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« Reply #1225 on: August 28, 2023, 04:31 »
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Good news. The Armed Forces of Ukraine inflicted excellent blows on the Russian airfield in the city of Kursk.

Military counterintelligence operatives with the SBUs 13th Main Directorate set up a successful kamikaze drone attack on a Russian military airfield in Kursk overnight Sunday.
Kamikaze drones "destroyed four Su-30s and a MiG-29 aircraft. Also among the targets hit were the radars of the S-300 complex and two Pantsirs."
Almost all SBU drones reached their targets.


Glory to Ukraine!


Annie2022

« Reply #1226 on: August 28, 2023, 04:34 »
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Light-hearted video of Ukrainian soldiers wearing Hawaiin shirts to honor Maui, bopping to "What is Love".

 :)

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1695754622751658487

« Reply #1227 on: August 28, 2023, 08:03 »
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  you don't have to be an ethno nationalist to want to protect your home and way of life.
Exactly.

« Reply #1228 on: August 28, 2023, 12:59 »
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The Russian invaders have killed approximately 100,000 civilians in Mariupol, and this is a confirmed number.
Mykhailo Romanov, an expert at the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group, said this during the presentation of a legally substantiated submission to the International Criminal Court about the genocide of people in Mariupol by the Russian invaders at the Ukrinform press center.

"The number of victims in Mariupol is measured in thousands, tens of thousands. We were not able to establish an exact figure at that time, but we [calculated] indirectly, based on the deduction of those parts of the population who were reported to be evacuated or taken to the territory of Russia, or some other data that allowed to deduct this population group, from the total number of the population of Mariupol. And we got a figure of approximately 100,000 people, that is, these people were killed," said Romanov.

He noted that people in Mariupol were killed in different ways, methods, with the use of different weapons, but, in any case, those were murders.

"We took some of the episodes from our own database. This is what we collected personally, in which we are confident to a certain extent, as we tried to verify every fact we found in order to obtain additional evidence to confirm the existence of these facts," the human rights defender emphasized.

The working group, which consisted of the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group team and Mariupol citizens who had left, together collected information about the crimes of the Russians and wrote a corresponding submission. This large submission, available in Ukrainian and English, contains a lot of information about Mariupol, about how adults and children were killed there. It will be published and sent to the International Criminal Court.

The Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group is one of the oldest Ukrainian human rights organizations.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3754145-invaders-have-killed-about-100000-people-in-mariupol-human-rights-defenders.html

« Reply #1229 on: August 28, 2023, 13:26 »
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Some people here on the forum tell me that I do not talk politely with rashists and Russian trolls.
Look at the image, this is how you need to talk with Russians, and this is the only language they understand.
To date, Russian losses have amounted to more than 260 thousand people.

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #1230 on: August 28, 2023, 13:59 »
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Some people here on the forum tell me that I do not talk politely with rashists and Russian trolls.
Look at the image, this is how you need to talk with Russians, and this is the only language they understand.
To date, Russian losses have amounted to more than 260 thousand people.
You do know that nobody believes those numbers except for you and the propoganda machine of Ukraine. It is propoganda and not facts. The actual numbers are way lower but higher then russian propoganda brings it. Get some grip on reality here.

« Reply #1231 on: August 28, 2023, 14:13 »
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Pope Francis is a Rashist and supports Russians?


"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine reacted to the words of Pope Francis, who said that the Russians are the heirs of a "great" state, and mentioned Peter I, Catherine II and others in this context.
From the lips of the Pope, "imperialist propaganda" was sounded, with which the Russian Federation justifies its aggression against Ukraine.
The Pope addressed the participants of the X All-Russian Day of Catholic Youth in St. Petersburg on August 25.

In his speech, he said: "Never forget about the heritage. You are the heirs of great Russia: the great Russia of saints, rulers, the great Russia of Peter I, Catherine II, that empire - great, enlightened, [a country] of great culture and great humanity. Never don't give up this legacy, you are the heirs of the great Mother Russia, go ahead with it. And thank you. Thank you for your way of being, for your way of being Russians."

Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Nikolenko stressed that the Kremlin justifies the murders of thousands of Ukrainians and the destruction of hundreds of Ukrainian cities and villages with such imperialist propaganda, "spiritual bonds" and "need" to save the "great Mother Russia".

"It is very unfortunate that Russian great-power ideas, which, in fact, are the cause of Russia's chronic aggressiveness, consciously or unconsciously, come from the lips of the Pope, whose mission, in our understanding, is precisely to open the eyes of Russian youth to the destructive course of the current Russian leadership," Nikolenko said.

It is noteworthy that the information portal of the Holy See, Vatican News, posted the text of the Pope's address on its website, but this passage is missing from it. At the same time, the network has a video excerpt of the Pope's address with this quote."

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #1232 on: August 28, 2023, 14:23 »
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Pope Francis is a Rashist and supports Russians?


"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine reacted to the words of Pope Francis, who said that the Russians are the heirs of a "great" state, and mentioned Peter I, Catherine II and others in this context.
From the lips of the Pope, "imperialist propaganda" was sounded, with which the Russian Federation justifies its aggression against Ukraine.
The Pope addressed the participants of the X All-Russian Day of Catholic Youth in St. Petersburg on August 25.

In his speech, he said: "Never forget about the heritage. You are the heirs of great Russia: the great Russia of saints, rulers, the great Russia of Peter I, Catherine II, that empire - great, enlightened, [a country] of great culture and great humanity. Never don't give up this legacy, you are the heirs of the great Mother Russia, go ahead with it. And thank you. Thank you for your way of being, for your way of being Russians."

Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Nikolenko stressed that the Kremlin justifies the murders of thousands of Ukrainians and the destruction of hundreds of Ukrainian cities and villages with such imperialist propaganda, "spiritual bonds" and "need" to save the "great Mother Russia".

"It is very unfortunate that Russian great-power ideas, which, in fact, are the cause of Russia's chronic aggressiveness, consciously or unconsciously, come from the lips of the Pope, whose mission, in our understanding, is precisely to open the eyes of Russian youth to the destructive course of the current Russian leadership," Nikolenko said.

It is noteworthy that the information portal of the Holy See, Vatican News, posted the text of the Pope's address on its website, but this passage is missing from it. At the same time, the network has a video excerpt of the Pope's address with this quote."

I think the pope is a KGB agent. Don't you think so? :)

« Reply #1233 on: August 28, 2023, 14:38 »
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Some people here on the forum tell me that I do not talk politely with rashists and Russian trolls.
Look at the image, this is how you need to talk with Russians, and this is the only language they understand.
To date, Russian losses have amounted to more than 260 thousand people.
You do know that nobody believes those numbers except for you and the propoganda machine of Ukraine. It is propoganda and not facts. The actual numbers are way lower but higher then russian propoganda brings it. Get some grip on reality here.

I had questioned and researched these figures. They are correct. Only stocker's wording, which he always used, is not correct. The 250,000 casualties are not "eliminated" Russian soldiers, but those who were either killed or wounded so badly that they could no longer fight.

Nevertheless, Putin will eventually have a problem explaining to the relatives mothers and fathers that it was not a war but a "military operation" that resulted in 250,000 dead and severely wounded. That shortly every 500th Russian has taken personal damage. You can't just brush that off.

« Reply #1234 on: August 28, 2023, 15:10 »
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To date, the losses of the Russians are more than 260 thousand people. In fact, the losses of the Russians are greater, you can multiply the figure of 260 thousand by 1.5 times. I read that the statistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are based only on confirmed data, which means that they do not take into account all the losses of the Russians.
But I brought this image in order to show that the Russians understand only the language of force. Dialogue with the Russians can only be firepower, they do not understand anything else.

« Reply #1235 on: August 29, 2023, 03:13 »
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So, the statements of Pope Francis indicate that the Catholic Church supports the Russian Naz.is. This is a serious blow to democracy around the world.
I don't see Catholic protests against such a Pope.

« Reply #1236 on: August 29, 2023, 12:46 »
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The scandal intensifies, there is only one conclusion, Pope Francis supports evil. This will cause even more damage to the declining Catholic Church.

« Reply #1237 on: August 29, 2023, 12:52 »
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/29/pope-russia-ukraine-war-vatican-imperial/690bee5a-4652-11ee-b76b-0b6e5e92090d_story.html

Vatican seeks to tamp down outrage over pope's words of praise for Russian imperial past

VATICAN CITY The Vatican on Tuesday sought to tamp down an uproar that erupted after Pope Francis praised Russias imperialist past during a video conference with Russian Catholic youths, insisting that he never intended to encourage modern-day Russian aggression in Ukraine.

The Vatican spokesman, Matteo Bruni, said Francis merely wanted to praise the positive aspects of Russias spiritual and cultural history when he exalted Russias imperial rulers Peter and Catherine the Great, encouraged young people to remember that past and praised their way of being Russian.

Francis certainly didnt want to exalt imperialistic logic or government personalities, who were cited to indicate certain historic periods of reference, Bruni said in a statement.

The Vatican, and before it the Holy Sees embassy in Ukraine, spoke out after Ukraines Greek Catholic leader, His Beatitude Sviatoslav Shevchuk, bitterly complained about Francis remarks. The Vatican never published the comments, but they were shared on social media following Francis video conference with a Catholic youth encounter Friday in St. Petersburg.

Francis delivered a prepared text in which he encouraged the young Russians to be artisans of peace and to sow reconciliation in this winter of war. But in his off-the-cuff remarks, Francis told the young Russians to always remember their past.

Never forget your inheritance. You are the heirs of the great Russia. The great Russia of the saints, of the kings, of the great Russia of Peter the Great, of Catherine II, that great imperial Russia, cultivated, with so much culture and humanity, Francis said, according to the video clip. Never forget this inheritance. You are the heirs of the great Mother Russia, go forward. And thank you. Thank you for your way of being, for your way of being Russian.

Shevchuk, who has frequently spoken out to complain about Francis interventions about Russia, issued a blistering reply. He said the reference to Russias imperial leaders refer to the worst example of Russian imperialism and extreme nationalism.

We fear that those words are understood by some as an encouragement of precisely this nationalism and imperialism, which is the real cause of the war in Ukraine, he said. War that every day brings death and destruction to our people.

The Vatican embassy in Kyiv said Francis words had been misinterpreted and distanced itself from such interpretations, saying Francis never encouraged imperialistic ideas.

On the contrary, he is a convinced opponent and critic of any form of imperialism or colonialism, among all peoples and situations, the embassy said in a statement.

Francis has occasionally enraged both sides in the war in Ukraine with his off-the-cuff remarks. He has seemingly justified Russias invasion by saying NATO was barking at Russias gates with its eastward expansion. At the same time, Moscow lodged a formal diplomatic protest when he blamed most of the cruelty of the war on Chechens and other minorities, in an apparent effort to spare ethnic Russian troops from criticism.

On Tuesday, the spokesman for President Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov, praised Francis deep grasp of Russian history and said Russian teachers and schools were trying to teach young Russians of their heritage.

And the fact that the pontiff, lets say, sounds in unison with these efforts, is very, very gratifying, Peskov said.

While Francis has frequently voiced solidarity with the martyred Ukrainian people, the Vatican has insisted it isnt taking sides in the war, in hopes of trying to remain a neutral player in search of peace.

« Reply #1238 on: August 29, 2023, 12:55 »
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/world/vatican-pope-francis-russia.html?searchResultPosition=1

Vatican Tries to Clarify Pope Francis Remarks on Russia
The Holy See sought to calm an outcry over comments that some critics said were too close to President Vladimir Putins justifications for invading Ukraine.

Pope Francis did not intend to glorify imperialistic logic in off-the-cuff remarks last week about expansionist 18th-century Russian rulers, the Vatican said on Tuesday, seeking to calm an outcry over comments that some critics said were too close to President Vladimir V. Putins justifications for invading Ukraine.

In a video speech to young Russian Catholics on Friday, The Pope intended to encourage the youth to preserve and promote all that is positive in the great Russian cultural and spiritual legacy, the Vatican spokesman, Matteo Bruni, said in a statement. Surely not to glorify imperialistic logic and government personalities.

At the conclusion of his speech, in which Francis encouraged young Catholic Russians to build bridges between generations and spread seeds of reconciliation, he invoked the legacy of the Great Russia of saints, rulers, Great Russia of Peter I, Catherine II, that empire great, enlightened, of great culture and great humanity.

Those comments appeared to deviate from his prepared remarks, which were released in a Vatican bulletin that did not mention the extemporaneous references to the two former Russian tsars, who invaded parts of Ukraine in the 18th centuries.

Those comments were immediately criticized in Ukraine and in other former Soviet countries. Mr. Putin, who compared himself to Peter the Great in a speech last year, has mentioned the idea of rebuilding the Russian empire in connection with the war in Ukraine, which was part of the Soviet Union until its collapse in three decades ago.

A spokesman for Ukraines Foreign Ministry, Oleg Nikolenko, wrote on Facebook that it was very unfortunate that Russian grand-state ideas, which, in fact, are the cause of Russias chronic aggression, knowingly or unknowingly, come from the Popes mouth.

The leader of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Sviatoslav Shevchuk, also expressed pain and disappointment over the popes remarks, which he said contradicted Francis doctrine of peace.

In the early months of the war set off by the start of Russias full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the pope was criticized for not taking a strong enough stance against Russia, apparently following  a standard strategy of the Holy See to avoid alienating any warring side before possible peace negotiations. But as the war has continued, Francis has reversed course and called Ukrainians martyrs in a morally unjust war.

« Reply #1239 on: August 29, 2023, 12:57 »
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Either Pope Francis is no longer friends with his head, or he does not know the history of imperial fascist russia. Or maybe Pope Francis is getting money from Russian Naz.is? There is information that the Russians sponsor the Vatican well.

« Reply #1240 on: August 29, 2023, 14:37 »
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So, the statements of Pope Francis indicate that the Catholic Church supports the Russian Naz.is. This is a serious blow to democracy around the world.
I don't see Catholic protests against such a Pope.

Sorry... I couldn't resist.
Uncanny resemblance!

PS. His praise for the russian Empire was unintentional. He regreted it after the bird has flown (just an example of how deep propaganda penetrates even intelligent people's minds)
« Last Edit: August 29, 2023, 14:43 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #1241 on: August 30, 2023, 03:11 »
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cwfe0DmtVya/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

China supplies the Russians with weapons. In the video, soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine found Chinese mines on the positions of Russian occupiers.

« Reply #1242 on: August 30, 2023, 03:18 »
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Good news tonight.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked Moscow, Oryol, Bryansk (three times), Ryazan, Kaluga and Pskov regions. In addition, Sevastopol and the bay fought off naval drones.

Attack results:

⚠️Pskov (airfield, ~700 km from Ukraine): four IL-76 military transport planes were damaged, and a military base was also hit.

⚠️Bryansk: downing of drones. One fell on the largest microelectronics plant in the Russian Federation, and the other on a tank for storing oil products;

⚠️Orlov, Moscow, Kaluga and Ryazan regions: enemy air defense was operating.


Glory to Ukraine!

« Reply #1243 on: August 30, 2023, 05:24 »
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Yes, the sanctions against russia are working
Financial Times:
"The EU is set to import record volumes of liquefied natural gas from Russia this year."
"EU imports of the super-chilled gas were up 40 per cent between January and July this year compared with the same period in 2021, before Russias full-scale invasion of Ukraine."
https://www.ft.com/content/1e70ff72-52d8-46b6-a8f4-fcc86fb88a6d

It turns out that the explosion of the Nord Stream is, to a greater extent, a blow not against Russia, but against Germany, which previously received cheap pipeline gas? Who benefited from the weakening of such industrial competitor as Germany?

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #1244 on: August 30, 2023, 06:44 »
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Yes, the sanctions against russia are working
Financial Times:
"The EU is set to import record volumes of liquefied natural gas from Russia this year."
"EU imports of the super-chilled gas were up 40 per cent between January and July this year compared with the same period in 2021, before Russias full-scale invasion of Ukraine."
https://www.ft.com/content/1e70ff72-52d8-46b6-a8f4-fcc86fb88a6d

It turns out that the explosion of the Nord Stream is, to a greater extent, a blow not against Russia, but against Germany, which previously received cheap pipeline gas? Who benefited from the weakening of such industrial competitor as Germany?

Again, yes, sucks that the West was prepared to compromise itself morally by turning a blind eye and buying so many natural resources from Russia and other countries that shouldn't be given leverage in this way. Sadly it means they are now somewhat caught in a trap while they transition away.

From the same article: The jump comes from a low base as the EU did not import significant amounts of LNG before the war in Ukraine due to its reliance on piped gas from Russia.

Im glad there is a free press in the West able to report these things, criticise and apply pressure for change. I hope it is a wake up call to stop relying on oppressive regimes in future (like, Russia, Saudi etc.) as it gives them way too much power. Long term renewable resources and possibly nuclear are the only solution.

EDIT: I was interested to look into this further. As implied by the "low base" phrase, total Gas imports from Russia (LGN plus pipeline) have  have plummeted (slightly older but to get an idea https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-gas-supply/ or https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331770/eu-gas-imports-from-russia-by-route/) but LGN makes up a larger percentage of that much lower amount.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 07:57 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #1245 on: August 30, 2023, 06:59 »
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Long term renewable resources and possibly nuclear are the only solution.
I don't have much confidence in renewable resources. Most of them are not environmentally friendly. For example, wind turbines in the US alone kill over half a million birds every year.
The future belongs to nuclear and thermonuclear energy.

« Reply #1246 on: August 30, 2023, 07:09 »
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Im glad there is a free press in the West able to report these things, criticise and apply pressure for change. I hope it is a wake up call to stop relying on oppressive regimes in future (like, Russia, Saudi etc.) as it gives them way too much power. Long term renewable resources and possibly nuclear are the only solution.
+100
All Russian gas and oil pipelines must be liquidated. Democracies don't have to buy anything from Russians. Any country that pays money to the Russians should be sanctioned.
Oil and gas are all good, but you dont need to buy these energy resources from the Russians. You can buy in the US and the Middle East, no matter what the price, the main thing is not to give money to the Russians.
The war in Europe showed that focusing only on clean energy is a utopia, so the EU needs both gas and oil, coal and nuclear energy.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 07:11 by stoker2014 »

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #1247 on: August 30, 2023, 07:49 »
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Long term renewable resources and possibly nuclear are the only solution.
I don't have much confidence in renewable resources. Most of them are not environmentally friendly. For example, wind turbines in the US alone kill over half a million birds every year.
The future belongs to nuclear and thermonuclear energy.
UK is one of the countries with most wind turbines:

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/how-many-birds-are-killed-by-wind-turbines-in-the-uk

"Few studies have investigated the phenomenon, but estimates suggest that between 10,000 and 100,000 birds are killed by turbine blade strikes annually in the UK.

Thats a lot, but its worth noting that approximately 55 million birds are killed in the UK each year by domestic cats. Nevertheless, research suggests there may be ways to make wind turbines safer for wildlife. For example, a small-scale study in Norway found that painting one of the wind turbines blades black, reduced bird deaths by 70 per cent."


Honestly its a non issue compared to birds killed by cats or by flying into windows, but should be (and can be) mitigated as much as possible anyway. Especially a non issue to the people pushing it into the press who frankly dont give a sh*t about wildlife unless it hits their bottom line.

The only reason it hits the headiness in the West is because of funding by gas and oil industry and various lobbyists/ think-tanks. I imagine living in Russia where fossil fuels are so critical to the economy you are also bombarded with the same kinds of propaganda 24/7.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 07:59 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #1248 on: August 30, 2023, 08:36 »
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I imagine living in Russia where fossil fuels are so critical to the economy you are also bombarded with the same kinds of propaganda 24/7.
+100
Russians are concerned about the number of birds dying in the EU and the US  ::). But at the same time, the Russians are killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in Ukraine, and are organizing ecocides in Ukraine. As a result of ecocide in Ukraine, a lot of flora and fauna are dying. I'm not talking about the terrible ecology in the Russian empire and how many birds are dying there. Barbarians and savages, what else can be said about them.
The future of the world's energy industry will be without russia.

russia needs to be disconnected from the global Internet so that the Russians do not export their propaganda and lies to democratic countries.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 08:41 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #1249 on: August 30, 2023, 09:05 »
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German politician steps down, exposed over painting swastikas on Ukrainian cars

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/baden-baden-afd-stadtrat-martin-kuehne-tritt-zurueck-hakenkreuz-auf-ukrainischen-autos-a-51f10c48-e925-4eca-ac4c-45ef82ac84ac

A deputy of the city council of the German city of Baden-Baden, who painted swastikas and insults on the vehicles with Ukrainian license plates, has resigned from his post.

The offender was identified as Martin Khne with the radical right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

For his act, he received a fine in the amount of 50 daily wages. The ruling is yet to enter into force.

Earlier this week, the public prosecutor's office in Baden-Baden pressed charges against the elected official for using Nazi symbols, which is prohibited by German law.

The politician did not comment on the accusations against him either to the public or to his fellow party members. In total, there were three deputies from the AfD in the city council of the resort town.

As reported, the incidents happened back in January and March of this year, the politician vandalized two cars with Ukrainian license plates, drawing swastikas on them and writing an explicit "F*ck UA" in capital letters. For his offense, the deputy was fined 50 days' salary (the exact figure has not been published) "for using paraphernalia of anti-constitutional organizations" and public insult, the Baden-Baden prosecutor's office reported on Monday, August 28.

The Baden-Baden City Council consists of The Greens, Christian Democrats, Free Citizens of Baden-Baden, Social Democrats, Free Democrats, and representatives of the right-wing populist party Alternative for Germany. The rest of the factions condemned the act of their former colleague.


 

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