Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 138802 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3400 on:** April 03, 2024, 04:25 »

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 23:16

Ukraine at great risk of its front lines collapsing

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/

All conclusions in this article are lies. The article was written with the purpose of causing panic. The emphasis is not placed correctly. Obviously the customers of these article are Russian.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3401 on:** April 03, 2024, 04:58 »

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trucic · « **Reply #3402 on:** April 03, 2024, 05:31 »

… just imagine a month of living in Ukraine without any funds and weapons from EU and USA…?! Then half of the year… whole year… will you think that there isn’t any dependency…?! Yes you are fully independent, for sure…

trucic · « **Reply #3403 on:** April 03, 2024, 05:32 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 04:25

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 23:16
Ukraine at great risk of its front lines collapsing

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/
All conclusions in this article are lies. The article was written with the purpose of causing panic. The emphasis is not placed correctly. Obviously the customers of these article are Russian.

… yes, smells like KGB…

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3404 on:** April 03, 2024, 06:13 »

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 05:31

… just imagine a month of living in Ukraine without any funds and weapons from EU and USA…?! Then half of the year… whole year… will you think that there isn’t any dependency…?! Yes you are fully independent, for sure…

Ukraine also produces weapons. The military-industrial complex in Ukraine is quite developed.
In addition to the EU and the USA, there are also South Korea, India, Great Britain, Türkiye, and other countries. Everywhere, Ukraine can independently buy weapons too.

trucic · « **Reply #3405 on:** April 03, 2024, 06:18 »

… so there is no need for anything from the West…?! You are constantly blaming them for F16, long range missiles, artillery shells… you can replace Starlink with what…?! Make money for debts, wages and pensions… how?! West is taking care of few million Ukrainian refugees… but, in the end you are independent…

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3406 on:** April 03, 2024, 06:27 »

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 06:18

… so there is no need for anything from the West…?! You are constantly blaming them for F16, long range missiles, artillery shells… you can replace Starlink with what…?! Make money for debts, wages and pensions… how?! West is taking care of few million Ukrainian refugees… but, in the end you are independent…

But it’s better to imagine russia, what will these Na.zis do when the supply of weapons from North Korea, Iran and China stops to russia? And this is very real if Republicans come to power in the United States.

Yes, Ukraine is an independent country. The only question is the number of losses in the war and the result. Of course, Ukraine will not defend NATO countries on its own, so they give Ukraine help. But you are asking a specific question: can Ukraine fight without the EU and the USA? I answered you, yes it can.
But if you ask, is this advisable? There may be another answer here. And this answer is well understood in the EU.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3407 on:** April 03, 2024, 06:39 »

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 06:18

West is taking care of few million Ukrainian refugees…

I don’t agree, the West is stealing people from Ukraine. This is if you write the truth. Ukraine can independently provide its citizens with food and housing.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3408 on:** April 03, 2024, 07:13 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 04:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 02, 2024, 20:33
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:07

In that democratic party, the majority are communists. Let zero talent correct me, of course.

Nope, far from a majority.
In fact, as someone who lived many years in both the EU and the US, I can say that a large majority of the US Democratic Party is to the right of many liberal parties in Europe, which are considered to be right-wing parties in Europe. It's no coincidence that the US Dems are also called "liberals".

I will cite here your previous statements about US Democrats. Are you sure you're not contradicting yourself?

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 29, 2023, 09:38
The fact is that a significant percentage of democrats have marxist views

Learn your definitions.
Significant means non-negligible, noteworthy, it doesn't mean a majority.
And having marxist views doesn't make one a "communist."

See the diagram above. Not only do communists have Marxist views (all), but also the socialists (a large majority), the social democrats (a majority), and also liberals (a noteworthy amount)

The majority of US Democrats are capitalists but also tend to support "the little man." This is why they are in the middle of the political spectrum. Nuance fails you.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3409 on:** April 03, 2024, 07:48 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13

Significant means non-negligible, noteworthy, it doesn't mean a majority.

Ok.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13

And having marxist views doesn't make one a "communist."

Same sh.it.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13

The majority of US Democrats are capitalists but also tend to support "the little man."

Let me clarify that democrats are not capitalists, but idiots, cowards and friends of the Russians, as well as friends of other world terrorists.
Regarding support for Ukraine, I have written many times, this support is very small from the United States. Otherwise, the situation in Ukraine would be radically different now.

trucic · « **Reply #3410 on:** April 03, 2024, 07:56 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 06:39

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 06:18
West is taking care of few million Ukrainian refugees…
I don’t agree, the West is stealing people from Ukraine. This is if you write the truth. Ukraine can independently provide its citizens with food and housing.

… yes, you just need to ask them to come back… even those people from Khatkiv are advised to flee to Lavov region and that evil EU…

trucic · « **Reply #3411 on:** April 03, 2024, 08:03 »

‘No choice’: Ukraine eyes Kerch bridge in Crimea for drone attack
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/ukraine-eyes-kerch-bridge-crimea-drone-attack

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3412 on:** April 03, 2024, 08:37 »

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 08:03

‘No choice’: Ukraine eyes Kerch bridge in Crimea for drone attack
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/ukraine-eyes-kerch-bridge-crimea-drone-attack

Any Russian military infrastructure must be destroyed.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3413 on:** April 03, 2024, 08:45 »

On the run from Russia: the defector to Ukraine shot dead on the Costa Blanca

Maksim Kuzminov flew a Russian miltary helicopter to Ukraine. Armed with a new identity, he moved to a Spanish resort. Then he was killed in an underground car park.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/24/on-the-run-from-russia-the-defector-to-ukraine-shot-dead-on-the-costa-blanca
________

He was a good Russian. There are very few such people in Na.zi russia.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3414 on:** April 03, 2024, 08:53 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 07:48

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
Significant means non-negligible, noteworthy, it doesn't mean a majority.
Ok.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
And having marxist views doesn't make one a "communist."
Same sh.it.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
The majority of US Democrats are capitalists but also tend to support "the little man."
Let me clarify that democrats are not capitalists, but idiots, cowards and friends of the Russians, as well as friends of other world terrorists.
Regarding support for Ukraine, I have written many times, this support is very small from the United States. Otherwise, the situation in Ukraine would be radically different now.

I am certain than virtually all Ukrainian parties are positioned to the left of the US Democrats, when it comes to private property, the role of the government, care for "the little man", etc
Based on your "logic", they are ALL communist idiots.

But we that this is not true. There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3415 on:** April 03, 2024, 09:02 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 08:53

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 07:48
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
Significant means non-negligible, noteworthy, it doesn't mean a majority.
Ok.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
And having marxist views doesn't make one a "communist."
Same sh.it.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
The majority of US Democrats are capitalists but also tend to support "the little man."
Let me clarify that democrats are not capitalists, but idiots, cowards and friends of the Russians, as well as friends of other world terrorists.
Regarding support for Ukraine, I have written many times, this support is very small from the United States. Otherwise, the situation in Ukraine would be radically different now.

I am certain than virtually all Ukrainian parties are positioned to the left of the US Democrats, when it comes to private property, the role of the government, care for "the little man", etc
Based on your "logic", they are ALL communist idiots.

But we that this is not true. There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.

1. There are no parties in Ukraine in the classical sense of the word. Those that exist belong to certain clans or oligarchs. These parties are definitely not left, but rather right.

In Ukraine there are no communist or socialist parties in parliament.
2. Yes, I am sure that the policies of Trump and the Republicans will be much more effective and better for Ukraine than the policies of the Democrats.

trucic · « **Reply #3416 on:** April 03, 2024, 09:06 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 08:37

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 08:03
‘No choice’: Ukraine eyes Kerch bridge in Crimea for drone attack
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/ukraine-eyes-kerch-bridge-crimea-drone-attack
Any Russian military infrastructure must be destroyed.

… so bridges are military infrastructure…?! Do you think that dams are too…?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3417 on:** April 03, 2024, 09:07 »

Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 09:06

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 08:37
Quote from: trucic on April 03, 2024, 08:03
‘No choice’: Ukraine eyes Kerch bridge in Crimea for drone attack
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/ukraine-eyes-kerch-bridge-crimea-drone-attack
Any Russian military infrastructure must be destroyed.

1). … so bridges are military infrastructure…?!
2). Do you think that dams are too…?

1. Yes.
2. No.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3418 on:** April 03, 2024, 10:43 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 09:02

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 08:53
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 07:48
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
Significant means non-negligible, noteworthy, it doesn't mean a majority.
Ok.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
And having marxist views doesn't make one a "communist."
Same sh.it.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 07:13
The majority of US Democrats are capitalists but also tend to support "the little man."
Let me clarify that democrats are not capitalists, but idiots, cowards and friends of the Russians, as well as friends of other world terrorists.
Regarding support for Ukraine, I have written many times, this support is very small from the United States. Otherwise, the situation in Ukraine would be radically different now.

I am certain than virtually all Ukrainian parties are positioned to the left of the US Democrats, when it comes to private property, the role of the government, care for "the little man", etc
Based on your "logic", they are ALL communist idiots.

But we that this is not true. There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.
1. There are no parties in Ukraine in the classical sense of the word. Those that exist belong to certain clans or oligarchs. These parties are definitely not left, but rather right.
In Ukraine there are no communist or socialist parties in parliament.
2. Yes, I am sure that the policies of Trump and the Republicans will be much more effective and better for Ukraine than the policies of the Democrats.

There are no socialist nor communist parties in power in the US either, but this doesn't stop you from believing that there are. So that's not an argument you are consistent with. Logic fails you again.

As explained before, these Ukrainian parties may be on the right, based on European standards where virtually all parties are leaning left, when compared to the US.

No matter what, there is a small minority who are putin's useful idiots who believe that trump and maga will save Ukraine, despite all evidence showing the opposite.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3419 on:** April 03, 2024, 11:15 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 10:43

There are no socialist nor communist parties in power in the US either, but this doesn't stop you from believing that there are. So that's not an argument you are consistent with. Logic fails you again.

I never said that. Initially, in 2023, you wrote in this thread that US Democrats include Marxists and socialists, perhaps even communists. I was only referring to the information received from you.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3420 on:** April 03, 2024, 11:18 »

US has agreed to send more bombs and warplanes to Israel

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-has-signed-off-more-bombs-warplanes-israel-washington-post-reports-2024-03-29/

___
Ass.hole Biden found a way to transfer weapons to Israel, bypassing the Republicans. But he does not find such an opportunity in relation to Ukraine. And even before the Republicans blocked his initiatives, Biden did not give aviation to Ukraine.

Biden - fuck you!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3421 on:** April 03, 2024, 11:22 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 08:53

There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.

You can also call the Ukrainian media idiots. I provide a link to the Ukrainian article. You can translate it in Google translator. The article says Biden is an ass.hole.

https://zn.ua/ukr/WORLD/bajden-chi-tramp-khto-krashchij-dlja-ukrajini.html

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3422 on:** April 03, 2024, 11:46 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 11:15

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 10:43
There are no socialist nor communist parties in power in the US either, but this doesn't stop you from believing that there are. So that's not an argument you are consistent with. Logic fails you again.
I never said that. Initially, in 2023, you wrote in this thread that US Democrats include Marxists and socialists, perhaps even communists. I was only referring to the information received from you.

Nope. You said that a majority of Democrats are communists. Just scroll up.

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:07

In that democratic party, the majority are communists.

What I said is that a "significant" amount of Democrats have Marxist views. Again: significant is not a majority, and having (some) "Marxist views" doesn't make a party or a person "communist" (i.e. doesn't believe in private enterprise/property).
As I said, there are many parties holding varying degrees of Marxist views, including many who label themselves as right-wing.

Fortunately, only a small minority of Ukrainians are putin's useful idiots who belive that trump and maga will save Ukraine.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3423 on:** April 03, 2024, 12:10 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 11:46

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 11:15
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 10:43
There are no socialist nor communist parties in power in the US either, but this doesn't stop you from believing that there are. So that's not an argument you are consistent with. Logic fails you again.
I never said that. Initially, in 2023, you wrote in this thread that US Democrats include Marxists and socialists, perhaps even communists. I was only referring to the information received from you.

Nope. You said that a majority of Democrats are communists. Just scroll up.

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:07
In that democratic party, the majority are communists.

What I said is that a "significant" amount of Democrats have Marxist views. Again: significant is not a majority, and having (some) "Marxist views" doesn't make a party or a person "communist" (i.e. doesn't believe in private enterprise/property).
As I said, there are many parties holding varying degrees of Marxist views, including many who label themselves as right-wing.

Fortunately, only a small minority of Ukrainians are putin's useful idiots who belive that trump and maga will save Ukraine.

1. Marxists and communists = enemies of humanity. History has proven it.
2. I didn’t express myself very clearly then. Yes, I wrote that, but I was based on your information from 2023. This should have been written right away, but I’m now writing a clarifying text.
I also wrote that you will correct me, what did you mean, you did it. I have no complaints against you.

3. How do you know how many people in Ukraine support Biden?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3424 on:** April 03, 2024, 12:22 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 12:10

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 11:46
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 11:15
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 10:43
There are no socialist nor communist parties in power in the US either, but this doesn't stop you from believing that there are. So that's not an argument you are consistent with. Logic fails you again.
I never said that. Initially, in 2023, you wrote in this thread that US Democrats include Marxists and socialists, perhaps even communists. I was only referring to the information received from you.

Nope. You said that a majority of Democrats are communists. Just scroll up.

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 02, 2024, 17:07
In that democratic party, the majority are communists.

What I said is that a "significant" amount of Democrats have Marxist views. Again: significant is not a majority, and having (some) "Marxist views" doesn't make a party or a person "communist" (i.e. doesn't believe in private enterprise/property).
As I said, there are many parties holding varying degrees of Marxist views, including many who label themselves as right-wing.

Fortunately, only a small minority of Ukrainians are putin's useful idiots who belive that trump and maga will save Ukraine.
1. Marxists and communists = enemies of humanity. History has proven it.
2. I didn’t express myself very clearly then. Yes, I wrote that, but I was based on your information from 2023. This should have been written right away, but I’m now writing a clarifying text.
I also wrote that you will correct me, what did you mean, you did it. I have no complaints against you.
3. How do you know how many people in Ukraine support Biden?

Then, consider yourself corrected. You’re welcome!

For the record, I don’t support Marxist views. I support freedom (including Ukraine's freedom), civil liberties, free markets, and small governments.

I am convinced that, as opposed to a small minority of putin's useful idiots, a majority of intelligent Ukrainians can see through the propaganda and understand that a trump presidency with maga in control would equate to a disaster for Ukraine.

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