Author Topic: Property Releases- How to get your Neighbor or Friends to Sign On? (Read 25388 times)

tab62 · « **on:** May 09, 2013, 16:52 »

Hi MSG,

We have some nice houses in our area and wanted to know how to approach them for a photo session and sign the property release? I attempted to do so with a friend of mine and they laughed at me! They told me that if I provided them with a full 4' by 6' on Metal with a UV glass and metal frame plus a few hundred dollars they might allow me to take a photo of their house.

Oh, well just trying to do some thinking...

T

ShadySue · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2013, 16:55 »

Can't help. Everyone I've ever asked has at best laughed and all ask why anyone would ever agree.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2013, 17:00 »

I always say, you get the photos from the shoot, to use for free, but cant sell them on. Some people agree to that. Thats how I got a PR from a museum. So they get professional images and I get my PR.

tab62 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2013, 22:25 »

I am hoping that a offer of photos will do the trick. I might do a photo of the folks also as long as they sign a model release

roede-orm · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2013, 00:53 »

I don't understand why do you need a PR. In every case you can shot from a public road for example. Give the Agency this information when you upload your pics, and they will accept your pictures.

ShadySue · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2013, 03:17 »

If it's the outside of the house you want, for any agency that need a release, wouldn't it have to be the architect who signed any PR?
If it's the interior, almost any house would have an incredible amount of things which would individually require releases from many different sources, though of course I see plenty of apparently upscale home interiors where apparently these releases (fancy furniture, flooring, general interior decoration) have been granted.

lisafx · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2013, 19:13 »

I have never needed a property release and I have shot inside a number of friends' houses, at my church, neighbor's yard, etc. I always get permission, but releases aren't required. Perhaps it's because I am shooting models and the property is not the main subject.

I don't know about shooting just houses, as the main subject.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2013, 21:59 »

People here are confusing being courteous and asking for permission with the need for a property release.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2013, 22:15 »

Quote from: tab62 on May 09, 2013, 16:52

Hi MSG,

We have some nice houses in our area and wanted to know how to approach them for a photo session and sign the property release? I attempted to do so with a friend of mine and they laughed at me! They told me that if I provided them with a full 4' by 6' on Metal with a UV glass and metal frame plus a few hundred dollars they might allow me to take a photo of their house.

Oh, well just trying to do some thinking...

T

I have hard time imagining these people would be your friends. I would offer others copies of some of the better shots. Make a deal to deliver 10 retouched images on a CD. You'll get a lot of nays. Explain your a professional and that the images have lot of value.

tab62 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2013, 22:36 »

interesting. When I did my house I added in a property release - all our houses are on a public street. Just want to be polite and ask for permission. Once they see the legal forms they walk away. Maybe if I offer them a cold beer on a hot summer evening I might get lucky lol!

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2013, 22:53 »

Private property is probably more tricky than model releases. I tried a few years ago to shoot small businesses and found it very difficult to get many positive responses. People on the other hand don't seem to be too bothered with the idea. I rarely get turned down.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2013, 01:49 »

Quote from: lisafx on May 10, 2013, 19:13

I have never needed a property release and I have shot inside a number of friends' houses, at my church, neighbor's yard, etc. I always get permission, but releases aren't required. Perhaps it's because I am shooting models and the property is not the main subject.

I don't know about shooting just houses, as the main subject.

Churches I know, but inside houses, in somebodies home, dont you need a PR? Did SS accept the shots without PR? And I know 123 always wants PRs and Alamy for sure. If you dont need a PR for shooting inside someone's home, that would make life easier.

fotografer · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2013, 01:58 »

I've shot many images inside people's homes and never been asked for a PR by any agency.

ShadySue · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2013, 05:21 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 11, 2013, 01:58

I've shot many images inside people's homes and never been asked for a PR by any agency.

Do you spend a lot of time moving everything out of the way and putting in generic furnishings/electonics/carpets/curtains etc, or do you go out of your way to find interiors which have none of these things?
I mean, iS famously rejected an image where, if you zoomed in to 400%, with the eye of faith you could 'just' make out YKK on the zip of someone who wasn't themselves even filling the frame.
Obviously, you'd remove all logos etc, but just looking around my house, which is not 'designer' furnished, I'm still sure the furnishings, electronics etc would be easily recognisable to the manufacturer, much more so than blurry background people who need MRs in case they can 'recognise themselves in context'.
Even thinking of bookcases - you'd either have to change all the book spines or show empty bookcases and shelves. Looking at mine, I remember that all my wooden furniture was made by a mid-market company which nevertheless has a special corner device which they featured a lot in their advertising so maybe is registered.

ShadySue · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2013, 05:24 »

Quote from: Zeus on May 10, 2013, 22:15

Explain your a professional and that the images have lot of value.

What would the value be?
The only possible value might be if you were selling the house yourself down the line. However, hereabouts, estate agents come with a snappy camera and take the 'required' photos from the 'required' angle, whether it's rainig (which it often is) or not.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #15 on:** May 11, 2013, 06:37 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 01:49

Quote from: lisafx on May 10, 2013, 19:13
I have never needed a property release and I have shot inside a number of friends' houses, at my church, neighbor's yard, etc. I always get permission, but releases aren't required. Perhaps it's because I am shooting models and the property is not the main subject.

I don't know about shooting just houses, as the main subject.
Churches I know, but inside houses, in somebodies home, dont you need a PR? Did SS accept the shots without PR? And I know 123 always wants PRs and Alamy for sure. If you dont need a PR for shooting inside someone's home, that would make life easier.

No, you don't need a PR for any interiors. You only need a PR if there is a creative work, like an image in a frame, pictured.

fotografer · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2013, 07:44 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 11, 2013, 05:21

Quote from: fotografer on May 11, 2013, 01:58
I've shot many images inside people's homes and never been asked for a PR by any agency.
Do you spend a lot of time moving everything out of the way and putting in generic furnishings/electonics/carpets/curtains etc, or do you go out of your way to find interiors which have none of these things?
I mean, iS famously rejected an image where, if you zoomed in to 400%, with the eye of faith you could 'just' make out YKK on the zip of someone who wasn't themselves even filling the frame.
Obviously, you'd remove all logos etc, but just looking around my house, which is not 'designer' furnished, I'm still sure the furnishings, electronics etc would be easily recognisable to the manufacturer, much more so than blurry background people who need MRs in case they can 'recognise themselves in context'.
Even thinking of bookcases - you'd either have to change all the book spines or show empty bookcases and shelves. Looking at mine, I remember that all my wooden furniture was made by a mid-market company which nevertheless has a special corner device which they featured a lot in their advertising so maybe is registered.

I tend to use parts of the home that are generic, sofas, dining table etc. I have photoshopped one of my photos into pictures or photos in frames a couple of times.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 11, 2013, 07:45 »

Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 06:37

No, you don't need a PR for any interiors. You only need a PR if there is a creative work, like an image in a frame, pictured.

Can you explain this maybe, because I dont understand why not. Thanks

Fallesen · « **Reply #18 on:** May 11, 2013, 07:52 »

We just made up a number of cheap business cards to hand to people in return for pictures of their house/person. It's more "official" and you don't look like a joke or creep. They can also check in with you at your email and get a free copy of the picture.

You also might want to reiterate the fact that there will be no identifying factors in the picture such as addresses, license plates, names, etc...

It's sort of like a sales pitch. Start with relatives and move on from there.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #19 on:** May 11, 2013, 10:27 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 07:45

Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 06:37

No, you don't need a PR for any interiors. You only need a PR if there is a creative work, like an image in a frame, pictured.

Can you explain this maybe, because I dont understand why not. Thanks

Because you don't. A property release is to release protected intellectual property. Not 4 walls and a floor in someone's house or office. It isn't "permission to shoot", or at least it is separate from that.

http://www.danheller.com/model-release.html#8.2

ShadySue · « **Reply #20 on:** May 11, 2013, 10:33 »

Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 10:27

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 07:45
Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 06:37

No, you don't need a PR for any interiors. You only need a PR if there is a creative work, like an image in a frame, pictured.

Can you explain this maybe, because I dont understand why not. Thanks

Because you don't. A property release is to release protected intellectual property. Not 4 walls and a floor in someone's house or office. It isn't "permission to shoot", or at least it is separate from that.

http://www.danheller.com/model-release.html#8.2

What about furniture, furnishings, decor, books etc?

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #21 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:19 »

Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 10:27

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 07:45
Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 06:37

No, you don't need a PR for any interiors. You only need a PR if there is a creative work, like an image in a frame, pictured.

Can you explain this maybe, because I dont understand why not. Thanks

Because you don't. A property release is to release protected intellectual property. Not 4 walls and a floor in someone's house or office. It isn't "permission to shoot", or at least it is separate from that.

http://www.danheller.com/model-release.html#8.2

I think SS may have a different interpretation.

lisafx · « **Reply #22 on:** May 11, 2013, 13:09 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 11, 2013, 10:33

Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 10:27
Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 07:45
Quote from: sjlocke on May 11, 2013, 06:37

No, you don't need a PR for any interiors. You only need a PR if there is a creative work, like an image in a frame, pictured.

Can you explain this maybe, because I dont understand why not. Thanks

Because you don't. A property release is to release protected intellectual property. Not 4 walls and a floor in someone's house or office. It isn't "permission to shoot", or at least it is separate from that.

http://www.danheller.com/model-release.html#8.2

What about furniture, furnishings, decor, books etc?

If the furniture and decor are not clearly identifiable as being from a particular designer, then a release is not necessary. As far as books go, they shouldn't be the main subject, but only background. Just blur them out.

http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photo-library-teens-computer-image18729610

Babbalouie · « **Reply #23 on:** May 11, 2013, 13:28 »

I am surprised to be reading these claims about property releases. I have shots from the interior of my own home and many others. These have Yamaha pianos, Lincare medical devices, fine furniture from various manufacturers. I have these shots accepted at the major sites without property releases. I am careful now about eye-glasses because of the problems and lawsuits reported in other threads.

ShadySue · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2013, 14:11 »

Quote from: Babbalouie on May 11, 2013, 13:28

I am surprised to be reading these claims about property releases. I have shots from the interior of my own home and many others. These have Yamaha pianos, Lincare medical devices, fine furniture from various manufacturers. I have these shots accepted at the major sites without property releases. I am careful now about eye-glasses because of the problems and lawsuits reported in other threads.

I have seen many photos of interiors, and always imagined that somehow they had managed to get releases for everything.
I can't understand why they don't need releases for recogniseable objects, many of which will no doubt be trademarked or something.
OTOH, I have never really been able to get my head fully around what's acceptable just at iStock, far less all the different agencies, which all seem to make up their own rules. Some things I've uploaded as Editorial at iS and were rejected and I was told to upload to the main collection have surprised me.

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