Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:40

Perhaps you missed the rest of the joke?

In any case though, I find it odd that the huge mansion had no internet and no phone yet all deliveries arrived by courier.  I can't imagine a terrorist running his operation that way ... maybe he sent for supplies via courier pigeon lol

Nah, I didn't miss the joke.

There's a lot of things I can't imagine, doesn't mean they aren't real or didn't happen. For instance, I can't imagine killing millions of Jews or people flying planes into buildings. I'm sure Bin Laden know the minuted he connected to the internet he would be tracked. I'm not surprised at all at the low-tech approach. And who even knows what kind of active role he was even playing he was even playing anymore.

You didn't have to imagine that, you saw that and it's brought on emotions.  This is why the governement can say anything you want to hear about OBL and you'll believe it.. because you want to believe it.

As for being tracked, how would he be tracked?  According to Obama, it was the lack of having the internet and phone that made them look suspicious.  

You are right. TWO instances of spin during 10 years of war most definitely proves that everything else is a lie. 

No, it just proves the source is unreliable, especially when very high profile cases are involved. And those were two off the top of my head.

And, btw, I'm not saying he's not dead, just that I won't trust any of the details when "the full story" is unveiled.

Quote from: caspixel on May 02, 2011, 09:32

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:17

Another interesting fact they've just revealed on CNN is that they found a bunch of computers with their harddrives ripped out.  Yet they had no internet. 

So everyone who has a computer *has* to have internet?

Perhaps you missed the rest of the joke?

In any case though, I find it odd that the huge mansion had no internet and no phone yet all deliveries arrived by courier.  I can't imagine a terrorist running his operation that way ... maybe he sent for supplies via courier pigeon lol

what operation? Btw that's how a wanted man lives, since the internet is pretty much monitored realtime, all the time, since the installment of splitters and so are phones.

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:58

You didn't have to image that, you saw that and it's brought on emotions.  

I didn't see millions of Jews being killed and there are those that dispute the entire holocaust.

How can they keep the lid on everyone who was involved? Surely at some point things would be leaked. What about the Navy Seals that participated in the operation? The people in the Pakistani government who aided in locating him? What about all the intelligence officers involved in the op? It's not like it's just one person making this stuff up.

I don't think we should compare the holocaust with one elusive man that's been underground for a decade who the governement couldn't find in all that time.

Everyone involved?  Who was involved apart from the US government?  Are you saying the US government aren't equiped to set this up?  It was just raiding one property.  As for the Pakistani government aiding the US in finding him, that's the story the US have given.  They were on the ground at the time but they weren't directly involved and were clueless before the attack.  On CNN they said:

"A senior administration official told reporters that U.S. President Barack Obama�s administration did not share intelligence gathered before the attack on bin Laden in Pakistan with any other country � including Pakistan � for security reasons."

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/was-pakistan-involved-in-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-long-term-interests-of-u-s-hopes-so/

I just choose not to believe everything I hear or read from governements and politicians whose job is to lie.  

They just claimed that they now have DNA evidence but what would anyone expect them to say?  "oh sorry, we killed some random unknown... oops"?  I don't think so.  

They got rid of the only evidence they was real.  If in fact they killed anyone at all.  Also, they've been surveiling him since Aug 2010, surely they have some video footage they can show?  All we're seeing on CNN are the same images of OBL.  

Sorry, the more I read and hear, the more it looks like a cover up.  

Quote from: sharpshot on May 02, 2011, 08:40

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 07:59

Quote from: Kngkyle on May 02, 2011, 07:44

If he were buried on land the location would become a shrine for all of Al Qaeda. Dumping his body into the ocean was the right move. I'm sure we'll get more proof in the coming days that it was actually him.

Sure they could have dumped his body in the sea but what was the hurry?

Proof?  What proof?  How will we get proof now?  We have no body, the mansion has been conveniently burnt down.  The video footage they've just shown on CNN of the aftermath seems dodgy.  They claimed it was a 40 minute firefight but the room doesn't look messed up enough.  They're currently gathering DNA evidence?  lol, come on!  Did the US government at some stage manage to retrieve one of Osama's pubes from under a rock in a cave in Afghanistan back in 2001 in order to make that match?  Any 'proof' they come up with now will most likely be doctored like everything else seems to be.

I think they have DNA from other family members.  There's no way it wasn't him, I think conspiracy theories are 99.9% made up and usually have much less evidence than the truth.

As is anything that comes from a polititian's mouth.

"There's no way it wasn't him". 

So apart from Obama's word, what else makes you believe this with conviction? 

What a bunch of wackos in this thread

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:49

Quote from: sharpshot on May 02, 2011, 08:40

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 07:59

Quote from: Kngkyle on May 02, 2011, 07:44

If he were buried on land the location would become a shrine for all of Al Qaeda. Dumping his body into the ocean was the right move. I'm sure we'll get more proof in the coming days that it was actually him.

Sure they could have dumped his body in the sea but what was the hurry?

Proof?  What proof?  How will we get proof now?  We have no body, the mansion has been conveniently burnt down.  The video footage they've just shown on CNN of the aftermath seems dodgy.  They claimed it was a 40 minute firefight but the room doesn't look messed up enough.  They're currently gathering DNA evidence?  lol, come on!  Did the US government at some stage manage to retrieve one of Osama's pubes from under a rock in a cave in Afghanistan back in 2001 in order to make that match?  Any 'proof' they come up with now will most likely be doctored like everything else seems to be.

I think they have DNA from other family members.  There's no way it wasn't him, I think conspiracy theories are 99.9% made up and usually have much less evidence than the truth.

As is anything that comes from a polititian's mouth.

"There's no way it wasn't him". 

So apart from Obama's word, what else makes you believe this with conviction? 

What a bunch of wackos in this thread

You should put the tinfoil on your balls because your brains already fried, muppet

....I doubt a wanted man would be living in a mansion that is eight times larger than surrounding properties...

Why not?  It looked like it worked perfectly, he lived somewhere nobody expected him to be.  And why would people covering this up pick that property if it isn't a good place for a wanted man to live?  This is why I struggle with conspiracy theories.  If it was a conspiracy, they would of planted him in a much less conspicuous place, to stop this silly speculation.  If it was a conspiracy, it wouldn't all seem so strange.  They would of made it really believable.  But then people would think that was odd too.

I think youre president Bush was better then this clown Obama?  he seams a complete joke to us here in Europe. We wouldnt even consider him as a porter to open the front-doors to parliament, here in Europe.

I hope that was sarcasm.  I haven't been that impressed by Obama but Bush was the worst president I can remember.  Almost as bad as Gordon Brown

Someone showed me this and I thought it was pretty good:

lol, very cool.
Good photo for a haters be hatin' tag too

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 11:12

....I doubt a wanted man would be living in a mansion that is eight times larger than surrounding properties...

Why not?  It looked like it worked perfectly, he lived somewhere nobody expected him to be.  And why would people covering this up pick that property if it isn't a good place for a wanted man to live?  This is why I struggle with conspiracy theories.  If it was a conspiracy, they would of planted him in a much less conspicuous place, to stop this silly speculation.  If it was a conspiracy, it wouldn't all seem so strange.  They would of made it really believable.  But then people would think that was odd too.

No, I was just saying that if he was that worried about the phone and the internet, why would he choose to stick out in a mansion on a street surrounded by tiny properties?  Why would the US choose that propery?  Who knows?  It's nice and close to the military base so they can then turn on the Pakistani governement for harbouring Osama?  Or because four choppers raiding a tiny property wouldn't look that great on the big screen when the movie comes out?    Who knows.  This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is me throwing crap out there because my versions seem as authentic as Obama's version.  You said earlier " I think conspiracy theories are 99.9% made up and usually have much less evidence than the truth."  You're missing point then.  Of course they are made up but they're made up because the "truth" lacks any real evidence so effectively the truth is up for grabs.

This story is just off and without any real evidence, one can't help but think that the US governement didn't fabricate this entire thing for some alterior motive.  I mean it wouldn't be the first time propaganda is used in the middle of a war.

Quote from: sharpshot on May 02, 2011, 12:02

Quote from: pseudonymous on May 02, 2011, 11:12

....I doubt a wanted man would be living in a mansion that is eight times larger than surrounding properties...

Why not?  It looked like it worked perfectly, he lived somewhere nobody expected him to be.  And why would people covering this up pick that property if it isn't a good place for a wanted man to live?  This is why I struggle with conspiracy theories.  If it was a conspiracy, they would of planted him in a much less conspicuous place, to stop this silly speculation.  If it was a conspiracy, it wouldn't all seem so strange.  They would of made it really believable.  But then people would think that was odd too.

Hiding in plain sight. He probably told anyone who saw him in the neighborhood that he was a celebrity look-a-like. 

 

...The soviets found dead Hitler and set his corpse on fire without even trying to collect evidence. And there still seems to be some debate if he fled to South America or other place.

I heard that he is alive, living in Canada, and working for Getty.

Sorry, I thought it was Latin or something!
Goodnight!