Author Topic: Russian photographers should be banned! (Read 31351 times)

GrayMouse · « **on:** February 26, 2022, 14:10 »

I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

everest · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2022, 14:14 »

Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10

I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

GrayMouse · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2022, 14:20 »

Quote from: everest on February 26, 2022, 14:14

Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Russia will be excluded from SWIFT system, they will no longer receive money over IBAN. It is NOT hate, it is correct action against Russia.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2022, 14:25 »

Yeah, because them Russian photographers have been the most vocal when it comes to pushing for war?

everest · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2022, 14:30 »

There are many actions you can take against Russia or to support Ucrania but beggining to punish individual russian citizens that might be well against Putin actions is NOT the right way to go forward. Yes your proposition is a hate inducing one where you want to punish innocent citizens the same way Putin and some Russian have deciden to punish innocent people. Think and then think again before you start a discrimination action here in these forum.

What is next to start an action against all americans when they bomb some country, or europeans when they sell weapons to who they should not. Don't blow your frustrations to innocent people. As I said, there are lots of actions you can do right now. We don't need hate and targeting the wrong people right now.

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:20

Quote from: everest on February 26, 2022, 14:14
Take your idiotic/hate posts somewhere else. Thank you.

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Russia will be excluded from SWIFT system, they will no longer receive money over IBAN. It is NOT hate, it is correct action against Russia.

Wilm · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2022, 15:05 »

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10

I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Artists, photographers, designers and other creative people are usually the sort of people who generally do not support war, but reject it.

I don't want to have to read something like that here.

I am firmly convinced that none of the Russian contributors is in favor of this war.

I would rather express my sympathy to the Ukrainian image producers and contributors! And would be very happy if the Russian contributors would share this sympathy.

GrayMouse · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2022, 15:33 »

It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2022, 15:37 »

What about those Russians risking their lives protesting in Russia against the invasion? Should we punish them too?

Lizard · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2022, 15:45 »

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33

It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

Where were you were people from other nations were dying from someone else missiles? Or they are not people ?

Wilm · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2022, 16:45 »

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33

It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.

The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.

I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!

I do not feel safe at all!

I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.

It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.

We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2022, 18:12 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 26, 2022, 16:45

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33
It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.

The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.

I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!

I do not feel safe at all!

I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.

It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.

We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.

Wilm, all who support sanctions against Russia, should be aware that sanctions will always make ordinary Russian folks suffer (not so much their wealthy leaders), including photographers, including people who are against Putin.

This is what the chess world champion Grand Master Garry Kasparov, a Russian, asked YOU to support:

-Support Ukraine militarily, immediately, everything but boots on the ground. All weapons, intel, cyber.
-Bankrupt Putin's war machine. Freeze & seize Russia's finances & those of him and his gang.
-Kick Russia out of every intl & financial institution. PACE, Interpol, etc
-Recall all ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The new unified message is "stop or be isolated completely".
-Ban all elements of Putin's global propaganda machine. Turn them off, shut them down, send them home. Stop helping the dictator spread lies & hate.
-Expose and act against Putin's lackeys in the free world. If Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. Ask the owners & advertisers of networks platforming Putin propagandists like Carlson why they allow it.
-Replace Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can't save the planet if you don't save the people on it.
-Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It's time to fight.

Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far-right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US. They may have the right to support a brutal dictator's war in order to criticize Biden, but it's disgusting and anti-American. Do not forget.

Are you supporting the sanctions imposed by your government?
If yes, be aware that Russian photographers, may suffer too. Probably much less than the Ukrainian photographers.
If not, then what are you proposing to stop the killing of innocent Ukrainians (photographers inclusive)?

Because you can't be for sanctions in general, but against when it comes to people close to you.

It just doesn't make sense.

Firn · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2022, 01:37 »

Most sanctions will hurt Russian people the most. They won't hurt Putin. He is one of the richest people in the world, he has something like 200 billion $. He could pay his stupid war out of his own pocket, if he wanted to. So the one person who is repsonsible for this won't be reached/punished with sanctions anyways. Being in favor of various sanctions from other countries, but saying "No, don't punish the poor individual contributor", is, in my opinion, not thinking this whole thing through properly. That's exactly what these sanctions do: Hurt the Russian economy, hurt Russian companies, hurt Russian individual citizens, who will lose their jobs and so on. It's, in the end, not really all that different than the idea of banning Russian contributrors. I am not saying I am in favor of this. But I am not as outraged by the suggestion as some others here, as, to me, it falls under the whole "Don't do bussiness with Russia right now"- package and is not (at least I hope) an expresion of hatred, discrimination or racism.

That's basically the whole point of sanctions: Make Russian individuals and Russian companies unhappy, so they become unhappy with Putin's actions as they have to face consequences, not Putin, therefore putting pressure on Putin. Though seeing as Russia is not exactly a democarcy, I doubt it will have much effect. I am not the only one, many people don't believe the sanctions will have much effect on this war. Russia has enough money without access to its foregin accounts. It doesn't rely on this money to keep this war going. It just all just hurts the citizens.

If anyone of you here is supporting all these sanctions, like cutting off Russian people from foreign accounts, removing Russia from the SWIFT system, or even the halted certification of Nord Stream 2 - all things that in the end will hurt individual people who will lose their jobs, if you are okay with this, but the thought of cutting off individual Russian contributors is outraging you, then you don't understand that essentially it both runs down to the same thing and one is not worse than the other.

I don't have a solution here. I first thought that the better suggestion would be not to ban contributors, but to stop sales with Russia. Like this Russian contributors would still have their income, but we all, as a collective, would "stop doing bussiness with Russia" and that would be the moral better thing to do. But then I thought that, seeing as Putin already controls so much of the press and many Russian people are not properly informed because of this, cutting off Russia from a source of images from outside of Russia - images that could for example depict the war - probably also isn't a great idea.

ravens · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2022, 02:36 »

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10

I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Extremely stupid idea.

This hate towards regular citizens who have nothing to do with the war is unbelievable.

Do people really live for hating each other? Are you happy now that you have an excuse for bullying others?

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2022, 03:05 »

No do not do that.
I had a quick look at the Alamy, Shutter and Adobe websites. It cannot be concluded that there is a war.
A sentence like: We sympathize with our artists in Ukraine and Russia in these difficult times?

Maybe they can donate the money they earn from the Russian and Ukrainian artists to Ukraine.

changingsky · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2022, 03:56 »

Requests to sanction ordinary people there to force them to change the power are naive. The power there is separated and self-protected from the citizens. People have memory in their blood about the repressions, demonstrations shot, psychiatric actions, isolation, brainwashing, manipulations. The war will continue till the sides have their resources. In Russia government will not pay much attention to the people. Re-read the history. First priority there is the interest of those in power. Politicians of the world have never faced this level of threat of the red button even in the 60ths. The solution should be political and the war can be ended only when politicians find a solution, at least temporary for the moment.

S2D2 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2022, 04:50 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 26, 2022, 16:45

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33
It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.

The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.

I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!

I do not feel safe at all!

I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.

It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.

We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.

Bless you Wilm. You couldn't be further from a 'Nazi'. You are definitely one of the good guys in life.

A great post. I also think that generally on this forum, people listen to others, and reply in a balanced way.

With one or two exceptions, we are all learning from one another.

And well done 'Everest'. I think that's the highest 'likes' I've ever seen on a post on the forum

Wilm · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2022, 05:02 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 26, 2022, 18:12

Quote from: Wilm on February 26, 2022, 16:45
Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33
It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.

The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.

I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!

I do not feel safe at all!

I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.

It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.

We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.

Wilm, all who support sanctions against Russia, should be aware that sanctions will always make ordinary Russian folks suffer (not so much their wealthy leaders), including photographers, including people who are against Putin.

This is what the chess world champion Grand Master Garry Kasparov, a Russian, asked YOU to support:

-Support Ukraine militarily, immediately, everything but boots on the ground. All weapons, intel, cyber.
-Bankrupt Putin's war machine. Freeze & seize Russia's finances & those of him and his gang.
-Kick Russia out of every intl & financial institution. PACE, Interpol, etc
-Recall all ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The new unified message is "stop or be isolated completely".
-Ban all elements of Putin's global propaganda machine. Turn them off, shut them down, send them home. Stop helping the dictator spread lies & hate.
-Expose and act against Putin's lackeys in the free world. If Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. Ask the owners & advertisers of networks platforming Putin propagandists like Carlson why they allow it.
-Replace Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can't save the planet if you don't save the people on it.
-Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It's time to fight.

Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far-right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US. They may have the right to support a brutal dictator's war in order to criticize Biden, but it's disgusting and anti-American. Do not forget.

Are you supporting the sanctions imposed by your government?
If yes, be aware that Russian photographers, may suffer too. Probably much less than the Ukrainian photographers.
If not, then what are you proposing to stop the killing of innocent Ukrainians (photographers inclusive)?

Because you can't be for sanctions in general, but against when it comes to people close to you.

It just doesn't make sense.

I fully support the sanctions! And I am ashamed that the German government has hesitated for so long because it fears the economic consequences for our country.

The common people suffer much more under sanctions than those against whom the sanctions are actually directed. As Firn very correctly writes, Putin is swimming in prosperity.At the latest at the time when his luxury yacht left Germany in flight on February 9, it should have been clear that Putin would attack and before that he wanted to bring his "property" to safety. Property that was paid for by the Russian people.

Of course, the sanctions will also hit the Russian contributors. This is collateral damage that we cannot avoid. And the sanctions will also hit countless contributors from many other countries. Me included. I'm willing to put on three sweaters on top of each other if we don't get any more gas. I'm prepared to accept that inflation will rise dramatically because everything will become much more expensive. But we owe that to Ukraine, that's our solidarity contribution.

I just oppose the sowing of discord among us contributors, who are certainly not aggressors!

Brasilnut · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2022, 05:07 »

The only Russian contributors I would like to see banned (and for years now) are the tiny minority of copyright thieves and spammers.

The rest of the honest contributors not sure what purpose it serves to punish them for something they have no control over while they're trying to make a decent living.

Wilm · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2022, 05:10 »

Quote from: DO on February 27, 2022, 04:50

Quote from: Wilm on February 26, 2022, 16:45
Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33
It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.

The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.

I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!

I do not feel safe at all!

I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.

It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.

We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.

Bless you Wilm. You couldn't be further from a 'Nazi'. You are definitely one of the good guys in life.

A great post. I also think that generally on this forum, people listen to others, and reply in a balanced way.

With one or two exceptions, we are all learning from one another.

And well done 'Everest'. I think that's the highest 'likes' I've ever seen on a post on the forum

Thank you very much for your kind words, Debbie!

komikmiha · « **Reply #19 on:** February 27, 2022, 06:04 »

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10

I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #20 on:** February 27, 2022, 06:36 »

Quote from: komikmiha on February 27, 2022, 06:04

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10
I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Such idiotic statements I just can't believe it! Because of you I'm on Russian side now!

You don't really mean that. Also read the comments on this proposal. Hardly anyone agrees with this. But you're right that this could be the effect if everyone agreed.

trek · « **Reply #21 on:** February 27, 2022, 07:32 »

A return to a full cold war means cessation of all trade and commerce between opposing blocks of nations. Putin has factored this in and is prepared to export his energy and commodities to China and unaligned nations. Photographers and small business owners will find themselves limited to domestic markets. The image factories will probably find a way to transfer their digital assets and/or accounts to neutral nations. It's the little guys who always get hurt.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #22 on:** February 27, 2022, 12:04 »

Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 14:10

I hope stock agencies will do action. Russian photographers should be banned.

Only if they partake in criminally bad photography otherwise nope.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2022, 13:25 »

Terrible idea.

Putin's regime =/= Russian photographers

marthamarks · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2022, 02:46 »

Quote from: DO on February 27, 2022, 04:50

Quote from: Wilm on February 26, 2022, 16:45
Quote from: GrayMouse on February 26, 2022, 15:33
It's disgusting to support Russians. Yes, you are home, safe, while Ukrainian people are dying. A "collective responsibility" is unknown term?!

I believe that this is exactly what we should not think. Because a single Russian goes berserk does not mean that every Russian is a bad person.

The propaganda machinery in Russia doesn't seem to be informing the Russian people the way I would like it to.

I feel threatened by Putin to the most extreme degree. But I do not feel threatened by any Russian contributor. And I fervently wish that Putin would not succeed in dividing us contributors! And also not us as normal thinking people from different homelands. Please: All of you, help us not to be divided here. None of us creatives wanted this war - I am absolutely sure of that!

I do not feel safe at all!

I am German. I was never a Nazi. I have never discriminated against a foreigner. I will not discriminate against a Russian either. Or make negative comments about him because he is Russian. Because a Russian is no more a bad person than a Ukrainian or a German.

It is sad that Putin manages to conjure up exactly what is happening here right now. That is what he wants to happen. That we think badly of each other. That we are bad to each other.

We had a peaceful coexistence. Why he is destroying that, I don't know. He is sick. I hate him.

Bless you Wilm. You couldn't be further from a 'Nazi'. You are definitely one of the good guys in life.

A great post. I also think that generally on this forum, people listen to others, and reply in a balanced way.

With one or two exceptions, we are all learning from one another.

And well done 'Everest'. I think that's the highest 'likes' I've ever seen on a post on the forum

Thank you, DO, for writing exactly what I was thinking.

And thank both of you, Wilm and Everest, for your clear-eyed, non-hateful expressions.

Wilm, I happen to be a white woman with centuries-deep roots in the American South. But I never was a slaveholder. In fact, during America's unfortunate period of slavery, people just like me had only a few more rights than the enslaved blacks did.

I see this as a close parallel to what you said so very well.

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