Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 142847 times)

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #1700 on:** October 28, 2023, 04:58 »

Quote from: Lizard on October 27, 2023, 18:47

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on October 27, 2023, 12:38
Quote from: Lizard on October 26, 2023, 17:52
Anti-Semitism and being against genocide which Israeli Zionists are blatantly committing for decades against people of Palestine on their own land are two different things. They should peacefully accept that extermination of their children is the only way? Sure.

Billions of people and the majority of the worlds population support Palestine in their rightful goal for liberation and freedom on the land that was occupied by Europeans and given to foreign settlers imported from Europe.

There are certainly good arguments from recent history against both Israel and the Palestinian Arabs - no one has covered themselves with glory here.

However, your argumentation contradicts some real historical facts.

Unfortunately you are in good company with people like Greta Thunberg. To me it shows that some schooling is not necessarily harmful

The Jews are historically entrenched in the region, even before BC. There have also been some Jewish state-like entities in the region throughout history. The State of Israel was not established in the State of Palestine, but in the British protectorate after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, before that Mamlyuk Islamic State of Egypt, before that the Empire of Ayubid, etc. There was no Palestinian state here until 1988.

Historically, Palestine is not a state, but a region on the Mediterranean Sea that was populated by Arabs, Christians and Jews. The state of Palestine was proclaimed only in 1988 by the PLO and then disintegrated itself through the dispute between Hamas and Fatah. There have been no elections here since 2006.

If Hamas had actually attacked only military installations, that would have been understandable in the historical context. We know that they did not. With October 7, however, HAMAS itself has moved the conflict to another dimension and is therefore responsible for the current catastrophic situation.

The only one needs schooling is you

Huge majority of people in Israel today are 2.-3. generation of European settlers.

HAMAS is not people of Palestine like Irish people were not IRA. And I don't recall Irish settlements bombed to the ground after actions IRA performed, do you ?

BTW, recent UN voting to stop all military actions there speaks clearly what people of the world want and how much Israeli actions are supported around the globe.

Where did I write that Hamas is to be equated with the Palestinian population?

The fact that the majority of the Israeli population are European settlers of the 2-3 generation does not contradict what I wrote.

BTW, since Russia has signed the resolution, I assume that the attack on Ukraine will also be stopped. But you are certainly better informed.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1701 on:** October 28, 2023, 09:14 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on October 28, 2023, 04:58

Where did I write that Hamas is to be equated with the Palestinian population?

Who is Hamas made up of? Hamas consists of Palestinians population.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1702 on:** October 28, 2023, 09:20 »

Russian military death toll in Ukraine rises to 298,420

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3779600-russian-military-death-toll-in-ukraine-rises-to-298420.html

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1703 on:** October 28, 2023, 09:24 »

Democracy faces choice: either to defeat "coalition of evil" or to lose…

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3778850-democracy-faces-choice-either-to-defeat-coalition-of-evil-or-to-lose.html

Biden's speech: "We’re facing an inflection point in history. One of those moments where the decisions we make today are going to determine the future for decades to come... History has taught us that when terrorists don’t pay a price for their terror, when dictators don’t pay a price for their aggression, they cause more chaos and death and more destruction. Hamas and putin represent different threats, but they share this in common: they both want to completely annihilate a neighboring democracy." President Joe Biden emphasized that by defending allies such as Ukraine and Israel, the United States is safeguarding freedom and democracy and simultaneously making a substantial commitment to its own security. The speaker stressed that globally, it should be the United States leading the way, not russia, not Iran, and not China".

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #1704 on:** October 28, 2023, 11:06 »

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Quote from: RalfLiebhold on October 28, 2023, 04:58
Where did I write that Hamas is to be equated with the Palestinian population?
Who is Hamas made up of? Hamas consists of Palestinians population.

You do know that over 1 million (about 20% of the population) Palestinian Arabs live largely peacefully in Israel with the Israelis?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1705 on:** October 28, 2023, 12:28 »

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Quote from: RalfLiebhold on October 28, 2023, 04:58
Where did I write that Hamas is to be equated with the Palestinian population?
Who is Hamas made up of? Hamas consists of Palestinians population.

You do know that over 1 million (about 20% of the population) Palestinian Arabs live largely peacefully in Israel with the Israelis?

I know. And what?
5% of Russians are also against war. Maybe even 20%. And what?

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1706 on:** October 28, 2023, 17:15 »

I overheard an interesting conversation today! Video with captions.
https://youtu.be/CJ8_8G_AEY8?si=ZcVyHGIDiTpeFCuP
This rotten-toothed “miracle” with a plucked beard has lived almost his entire life in Ukraine, has a Ukrainian passport - but considers himself russian. When he was asked to explain in more detail what “russian” is, he was unable to do so. This is not surprising - natural stupidity. But he is not russian, he is not a Yakut, not an Uzbek, not a German, not an American, not a Chinese - he himself doesn’t really know who he is. He is the most ordinary separatist and Ukrainophobe.
He believes in secret American biological laboratories, in infected birds, determined to kill only russians. He believes that Ukraine has “combat mosquitoes” in its arsenal. He is sure that there are secret NATO bases in Ukraine and other propaganda nonsense spewed from russian television. Despite his slight degree of stupidity, he tries to show himself in the eyes of the interviewer as a competent and erudite person. He answers questions vaguely and evasively, as if a reptile is crawling. And he has an unimaginable desire to go at russia.
Lizard, it looks like this is your brother! It was Putin who wanted to protect him from the JewishBenderites. Why doesn't he take him on russia?
russians don’t abandon their own!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1707 on:** October 29, 2023, 12:52 »

Quote from: erik trikowich on October 28, 2023, 17:15

This rotten-toothed “miracle” with a plucked beard has lived almost his entire life in Ukraine, has a Ukrainian passport - but considers himself russian.

Shoot him. According to the laws of war.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1708 on:** October 29, 2023, 17:35 »

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Quote from: erik trikowich on October 28, 2023, 17:15
This rotten-toothed “miracle” with a plucked beard has lived almost his entire life in Ukraine, has a Ukrainian passport - but considers himself russian.
Shoot him. According to the laws of war.

Why should such a scoundrel be kept in prison at my expense? Send him upon Russia by any means!
Russia does not have enough fools for “meat assaults” near Avdiivka.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1709 on:** October 29, 2023, 18:16 »

An angry crowd of Dagestanis broke into the Makhachkala airport: they were "looking for Jews" who were supposed to arrive on a flight from Israel.
This is not an isolated case in Makhachkala - it is part of a culture of hatred towards other peoples that is widespread in russia, which is promoted by state television, experts and the authorities.
Over the past year, the russian foreign minister has indulged in a number of anti-Semitic statements. The russian president also used anti-Semitic insults. For russian propagandists on official television, the rhetoric of hatred is commonplace. Even the current escalation in the Middle East has caused anti-Semitic statements by russian ideologues.

The top of the russian government are flawed chronically ill people!
They are even too lazy to read “Woe from Wit” again. They completely forgot Griboedov, the idiots.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1710 on:** October 30, 2023, 06:54 »

Ah, here it turns out to be what’s going on!
https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/16675
It turns out that the Judeo-Banderists from Ukraine are to blame for the attack of Muslim radicals on the airport in Makhachkala.

Can you imagine the degree of agility?

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1711 on:** October 30, 2023, 07:32 »

In the temporarily occupied Volnovakha of Donetsk region, the russian occupiers killed 9 people in their own house, including a 4th-grade student and a preschool boy.
Ukrainian journalist Denys Kazansky writes that local resident Nataliya Gorkun celebrated her birthday that day. The day before, her son-in-law Andrii Kapkanets quarreled with the "Kadyrivites" who tried to appropriate his house.
"The people of Kadyriv decided to take revenge. They broke right into the middle of a family feast and killed everyone who was present, including small children," writes Kazansky. https://t.me/kazansky2017/8784

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1712 on:** October 30, 2023, 08:32 »

Quote from: erik trikowich on October 30, 2023, 07:32

In the temporarily occupied Volnovakha of Donetsk region, the russian occupiers killed 9 people in their own house, including a 4th-grade student and a preschool boy.
Ukrainian journalist Denys Kazansky writes that local resident Nataliya Gorkun celebrated her birthday that day. The day before, her son-in-law Andrii Kapkanets quarreled with the "Kadyrivites" who tried to appropriate his house.
"The people of Kadyriv decided to take revenge. They broke right into the middle of a family feast and killed everyone who was present, including small children," writes Kazansky. https://t.me/kazansky2017/8784

The Russian army is committing genocide of the Ukrainian people. It includes both murders and deportation of Ukrainian children to the territory of russia.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1713 on:** October 30, 2023, 08:48 »

"Russian Volunteer Corps" is a military unit consisting of ethnic Russians who fight on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is known for its raids on the territory of the Russian Federation. But RVC fighters also take part in battles in the Zaporizhzhia direction, in eastern Ukraine and in other hot spots of the Russian-Ukrainian war.

Interviews with good Russians. There are subtitles and English translation. The sign [_] in the subtitles means obscene speech.

https://youtu.be/utQj6mRoAvY

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1714 on:** October 30, 2023, 08:54 »

For Putin foe Alexey Navalny, Ukraine has long been a volatile issue

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/27/navalny-ukraine-putin-russia/

They asked me who Navalny was. I said that he is the same as putin. Washingtonpost confirms my words. This Navalny is for the Russian empire and supports the occupation of Ukraine.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1715 on:** October 30, 2023, 18:44 »

russian businessman Oleksiy Kuzmychev was arrested in France. He is one of the founders of LetterOne Group and "Alfa-groups". On March 15, 2022, Kuzmychev was included in the sanctions lists of the European Union together with the co-founder of "Alfa-groups" Herman Khan. They then owned 21% and 16% of the bank's capital. They transferred their shares to Andrii Kosogov.
According to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, Kuzmychev had a fortune of $5.4 billion before the russian invasion in Ukraine. Kuzmychev is suspected of violating sanctions legislation and tax crimes. His Paris apartment and villa in Saint-Tropez were searched. During the search, "bundles of money" were found.
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2023/10/30/l-oligarque-russe-alexei-kouzmitchev-place-en-garde-a-vue-par-la-justice-francaise-dans-une-affaire-de-blanchiment_6197379_4355770.html

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1716 on:** October 31, 2023, 04:14 »

russia has lost over 300,000 soldiers in Ukraine.

Glory to Ukraine!

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3780674-russian-military-death-toll-in-ukraine-rises-to-300810.html

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1717 on:** October 31, 2023, 04:19 »

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1718 on:** October 31, 2023, 11:20 »

The Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights confirmed that it was the russians who launched a rocket attack on the village of Groza in the Kharkiv region on October 5.
All 59 victims were civilians, the report said.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-briefing-notes/2023/10/ukraine-report-hroza-missile-attack

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1719 on:** October 31, 2023, 11:36 »

On the Kupyansk direction, the Russian invaders want to capture the Kupyansk-Vuzlovy railway junction.
At the same time, they use prohibited chemical weapons, said the commander of the intelligence unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Denys Yaroslavskyi.
https://gazeta.ua/articles/life/_himichna-zbroya-ta-potuzhni-obstrili-scho-vidbuvayetsya-na-kupyanskomu-napryamku/1162807

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1720 on:** October 31, 2023, 11:44 »

The commander of the SSO, Major General Viktor Khorenko, gave his first major interview.
https://youtu.be/22cHBemwK5o?si=XjZFeRh5DftZ0Jce
Glory to Ukraine and its fearless warriors!
All enemies who treacherously attacked Ukraine will be condemned as war criminals or liquidated.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1721 on:** October 31, 2023, 12:00 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on October 31, 2023, 04:14

russia has lost over 300,000 soldiers in Ukraine.

Glory to Ukraine!

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3780674-russian-military-death-toll-in-ukraine-rises-to-300810.html

The number is certainly large. But most of those destroyed are the dregs of society. Murderers, rapists and *insult removed*. Even parents and relatives do not regret them, not to mention the state.
I have to admit that Prigogine had a great idea with the prisoners. Orcs need to be destroyed at least a million, then perhaps they will think about something. And that’s not a fact.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1722 on:** November 01, 2023, 03:01 »

Quote from: erik trikowich on October 31, 2023, 12:00

But most of those destroyed are the dregs of society.

Dregs of society, I consider 95% Russians.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1723 on:** November 01, 2023, 03:39 »

Journalist Yuri Dud interviewed Vika Tsyganova, a singer, performer of the songs “Wagner” and “Give shells”, who actively supports the russian invasion of Ukraine. Dud invited only Tsyganova to an interview, but she came to the meeting with the journalist along with her husband, producer and her director Vadim Tsyganov. They discussed world government and talked a lot about Satanism. We also learned that Vladimir Putin was deceived when he made the decision on a full-scale invasion of Ukraine - Vadim Tsyganov believes that the war should have started in 2014 (even though that’s when it began). And, as it turned out, russia is “clearing the territory for the New Jerusalem” in Ukraine, where Jews from Israel will move. “We are all pawns of the world government. And we all need repentance,” says Vadim Tsyganov. In his opinion, Putin also needs repentance.
https://meduza.io/feature/2023/10/27/yuriy-dud-vzyal-intervyu-u-viki-tsyganovoy-i-ee-muzha-prodyusera-vadima-tsyganova
The orcs have a terry anti-Semitism from the lowest strata of the population to the very top. But when “Jewish pogroms” happen, as recently in Makhachkala, the Jewish Banderaites from Ukraine are to blame.
Journalist Yuri Dud reports that he interviewed another marginalized person - actor and TV presenter Oscar Kuchera. He says he supports the Russian army, but opposes the war.
So what, you say that this is the Russian intelligentsia? This is some choice stinking crap!

erik trikowich · « **Reply #1724 on:** November 01, 2023, 03:42 »

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Quote from: erik trikowich on October 31, 2023, 12:00
But most of those destroyed are the dregs of society.
Dregs of society, I consider 95% Russians.

It's very unfortunate, but I have to agree with you.

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