Author Topic: Government - Let's all work together (Read 5414 times)

goober · « **on:** February 22, 2016, 20:57 »

I was watching TV this morning, in Australia, and I had to endure another Government advertisement about how we all need to "work together". Almost every Government advert during the last ten years has the byline, "Let's all work together".

I must be the wrong sort of person for this society because this ad doesn't appeal to me at all. I feel like it is mathematically impossible for me to financially uphold every other person in our society. I would rather a firewall from society, as in the Gov gets 25% and no more. At least then I can plan and work towards the wellbeing of my family and those I care about rather than being lumped with the burden of millions of people.

They already take around 50% of the average persons wage, by the time you aggregate all taxes, which leaves little after paying for your living expenses, and it's never enough. The average wage in Australia is $75K and the cost to fund the federal budget this year is $39K per working person. In 2013, 16.5% of the working population worked for some level of Government and I don't think this figure includes people whose jobs are supported by businesses that win Government contracts.

Neither party seems to want to pull back on public spending. The red party wants more and the blue party wants slightly less but still will not consider drastic cuts to public spending. All media coverage is about how can we get more taxes out of people because 'we're' running out of money! Let's up the GST ! Let's tax super concessions! How about, let's cut public spending and let people accrue some capital so they can take care of themselves and their families?

sharpshot · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2016, 04:55 »

In the UK, we have to endure listening to George Osborne telling us 'We're all in this together' while cutting taxes for the richest and taking money away from the poorest. He is a multi millionaire, like lots of the present government, how can they possibly relate to people that have to use soup kitchens to feed their family? I wish we had a real democracy, a government that represented people from all society. We lurch from one extreme to the other.

Red Dove · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2016, 05:24 »

Cicero was saying the same thing around 70 BC and he was undoubtedly plagiarising his predecessors.

Chichikov · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2016, 07:43 »

¡Viva la revolución!

!Hasta la Victoria siempre!

Tror · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2016, 08:13 »

Quote from: goober on February 22, 2016, 20:57

I must be the wrong sort of person for this society because this ad doesn't appeal to me at all. I feel like it is mathematically impossible for me to financially uphold every other person in our society. I would rather a firewall from society, as in the Gov gets 25% and no more. At least then I can plan and work towards the wellbeing of my family and those I care about rather than being lumped with the burden of millions of people.

I do not believe in the ancient, political categories of "left" and "right" wing or in terms of communism, capitalism, socialism etc. Those terms reflect a culture already fading in the past.

I do believe instead in self-responsibility. I fully agree with you. This means that I think any "government" should allow the individual to take as much responsibility for themselves as possible without interfering. This regards not only to economics, but also to drug consumption, life planing, censorship and choice of education etc.

I believe this is the way to go to develope a society wwith individuals which are responsible, educated, mature and resistant to whatever wave of radicalism and brainwash.

Please note that self-responsibility and a wide radius of self-development has nothing to do with egoism like it is practiced in current capitalism and is not at all opposed to helping each other. The opposite. Individual strength strengthens the community.

Current governments widely abuse feelings like patriotism or even the social institutions in their countries for their own, selfish needs. Look at most countries which have a governmental social security. Most of them pay peanuts to their pensioners, public hospitals are not working etc. and the money coming in gets redirected to compensate their own economic errors and fill up the holes. Again: I think public social security is a good thing. But it should not be abused by any overpowered government. And for that you need a society formed of strong and not easy to manipulate individuals which is able to restrict abusive behavior from institutions or governments.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2016, 08:53 »

Quote from: Tror on February 23, 2016, 08:13

Quote from: goober on February 22, 2016, 20:57

I must be the wrong sort of person for this society because this ad doesn't appeal to me at all. I feel like it is mathematically impossible for me to financially uphold every other person in our society. I would rather a firewall from society, as in the Gov gets 25% and no more. At least then I can plan and work towards the wellbeing of my family and those I care about rather than being lumped with the burden of millions of people.

I do not believe in the ancient, political categories of "left" and "right" wing or in terms of communism, capitalism, socialism etc. Those terms reflect a culture already fading in the past.

I do believe instead in self-responsibility. I fully agree with you. This means that I think any "government" should allow the individual to take as much responsibility for themselves as possible without interfering. This regards not only to economics, but also to drug consumption, life planing, censorship and choice of education etc.

I believe this is the way to go to develope a society wwith individuals which are responsible, educated, mature and resistant to whatever wave of radicalism and brainwash.

Please note that self-responsibility and a wide radius of self-development has nothing to do with egoism like it is practiced in current capitalism and is not at all opposed to helping each other. The opposite. Individual strength strengthens the community.

Current governments widely abuse feelings like patriotism or even the social institutions in their countries for their own, selfish needs. Look at most countries which have a governmental social security. Most of them pay peanuts to their pensioners, public hospitals are not working etc. and the money coming in gets redirected to compensate their own economic errors and fill up the holes. Again: I think public social security is a good thing. But it should not be abused by any overpowered government. And for that you need a society formed of strong and not easy to manipulate individuals which is able to restrict abusive behavior from institutions or governments.

Very well said.
Neither socialism (pseudo-communism) nor crony capitalism (pseudo-fascism) are the right answers.
Unfortunately the 3rd way is virtually nonexistent or not powerful enough to be heard or understood.

Look at the American elections. Democrats promote well most social liberties, but suck from a fiscal/economical point of view. Republicans have rather healthier views on economics, but suck big time from civil liberties point of view (religion, minorities, drugs, marriage, migration, abortion, etc). And their are all a bunch of warmongers.

For the time being you can only choose the lesser evil. Maybe our kids will have better choices.

Difydave · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2016, 09:42 »

Quote from: sharpshot on February 23, 2016, 04:55

In the UK, we have to endure listening to George Osborne telling us 'We're all in this together' while cutting taxes for the richest and taking money away from the poorest. He is a multi millionaire, like lots of the present government, how can they possibly relate to people that have to use soup kitchens to feed their family? I wish we had a real democracy, a government that represented people from all society. We lurch from one extreme to the other.

I've always said that if our vote actually made any difference to the status quo, they'd find a way to take it off us!
The whole system is run for the benefit of the few. Always has been, and always will be.
Having said that for all it's faults, some of the alternatives to our present system are far worse.

goober · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2016, 19:55 »

Quote from: Difydave on February 23, 2016, 09:42

Quote from: sharpshot on February 23, 2016, 04:55
In the UK, we have to endure listening to George Osborne telling us 'We're all in this together' while cutting taxes for the richest and taking money away from the poorest. He is a multi millionaire, like lots of the present government, how can they possibly relate to people that have to use soup kitchens to feed their family? I wish we had a real democracy, a government that represented people from all society. We lurch from one extreme to the other.
I've always said that if our vote actually made any difference to the status quo, they'd find a way to take it off us!
The whole system is run for the benefit of the few. Always has been, and always will be.
Having said that for all it's faults, some of the alternatives to our present system are far worse.

You're right. It could be worse. Unfortunately I think we're slowly heading towards worse. We're becoming hi-tech serfs.

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