Author Topic: The greatest woman ever Died today (Read 20918 times)

rinderart · « **on:** September 18, 2020, 19:24 »

Ruth Bader Ginsburg !!!!!! RIP. You will be missed terribly. She was a giant.

cathyslife · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2020, 19:46 »

A force. RIP RBG

Shelma1 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2020, 19:53 »

Heartbreaking.

marthamarks · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2020, 20:14 »

2020 just went from bad to over-the-top awful.

William Perry · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2020, 21:35 »

She was my law professor and I knew her. She got me into her Supreme Court argument in the Goldfarb case. She was a truly brilliant person/woman.

ShadySue · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2020, 13:15 »

z”l RBG

;
America: words fail me.

rinderart · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2020, 13:26 »

Quote from: William Perry on September 18, 2020, 21:35

She was my law professor and I knew her. She got me into her Supreme Court argument in the Goldfarb case. She was a truly brilliant person/woman.

Very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alexandersr · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2020, 13:42 »

R.I.P

marthamarks · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2020, 15:05 »

Quote from: ShadySue on September 19, 2020, 13:15

z”l RBG ;
America: words fail me.

A million thanks for your sympathy. Words are failing many of us right now, too.

The consequences of RBG's death were always going to be big, but it's the timing of it — happening at this already-fraught moment in our history — that make it 1,000 times more dangerous.

Nobody here knows what lies ahead except a political battle between entrenched tribal factions that could, under some scenarios, actually lead to a civil war. God help us.

William Perry · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2020, 18:43 »

RBJ and Conservative Justice Scalia were great friends. They had one point in common a reverence for the Constitution. Neither one of them would favor a Civil War or some of the extreme rhetoric “tear this country/government down”. Maybe there is more that unites us than we realize. The last Civil War cost more than 600,000 American lives. So we have to be careful with those words.

marthamarks · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2020, 22:44 »

Quote from: William Perry on September 19, 2020, 18:43

RBJ and Conservative Justice Scalia were great friends. They had one point in common a reverence for the Constitution. Neither one of them would favor a Civil War or some of the extreme rhetoric “tear this country/government down”. Maybe there is more that unites us than we realize. The last Civil War cost more than 600,000 American lives. So we have to be careful with those words.

I agree. And I am not advocating that we tear this country/government down. Exactly the opposite.

Still, doesn't it seem sometimes that we are still fighting over the same old issues that launched that Civil War 160 years ago? Unfortunately, neither Ginsburg nor Scalia is alive today to keep us from falling into the same trap again.

William Perry · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2020, 23:12 »

Nope. People forget that 600,000 lives were lost in the Civil War.

Moreover, was just watching RBG on CNN and one point was made: Ruth was seeking to build a consensus. Ruth understood the vital issue to go along to get along. Keep her friendships because although the conservative justices may oppose you on certain issues in other cases it may be possible to persuade them to come around to your side. The Decision in the VMI case, her proudest case, was unanimous.

RBG, unlike many recently, did not demonize the opposition. Trump said today that Ruth know how to disagree but not be disagreeable. She understood that even though Justices like Scalia would oppose her in many cases, both she and Scalia had one thing in common a reverence for the Constitution. When asked about his relationship with RBG, Scalia stated that some things are more important than votes.

Ruth would definitely oppose the extreme elements in the Dem party that want to tear the system down. RBG revered the Constitution and understood the very important point do not make enemies because in some cases they could become your allies.

Respect the other side was her motto even though you could vigorously disagree with them. Because in politics at the Supreme Court and elsewhere opinions can change.

Senator Orrin Hatch, no liberal, voted for RBJ at her confirmation because he firmly believe although a liberal, Ruth was appointed by a liberal President, Bill Clinton, and she deserved to get the job.

Wish we could go back to that standard today.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2020, 07:07 »

Quote from: William Perry on September 19, 2020, 23:12

Trump said today that Ruth know how to disagree but not be disagreeable.

That's rich, coming from Trump.

marthamarks · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2020, 11:58 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on September 20, 2020, 07:07

Quote from: William Perry on September 19, 2020, 23:12
Trump said today that Ruth know how to disagree but not be disagreeable.

That's rich, coming from Trump.

Classic example of "Do as I say, not as I do."

wordplanet · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2020, 12:02 »

Quote from: William Perry on September 18, 2020, 21:35

She was my law professor and I knew her. She got me into her Supreme Court argument in the Goldfarb case. She was a truly brilliant person/woman.

It must have been amazing to have her as a professor.

She was a great jurist. It may be a very long time before we see the likes of her again. Yesterday was a very sad and scary day for our country. Just when you thought 2020 couldn't get worse. She will be missed.

marthamarks · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2020, 12:37 »

Quote from: wordplanet on September 20, 2020, 12:02

Yesterday was a very sad and scary day for our country. Just when you thought 2020 couldn't get worse.

Exactly.

cascoly · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2020, 17:49 »

RBG was truly one our greatest, and along w John Lewis was desperately needed. Scary days ahead - the news was barely out when despicable mCconnell promised a confirmation soon (he doesnt even know WHO will be nominated) but as when most republicans who took an oath to consider the evidence in the impeachment trial, basic decency and truth no longer applies to the republican party.

Quote from: William Perry on September 19, 2020, 23:12

Nope. People forget that 600,000 lives were lost in the Civil War.

actually modern analysis puts it at 750K, but more relevant to current days is 2/3 died from disease! WWI saw 50% dying from disease (which incudes the influenza pandemic). oddly, about 20% died from disease in each other war in the 20th c - the biggest advance was recognizing and acting on the germ theory of late 19th c. This was achieved thru basic science and governments of both parties who took the advice of scientists

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Senator Orrin Hatch, no liberal, voted for RBJ at her confirmation because he firmly believe although a liberal, Ruth was appointed by a liberal President, Bill Clinton, and she deserved to get the job.

the actual vote was 96 to 3! (Scalia was confirmed a few years earlier 98-0 )

William Perry · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2020, 18:09 »

But Ruth also stated that she probably could not be confirmed in this political environment these days. The hyper partisanship means that great jurists cannot and will not want to go through the trauma of Senate trial. Not good for the country.

rinderart · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2020, 19:31 »

Suggest renting or watching the Movie based on her Life. brilliant. "On the basis of sex"

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #19 on:** September 22, 2020, 09:59 »

The Ruth Bader Ginsburg Doc ‘RBG’ Is Now on Hulu, not on Netflix. We just watched it last night.

"The 97-minute-long documentary takes a look at the life of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, known lovingly by her initials “RBG.” The film attempts to portray Ginsburg as more than just a iconic member of the sitting Supreme Court, but as a woman who helped forward the cause of the women’s movement from within the legal system."

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #20 on:** September 23, 2020, 18:55 »

The greatest? Not according to snopes.

ShadySue · « **Reply #21 on:** September 23, 2020, 19:48 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on September 23, 2020, 18:55

The greatest? Not according to snopes.

I didn't know snopes commented on subjective opinions

cascoly · « **Reply #22 on:** September 23, 2020, 21:57 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on September 23, 2020, 18:55

The greatest? Not according to snopes.

link please - i found nothing but a link to a very positive article

gillian vann · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2020, 03:37 »

the rest of the world might raise an eyebrow at this claim, and perhaps offer up some alternative candidates for this title. but then again, when americans say "world" they mean themselves....

sorry for your loss, by all accounts she was an incredible woman.

Chichikov · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2020, 09:08 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on September 23, 2020, 18:55

The greatest? Not according to snopes.

Surely a great woman, but I never heard about her before… I know, I am ignorant…
What about Marie Curie, Harriet Tubman, Mother Teresa, Joan of Arc, Emily Dickinson, Cleopatra, Amelia Earhart, Eva Peron, Rosa Parks, Olympe de Gouges and thousands of other “greatest women ever”?

Oh, and Her Majesty the Queen, of course!
lol

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2020, 09:16 »

Great woman indeed. But, I don't know why she didn't retire when there could have been a replacement appointed that would have cemented the progress she helped usher in. I fear this has happened at the worst possible time. Does anyone know why she held on for so long?

marthamarks · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2020, 15:20 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 05, 2020, 09:16

Great woman indeed. But, I don't know why she didn't retire when there could have been a replacement appointed that would have cemented the progress she helped usher in. I fear this has happened at the worst possible time. Does anyone know why she held on for so long?

That's my feeling too.

Back in 2014, when Obama was in the W.H. and the Dems still controlled the Senate, I went nearly berserk when the Notorious RBG insisted on staying longer at the Supreme Court. She was already 81 and had survived several cancer treatments, not to mention other lesser ailments of old age.

That would have been the time for her to retire in glory, at the height of her power, knowing her legacy was safe. Now, with her death, we Americans face an atrocious rollback of all the things RBG brought or preserved for us, including a woman's right to control her own body, the right for gays to marry, voting rights for minorities, environmental protections, etc.

My theory as to why she stuck around too long: ego. Pure and simple.

And as for the "greatest woman who ever lived." Hyperbole much?

For all kinds of reasons, this is a grim time in America.

cascoly · « **Reply #27 on:** October 05, 2020, 17:32 »

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #28 on:** October 06, 2020, 06:42 »

Quote from: marthamarks on October 05, 2020, 15:20

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 05, 2020, 09:16
Great woman indeed. But, I don't know why she didn't retire when there could have been a replacement appointed that would have cemented the progress she helped usher in. I fear this has happened at the worst possible time. Does anyone know why she held on for so long?

That's my feeling too.

Back in 2014, when Obama was in the W.H. and the Dems still controlled the Senate, I went nearly berserk when the Notorious RBG insisted on staying longer at the Supreme Court. She was already 81 and had survived several cancer treatments, not to mention other lesser ailments of old age.

That would have been the time for her to retire in glory, at the height of her power, knowing her legacy was safe. Now, with her death, we Americans face an atrocious rollback of all the things RBG brought or preserved for us, including a woman's right to control her own body, the right for gays to marry, voting rights for minorities, environmental protections, etc.

My theory as to why she stuck around too long: ego. Pure and simple.

And as for the "greatest woman who ever lived." Hyperbole much?

For all kinds of reasons, this is a grim time in America.

I really can't understand it, what a shame. Such an intelligent woman. I guess it is just one of the problems with lifetime appointments. Maybe she just wasn't able to think clearly with health issues and faced with her own mortality.

I hope we are still praising her achievements in a decade and we haven't forgotten because they have all been rolled back, thanks in part her not steppoing down when she should have.

Anyway RIP, she still did more good than most

Shelma1 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 06, 2020, 09:29 »

....or maybe she was excited to be serving under the first black POTUS, when it seemed our country had finally stepped into the 21st century, and the world was optimistic about the direction the U.S. was heading, and we all looked forward to the first female POTUS, and she wanted to be on the court when that happened. It would have been an exciting time for women, with HRC in the white house and RBG on the supreme court.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #30 on:** October 06, 2020, 09:43 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 05, 2020, 09:16

Great woman indeed. But, I don't know why she didn't retire when there could have been a replacement appointed that would have cemented the progress she helped usher in. I fear this has happened at the worst possible time. Does anyone know why she held on for so long?

Maybe she thought he battle wasn't done yet and there was more to be accomplished, and that was her personal life mission. I suppose anyone can make their own guess, political or for gender biased reasons, but I'd think she was a fighter and wasn't going to quit fighting until the end. Call that whatever you want. Our country was fortunate to have a person such as her, serving us and keeping balance, while stepping up to adjust historic imbalances in the law or interpretation. And not just issues of gender equality!

Maybe in all the news and reviews of her career, someone will actually have the answer, in her own words. I'm confident the question was asked while Obama was in office.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #31 on:** October 06, 2020, 13:57 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 06, 2020, 09:29

....or maybe she was excited to be serving under the first black POTUS, when it seemed our country had finally stepped into the 21st century, and the world was optimistic about the direction the U.S. was heading, and we all looked forward to the first female POTUS, and she wanted to be on the court when that happened. It would have been an exciting time for women, with HRC in the white house and RBG on the supreme court.

Actually you're right. With hindsight it's easy to say she should have retired but there very well could have been another Democrat in after Obama. Just a shame things have worked out like they have.

Horizon · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2020, 15:11 »

I didnt know her too much and she wasnt a leader as such but as politicians and leaders I can mention two whom I think was greater on a global scale and world issues, Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi and well some lefties will be crying but even Maggie ( who sometimes had warped ideas) but as a leader on global diplomacy and efficiensy she was faultless!

marthamarks · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2020, 21:59 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 06, 2020, 13:57

With hindsight it's easy to say she should have retired but there very well could have been another Democrat in after Obama.

Actually, history doesn't support that argument. Neither one of America's main political parties tends to hold the presidency for more than two terms in a row.

There are exceptions, of course (Reagan's 2 terms + GHW Bush's 1 term), but generally you'll find a long-established pattern of two terms/eight years of one party followed by two terms/eight years of the other.

I have a strong hunch that Justice Ginsburg knew that.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2020, 22:25 »

Quote from: marthamarks on October 07, 2020, 21:59

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 06, 2020, 13:57
With hindsight it's easy to say she should have retired but there very well could have been another Democrat in after Obama.

Actually, history doesn't support that argument. Neither one of America's main political parties tends to hold the presidency for more than two terms in a row.

There are exceptions, of course (Reagan's 2 terms + GHW Bush's 1 term), but generally you'll find a long-established pattern of two terms/eight years of one party followed by two terms/eight years of the other.

I have a strong hunch that Justice Ginsburg knew that.

Yet HRC won by almost 3 million votes. The country wanted another Democratic POTUS. Hanging chads, the supreme court and the electoral college have handed the presidency to losers. The Democratic party needs to grow a freaking backbone and fight like h*ll against the gross unfairness that leads to these outcomes. At this point only 29% of registered voters are Republican. Don’t blame Ginsburg for the nefarious machinations of the Republican party. Point the blame for this farce of a presidency and a stacked supreme court where it belongs.

Horizon · « **Reply #35 on:** October 08, 2020, 05:14 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 22:25

Quote from: marthamarks on October 07, 2020, 21:59
Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 06, 2020, 13:57
With hindsight it's easy to say she should have retired but there very well could have been another Democrat in after Obama.

Actually, history doesn't support that argument. Neither one of America's main political parties tends to hold the presidency for more than two terms in a row.

There are exceptions, of course (Reagan's 2 terms + GHW Bush's 1 term), but generally you'll find a long-established pattern of two terms/eight years of one party followed by two terms/eight years of the other.

I have a strong hunch that Justice Ginsburg knew that.

Yet HRC won by almost 3 million votes. The country wanted another Democratic POTUS. Hanging chads, the supreme court and the electoral college have handed the presidency to losers. The Democratic party needs to grow a freaking backbone and fight like h*ll against the gross unfairness that leads to these outcomes. At this point only 29% of registered voters are Republican. Don’t blame Ginsburg for the nefarious machinations of the Republican party. Point the blame for this farce of a presidency and a stacked supreme court where it belongs.

Dead right you are!..problem is the Democratic party and its the same with Labour in England. They are lost for leaders! Just look at them now with a "demented" Biden who is just a compromise to a real leader and its the same with this weird guy Keir Starmer in England. Losers.

marthamarks · « **Reply #36 on:** October 08, 2020, 10:14 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 22:25

Don’t blame Ginsburg for the nefarious machinations of the Republican party. Point the blame for this farce of a presidency and a stacked supreme court where it belongs.

Ummmm, I'm not blaming Ginsburg for any nefarious machinations by anybody.

I'm simply pointing out the historical pattern, which has held true long before this farce of a presidency began.

cathyslife · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2020, 12:43 »

Quote from: Horizon on October 08, 2020, 05:14

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 22:25
Quote from: marthamarks on October 07, 2020, 21:59
Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 06, 2020, 13:57
With hindsight it's easy to say she should have retired but there very well could have been another Democrat in after Obama.

Actually, history doesn't support that argument. Neither one of America's main political parties tends to hold the presidency for more than two terms in a row.

There are exceptions, of course (Reagan's 2 terms + GHW Bush's 1 term), but generally you'll find a long-established pattern of two terms/eight years of one party followed by two terms/eight years of the other.

I have a strong hunch that Justice Ginsburg knew that.

Yet HRC won by almost 3 million votes. The country wanted another Democratic POTUS. Hanging chads, the supreme court and the electoral college have handed the presidency to losers. The Democratic party needs to grow a freaking backbone and fight like h*ll against the gross unfairness that leads to these outcomes. At this point only 29% of registered voters are Republican. Don’t blame Ginsburg for the nefarious machinations of the Republican party. Point the blame for this farce of a presidency and a stacked supreme court where it belongs.

Dead right you are!..problem is the Democratic party and its the same with Labour in England. They are lost for leaders! Just look at them now with a "demented" Biden who is just a compromise to a real leader and its the same with this weird guy Keir Starmer in England. Losers.

Why are you calling him “demented”? You sound like Trump, calling everyone names. “Sleepy Joe” 😡 He has overcome a lifelong stutter, so he speaks carefully. That doesn’t make him demented. He’s a helluva lot more presidential than Trump.

cathyslife · « **Reply #38 on:** October 10, 2020, 16:38 »

cascoly · « **Reply #39 on:** October 10, 2020, 17:52 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 22:25

Yet HRC won by almost 3 million votes. The country wanted another Democratic POTUS. Hanging chads, the supreme court and the electoral college have handed the presidency to losers. The Democratic party needs to grow a freaking backbone and fight like h*ll against the gross unfairness that leads to these outcomes. At this point only 29% of registered voters are Republican. Don’t blame Ginsburg for the nefarious machinations of the Republican party. Point the blame for this farce of a presidency and a stacked supreme court where it belongs.

exactly! and of course we have the spineless concession that resulted in Bush V Gore - i admired Scalia tho disagreed with most of his decisions, but BvG was utter hypocrisy

cascoly · « **Reply #40 on:** October 10, 2020, 18:09 »

Quote from: marthamarks on October 07, 2020, 21:59

Actually, history doesn't support that argument. Neither one of America's main political parties tends to hold the presidency for more than two terms in a row.

There are exceptions, of course (Reagan's 2 terms + GHW Bush's 1 term), but generally you'll find a long-established pattern of two terms/eight years of one party followed by two terms/eight years of the other.

it's really a recent phenom -- most of the time one party held power for a decade or more

1801-1849 Jefferson to Polk 1801-1849 (48 yrs)
1853-1861 Pierce & Buchanan (who happily relinquishes the title of 'worst president ever') (8yrs)
1861-1885 Lincoln to Arthur (24 yrs)
1897-1913 McKinley - Taft (16 yrs)
1921-1933 Harding - Hoover (12 yrs)
1933-1953 FDR-Truman (20 yrs)

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