Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 142664 times)

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1300 on:** September 04, 2023, 12:52 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 12:49

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:40
What the first map is shows is an average for each modern nation.
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Therefore, I say that in order to analyze the Russian empire and determine precisely Russians by nationality, it is necessary to analyze not all the occupied peoples, but only those people who live on the territory of the former Moscovia. But this card will not allow you to do this, because. this map thinks that many Slavs live on the territory of Moscovia. Science is good, but when it comes to russia, Russian propaganda is involved, and scientists give wrong results. Do you believe Russians? Who made this map? Who gave data on the regions of russia?

The average is not an average of "pure Slavs" with "pure Siberians" or "pure Germanics" for example. Each individual has a mix of multiple ancestries, in various percentages, including you and me.
That's something you didn't get.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1301 on:** September 04, 2023, 12:53 »

Zero Talent, re-read my first response to your map. I gave links to historical facts, and the facts are that Russians are Asians. There cannot be much Slavic blood in the blood of Russians. If the maps do not show this, then the Russians falsified them.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1302 on:** September 04, 2023, 12:55 »

Zero Talent, these maps could not have been made without data obtained from the Russians. Any data received from the Russians is a lie and propaganda. Do not believe these maps for the region of russia.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1303 on:** September 04, 2023, 12:59 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 12:53

There cannot be much Slavic blood in the blood of Russians. If the maps do not show this, then the Russians falsified them.

Actually there is slavic blood in russians. Less than in Poles, but there is.

Russian propaganda would never dare to say that!

These maps are not made by russians.
They are using ancestry data collected by American companies (23andme with Google as a shareholder, etc). Check the references on eupedia.com. These are reputable studies, with credibility beyond any doubt.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1304 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:03 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:59

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 12:53
There cannot be much Slavic blood in the blood of Russians. If the maps do not show this, then the Russians falsified them.

Actually there is slavic blood in russians. Less than in Poles, but there is.
These maps are not made by russians.
They are using ancestry data collected by American companies (like 23andme). Check the references on eupedia.com.
There are many reputable studies, with credibility beyond any doubt.

Of course, there is Slavic blood in Russians by nationality, but there is not much of it. This blood was given to them by those Ukrainians who were evicted to the territory of Moscovia from Kyivan Rus'.
You understand that any data from russia could only be obtained through official means. Do you think the KGB gave the US reliable information? Do not make me laugh.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1305 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:10 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 13:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:59
Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 12:53
There cannot be much Slavic blood in the blood of Russians. If the maps do not show this, then the Russians falsified them.

Actually there is slavic blood in russians. Less than in Poles, but there is.
These maps are not made by russians.
They are using ancestry data collected by American companies (like 23andme). Check the references on eupedia.com.
There are many reputable studies, with credibility beyond any doubt.
Of course, there is Slavic blood in Russians by nationality, but there is not much of it. This blood was given to them by those Ukrainians who were evicted to the territory of Moscovia from Kyivan Rus'.
You understand that any data from russia could only be obtained through official means. Do you think the KGB gave the US reliable information? Do not make me laugh.

Did you ever take a genetic test? I did. I also have some slavic ancestry.

You spit in a vial and then send the vial for analysis to a lab belonging to the American company.
So the KGB replaced the russian vials with a mix of Ukranian and Finnish spit, to fool the world scientists? Don't make ME laugh!

I suggest you take genetic test to see it for yourself. You will be surprised!:

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1306 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:13 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 13:10

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 13:03
Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:59
Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 12:53
There cannot be much Slavic blood in the blood of Russians. If the maps do not show this, then the Russians falsified them.

Actually there is slavic blood in russians. Less than in Poles, but there is.
These maps are not made by russians.
They are using ancestry data collected by American companies (like 23andme). Check the references on eupedia.com.
There are many reputable studies, with credibility beyond any doubt.
Of course, there is Slavic blood in Russians by nationality, but there is not much of it. This blood was given to them by those Ukrainians who were evicted to the territory of Moscovia from Kyivan Rus'.
You understand that any data from russia could only be obtained through official means. Do you think the KGB gave the US reliable information? Do not make me laugh.

Did you ever take a genetic test? I did.
You spit in a vial and then send the vial for analysis, done in a lab belonging to the American company.
So the KGB replaced the russian vials with Ukranian spit, to fool the world scientists? Don't make ME laugh!

I suggest you take genetic test to see it for yourself. You will be surprised!:

1. The KGB selected the right people for analysis.
2. These people were originally tested for the composition of their blood.
Or do you want to say that American scientists walked around the territory of the former Moscovia and random people spat into the vial?
3. Many Ukrainians and mestizos (a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian blood) live on the territory of the Russian empire, and there are millions of them. It is not difficult for the KGB to choose the right people.
4. The KGB does a lot of things that we don't know about here.

As for Ukraine, I have no objections. I see that the Ukrainians are Slavs, there is not only yellow refers to the Slavs.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1307 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:26 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 13:13

1. The KGB selected the right people for analysis.
2. These people were originally tested for the composition of their blood.
Or do you want to say that American scientists walked around the territory of the former Moscovia and random people spat into the vial?
3. Many Ukrainians and mestizos (a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian blood) live on the territory of the Russian empire, and there are millions of them. It is not difficult for the KGB to choose the right people.
4. The KGB does a lot of things that we don't know about here.

As for Ukraine, I have no objections. I see that the Ukrainians are Slavs, there is not only yellow refers to the Slavs.

Again. It's not a blood test, but a spit test.

So, the KGB hijacked the vials and mixed in the spit from Ukrainians with spit from Finnish people, right?
And the lab was unable to detect the fraud and the outliers, despite all their modern chromosome analysis tools, right?
Comon man!

Just do your own test and report back.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1308 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:33 »

Russia is a country that stole someone else's history and falsified its history. I am 100% sure that the Russians did everything to ensure that their false story was confirmed by false DNA tests.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1309 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:34 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 13:26

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 13:13

1. The KGB selected the right people for analysis.
2. These people were originally tested for the composition of their blood.
Or do you want to say that American scientists walked around the territory of the former Moscovia and random people spat into the vial?
3. Many Ukrainians and mestizos (a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian blood) live on the territory of the Russian empire, and there are millions of them. It is not difficult for the KGB to choose the right people.
4. The KGB does a lot of things that we don't know about here.

As for Ukraine, I have no objections. I see that the Ukrainians are Slavs, there is not only yellow refers to the Slavs.

Again. It's not a blood test, but a spit test.

So, the KGB hijacked the vials and mixed in the spit from Ukrainians with spit from Finnish people, right?
And the lab was unable to detect the fraud and the outliers, despite all their modern chromosome analysis tools, right?
Comon man!

Just do your own test and report back.

You don't read me well. The Russians didn't mix anything. They initially chose the right people for analysis.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1310 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:36 »

Zero Talent, it was a very interesting conversation. And your data is very interesting. And I also saw Russian propaganda, and it's good that I learned a lot of new things.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1311 on:** September 04, 2023, 13:38 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 04, 2023, 13:13

As for Ukraine, I have no objections. I see that the Ukrainians are Slavs, there is not only yellow refers to the Slavs.

Yellow combines ALL slavic ancestries.

You may refer at the blue part. That's not slav, but the neolithic Cucuteni-Trypillian culture, present in the area below, even before the Bronze-Age indo-european invasions (slavs inclusive)
Cucuteni-Trypillian culture was the oldest confirmed European civilization.

Cucuteni is in today's Romania and Trypillia in today's Ukraine, near Kyiv, where specific artifacts were found in abundance.

You may have some Cucuteni-Trypillian genes mixed with slav genes yourself.

Wilm · « **Reply #1312 on:** September 04, 2023, 16:47 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:03

Quote from: Wilm on September 04, 2023, 11:53
Very interesting website which I didn't know so far. Thanks a lot for this information, Zero!

You're welcome. Please take note that the Swedes and the Norwegians are more germanic that the Germans! 🙂

I'm happy to take note, but it's nothing new to me and it doesn't bother me.

I live here very close to a stretch of land called "Angeln". There is also "Haitabu", one of the largest Viking settlements of that time. The Angles and the Saxons are the ones who settled Anglo-Saxony - that where Great Britain is today.

My hairdresser is Syrian, my dentist is Polish, as is my orthopedist and the lady who cleans my office. One of my customers is Turkish, one Persian, one Eastern Austrian. I even have Bavarian customers... ;-)...

One of my parcel delivery men is Russian, one Ukrainian, one Iraqi. The cook in my favorite Italian restaurant is Tunisian, the owner is from Italy. I like to go to France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Denmark, Sweden, USA, Italy…

Two of my grandparents are from what is now Poland. Some of the ancestors were Huguenots from France.

I could go on for hours.

The world is merging. Globalization actually knows no borders. Not in the animal world either, by the way. Bullfrogs from America are displacing the local species in Karlsruhe. Lupines in New Zealand are displacing local plants. Sea spiders from Russia conquer foreign sea areas, etc., etc.

Whoever still believes that Germany must remain German, Russia Russian and Italy Italian…, has missed something. And who still believes that women and young girls are not allowed to have a share in education and culture, as well! We live today and not in the past. This "today" also includes a Ukraine and not a tsarist empire - by the way…

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1313 on:** September 04, 2023, 16:54 »

Wilm, you wrote everything beautifully and correctly.
I discussed the issues of Russian informational and historical weapons. For Russians, history and genes are weapons.
But where there is no russia, there is no lie.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1314 on:** September 04, 2023, 17:56 »

Quote from: Wilm on September 04, 2023, 16:47

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:03
Quote from: Wilm on September 04, 2023, 11:53
Very interesting website which I didn't know so far. Thanks a lot for this information, Zero!

You're welcome. Please take note that the Swedes and the Norwegians are more germanic that the Germans! 🙂

I'm happy to take note, but it's nothing new to me and it doesn't bother me.

Wilm, I never expected it would bother you. It's just a fun fact.
Counterintuitively, Bulgarians are "less slavs" than Romanians! Who would have thought? 🤔

Bottom line, no nation is "pure".

Moreover, pan-slavism, russkiy mir, pan-turkism or any other "pan" movement are just myths.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1315 on:** September 05, 2023, 03:02 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 17:56

Bottom line, no nation is "pure".

Nationality is determined by the predominant blood. No one says that there are nations in the blood of which only pure blood. It was only the Naz.is who promoted this.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1316 on:** September 05, 2023, 03:05 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 17:56

russkiy mir

This is not a myth, but a political imperial doctrine. It has nothing to do with blood and nationality. More details here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_world

Wilm · « **Reply #1317 on:** September 05, 2023, 04:17 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 17:56

Quote from: Wilm on September 04, 2023, 16:47
Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 12:03
Quote from: Wilm on September 04, 2023, 11:53
Very interesting website which I didn't know so far. Thanks a lot for this information, Zero!

You're welcome. Please take note that the Swedes and the Norwegians are more germanic that the Germans! 🙂

I'm happy to take note, but it's nothing new to me and it doesn't bother me.

Wilm, I never expected it would bother you. It's just a fun fact.

Yes, I know, Zero!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1318 on:** September 05, 2023, 05:12 »

Scholz blocks the supply of long-range Taurus missiles to Ukraine.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1319 on:** September 05, 2023, 09:14 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 05, 2023, 03:02

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 04, 2023, 17:56
Bottom line, no nation is "pure".
Nationality is determined by the predominant blood. No one says that there are nations in the blood of which only pure blood. It was only the Naz.is who promoted this.

Wrong. You are missing the point. The concept of "nation" only appeared in the late 18th century. Even today the concept of nationality is ambiguous. In some countries, nationality is determined by the passport and it's the same as the citizenship (like in the US, for example), in other countries, the nationality is determined by the mother tongue or the so-called ethnicity (e.g. the current president of Romania is a romanian citizen of german nationality)

Look at the maps I shared with you.

Most of Western Europe has predominantly Celtic "blood", and yet neither the French, nor the Spanish, nor the Portuguese consider themselves Celts. Portugal has the celtic "gal" in the name coming from the celtic Gauls, Spain has the province of Galicia, drawing its name from the same Celtic Gauls, the French official genesis relies on a gaul-roman mix.

There is no dominant Spanish blood, nor dominant French blood, nor dominant Portuguese blood. Instead there is a specific mix of various "bloods" in each modern nation.

Moreover, countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Albania... don't even have a clearly "dominant" blood. They are a melting pot of many other european "bloods", from this point of view, being among the "most european" nations.
Despite not having a clearly dominant blood, there is Bulgarian nation, a Romanian nation, a Serbian nation, an Albanian nation.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1320 on:** September 05, 2023, 10:25 »

Zero Talent, nation and ethnicity are two different things. Determining ethnicity from a passport is nonsense. DNA analysis can determine what ethnicity a person is. If your maps do not show this, then you need to look for other sources.
This is in scientific terms. And if you approach the issue from the point of view of law, citizenship in your passport refers you to a German or a French.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1321 on:** September 05, 2023, 10:28 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 05, 2023, 09:14

Most of Western Europe has predominantly Celtic "blood", and yet neither the French, nor the Spanish, nor the Portuguese consider themselves Celts.

If the French, Spaniards and Portuguese look different, then they have a different ethnicity. DNA analysis will show this.
If the French, Spaniards and Portuguese do not differ in appearance and their DNA analysis is similar, then these are people of the same blood.

Genealogical DNA test
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1322 on:** September 05, 2023, 11:34 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 05, 2023, 10:25

Zero Talent, nation and ethnicity are two different things. Determining ethnicity from a passport is nonsense. DNA analysis can determine what ethnicity a person is. If your maps do not show this, then you need to look for other sources.
This is in scientific terms. And if you approach the issue from the point of view of law, citizenship in your passport refers you to a German or a French.

You still don't get it. I never said that the passport is determining the ethnicity, or the other way around.
What I said that in countries like the US the nationality and the citizenship are the same, while in other countries, citizenship and nationality can be different, thus making the rather recent concept of "nation" ambiguous.
And I gave the example of Klaus Werner Iohannis, the president of Romania who is officially a romanian citizen of german nationality.

The maps above ARE based on DNA analysis.

Too bad they tell you a different story than the one you grew up with!
But these are facts, while what you learned from nationalistic history manuals is, to a large extent, just national myths or nationalistic propaganda.

Again, there is no French "blood", there is no Spanish "blood", there is no Portuguese "blood", there is no Italian "blood". Each modern nation has a mix of various "bloods", present throughout the whole Europe and even beyond.
Besides, the nations were not created based on "looks".

And one more time: do a genetic test on yourself, and report back your results. I am sure you are in for a surprise.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1323 on:** September 05, 2023, 11:53 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 05, 2023, 11:34

Too bad they tell you a different story than the one you grew up with!

I disagree with this statement.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1324 on:** September 06, 2023, 03:03 »

On August 23, while carrying out a combat mission on one of the directions of the front, the fighters of the 12th special purpose brigade of the "Azov", in order to improve the tactical position, conducted a carefully planned operation in advance, as a result of which 4 Russian positions were taken by storm.

https://youtu.be/AxL7YcdM2RY

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