Ecological problems are a consequence of the existence of such fascist and totalitarian empires as Russia and China. Without eliminating the cause, it will not be possible to eliminate the consequences.
The EU countries relied on Russian gas and planned to improve their ecology. The war in Europe has led to the fact that the EU is no longer up to the environment. As I understand it, coal is also used to eliminate dependence on Russian gas.

Talking about the environment is certainly good, but not during the war. For some reason, these conversations remind me of ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand.

G20 Leaders' Summit, New Delhi
September 9 - 10, 2023

https://www.g20.org/en/g20-india-2023/new-delhi-summit/

Among the invitees we see Hitler of the 21st century, putin.
But what about the warrant for his arrest issued by the International Criminal Court?
I have no words.

 

It is the presidents of all invited countries who will shake hands with a war criminal, have nice conversations with him.
For what and for whom, in this case, is Ukraine fighting?

Quote from: stoker2014 on August 15, 2023, 04:31

Ecological problems are a consequence of the existence of such fascist and totalitarian empires as Russia and China. Without eliminating the cause, it will not be possible to eliminate the consequences.
The EU countries relied on Russian gas and planned to improve their ecology. The war in Europe has led to the fact that the EU is no longer up to the environment. As I understand it, coal is also used to eliminate dependence on Russian gas.

Talking about the environment is certainly good, but not during the war. For some reason, these conversations remind me of ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand.

actually 2.8 planet earths would be needed to satisfy the needs of the entire Italian population and instead 5 planet earths would be needed if everyone lived as a US citizen.

Surely the United States is the worst country in the world for environmental impact and destructive lifestyle for the planet.

Not that I like this,just reporting the facts.

I was in the USA, the cities have clean air. You have not seen what kind of air is in the cities of China or Russia.
Also, we are talking not only about emissions into the atmosphere, but also about environmental disasters that Russia commits.

Quote from: stoker2014 on August 15, 2023, 07:30

I was in the USA, the cities have clean air. You have not seen what kind of air is in the cities of China or Russia.
Also, we are talking not only about emissions into the atmosphere, but also about environmental disasters that Russia commits.

Did you miss the bit where the West gets almost all it's manufacturing and raw material extraction done abroad? That also outsources the pollution. Same as sending all that �recycling� to be dumped abroad.

Also you have to look per capita, not total. So even given the above, CO2 emissions per capita China=7.44 USA=15.32. (Surprised to see UK=5.60)

This is irrelevant to the discussion, but Ukraine is also grotesquely polluted in places (prior to the war) and needed a lot of help cleaning up, which I had some faith would happen before the outbreak of war.

It is clear that the population of China is much larger than the population of the United States. But where does China spend money from outsourcing (as you say)? China produces many weapons and sponsors terrorist regimes in other countries. And if he spent this money on treatment facilities, technologies? The same applies to Russia.
Yes, Ukraine was polluted before the war, but Ukraine is not an empire and Ukraine did not spend money on weapons, war, sponsoring terrorism and fascism. You cannot compare Ukraine with Russia or China. Ukraine needs to be accepted into NATO, the EU, invest in it and Ukraine will be cleansed.
Therefore, I write that it is impossible to invest in communist, fascist and terrorist countries and empires. These empires must be liquidated. If Russia and China break up into many new countries, it will be possible to work with these countries, prohibit them from having weapons, require them to preserve the environment, and only after that give them money.

Talking about the environment is certainly good, but not during the war. For some reason, these conversations remind me of ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand.

There is always war going on so then in fact we can never talk about the environment? I think there actually around 50 wars going on right now. But you don't seem to care about the other ones. You think the only war is in Ukraine. And you also forgot about the war in that same country before Russia invaded it at all.

SVH is right, there are many conflicts around the world.
What depresses me personally, because I know the country well, is the situation in Myanmar.
The military junta there is waging a brutal war against its own population, flying air strikes against villages, arbitrarily carrying out death sentences.
The whole thing seems to interest no one in the world.

If you can't stand brutal images, don't open the following link. Personally, it hit me very hard.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-junta-troops-massacre-23-civilians-including-monks-in-shan-state-resistance.html

That China and Russia support the military is not a big surprise for me.
But also Singapore and Thailand support the dictatorship against the population with their own weapons and money. Thailand, on the other hand, is courting Russian tourists and investors. The Russia problem is clearly more complex.

Somehow the whole world is stupid.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en

Yes, this is a very good channel on Twitter. I recommend everyone who is against the Russians to subscribe.

An article about how Russia conducts war, from the Chechen conflict. Seems to fit perfectly with what's going on now. Very disturbing reading.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-sep-17-mn-22524-story.html

+100
Russian orcs commit genocide in any country they are sent to. This is the Chechen conflict and Syria and Africa and Ukraine. The mistake of the US and the EU is that already in 1991 it was necessary to apply maximum sanctions against the Russians and liquidate the Russian empire. Impunity will lead to new crimes.

Ukrainian volunteers in the 90s helped the Chechens to liquidate the Russian occupiers.
Ukraine is not a small Ichkeria. For the second year in Ukraine, 500 Russian orcs are liquidated every day by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down two Russian Ka-52 "Alligator" helicopters. 

Yes, it's completely the other way around, if you paid any attention for the past 2 years.

russia is waging a real war, not a cold one.

As I understand it, China is killing hundreds of thousands of Americans with lethal drugs. And the same drugs are also supplied to the EU countries.
China should be subject to the same sanctions as Russia and North Korea. I believe that this is already a war with the use of biological weapons of mass destruction. Why is there no appropriate response to China's attacks?

�99 percent of the fentanyl is coming from precursor drugs from China, and then it�s manufactured by two cartels, the Jalisco and Sinaloa Cartels, and they�re the ones that are bringing it across the border,�

https://trone.house.gov/2023/01/08/chinas-role-in-illicit-fentanyl-running-rampant-on-us-streets/

China�s Role in Illicit Fentanyl Running Rampant on US Streets

Why is fentanyl so dangerous?
The powerful opioid is the leading cause of overdose deaths in America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/11/03/fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

Quote from: stoker2014 on August 17, 2023, 15:21

As I understand it, China is killing hundreds of thousands of Americans with lethal drugs. And the same drugs are also supplied to the EU countries.
China should be subject to the same sanctions as Russia and North Korea. I believe that this is already a war with the use of biological weapons of mass destruction. Why is there no appropriate response to China's attacks?

�99 percent of the fentanyl is coming from precursor drugs from China, and then it�s manufactured by two cartels, the Jalisco and Sinaloa Cartels, and they�re the ones that are bringing it across the border,�

https://trone.house.gov/2023/01/08/chinas-role-in-illicit-fentanyl-running-rampant-on-us-streets/

China�s Role in Illicit Fentanyl Running Rampant on US Streets

Why is fentanyl so dangerous?
The powerful opioid is the leading cause of overdose deaths in America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/11/03/fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

You are so a mental case that it's almost funny. Glad for you that you have your friend Zero backing you all the time. But djeezz how do you come up with this stuff?

Yes. We went from 'making precursor chemicals' to 'killing people' in one big leap.

But the truth is nearly 8 out of 10 medications have some component made in China - including chemo drugs, birth control, antidepressants, over the counter pain pills and vitamins, and medicines to treat diabetes.

People have to be careful of taking 2 and 2 and coming up with 5, because this is how fake conspiracies mislead others and cause a lot of problems.

I am not defending China, but we've missed an important step and that is the illicit drugs are made by Mexican drug cartels.