Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 141790 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3425 on:** April 03, 2024, 12:30 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 12:22

For the record, I don’t support Marxist views. I support freedom, civil liberties, free markets, and small governments.
I am convinced that, as opposed to a small minority of putin's useful idiots, a majority of intelligent Ukrainians can see through the propaganda and understand that a trump presidency with maga in control would equate to a disaster for Ukraine.

1. Putin is the result of the rule of Marxists and communists. He is their child.
2. There is no need to try to impose your personal opinion on all Ukrainians. They don't read you anyway

. Your fantasies are very far from reality. And I have been writing for a long time that you personally definitely have some kind of personal benefit from the victory of the Democrats. Your interests do not coincide with the interests of Ukraine.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3426 on:** April 03, 2024, 12:49 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 12:30

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 12:22
For the record, I don’t support Marxist views. I support freedom, civil liberties, free markets, and small governments.
I am convinced that, as opposed to a small minority of putin's useful idiots, a majority of intelligent Ukrainians can see through the propaganda and understand that a trump presidency with maga in control would equate to a disaster for Ukraine.
1. Putin is the result of the rule of Marxists and communists. He is their child.
2. There is no need to try to impose your personal opinion on all Ukrainians. They don't read you anyway . Your fantasies are very far from reality. And I have been writing for a long time that you personally definitely have some kind of personal benefit from the victory of the Democrats. Your interests do not coincide with the interests of Ukraine.

No, when you refuse to accept logic and facts that contradict your beliefs, you resort to conspiracy theories.
You have no logical arguments against all the facts showing that trump and maga are a disaster for Ukraine, and then you can only explain the position of those who can see through it as based on "special interests."
As I've mentioned many times, I have no special interest in Democrats, and I would gladly vote for the old-school GOP.

What is sad to see is a small Ukrainian minority becoming putin's useful idiots, while believing that they represent Ukraine's interests.

P.S. Yes, putin is the child of the communist and Marxist ideology, now drifting into fascism.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3427 on:** April 03, 2024, 12:59 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 12:49

P.S. Yes, putin is the child of the communist and Marxist ideology, now drifting into fascism.

+100

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3428 on:** April 03, 2024, 13:03 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 12:49

You have no logical arguments against all the facts showing that trump and maga are a disaster for Ukrain

All my posts in this thread are based on arguments. In my posts, I substantiated that democrats are the enemies of not only Ukraine but also the entire civilized world.
I also argued that Trump is the best choice for democratic countries (compared to Biden, of course).
You need to re-read all my posts in this thread.

Zero Talent, In this thread you are spreading propaganda from US Democrats and trolling. You do not write any arguments here, all your arguments are a copy of propaganda.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3429 on:** April 03, 2024, 14:22 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 13:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 12:49
You have no logical arguments against all the facts showing that trump and maga are a disaster for Ukrain
All my posts in this thread are based on arguments. In my posts, I substantiated that democrats are the enemies of not only Ukraine but also the entire civilized world.
I also argued that Trump is the best choice for democratic countries (compared to Biden, of course).
You need to re-read all my posts in this thread.

Zero Talent, In this thread you are spreading propaganda from US Democrats and trolling. You do not write any arguments here, all your arguments are a copy of propaganda.

No, all your posts are based on wishful thinking and ostrich tactics.
You refuse to see the facts as they are, and you still live in a fantasy world where trump and maga are Ukraine's friends.

I am certain that a large majority of intelligent Ukrainians see reality as it is: trump with maga in power equals Ukraine's capitulation.

Unfortunately, they also have to deal with putin's useful idiots, the same way this forum does.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3430 on:** April 03, 2024, 15:23 »

This is maga:

Wilm · « **Reply #3431 on:** April 03, 2024, 15:47 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 03:46

Quote from: Wilm on April 03, 2024, 01:31
At one point, the third world war is actually already taking place: In the social media.

Let's test your school knowledge of history. I'll ask just one question. In what year did the Second World War begin?

The basis for the Second World War took place in Germany. And, yes, via a successively perfected propaganda apparatus. There was no social media. But there was the famous "Volksempfänger". And it only broadcast what the government wanted. Later on, films were even made about perseverance - with the message that the Germans were the best the planet had to offer. If you like, "Germany first" - does that remind you of anything?

To cut a long story short: back then, what you wish had happened in the USA happened in Germany: that one party should have the right to ban other parties from governing for many years. We know this from Russia, too!

Perhaps you should really start thinking about whether your understanding of democracy and its development is the right one. From my point of view, I say to you crystal clear: NO!!!

Wilm · « **Reply #3432 on:** April 03, 2024, 15:52 »

You think like this: You want to hit Russia with weapons - even in the figurative sense - as Russia uses them. Then what distinguishes you from a Russian leader whom you curse? Nothing. Then you are also an orc.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3433 on:** April 03, 2024, 21:43 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 11:22

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 08:53
There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.
You can also call the Ukrainian media idiots. I provide a link to the Ukrainian article. You can translate it in Google translator. The article says Biden is an ass.hole.

https://zn.ua/ukr/WORLD/bajden-chi-tramp-khto-krashchij-dlja-ukrajini.html

You never read that article, or if you did, you didn't understand it.
Not surprising: you were caught with your pants down before when you quoted that book you never read, only to prove yourself wrong.

The author says what I always told you:

The main political opponent of Joe Biden, Donald Trump, on the contrary, is famous for his unpredictability and impulsiveness. Trump's unpredictability in international politics is a very big risk for Ukraine. It is quite possible to expect a complete cessation of military and financial support from him..

Another risk is that if Trump wins another election, the role of extreme MAGA-Republicans may increase. It is this group that is most often critical of further support for Ukraine. Since the internal opposition to Trump in the Republican Party has effectively disappeared, the political balance there may shift in the direction of the most ardent Trumpists. Even quite powerful Republican politicians, who previously openly supported Ukraine, are now forced to follow Trump's fairway. This is certainly alarming news for Ukraine.

In the current difficult circumstances, it is quite likely that Ukraine should not take any risks.

zastavkin · « **Reply #3434 on:** April 03, 2024, 23:51 »

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

trucic · « **Reply #3435 on:** April 04, 2024, 02:25 »

NATO ministers’ doubts, fears and eye-rolls over €100B Ukraine plan
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-foreign-ministers-doubts-fears-eye-rolls-e100b-ukraine-plan/

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3436 on:** April 04, 2024, 03:59 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 15:23

This is maga:

These are not arguments, this is the opinion of one politician. Mostly, even she asks the right questions.
Ukraine does not need money, Ukraine needs aviation, missiles and tanks. Therefore, it makes no difference whether that military assistance from the Democrats will be provided or not. This assistance does not change the situation on the battlefield.
And even from this woman’s posts, I understood that she wants effective policies from the White House. And she wants to allocate money only for effective policies. I completely agree with this approach.
It’s very good when people think for themselves and ask questions. Unlike the stupid democrats.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3437 on:** April 04, 2024, 04:03 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 14:22

I am certain that a large majority of intelligent Ukrainians see reality as it is: trump with maga in power equals Ukraine's capitulation.

Come to Ukraine and go straight to the front. Try telling the soldiers on the battlefield how good the US Democrats and Biden are. At best, you'll get punched in the face.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3438 on:** April 04, 2024, 04:06 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 03, 2024, 15:52

You think like this: You want to hit Russia with weapons - even in the figurative sense - as Russia uses them. Then what distinguishes you from a Russian leader whom you curse? Nothing. Then you are also an orc.

This is the insane position of a pacifist. Your words have nothing to do with democracy. This is cowardice and pacifism. Or an ostrich with its head in the sand.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3439 on:** April 04, 2024, 04:07 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 03, 2024, 15:47

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 03:46
Quote from: Wilm on April 03, 2024, 01:31
At one point, the third world war is actually already taking place: In the social media.

Let's test your school knowledge of history. I'll ask just one question. In what year did the Second World War begin?

The basis for the Second World War took place in Germany. And, yes, via a successively perfected propaganda apparatus. There was no social media. But there was the famous "Volksempfänger". And it only broadcast what the government wanted. Later on, films were even made about perseverance - with the message that the Germans were the best the planet had to offer. If you like, "Germany first" - does that remind you of anything?

To cut a long story short: back then, what you wish had happened in the USA happened in Germany: that one party should have the right to ban other parties from governing for many years. We know this from Russia, too!

Perhaps you should really start thinking about whether your understanding of democracy and its development is the right one. From my point of view, I say to you crystal clear: NO!!!

I asked you one simple question. In what year did the Second World War begin? I did not find the answer in your essay.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3440 on:** April 04, 2024, 04:11 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 21:43

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 11:22
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 08:53
There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.
You can also call the Ukrainian media idiots. I provide a link to the Ukrainian article. You can translate it in Google translator. The article says Biden is an ass.hole.

https://zn.ua/ukr/WORLD/bajden-chi-tramp-khto-krashchij-dlja-ukrajini.html

You never read that article, or if you did, you didn't understand it.
Not surprising: you were caught with your pants down before when you quoted that book you never read, only to prove yourself wrong.

The author says what I always told you:

The main political opponent of Joe Biden, Donald Trump, on the contrary, is famous for his unpredictability and impulsiveness. Trump's unpredictability in international politics is a very big risk for Ukraine. It is quite possible to expect a complete cessation of military and financial support from him..

Another risk is that if Trump wins another election, the role of extreme MAGA-Republicans may increase. It is this group that is most often critical of further support for Ukraine. Since the internal opposition to Trump in the Republican Party has effectively disappeared, the political balance there may shift in the direction of the most ardent Trumpists. Even quite powerful Republican politicians, who previously openly supported Ukraine, are now forced to follow Trump's fairway. This is certainly alarming news for Ukraine.

In the current difficult circumstances, it is quite likely that Ukraine should not take any risks.

As always, you extracted from the text only what fits the propaganda of the Democrats. You are not taking into account the entire context of the article. But I posted this article here not only for you, but also for other readers. And the author correctly writes that Biden is a coward and a bas.tard.
In any case, this article proves that few people like Biden in Ukraine.

And yet, I don’t need to read some books in full, especially when they contain information that is a truism for me. I don't re-read information that I know. You are like a 100% troll from the Democrats, instead of telling me thank you for enlightening you, you are trying to accuse me of something.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3441 on:** April 04, 2024, 04:21 »

Quote from: trucic on April 04, 2024, 02:25

NATO ministers’ doubts, fears and eye-rolls over €100B Ukraine plan
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-foreign-ministers-doubts-fears-eye-rolls-e100b-ukraine-plan/

"The secretary-general's idea is to take the politics and uncertainty out of military aid to Ukraine by setting up a five-year, €100 billion fund and having the alliance shoulder more of the weight in organizing arms for Kyiv."

Ukraine needs 100 billion a year, not for 5 years. This is the opinion of Ukrainian military experts.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3442 on:** April 04, 2024, 04:51 »

Ukraine. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are liquidating Russian tanks. Video.

https://t.me/ssternenko/27068

https://t.me/pidrozdilshadowoficial/441

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3443 on:** April 04, 2024, 07:11 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 04, 2024, 04:11

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 21:43
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 03, 2024, 11:22
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 08:53
There are only a few useful idiots here and there who still believe that maga and trump will save Ukraine.
You can also call the Ukrainian media idiots. I provide a link to the Ukrainian article. You can translate it in Google translator. The article says Biden is an ass.hole.

https://zn.ua/ukr/WORLD/bajden-chi-tramp-khto-krashchij-dlja-ukrajini.html

You never read that article, or if you did, you didn't understand it.
Not surprising: you were caught with your pants down before when you quoted that book you never read, only to prove yourself wrong.

The author says what I always told you:

The main political opponent of Joe Biden, Donald Trump, on the contrary, is famous for his unpredictability and impulsiveness. Trump's unpredictability in international politics is a very big risk for Ukraine. It is quite possible to expect a complete cessation of military and financial support from him..

Another risk is that if Trump wins another election, the role of extreme MAGA-Republicans may increase. It is this group that is most often critical of further support for Ukraine. Since the internal opposition to Trump in the Republican Party has effectively disappeared, the political balance there may shift in the direction of the most ardent Trumpists. Even quite powerful Republican politicians, who previously openly supported Ukraine, are now forced to follow Trump's fairway. This is certainly alarming news for Ukraine.

In the current difficult circumstances, it is quite likely that Ukraine should not take any risks.

As always, you extracted from the text only what fits the propaganda of the Democrats. You are not taking into account the entire context of the article. But I posted this article here not only for you, but also for other readers. And the author correctly writes that Biden is a coward and a bas.tard.
In any case, this article proves that few people like Biden in Ukraine.

And yet, I don’t need to read some books in full, especially when they contain information that is a truism for me. I don't re-read information that I know. You are like a 100% troll from the Democrats, instead of telling me thank you for enlightening you, you are trying to accuse me of something.

This is amusing. Even when the articles you are citing contradict you, they are propaganda.
That book you mentioned, which you did not read, did not contain "truisms." Like this article, that book contradicted your statement.

Far from calling Biden an as*hole, the article is, at best, ambivalent. But overall it warns about the enormous risk of betting on the erratic behavior of the fool, stating that Ukraine is better off relying on Biden's predictability.
It also highlights that while it needs more from the current administration, Ukraine should not risk with the moron.
It only leaves the door open to an unlikely surprise from the moron. But it also suggests that Ukraine's future shouldn't be gambled in a casino when the odds are heavily stacked against it.

This is the conclusion of the article; learn to read or learn to comprehend what you read:

In the current difficult circumstances, it is quite likely that Ukraine should not take any risks. Despite all the weaknesses of the Biden administration, you can at least roughly understand what to expect from it. With Trump, everything is much more complicated. However, there is currently no absolutely clear answer as to who may be better for us in the future of several years: the overly predictable and cautious Biden or the inconsistent impulsive Trump

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 04, 2024, 03:59

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 15:23
This is maga:
These are not arguments, this is the opinion of one politician.

Again, learn to read. It is not only the opinion of one politician, but the opinion of 117 politicians, the maga majority within the GOP, the same majority the article you are quoting without reading is warning about.
And they put this opinion into action when they repealed the aid for Ukraine. They will do it again attempting to get rid of the speaker of the house (again), if he is not listening to the maga majority.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3444 on:** April 04, 2024, 08:17 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 04, 2024, 07:11

However, there is currently no absolutely clear answer as to who may be better for us in the future of several years: the overly predictable and cautious Biden or the inconsistent impulsive Trump

1. This article is the opinion of the author and reflects those publications that exist in Ukraine.
2. I gave you a link to this article so that you stop writing that Ukraine supports Biden and wants to work with him.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 03, 2024, 15:23

Again, learn to read. It is not only the opinion of one politician, but the opinion of 117 politicians, the maga majority within the GOP, the same majority the article you are quoting without reading is warning about.
And they put this opinion into action when they repealed the aid for Ukraine. They will do it again attempting to get rid of the speaker of the house (again), if he is not listening to the maga majority.

I already wrote. I liked what this lady wrote. She raised poignant and valid questions. It is unclear why Israel and Taiwan receive interest-free aid when they can pay.
I have already answered your other questions and hints many times in this thread and why the Republicans are doing the right thing when they block Democratic aid for Ukraine.
I don’t see a threat to Ukraine from Trump, I only see a threat from Biden and the Democrats.
At this forum, at the moment, only I represent Ukraine. Therefore my vote is decisive.
You can rage and be indignant about this as much as you want, but this is the reality. I don't support your propaganda.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3445 on:** April 04, 2024, 09:07 »

The fact remains: you were caught with your pants down! Again!
You didn't read the information you are served, or you lack the reading skills to comprehend it, before it is explained to you

First, you share the article to enforce your claim that Biden is an a**hole, and when you are faced with the reality, you play down the relevance of your article, claiming that's just someone's opinion.

In reality, the author of the article is close to the position intelligent Ukrainians have.

Only putin's useful idiots would still believe that trump and maga will save Ukraine after reading so much evidence proving the opposite, or maybe simpletons who can't comprehend what they read.

Only putin's useful idiots would side with Marjorie Taylor Greene and her 117 maga representatives who denied Ukraine the help it needed.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3446 on:** April 04, 2024, 09:09 »

Zero Talent, I am tired of you.

You are not interesting to read, you constantly write the same nonsense. I will not bother you.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3447 on:** April 04, 2024, 09:34 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 04, 2024, 09:09

Zero Talent, I am tired of you.
You are not interesting to read, you constantly write the same nonsense. I will not bother you.

Wrong again.
I read your article and, at the same time, proved that you didn't read it, or if you did, you didn't understand it. Your choice.

No matter what you choose, the fact remains: you were caught with your pants down! Again!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3448 on:** April 04, 2024, 10:34 »

"Mike McCaul says that Sullivan believes that Russia will launch a first nuclear strike against the United States if Ukraine is given too much military aid.

What planet is Jake living on?"

https://twitter.com/colbybadhwar/status/1775858657369948530

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Democrats are cowardly bas.tards! Democrats - fuck you!

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3449 on:** April 04, 2024, 12:27 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 04, 2024, 10:34

"Mike McCaul says that Sullivan believes that Russia will launch a first nuclear strike against the United States if Ukraine is given too much military aid.

What planet is Jake living on?"

https://twitter.com/colbybadhwar/status/1775858657369948530

______
Democrats are cowardly bas.tards! Democrats - fuck you!

This is also what McCaul just said:

“I think that Russian propaganda has unfortunately infiltrated the United States, and it has infected a large portion of my party’s base,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman and Texas Republican Michael McCaul told Puck News.

https://ukrainetoday.org/russian-propaganda-has-infected-some-american-republicans-us-congressman/

He is talking about maga, about MTG and the 117 maga majority voting against Ukraine.

Obviously russian propaganda is also doing a great job among Ukrainians, transforming some of them in putin's useful idiots.

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