera with me everywhere, at all times. 3.2MP

2006 now that I tracked down a photo = my first 10-D a whole 6.3MP but far better than anything else I ever owned. Date from an image that I could find with EXIF data.

2007 second 10-D

Back to the OP, that would make me pretty sure that 2006 was the last year, except for fireworks double/triple exposures, that I shot anything on film. And with software now, multiple exposures and overlays are simple.

These are all 10-D or 20-Ds, used for timelapse, star trails and remote. Although sometimes for fun I shoot something stock, just to prove they are suitable and can make Microstock images. Man means that camera has no electronics that work anymore. One of the 20-Ds works when it's been sitting in front of dry heat. That one was outside for a year taking a time lapse.

(https://i.postimg.cc/J7FWYrGJ/cameras_drawer.jpg)