This site use to be a very good place for professionals that truly wanted to educate themselves and others. Even Yuri would visit it occasionally.
Now it is nothing more than a bunch of crybabies! A complete waste of cyberspace!

Here are some of the most common cries-complaints:
1.   They 'REJECTED' my image. How dare they do that! 99% of the time your image just sucks and you cannot handle the truth.
2.   I use to make much more money than now. Yeah, like when there were only few hundred artists but now there are hundreds of thousands of artists that you cannot handle a thing called competition.
3.    No matter how hard I try I cannot improve my sells- don't you realize that just maybe you don't have the talent required for this business.
4.   I don't like the newer version of the company uploader or interface. Okay, go out and create your own company if you know it all.
5.   I don't like what Company X pays me. Than close your account and stop complaining.
6.   I am not getting any sales on Company X.  Duh, the 'Buyers' don't like your images.
7.   A lot of discussions end up in some insulting political form. My wife is from an Eastern bloc country thus the majority of your businesses not doing well is entirely her people's fault.
My final advice, if you truly feel it is buyers and companies fault for your poor images not selling than sell your camera and get a day time job instead of complaining on this site!

8. This forum sucks! It's not like it used to be!

9. People who go annonymous to complain about complaints.

Quote from: obj owl on February 05, 2017, 17:56
9. People who go annonymous to complain about complaints.

Lol.

Looks like the person created the account today to "complain".

someone should open account "StopReadingOtherPeopleComplains"

Is this part of your Festivus celebration? - the airing of grievances?

that list shows the op is very short sighted

Quote from: Microstockphoto on February 05, 2017, 18:54
that list shows the op is very short sighted

Is that an observation or a complaint?  Just so the op does not take it the wrong way and add it to the list.

Quote from: obj owl on February 05, 2017, 17:56
9. People who go annonymous to complain about complaints.

Oh, the irony.

Quote from: obj owl on February 05, 2017, 17:56
9. People who go annonymous to complain about complaints.

"Touché" 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Metabitching

The forum had less complaints before the sites started cutting the amount they pay us.  I think it would be a strange world if everyone was happy about that.  Go use the Stepford Wives microstock forum if this one is a bit too real.

Quote from: sharpshot on February 06, 2017, 10:47
Stepford Wives

shoot
keyword
upload
repeat

not much difference between a microstock photographer and a robot

Quote from: Stopcomplaining on February 05, 2017, 17:45
...A lot of discussions end up in some insulting political form. My wife is from an Eastern bloc country thus the majority of your businesses not doing well is entirely her people's fault...

I think I worked out who this is.

I'm sorry if you've taken offence at some of the comments, but don't you have a country to run?

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on February 06, 2017, 11:25

Quote from: Stopcomplaining on February 05, 2017, 17:45
...A lot of discussions end up in some insulting political form. My wife is from an Eastern bloc country thus the majority of your businesses not doing well is entirely her people's fault...

I think I worked out who this is.

I'm sorry if you've taken offence at some of the comments, but don't you have a country to run?

Do you really think he would go anonymous?

Quote from: obj owl on February 06, 2017, 11:41

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on February 06, 2017, 11:25

Quote from: Stopcomplaining on February 05, 2017, 17:45
...A lot of discussions end up in some insulting political form. My wife is from an Eastern bloc country thus the majority of your businesses not doing well is entirely her people's fault...

I think I worked out who this is.

I'm sorry if you've taken offence at some of the comments, but don't you have a country to run?

Do you really think he would go anonymous?

You mean like yourself as well 

Quote from: Stopcomplaining on February 06, 2017, 15:04

Quote from: obj owl on February 06, 2017, 11:41

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on February 06, 2017, 11:25

Quote from: Stopcomplaining on February 05, 2017, 17:45
...A lot of discussions end up in some insulting political form. My wife is from an Eastern bloc country thus the majority of your businesses not doing well is entirely her people's fault...

I think I worked out who this is.

I'm sorry if you've taken offence at some of the comments, but don't you have a country to run?

Do you really think he would go anonymous?

You mean like yourself as well 

lol. whats going on here? please stop now.

Quote from: Stopcomplaining on February 05, 2017, 17:45
This site use to be a very good place for professionals that truly wanted to educate themselves and others. Even Yuri would visit it occasionally.
Now it is nothing more than a bunch of crybabies! A complete waste of cyberspace!

Here are some of the most common cries-complaints:
1.   They 'REJECTED' my image. How dare they do that! 99% of the time your image just sucks and you cannot handle the truth.
2.   I use to make much more money than now. Yeah, like when there were only few hundred artists but now there are hundreds of thousands of artists that you cannot handle a thing called competition.
3.    No matter how hard I try I cannot improve my sells- don't you realize that just maybe you don't have the talent required for this business.
4.   I don't like the newer version of the company uploader or interface. Okay, go out and create your own company if you know it all.
5.   I don't like what Company X pays me. Than close your account and stop complaining.
6.   I am not getting any sales on Company X.  Duh, the 'Buyers' don't like your images.
7.   A lot of discussions end up in some insulting political form. My wife is from an Eastern bloc country thus the majority of your businesses not doing well is entirely her people's fault.
My final advice, if you truly feel it is buyers and companies fault for your poor images not selling than sell your camera and get a day time job instead of complaining on this site!

You forgot to add: It's 2nd of the month already. Why haven't I received payment from SS yet?

Actually i agree with the poster. I am not anonymous and i fund it also a pitty that it is only about how bad the business is. The forum used to be full of tips and information. Now the most popular sentence is race to the bottom. I think such things doesnt belong here and also it will not solve anything. I make a choice ...submit and do the best out of it or find other ways to make income from photography.

Anyway i dont think that anything is dying. Agencies are making more revenue than ever. So contributors should also. The thing is only there where years ago 5.000 contributors. Now it is 200.000. Free market. Nobody has a golden ticket to keep all the revenue. Everyone has the right to take his part.

Mirco

Quote from: MircoV on February 06, 2017, 16:34
Actually i agree with the poster. I am not anonymous and i fund it also a pitty that it is only about how bad the business is. The forum used to be full of tips and information. Now the most popular sentence is race to the bottom. I think such things doesnt belong here and also it will not solve anything. I make a choice ...submit and do the best out of it or find other ways to make income from photography.

Anyway i dont think that anything is dying. Agencies are making more revenue than ever. So contributors should also. The thing is only there where years ago 5.000 contributors. Now it is 200.000. Free market. Nobody has a golden ticket to keep all the revenue. Everyone has the right to take his part.

Mirco

I agree. There is legitimate criticism of a few agencies, but it gets drowned out because everyone is complaining about everything all time. Most agencies have't cut our RPD and are still able to grow our income. We need to focus on praising those that treat us well and criticise those that don't, instead of complaining about every little thing all the time.

Maybe just maybe if the agencies started treating contributors like people then there would be fewer complaints

People complain when they are treated badly

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on February 06, 2017, 17:45
Maybe just maybe if the agencies started treating contributors like people then there would be fewr complaints

People complain when they are treated badly

This is true but there just seems a general theme of catastrophe rather than a focus on the stuff we should be REALLY mad about

I still don't see how another thread complaining about the complaining is helping. There used to be another forum I used that was more positive but that's gone now. So what options are there?

I sympathize with the OP's comment about complaining.

But even if someone stayed completely positive, was committed to constant learning and improvement, happily accepted changes to processes and payment terms... in other words, did everything right with a happy smile... this gleeful contributor will still watch earnings slide year after year. 

That's my only real complaint against microstock.  It's a business model that chews up and spits out contributors.  The agencies make more and more money (bigger pie), while recruiting more and more contributors (smaller slice for everyone). 

Should I just stop complaining and quit microstock?  It may come to that.  But I think there's value in telling people who are just starting out that you shouldn't count on making a lot of money at this.  You may think that with 100 images I'm making 100 bucks a month... that means when I have 1000 images I'll be making 1000 bucks a month.  Nope, because while you're striving to get from 100 to 1000 images, your competition ramps up even faster, and you may still be making 100 bucks a month -- or even 50 -- with 1000 images in your port. 

It's all a numbers game you just can't win.  Even if you stop complaining.