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« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2022, 12:08 »
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?


« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2022, 12:17 »
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I was just searching for some illustrations to use for a project. If what I needed was done by a Russian illustrator, Id buy it. Russian illustrators or photographers likely dont want a war any more than US, or other countries do. As it turns out, a couple illustrations I bought were done by a Ukrainian artist. Thats cool!


« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2022, 13:02 »
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was  "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.

Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.

This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.

TRUE!!!

Exactly what I said, and for a referendum to be valid more than 50% of voters should take part.

Article 6 or Clanak 6 in Croatian:

Na dravnom referendumu odlučuje se većinom birača koji su glasovali, uz uvjet da je referendumu pristupila većina od ukupnog broja birača upisanih u popis birača Republike Hrvatske.

 or...

The state referendum is decided by a majority of the voters who voted, under the term that the referendum was attended by a majority of the total number of voters registered in the voter list of the Republic of Croatia.

43% turnaround is not majority of registered voters.

 

And here is the full law on official government site.

 

https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave


So what I stated is absolutely true, and by Croatian law that referendum was not valid.

If we wanted to exit EU and we had a new referendum with 49% turnaround with 100% of votes for the exit , the referendum would not be valid and we would have to stay in EU.


I can't find that. The only thing I can find is this from the Croatian Constitution - Article 6:


Članak 6. Osnivanje političkih stranaka je slobodno.
Unutarnje ustrojstvo političkih stranaka mora biti sukladno temeljnim ustavnim demokratskim načelima.

Stranke moraju javno polagati račun o porijeklu svojih sredstava i imovine.
Protuustavne su političke stranke koje svojim programom ili nasilnim djelovanjem smjeraju podrivanju slobodnoga demokratskog poretka ili ugroavaju opstojnost Republike Hrvatske. O protu-ustavnosti odlučuje Ustavni sud Republike Hrvatske.

Zakonom se uređuje poloaj i financiranje političkih stranaka."

« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2022, 13:49 »
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Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was  "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.

in the US almost all states have some form of referendum (first was in 1898) - here in WA we usually have several each cycle, some trivial, some major (eg requiring as supermajority to raise taxes, or capping property tax increases)  a major problem is they're not required to consider the consequences - eg stopping tax increase w/o balancing spending

REFERENDUM allows citizens to refer acts of the Legislature to the ballot before they become law.
INITIATIVES are direct action by citizens. eg, Washington (w CO) became first states to legalize marijuana; and approved same sex marriage)

« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2022, 15:09 »
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Sometimes dictators are put in power with a coup, but unfortunately, sometimes they are elected (Ex: Putin, Trump). You just have to get rid of them ASAP !!

Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was  "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.

Do you understand a statement : 'If you don't vote to enter EU, you will not get your pension"."
A pension for which people payed all their life and which is their property.
Do you understand that's a blatant blackmail with threat to take peoples property if they don't vote as instructed ? Do you understand that is totalitarianism and dictatorship at its best and has nothing to do with democracy. 

Also in any law, an agreement signed under threat is not a legally valid agreement. An agreement signed using fraud or misleading is not a valid agreement. I can not force you to sell me your house for 5 Euros and if you sign that that's not a valid contract.

Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.

« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2022, 15:15 »
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Global central banks are the problem, not the Russian people.
Ban the banks and implement crypto payments

« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2022, 15:53 »
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?

Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?

« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2022, 16:14 »
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More bitterness I see. As I told you in another post, just get some rest. Don't forget to go to the bathroom before crawling in your cave, wherever that is. ::)


Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?

« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2022, 16:41 »
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More bitterness I see. As I told you in another post, just get some rest. Don't forget to go to the bathroom before crawling in your cave, wherever that is. ::)


Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?

I know you are crying right now and your hands are shaking. And I told you you need a doctor because your condition is really serious! I'm worried about you. Better cave than old car. ;)

« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2022, 16:55 »
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never.

I wasn't alive then, but I'm very very sure that's exactly what the Germans believed when they attacked Poland in 1939, starting World War II.

You know how that turned out. You also know how the Romans, Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and countless others fared.

But there is a striking difference. Back then, there was one losing nation. Today, because of nuclear weapons, it can hit all of humanity and wipe it out. You and me included.

I do not see a reason to celebrate!

« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2022, 19:52 »
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Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!

« Reply #86 on: March 07, 2022, 02:09 »
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Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?
Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never.

I wasn't alive then, but I'm very very sure that's exactly what the Germans believed when they attacked Poland in 1939, starting World War II.

You know how that turned out. You also know how the Romans, Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte and countless others fared.

But there is a striking difference. Back then, there was one losing nation. Today, because of nuclear weapons, it can hit all of humanity and wipe it out. You and me included.

I do not see a reason to celebrate!

1962 crisis. We were much closer to nuclear war back then. You could compare German invasion on Poland with invasion on Vietnam, Serbia, Syria, Libya, Iraq...

« Reply #87 on: March 07, 2022, 02:09 »
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Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!

Finland? It's not going to happen.

« Reply #88 on: March 07, 2022, 02:48 »
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Hi. In this situation, only one country will benefit - the United States. The weakening of the Russian Federation and Europe is what the states need. Already now they have received a huge influx of money from Europe. We'll see what happens next.

P.S. Russian photographers are not to blame for anything. The same hostages of the situation as everyone else.

If microstocks start blocking and deleting Russian accounts, then an inevitable decline and possible bankruptcies will come.

« Reply #89 on: March 07, 2022, 02:55 »
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2022, 02:57 »
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They don't have much choice now..

Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!

Finland? It's not going to happen.

« Reply #91 on: March 07, 2022, 04:23 »
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As usual from him an excellent article of Yuval Noah Harari on why Putin has already lost the war. Really worth a read

"Nations are ultimately built on stories. Each passing day adds more stories that Ukrainians will tell not only in the dark days ahead, but in the decades and generations to come."


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/vladimir-putin-war-russia-ukraine

« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2022, 04:32 »
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform. Where did they get these guys?

« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2022, 04:46 »
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform.

The guy is not wearing any uniform at all? ::) Might come as a surprise, but soldiers are not permanently glued to their uniform.

« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2022, 05:17 »
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Please keep the discussion civil.  I'm not going to ban someone or remove the topic because someone has a very unpopular suggestion/idea/ viewpoint. We still need to speeak with respect on both sides however.

Keeping this thread simply shows how many people are opposing such an idea (banning Russian photographers) and how unpopular the original suggestion / viewpoint is.

« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2022, 13:38 »
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Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform.

The guy is not wearing any uniform at all? ::) Might come as a surprise, but soldiers are not permanently glued to their uniform.
and in their earlier invasionof eastern Ukraine many Russians were not wearing uniforms

« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2022, 16:39 »
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia

Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state-controlled media (i.e. all Russian media), propaganda, and fake news machine.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 20:06 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2022, 17:16 »
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia

Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.

This is a good and consistent decision.

Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.

« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2022, 17:40 »
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia

Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.

This is a good and consistent decision.

Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.

And, to be clear, I interpret this as a decision of AS against the Russian regime, not against Russian contributors!

« Reply #99 on: March 07, 2022, 18:14 »
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https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia

Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.

This is a good and consistent decision.

Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.

And, to be clear, I interpret this as a decision of AS against the Russian regime, not against Russian contributors!

That's also how I read the announcement. However, Russian contributors will not be able to renew their subscriptions, not just because of Adobe, but mainly because Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal, etc are blocking Russian transactions.

Moreover, we should not expect to get sales from Russia anymore.

One more comment: Russian contributors can't get paid, for the same reason they can't buy Adobe products.

So the title of this thread is rather a moot point, for now.

The fact is that Russian contributors are paying taxes to the Russian government. If their content is sold internationally, then money from the EU, The USA, etc will be used to fuel Putin's war machine and his crimes against innocent Ukrainian civilians.

But this is a minor problem, compared with the way we continue to sponsor his war machine with the money we pay for his gas and oil.

« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 20:07 by Zero Talent »


 

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