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Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #200 on: April 21, 2023, 15:08 »
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You, on the other hand, have no idea how currency trading works. You do your study and you will understand that dumping a currency in large quantities and without a need for this currency will weaken that currency enormously. But that step will let suffer China also (they get less money for what it's worth now) so they will not take that step so swiftly. But if you keep poking they might. Keep on poking and see what happens :)

See the first point I made above. If China decides to spend their dollar savings, the American products will have a surge in demand and the exports will go up, boosting the American economy.

But if China decides to dump their dollar savings too fast, then you will not only have the effect of the first point, but also the effect of my second point.
It's the equivalent of China selling at a loss their dollar reserves, in other words, burning down a part of their reserves.

Actually many countries are intentionally printing money to flood the market with their currency, to devalue it, and stimulate their exports. This is bad because it's a permanent effect leading to inflation. But if China decides to suddenly dispose of their dollars savings, there will be no inflationary effect, because the dollar mass on the market remains the same.
Yes, the dollar may briefly appear weaker (market driven fluctuations happen all the time), but once the chinese reserves will be spent, things will return to normal and China loses.


You think China is still dependend on it's exports like 20 years ago, right? They are not, they have created a self sustaining economy almost. Do your math. BRICS is by the way (214million (Brazil) + 143 million (Russia) + 1408 million (India) + 1412 million (China) + 59 million(South Africa) = 3,236 million inhabitants. EU + USA is just (447 + 332) 779 million. Factor 5 almost. Just that you know the numbers you are going against when the split actually happens. You can think you are big but they are a bit bigger actually when it comes down to a showdown. They are growing each year, we are shrinking. Just saying :)
Holland, Portugal and England once ruled the world not even 300 years ago. That also came to an end. Not to speak about the Romans. Enjoy why it lasts but this state of affairs will not be the last. And it might even change in your lifetime.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2023, 15:22 by SVH »


Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #201 on: April 21, 2023, 15:10 »
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Really? Block me. I can't argue with stupid.
When there are no arguments, get personal. Your drain is counted.

I'm sending the Russian troll to ignore.
Please do finally :)

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #202 on: April 21, 2023, 15:19 »
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Just wondering what you would have said when America invaded (in the last century after WO II) the following countries and Russia started delivering weapons to those countries (and did actually sometimes) to defend themselves:
* Haiti
* Cuba
* Domenican Republic
* Korea
* Laos
* Libanon
* Vietnam
* Cambodja
* Panama
* Irak
* Somalia
* Serbia
* Afghanistan
* Libya

Real simple, the US did not INVADE those countries. But I told myself I wasn't going to get into this whatabout argument and the mistaken propaganda twisted falsehoods. So I should stop. Russia invaded the Ukraine, they are at war, they are trying to take over the country. Just as a side note, the US and other countries that got involved in any of the above conflicts, were not taking over the country.

Lets not forget: Trump "knows hes an illegitimate president," Clinton said. "I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories he knows that there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did I know he knows this wasnt on the level." Plus claims that the Russians swayed the election as well.

Sorry Fox and the people in denial and the still sold on some conspiracy folks... Biden won fair and square. Get over it!


I remember quite well when CNN was broadcasting live bombardments on Bagdad. The shock and awe technique. You think those were military targets? It was the whole bloody city. Everybody was sitting with popcorn to watch the show. Meanwhile, innocent Irakians were losing there lives. And everybody was cheering. I detest Islamic extremism but I can understand they were a little pissed off about this. Same as in Afghanistan, Libya etc... Bombs away :) Collateral damage right?

Whatever fighting or actions, I'm not pointing at that, legal, illegal, asked for, or intentions or anything else.

"Just wondering what you would have said when America invaded (in the last century after WO II) the following countries and Russia started delivering weapons to those countries (and did actually sometimes) to defend themselves:"

The US did not invade any country and wasn't trying to take over those countries. Russia is invading and trying to take over the Ukraine. Simple facts, and the honest truth, don't lie.

Ok Pete, they did not invade to make it American soil. Agreed. But they did invade in the sence they breached the sovereignty of that country either by attacking it with boots on the ground or bombarding it to hell. Or not? If I think that Biden is a dictator and should be removed for the sake of American people and I would send my army in and bomb Washington DC, without actually making America my home soil, would it be OK then?
« Last Edit: April 21, 2023, 15:26 by SVH »

« Reply #203 on: April 21, 2023, 16:00 »
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Where are you from, SVH?

It's true: the Roman Empire also disintegrated. The same goes for the Ottoman Empire. The advanced civilizations of Greece or Egypt - all history.

But from your lines I somehow read out that you wish for a Russian or Chinese empire. Is that really so?

« Reply #204 on: April 22, 2023, 07:39 »
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Where are you from, SVH?
He is either from Russia or the Russian KGB (FSB) pays him for the dissemination of false Russian propaganda.

« Reply #205 on: April 22, 2023, 09:50 »
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Where are you from, SVH?

It's true: the Roman Empire also disintegrated. The same goes for the Ottoman Empire. The advanced civilizations of Greece or Egypt - all history.

But from your lines I somehow read out that you wish for a Russian or Chinese empire. Is that really so?

No need to wish for it.

The russian empire is still in place with its colonial and imperialist agenda, dominating 190 ethnic groups (Tatars, Chechens, Bashkirs, Chuvash, Avars, Dargins, Kazakhs, etc...), many of which are still living in well defined regions, despite the aggressive ethnic cleansing, deportation and russification policies they were subject to.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2023, 09:58 by Zero Talent »

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #206 on: April 22, 2023, 12:38 »
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Where are you from, SVH?

It's true: the Roman Empire also disintegrated. The same goes for the Ottoman Empire. The advanced civilizations of Greece or Egypt - all history.

But from your lines I somehow read out that you wish for a Russian or Chinese empire. Is that really so?
Western part of Europe. Funny that when I am a bit critical on our own governments, who in my eyes, are on a war path with BRICS, I immediately would wish for a Russian or Chinese Empire.
Do you agree with all the things your government does and says? Actually that reminds me of a period of 80 years ago in your country. Don't you have a personal opinion (that may deviate) or can you you only repeat what is fed to you by your government and media?

« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2023, 14:33 »
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Where are you from, SVH?

It's true: the Roman Empire also disintegrated. The same goes for the Ottoman Empire. The advanced civilizations of Greece or Egypt - all history.

But from your lines I somehow read out that you wish for a Russian or Chinese empire. Is that really so?
Western part of Europe. Funny that when I am a bit critical on our own governments, who in my eyes, are on a war path with BRICS, I immediately would wish for a Russian or Chinese Empire.
Do you agree with all the things your government does and says? Actually that reminds me of a period of 80 years ago in your country. Don't you have a personal opinion (that may deviate) or can you you only repeat what is fed to you by your government and media?

You didnt answer my question.

To answer your question: Yes, I have my own opinion. If you look back, you can read some of it.

I am far from agreeing with everything that my current government or its predecessors have done. But do you know what I really appreciate about my government, despite all its possible faults? Not only am I allowed to have my own opinion - I'm even allowed to say it without being arrested.


« Reply #208 on: April 24, 2023, 10:58 »
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You like many other Tucker Carlson & Co followers are misunderstanding the way international trade works.



Speaking of Tucker, Fox just settled with Dominion for over 3/4 billion dollars.

Gretchen Carlson tweeted yesterday:

"PLEASE Dominion --- Do not settle with Fox! You're about to prove something very big."

https://twitter.com/GretchenCarlson/status/1647782311469936646

I'm with her, I wish they didn't settle.

Speaking of Tucker (also the most "popular" non-russian prime time host on the russian state media):

Fox News said Monday that it was parting ways with Tucker Carlson, its most popular prime time host who was also the source of repeated controversies and headaches for the network because of his statements on everything from race relations to L.G.B.T.Q. rights.

The network made the announcement less than a week after it agreed to pay $787.5 million in a defamation lawsuit in which Mr. Carlsons show, one of the highest rated on Fox, figured prominently for its role in spreading misinformation after the 2020 election.

In making its announcement, Fox offered a terse statement of gratitude. Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor, it said.

His last program was on Friday, Fox said.

« Last Edit: April 24, 2023, 11:09 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #209 on: April 24, 2023, 12:16 »
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Fox News said Monday that it was parting ways with Tucker Carlson
Great news! He promoted Russian propaganda in the USA.

« Reply #210 on: April 24, 2023, 12:43 »
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Where are you from, SVH?

It's true: the Roman Empire also disintegrated. The same goes for the Ottoman Empire. The advanced civilizations of Greece or Egypt - all history.

But from your lines I somehow read out that you wish for a Russian or Chinese empire. Is that really so?
Western part of Europe. Funny that when I am a bit critical on our own governments, who in my eyes, are on a war path with BRICS, I immediately would wish for a Russian or Chinese Empire.
Do you agree with all the things your government does and says? Actually that reminds me of a period of 80 years ago in your country. Don't you have a personal opinion (that may deviate) or can you you only repeat what is fed to you by your government and media?

You didnt answer my question.

To answer your question: Yes, I have my own opinion. If you look back, you can read some of it.

I am far from agreeing with everything that my current government or its predecessors have done. But do you know what I really appreciate about my government, despite all its possible faults? Not only am I allowed to have my own opinion - I'm even allowed to say it without being arrested.

And you can vote them out. Well, not you specifically, but you know what I mean.
Even more, you can stand for election yourself, or even start your own political party.

Not saying it's easy, not saying it's flawless, because it isn't. Far from.
But I'm convinced it's the lesser evil compared to many other systems in the world.

« Reply #211 on: April 24, 2023, 12:53 »
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Where are you from, SVH?

It's true: the Roman Empire also disintegrated. The same goes for the Ottoman Empire. The advanced civilizations of Greece or Egypt - all history.

But from your lines I somehow read out that you wish for a Russian or Chinese empire. Is that really so?
Western part of Europe. Funny that when I am a bit critical on our own governments, who in my eyes, are on a war path with BRICS, I immediately would wish for a Russian or Chinese Empire.
Do you agree with all the things your government does and says? Actually that reminds me of a period of 80 years ago in your country. Don't you have a personal opinion (that may deviate) or can you you only repeat what is fed to you by your government and media?

You didnt answer my question.

To answer your question: Yes, I have my own opinion. If you look back, you can read some of it.

I am far from agreeing with everything that my current government or its predecessors have done. But do you know what I really appreciate about my government, despite all its possible faults? Not only am I allowed to have my own opinion - I'm even allowed to say it without being arrested.

And you can vote them out. Well, not you specifically, but you know what I mean.
Even more, you can stand for election yourself, or even start your own political party.

Not saying it's easy, not saying it's flawless, because it isn't. Far from.
But I'm convinced it's the lesser evil compared to many other systems in the world.
Just not Merkel and Schrder. They are just as evil and the same criminal as Putin.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2023, 12:56 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #212 on: April 24, 2023, 13:10 »
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Fox News said Monday that it was parting ways with Tucker Carlson
Great news! He promoted Russian propaganda in the USA.

... and here comes the job offer. I wonder why nobody seems to be surprised!  ::)

« Last Edit: April 24, 2023, 13:16 by Zero Talent »

Annie2022

« Reply #213 on: April 24, 2023, 14:07 »
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You like many other Tucker Carlson & Co followers are misunderstanding the way international trade works.



Speaking of Tucker, Fox just settled with Dominion for over 3/4 billion dollars.

Gretchen Carlson tweeted yesterday:

"PLEASE Dominion --- Do not settle with Fox! You're about to prove something very big."

https://twitter.com/GretchenCarlson/status/1647782311469936646

I'm with her, I wish they didn't settle.

Speaking of Tucker (also the most "popular" non-russian prime time host on the russian state media):

Fox News said Monday that it was parting ways with Tucker Carlson, its most popular prime time host who was also the source of repeated controversies and headaches for the network because of his statements on everything from race relations to L.G.B.T.Q. rights.

The network made the announcement less than a week after it agreed to pay $787.5 million in a defamation lawsuit in which Mr. Carlsons show, one of the highest rated on Fox, figured prominently for its role in spreading misinformation after the 2020 election.

In making its announcement, Fox offered a terse statement of gratitude. Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor, it said.

His last program was on Friday, Fox said.


Wow! A lot of conservatives will be crying in their beers tonight.

Murdoch must have had very good reason for what would be a very unpopular move with his viewers.

I also see that Don Lemon has had the chop at CNN.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2023, 17:21 by Annie »

« Reply #214 on: April 24, 2023, 19:58 »
+1

You like many other Tucker Carlson & Co followers are misunderstanding the way international trade works.



Speaking of Tucker, Fox just settled with Dominion for over 3/4 billion dollars.

Gretchen Carlson tweeted yesterday:

"PLEASE Dominion --- Do not settle with Fox! You're about to prove something very big."

https://twitter.com/GretchenCarlson/status/1647782311469936646

I'm with her, I wish they didn't settle.

Speaking of Tucker (also the most "popular" non-russian prime time host on the russian state media):

Fox News said Monday that it was parting ways with Tucker Carlson, its most popular prime time host who was also the source of repeated controversies and headaches for the network because of his statements on everything from race relations to L.G.B.T.Q. rights.

The network made the announcement less than a week after it agreed to pay $787.5 million in a defamation lawsuit in which Mr. Carlsons show, one of the highest rated on Fox, figured prominently for its role in spreading misinformation after the 2020 election.

In making its announcement, Fox offered a terse statement of gratitude. Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor, it said.

His last program was on Friday, Fox said.


Wow! A lot of conservatives will be crying in their beers tonight.

Murdoch must have had very good reason for what would be a very unpopular move with his viewers.

I also see that Don Lemon has had the chop at CNN.

Dan Bongino is also out (because he "couldn't agree to the contract extension" wink, wink). So Fox just cut ties with two popular MAGA ideologues.

On the other hand, Don Lemon made an ugly comment about women "not being in their prime anymore" at 51, in reference to Nikki Haley. He even doubled down when his lady co-host called him out. Stupid and inconsiderate.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2023, 20:59 by Zero Talent »

Annie2022

« Reply #215 on: April 25, 2023, 02:54 »
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You like many other Tucker Carlson & Co followers are misunderstanding the way international trade works.



Speaking of Tucker, Fox just settled with Dominion for over 3/4 billion dollars.

Gretchen Carlson tweeted yesterday:

"PLEASE Dominion --- Do not settle with Fox! You're about to prove something very big."

https://twitter.com/GretchenCarlson/status/1647782311469936646

I'm with her, I wish they didn't settle.

Speaking of Tucker (also the most "popular" non-russian prime time host on the russian state media):

Fox News said Monday that it was parting ways with Tucker Carlson, its most popular prime time host who was also the source of repeated controversies and headaches for the network because of his statements on everything from race relations to L.G.B.T.Q. rights.

The network made the announcement less than a week after it agreed to pay $787.5 million in a defamation lawsuit in which Mr. Carlsons show, one of the highest rated on Fox, figured prominently for its role in spreading misinformation after the 2020 election.

In making its announcement, Fox offered a terse statement of gratitude. Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor, it said.

His last program was on Friday, Fox said.


Wow! A lot of conservatives will be crying in their beers tonight.

Murdoch must have had very good reason for what would be a very unpopular move with his viewers.

I also see that Don Lemon has had the chop at CNN.

Dan Bongino is also out (because he "couldn't agree to the contract extension" wink, wink). So Fox just cut ties with two popular MAGA ideologues.

On the other hand, Don Lemon made an ugly comment about women "not being in their prime anymore" at 51, in reference to Nikki Haley. He even doubled down when his lady co-host called him out. Stupid and inconsiderate.

Re: TC - I think there was a number of things looming for him that may have led to his demise. A court case against him from a former female producer for operating a toxic anti-semitic, misogynistic work environment, the next Fox defamation case with Smartmatic, and apparently his text/s criticizing Fox News bosses themselves.  On top of all of this, although he had the top rating show on Fox News, a lot of the big brand premium advertisers would not advertise on his show due to all his fear-mongering conspiracy theories, and his show was not as profitable to Fox as it should have been. So, I guess in the end, the bottom line wins out!

Re: DL - Yes, I saw that, and I also saw the day after when he tweeted his 'apology' (the apology you're making when you're not really making an apology), he received a record 20k+ comments, a large part from very, very unhappy women. He was taken off air for a week, given some special 'training' or whatever, with a warning. But I think the final straw was late last week when he had another outburst session on air with a guest. Yes, he was another one who thought he was a bit too big for his boots.

DL, I believe, was always on the 'watch list' after CNN new owner (a republican Trump supporter, they say) took over last year and he wanted less left-wing bias on CNN, insisting on more republican representation with commentors on their show. I actually don't mind the new format - at least we're getting a broader picture of what's really going on with USA news.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2023, 03:36 by Annie »

« Reply #216 on: April 25, 2023, 03:53 »
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Annie, do I understand correctly that Fox is exclusively a pro-Trump channel? And that Fox is promoting Russian propaganda?

Annie2022

« Reply #217 on: April 25, 2023, 04:15 »
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Annie, do I understand correctly that Fox is exclusively a pro-Trump channel? And that Fox is promoting Russian propaganda?

Not necessarily pro-trump per se, Stoker. But rather anti-democrat (anti-Biden, anti-Clinton, anti-Obama). From my own personal observations, whenever there is a major USA news event, (compared to all the other news outlets - BBC, CNN international, etc, etc), Fox News nearly always seem to put an anti-democrat spin on it.  Very biased and not real news reporting or journalism, imho.

There were also a lot of anti-Ukraine and pro-Russian commentary on there - mainly from Tucker Carlson.

That's just my own observations. Others here may have more to say about this.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2023, 04:24 by Annie »

« Reply #218 on: April 25, 2023, 10:51 »
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. Ones standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Theodore Dalrymple

This goes for the US culture wars, racial division, age divides, and political extremes. Those who only watch Fox and the others who only believe NPR are destined to become single minded with dehumanized closed minded values. Easy to control by the ones in power of their group.

« Reply #219 on: April 25, 2023, 11:39 »
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. Ones standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Theodore Dalrymple

This goes for the US culture wars, racial division, age divides, and political extremes. Those who only watch Fox and the others who only believe NPR are destined to become single minded with dehumanized closed minded values. Easy to control by the ones in power of their group.

I would say equating Fox and NPR would be one of these lies.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #220 on: April 25, 2023, 12:28 »
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. Ones standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Theodore Dalrymple

This goes for the US culture wars, racial division, age divides, and political extremes. Those who only watch Fox and the others who only believe NPR are destined to become single minded with dehumanized closed minded values. Easy to control by the ones in power of their group.

I would say equating Fox and NPR would be one of these lies.

You mean the left wing, government supported TV and radio channels, compared to a private business, that's terribly biased to the right, is unfair? To whom? Fox?  :)

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

« Reply #221 on: April 25, 2023, 12:48 »
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. Ones standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Theodore Dalrymple

This goes for the US culture wars, racial division, age divides, and political extremes. Those who only watch Fox and the others who only believe NPR are destined to become single minded with dehumanized closed minded values. Easy to control by the ones in power of their group.

The author missed a large enough category who believed those lies from the bottom of their heart, a category who never felt humiliated, but proud of those lies.

He also missed a majority, who played the game, without feeling humiliated. Being asked to repeat those lies (they didn't believe in, and joked about in private), was considered something like being forced to get a driving license, if you want to drive. No big deal.

The group he is refering at is a very small minority of heroic freethinkers, who refused to play the game, and fought against those lies at all costs. They were the target of humiliation, being demoted, blackmailed, imprisioned, locked in mental institutions, etc.... or even eliminated.

Or exactly what's happening in putin's russia, today.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2023, 13:40 by Zero Talent »

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #222 on: April 25, 2023, 13:04 »
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If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn't thinking (George S. Patton)

And John F. Kennedy repeated it later (for you democrats) :)

« Reply #223 on: April 25, 2023, 13:18 »
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. Ones standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Theodore Dalrymple

This goes for the US culture wars, racial division, age divides, and political extremes. Those who only watch Fox and the others who only believe NPR are destined to become single minded with dehumanized closed minded values. Easy to control by the ones in power of their group.

I would say equating Fox and NPR would be one of these lies.

You mean the left wing, government supported TV and radio channels, compared to a private business, that's terribly biased to the right, is unfair? To whom? Fox?  :)

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

When it comes to media, there are two important factors to take into account. One is factual reporting. Second one is their bias.
A news outlet can rate high on factual reporting, which is good of course, but they can still decide on only running stories that fit a biased narrative.

BBC for instance has a pretty high rate on factual reporting, and runs stories that fit a center to center left bias.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/
NPR is similar, high rating on factual reporting, and leaning to center left bias: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/

Fox on the other hand leans towards extreme right reporting with mixed factual reporting: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
CNN is not doing much better: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/cnn-bias/



Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #224 on: April 25, 2023, 13:37 »
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. Ones standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Theodore Dalrymple

This goes for the US culture wars, racial division, age divides, and political extremes. Those who only watch Fox and the others who only believe NPR are destined to become single minded with dehumanized closed minded values. Easy to control by the ones in power of their group.

I would say equating Fox and NPR would be one of these lies.

You mean the left wing, government supported TV and radio channels, compared to a private business, that's terribly biased to the right, is unfair? To whom? Fox?  :)

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

When it comes to media, there are two important factors to take into account. One is factual reporting. Second one is their bias.
A news outlet can rate high on factual reporting, which is good of course, but they can still decide on only running stories that fit a biased narrative.

BBC for instance has a pretty high rate on factual reporting, and runs stories that fit a center to center left bias.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/
NPR is similar, high rating on factual reporting, and leaning to center left bias: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/

Fox on the other hand leans towards extreme right reporting with mixed factual reporting: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
CNN is not doing much better: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/cnn-bias/




Framing, lying. Left media are not shy either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9467611/CNN-technical-director-makes-embarrassing-admission-getting-catfished-Tinder.html
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/jdP8TiKY8dE?feature=oembed

Is CNN then extreme left when Fox is extreme right?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2023, 13:39 by SVH »


 

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