Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 141917 times)

trucic · « **Reply #3375 on:** April 02, 2024, 09:34 »

❗️People are leaving Kharkov en masse!
https://twitter.com/Wagnersfamily/status/1774911105896247434?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3376 on:** April 02, 2024, 09:44 »

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 09:30

Russia’s sanction-proofed economy is helping it avoid a defeat in Ukraine
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-sanction-proofed-economy-avoids-defeat-ukraine-energy-oil-hydrocarbons/

There is only one conclusion from this article. The policies of the US Democrats are weak, criminal and friendly to putin.
We can only say one thing, Democrats - fuck you!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3377 on:** April 02, 2024, 09:47 »

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 09:34

❗️People are leaving Kharkov en masse!
https://twitter.com/Wagnersfamily/status/1774911105896247434?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Yes it's true. And this has been true for a long time. The cowardly criminal Biden did not provide Ukraine with F16 and medium- and long-range missiles. This is the result of the criminal policies of the Democrats.
The Russians, of course, will not be able to occupy the city of Kharkov, but they can destroy it very quickly with air bombs and missiles.
Russians are terrorists. Any country that helps the Russians is an accomplice of terrorists.
All Russians are orcs, zombies and genetic slaves.

trucic · « **Reply #3378 on:** April 02, 2024, 10:10 »

… why do you think anyone is going to send a la carte weapons your state needs…?! They will support Ukraine until they have interests, not because you need more and more and more weapons… Ukraine have paid a huge price because of that…

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3379 on:** April 02, 2024, 13:24 »

The US is ceasing to be a reliable partner. The EU is already talking about this. Judging by the news, the EU plans to eliminate its dependence on US military aid. Macron wants to create an analogue of NATO in the EU. And all this regardless of the results of the US elections. Ukraine is an example of this, and this is after the United States signed the Budapest memorandum.
I see that US policy is inconsistent. US Democrats have enormous propaganda capabilities, which is why they win elections more times than Republicans.
Before Biden, Trump was president. Republicans have had good policies to contain russia and Iran. But when the Democrats came to power, all the Republican policies were destroyed by them.
Suppose Trump wins the election, during 4 years of rule the Republicans will again be able to build a system to contain Nazism. But where are the guarantees that in 4 years the US will not elect a Democrat again?
The policies of the Democrats are aimed at strengthening terrorism and Nazism in the world. If the Democrats are in power, all countries (except North America) will be occupied by China, russia and Iran.
In my opinion, there is only one way out. The Republicans should declare martial law and ban the Democratic Party. US policy must be consistent. What we have seen over the past 10 (30) years is a circus in the USA.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3380 on:** April 02, 2024, 13:27 »

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 10:10

… why do you think anyone is going to send a la carte weapons your state needs…?! They will support Ukraine until they have interests, not because you need more and more and more weapons… Ukraine have paid a huge price because of that…

1. Budapest Memorandum.
2. Threat of occupation of EU countries.
3. Political precedent in the form of annexation and occupation of the territory of another country. After this, China can now occupy anyone it wants. And not only China.
4. What is happening is called World War III.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #3381 on:** April 02, 2024, 14:43 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 13:27

4. What is happening is called World War III.

Another one of your damned lies designed to stir up fear.
Only YOU and some sick conspiracy theorists are calling the current state third world war.

Among educated normal thinking intelligent people this is not common sense.

trucic · « **Reply #3382 on:** April 02, 2024, 15:23 »

… I really hope that world leaders will not been involved that much into… whatever it is… simply, Ukraine must count only on own resources, everything else will cost their people more in future… don’t pray for WW3, because that war could be finished in seconds…

Wilm · « **Reply #3383 on:** April 02, 2024, 15:42 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 13:24

In my opinion, there is only one way out. The Republicans should declare martial law and ban the Democratic Party.

Such statements are extremely frightening. In several respects.

- They show that you really have ZERO understanding of democracy.
- They show that you think exactly like Putin.
- They make the readers here fear that your thinking could also correspond to that in Ukraine. If that were the case, which I really hope it isn't, Ukraine would have no place in either NATO or the EU! I hope, believe and wish that the mindset of the general public in Ukraine is not the same as yours.
- If everyone thought like that, the third world war would have started long ago.

Therefore, as I have said here often enough, I am very grateful that a lot of clever, intelligent people in positions of responsibility have been able to prevent this so far!!!

What you are writing could have come exactly and verbatim from Putin. Are you aware of that?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3384 on:** April 02, 2024, 16:00 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 15:42

Ukraine would have no place in either NATO or the EU!

When will Ukraine be accepted into NATO and the EU? In what century?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3385 on:** April 02, 2024, 16:01 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 02, 2024, 14:43

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 13:27
4. What is happening is called World War III.

Another one of your damned lies designed to stir up fear.
Only YOU and some sick conspiracy theorists are calling the current state third world war.

Among educated normal thinking intelligent people this is not common sense.

And this person has been reading this topic for a very long time....

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3386 on:** April 02, 2024, 16:08 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 15:42

- If everyone thought like that, the third world war would have started long ago.

Wake up, the war has already been going on for 10 years.
Everyone can see the results of the rule of the US Democratic Party based on the example of Ukraine.

Wilm · « **Reply #3387 on:** April 02, 2024, 16:30 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 16:08

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 15:42
- If everyone thought like that, the third world war would have started long ago.
Wake up, the war has already been going on for 10 years.
Everyone can see the results of the rule of the US Democratic Party based on the example of Ukraine.

Wrong!

We don't have a third world war.

Let me remind you that it was under a Republican US administration that George W. Bush (and Tony Blair of the UK) found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. At least that's what they said. Colin Powell bitterly regretted not having contradicted this statement.

Do you remember?

Wilm · « **Reply #3388 on:** April 02, 2024, 16:33 »

That was a very bitter lesson for me. I generally believe the West more than the East. But this lie - and there might have been many others - is etched in my memory.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3389 on:** April 02, 2024, 17:03 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 16:33

That was a very bitter lesson for me. I generally believe the West more than the East. But this lie - and there might have been many others - is etched in my memory.

What are you writing about? Which west, which east?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3390 on:** April 02, 2024, 17:07 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 16:30

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 16:08
Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 15:42
- If everyone thought like that, the third world war would have started long ago.
Wake up, the war has already been going on for 10 years.
Everyone can see the results of the rule of the US Democratic Party based on the example of Ukraine.

Wrong!

We don't have a third world war.

Let me remind you that it was under a Republican US administration that George W. Bush (and Tony Blair of the UK) found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. At least that's what they said. Colin Powell bitterly regretted not having contradicted this statement.

Do you remember?

The US did everything right by starting the war in Iraq. It’s a shame that they didn’t do the same in Iran and North Korea. It is also a pity that the EU and the US supported and developed China. It’s a shame that the Russian empire was given the opportunity to develop under putin.
Saddam Hussein was a dictator and there was a dictatorship in Iraq. If it were not for the US military invasion, Iraq would now be in the axis of evil.
Therefore, it doesn’t matter what the reason was. Iraq posed a threat to democracy. Russia, China, Iran are also threats to democracy. Democracy does not equal pacifism and there has never been an equal sign. You don't understand what democracy is at all. The Democratic Party of the USA does not mean democracy, it is just the name of the party for idiots who vote based only on the name.

In that democratic party, the majority are communists. Let zero talent correct me, of course.

Wilm, are you a communist? If not, then you are not on the same path with the US Democratic Party.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3391 on:** April 02, 2024, 17:12 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 16:30

We don't have a third world war.

Tell that to your government, which is sending weapons in trains to Ukraine and imposing sanctions against the Russians. Pray to God that the Ukrainians will not allow the Russians to reach the Polish border. It is very possible that you will have to fight against the Russians and the Ukrainians mobilized into their army.

Just 5 months ago you wrote that World War 3 was underway, but now I see you have been treated with propaganda.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3392 on:** April 02, 2024, 17:13 »

Ukraine is fighting not for the right to be in the EU and NATO. Ukraine is fighting to be an independent country and to be independent from russia.

trucic · « **Reply #3393 on:** April 02, 2024, 18:37 »

…. But you are dependant of both EU and NATO… and of all others… and why you think tjat either one of those will accept your application while tou are in war with third party…?! You will have to finish your war and then start with long process - fulfill standards which are needed to be accepted…

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3394 on:** April 02, 2024, 20:33 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:07

In that democratic party, the majority are communists. Let zero talent correct me, of course.

Nope, far from a majority.
In fact, as someone who lived many years in both the EU and the US, I can say that a large majority of the US Democratic Party is to the right of many liberal parties in Europe, which are considered to be right-wing parties in Europe. It's no coincidence that the US Dems are also called "liberals".

But, because of the electoral system in the US, there are no socialist parties, let alone communist parties, of any significance. This is why both major parties must also accommodate the extremes of the political spectrum.

The GOP must accommodate trump and his extreme right maga isolationists (unfortunately, this extreme faction seized control over the GOP pushing it further to the right), while the Democratic Party must accommodate a small Marxist squad of four representatives led by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Bernie Sanders, another Marxist, is an independent.

For your education, I drew an approximation of the political spectrum, valid for both sides of the Atlantic.

trucic · « **Reply #3395 on:** April 02, 2024, 23:16 »

Ukraine at great risk of its front lines collapsing

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/

Wilm · « **Reply #3396 on:** April 03, 2024, 01:31 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:12

Quote from: Wilm on April 02, 2024, 16:30
We don't have a third world war.

Just 5 months ago you wrote that World War 3 was underway, but now I see you have been treated with propaganda.

On the way to war is different from being at war.

At one point, the third world war is actually already taking place: In the social media. I see this as one of our greatest risks worldwide, especially due to AI.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3397 on:** April 03, 2024, 03:46 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 03, 2024, 01:31

At one point, the third world war is actually already taking place: In the social media.

Let's test your school knowledge of history. I'll ask just one question. In what year did the Second World War begin?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3398 on:** April 03, 2024, 04:03 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 02, 2024, 20:33

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:07

In that democratic party, the majority are communists. Let zero talent correct me, of course.

Nope, far from a majority.
In fact, as someone who lived many years in both the EU and the US, I can say that a large majority of the US Democratic Party is to the right of many liberal parties in Europe, which are considered to be right-wing parties in Europe. It's no coincidence that the US Dems are also called "liberals".

I will cite here your previous statements about US Democrats. Are you sure you're not contradicting yourself?

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 29, 2023, 09:38

The fact is that a significant percentage of democrats have marxist views

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3399 on:** April 03, 2024, 04:14 »

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 18:37

…. But you are dependant of both EU and NATO… and of all others… and why you think tjat either one of those will accept your application while tou are in war with third party…?! You will have to finish your war and then start with long process - fulfill standards which are needed to be accepted…

What are you writing about? About what kind of dependence and what does the EU and NATO have to do with it?
I will say this, it is the EU and NATO that depend on Ukraine, because if Ukraine does not stop the Russian Na.zis, then it is unknown how many EU countries the Russians will occupy. Therefore, it is not NATO that will decide whether to take Ukraine into its membership or not, but Ukraine will think about including NATO countries in its union.

As for assistance from the EU and NATO, these blocs help themselves first of all.

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