And if you think a part of a country can liberate themselves by an uprise, as the west of Ukraine did, then I would imagine you will stand also with the basks and catalonian people in Spain, the Vlemish people in Belgium, the Northern Italians in Italy,  the Irish, the Scottish people, people in Cyprus, and I guess there will also be certain groups of people that would like to distance themselves from the federal government in the USA. But somehow when it's not to your liking then that freedom's stride is not acknowledged or is it? That is called hypocrisy in my opinion.

Ukraine was de-facto a Russian colony, with a Russian puppet as a president.

When Ghandi's uprising got rid of the British colonialism in India, was that a coup?

The Euromaidan was less violent that what Romanians did when they killed Ceauşescu in 1989 to get rid of communism and russian influence. Was that a coup?

It was less violent than what the russians did in 1918, when they massacred the imperial family. Was that a coup?

It was less violent than what the Americans did when they gained their independence from the British colonialism. Was that a coup?

It was less violent than what the French did when they chopped the King's head. Was that a coup?

In 2014, Yanukovych fled, unharmed, to Russia where he continues to live a happy life even today. Why was this a coup?

Moreover, popular uprisings, manifested through massive demonstrations, led to resignations of those in power in several other cases, in modern days. Are all these coups, by your definition?

No foreign power invaded Spain, Italy or Belgium to restore order.
Regional differences are everywhere. Nothing justifies an invasion, killings, rape, plunder and terror.

PS. remember that another pro-EU president, Yushchenko, was poisoned with dioxin, obviously by the russians who grew upset to see their colony attempting to gain its independence. Shouldn't this murder attempt alone warrant a popular uprising?

So, in fact, in 2013 and 2014 there were no mass voluntary protests of residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions against the EU or NATO. Any large-scale rallies there were gathered only by order of the directors of enterprises, who were afraid of losing their enterprises and losing their lives. In those areas, FSB agents have long been operating, who have promoted Ukrainians recruited by Russia to the necessary positions. Therefore, there is no need to refer to the people, when there was Maidan in Ukraine, no residents of the Donbass went there. In fact, the inhabitants of the Donbass are slaves who did not have their own opinion and were afraid to do anything at all (they could either be fired from their jobs or killed), because. This region was under the control of Russian agents.

Lizard, if you cannot distinguish terrorism and fascism from democracy, then talking to you is pointless. You are quoting Russian propaganda.

And Leaf, i think its about time to lock this troll factory orgy thing because we will end up on countries built on slavery, killing and keeping native people in reservation camps, always fresh European colonialism and all the beautiful things democracy has to share with communism. 

You don't see that often such a blatant example of #whataboutism as the one Lizard is making.

What he is saying is that Bill can cheat at his exams, because John did also cheat.
"Whatabout John"?

Wrong.

This attitude is normalizing cheating and this is fundamentaly wrong.

Cheating is wrong.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy.

You can't use whataboutism to give Putin a pass and normalize his terror, killings, rape and plunder.

You don't see that often such a blatant example of #whataboutism as the one Lizard is making.

What he is saying is that Bill can cheat at his exams, because John did also cheat.
"Whatabout John"?

Wrong.

This attitude is normalizing cheating and this is fundamentaly wrong.

Cheating is wrong.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy.

You can't use whataboutism to give Putin a pass and normalize his terror, killings, rape and plunder.

Which sentence I wrote is giving Putin pass to anything ?  I can easilly quote myself calling Putin an id.iot and Russia an aggressor multiple times for doing what they are doing.

Now, can you quote yourself one single sentence calling John a terrorist ? Once, for multiple invasions.

Should we all just be focused on Bill and let John do its thing with his killings ?

Or its alright, because John is an democrat ? We can focus on Bills obviously aggressive history but John killing 56 MILLIONS of natives is whataboutism and shouldn't be mentioned?

Well in that case ill be whatabouting without regrets.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 13, 2023, 13:46

You don't see that often such a blatant example of #whataboutism as the one Lizard is making.

What he is saying is that Bill can cheat at his exams, because John did also cheat.
"Whatabout John"?

Wrong.

This attitude is normalizing cheating and this is fundamentaly wrong.

Cheating is wrong.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy.

You can't use whataboutism to give Putin a pass and normalize his terror, killings, rape and plunder.

Which sentence I wrote is giving Putin pass to anything ?  I can easilly quote myself calling Putin an id.iot and Russia an aggressor multiple times for doing what they are doing.

Now, can you quote yourself one single sentence calling John a terrorist ? Once, for multiple invasions.

Should we all just be focused on Bill and let John do its thing with his killings ?

Or its alright, because John is an democrat ? We can focus on Bills obviously aggressive history but John killing 56 MILLIONS of natives is whataboutism and shouldn't be mentioned?

Well in that case ill be whatabouting without regrets.

No, read what I said above.
Cheating is wrong.
Nobody gets a pass for cheating. Neither Bill nor John.

Now, besides Putin being an idiot, can we agree that what russia is doing to Ukraine is an unjustifiable abomination?
Terror, beheadings of pow, torture, killings of innocent civilians (women and children inclusive), rape, deportation of children, plunder?

Yes, as I said. Nobody is getting a pass.

Rest assured that many Americans openly oppose such decisions and are actively fighting to prevent repeating such mistakes.

Way too often an anti-American sentiment is translated through whataboutism in a justification for russian atrocities, diverting the attention from the tragedy Ukraine is going through.

I'm glad to see that we can agree on something.

 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 13, 2023, 16:49

Yes, as I said. Nobody is getting a pass.

Rest assured that many Americans openly oppose such decisions and are actively fighting to prevent repeating such mistakes.

Way too often an anti-American sentiment is translated through whataboutism in a justification for russian atrocities.

I'm glad to see that we can agree on something.

 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦

And most likely many Russians are opposing in any justification of this terror. There are just not enough of them and lion nations keep doing their job.

And the sad thing is that not human well-being but profit and mostly corporate profit is the main force behind genocides of any kind with puppet fools with their nationalism hiding behind patriotism dancing on that music.

Now that's your marxist ideology speaking. 

Way too few russians are opposing the war, since the brainwashing state propaganda and the state control over media don't leave too many options for the truth to break through.
There is no comparison between the debates in a democratic society and what happens in russia.
I hope we can agree on this.

russian imperialism and colonialism have deep roots, but today it is also targeting the rich eastern Ukraine and Black Sea resources.

Maybe not so much for corporate profits, since in a fascist state, corporations must obey their supreme leader, but rather for state profits, for the well-being of the rich corrupt state officials, and for the military strength as a way to consolidate their power long-term.

 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 13, 2023, 17:28

Way too few russians are opposing the war, since the brainwashing state propaganda and the state control over media doesn't leave too many options for the truth to break through.

As we speak Jack Teixeira was arrested for letting the truth break trough. Truth that slightly varies from "Jacks" propaganda. 

So, not really, I don't see to much differences in state controls just the names and methods are a bit different but aiming the same thing, to smash anyone telling the truth that proves his country runs on lies and propaganda and punish him badly as example for others.

Honestly I never saw an article in any American relevant media calling the veterans terrorists and murderers when returning from "defending" the country from some invasion on a weaker nation on the other side of the globe based on false evidences blatantly thrown in the face of the rest of the civilized word to justify that . I just see thanking them from their service. 

And if you see a different picture that's because you want to see the different picture. In the meanwhile you have a lot of interesting readings in comments sections of main European news sites to check what most of the 3. side people think about that in what we like to call the democratic western world.

Ooh, there is a massive difference!
NY Times, WSJ are running pages and pages about this story.
Something that you would never see in the russian media if this will be the other way around.

Fox News is ripping Biden a new one, and neither Tucker Carlson nor Sean Hannity are accidentally falling from a balcony.

That's the debate you will never see in putin's russia.
There is a massive difference but your anti-Americanism is preventing you from seeing clearly.

Anyway, you can't refrain from bringing over and over again your whataboutism in the discussion.

TODAY It's not about the USA.

TODAY is about Ukraine, about its independence and teritorial integrity being trampled by the russian invaders.

TODAY is about russian soldiers killing people, children and women inclusive, torturing, beheading, raping, plundering, and destroying Ukraine.

TODAY you must condemn all that from the bottom of your heart, instead of spinning and deflecting. Nothing is justifying what happens in Ukraine, TODAY.

I remind you that no American soldier has killed anyone during an invasion of a sovereign country, TODAY.

You will be perfectly justified to condemn The USA when an American soldier will do that.
And I'll join you in that condemnation.

"Former President Donald Trump was charged by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg with 34 felony counts for the falsification of business records "

One of those might be, who's going to be the Republican candidate in 2024? 

ps I practice equal opportunity, calling out politicians and hypocrites who follow party lines instead of minds.

How's Biden doing, within his own party?

Democrats were asked if they wanted another four years of Biden. 61% said they would prefer a new president; 38% said they'd welcome back Biden.

Kind of getting the feeling that no one likes anything anymore? Except being divided and hating the other side.

This kind of s. is happening in all western countries. USA is more scaring because of your weapons everywhere but most of elections at this time are Red Devil Vs. Blue Devil. I heard this joke in a argentinian documentary many years ago and now we all are in the same situation.

The Russian Federation is a prison of nations.

Today, the last 3 nuclear power plants in Germany were shut down.

You may think what you want about it (currently, according to polls, about 60% were against the shutdown at this time), but should take into account the following factors:

40% of the uranium imported in Europe comes from Russia and its ally Kazakhstan.
From Niger, from Canada and from Australia comes almost all the rest. The uranium there is often (70%) on the territories of indigenous peoples, whose health is damaged there and whose livelihoods are successively destroyed by mining.

Switzerland, for example, purchased most of its uranium from the Russian state-owned Rosatom in 2022.

Rosatom (founded by Putin in 2007) is the world's second largest uranium producer through interests in uranium mines in Kazakhstan, the U.S. and Canada.

The Czech Republic, Hungary, Finland, Slovakia and Bulgaria obtain 100% of their uranium from Russia. However, I do not know to what extent this has changed very recently.

Nuclear power and gas-generated electricity were by far the most expensive way to generate electricity in Germany - and that doesn't include the cost of thousands of years of storage. Wind and solar power are the cheapest.

By the way, in 2022, 33 of 56 nuclear power plants in France were idle. That�s why France had to import so much electricity. At 18 of them, maintenance is taking longer than planned, at 12 there are rust problems, at others electricity production had to be reduced because rivers were too warm. This also affects Switzerland, which has to import electricity in winter and now relies more on hydropower.
By the way, a record number of nuclear power plants will be shut down in the USA in 2021 - also because of more electricity from renewable energies.

Russia is a country that is extremely rich in raw materials. It cannot be in Russia's interest for countries that have been supplied with raw materials to gradually become self-sufficient in energy. Possibly, therefore, Russia is also "trolling" the greatness of nuclear power.