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« Reply #375 on: May 05, 2023, 23:08 »
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russia has no right to have any say in re-drawing the borders of any sovereign country. Not Ukraine, not Georgia, not Moldova, not the Baltic countries, not Poland nor Romania. Not even Belarus.


Now explain to me what gave US right to do exactly the same what Russia is doing and forced them with and invasion to give up Kosovo ?

How was that not re-drawing the borders and what is the difference between Kosovo being stolen from Serbia and Russia trying to do the same ?

In short, you can't , there is no difference and no google will help you explain something you don't know crap about to someone that knows everything about it.



« Reply #376 on: May 06, 2023, 02:12 »
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How was that not re-drawing the borders and what is the difference between Kosovo being stolen from Serbia and Russia trying to do the same ?
The difference is huge. You are comparing uncomparable events. You don't seem to understand politics and history at all. What country are you from?

« Reply #377 on: May 06, 2023, 02:15 »
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The russian empire is still in place with its colonial and imperialist agenda, dominating 190 ethnic groups (Tatars, Chechens, Bashkirs, Chuvash, Avars, Dargins, Kazakhs, etc...), many of which are still living in well defined regions, despite the aggressive ethnic cleansing, deportation and russification policies they were subject to.

As I recall Pequot, Mohegan, Massachusetts...were just a few of those that were completely extinct.

I wonder how are the rest doing nowadays and when are they getting their land back ?

I mean 56 millions people killed ( more than whole Europe population at the time ) is also not a thing you can just wipe under the carpet. Killing 90% of homeland population and stealing their land is everything but something to ignore.
Why don't you give examples of anything before the common era? When you write, indicate at least a century about which you write. I understand that mentally you live in the Middle Ages, and live according to the laws of the barbarians. But open your window and look at the calendar and you will know that it is the 21st century on planet Earth.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2023, 02:18 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #378 on: May 06, 2023, 03:34 »
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What a courageous defense, indeed!

But I also liked the discipline of that platoon on your first clip, and the great commander, who made sure the risks are minimized (while still facing death every second), and at the same time pushed his team ahead, relentlessly.
I have the feeling that this is how the war is won, rather than with wreckless Rambos and Hollywood-type superheroes.

Slava Ukraini!
Glory to the heroes! Death enemies!

After this interview, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valerii Zaluzhnyi personally met with this hero, awarded him a medal and presented him with an M4 automatic rifle (as the soldier wanted).

« Reply #379 on: May 06, 2023, 04:22 »
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2/3 of the population of Russia (if not all 90%) support Putin and the killing of Ukrainians.
It looks like you took these figures from "Russian propaganda"). In fact, in my environment, I see  absolutely the opposite picture. Of course, my scientific environment is very specific, but nevertheless, I observe a different situation from the inside. None of my close friends and relatives are happy with the current situation and human deaths.

I think that Russian stockers should be banned from all stocks so that they do not finance the terrorist and fascist regime.
Could it be more effective to ban Biden for buying Russian uranium? The share of Russia in the supply of uranium for the needs of the US nuclear power industry is about 20%. This is not comparable to the small money from taxes on Russian stockers (6% tax on the self-employed, which goes to the regional budget at the place of residence).

I have spoken.

« Reply #380 on: May 06, 2023, 06:05 »
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2/3 of the population of Russia (if not all 90%) support Putin and the killing of Ukrainians.
It looks like you took these figures from "Russian propaganda"). In fact, in my environment, I see  absolutely the opposite picture. Of course, my scientific environment is very specific, but nevertheless, I observe a different situation from the inside. None of my close friends and relatives are happy with the current situation and human deaths.

I think that Russian stockers should be banned from all stocks so that they do not finance the terrorist and fascist regime.
Could it be more effective to ban Biden for buying Russian uranium? The share of Russia in the supply of uranium for the needs of the US nuclear power industry is about 20%. This is not comparable to the small money from taxes on Russian stockers (6% tax on the self-employed, which goes to the regional budget at the place of residence).

I have spoken.
Hmm.
1. Whose Crimea?
2. Should the Russian Empire continue to exist within today's borders? Or do oppressed peoples have the right to secede and create their own nation-states?
3. Should all war criminals who kill Ukrainians or help them be punished?
4. Should Russia withdraw its troops from Ukraine, Crimea, Donbass?
5. Should Russia pay reparations to Ukraine and Ukrainians for those killed, for destroyed cities, destroyed ecology and other losses?
« Last Edit: May 06, 2023, 06:09 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #381 on: May 06, 2023, 11:48 »
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We have a DHL parcel carrier. My favorite parcel carrier. He is Russian, comes from the region north of Moscow and is a very likeable, friendly and hardworking young man.
About 2 months ago he did not come alone, but had a new employee with him, whom he had to train. It turned out in the conversation that the young man was from Ukraine.

I asked them both if there were any problems between them. They laughed and hugged each other to prove that there were no problems.

These are pictures that I would like to see in the media. Maybe then it would become clear that not a people, but often only parts of a people are the problem.

Annie2022

« Reply #382 on: May 06, 2023, 15:19 »
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We were speaking of Fox News earlier on this thread. This has been in the news:

"Canadian regulator launches public consultation on banning Fox News from cable packages"

https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/canadian-regulator-launches-public-consultation-on-banning-fox-news-from-cable-packages-1.6386988

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Canadian regulators have launched a public consultation on calls to ban Fox News from cable packages after receiving complaints saying the network has aired hateful content about LGBTQ2S+ people.

The public consultation, which began earlier this month, was triggered by an open letter from advocacy group Egale Canada.

"People in Canada deserve to know that the news broadcast on Canadian airwaves is reliable and objective, and marginalized groups must be protected from malicious propaganda," the group's executive director Helen Kennedy wrote.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.



« Reply #383 on: May 06, 2023, 15:53 »
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We have a DHL parcel carrier. My favorite parcel carrier. He is Russian, comes from the region north of Moscow and is a very likeable, friendly and hardworking young man.
About 2 months ago he did not come alone, but had a new employee with him, whom he had to train. It turned out in the conversation that the young man was from Ukraine.

I asked them both if there were any problems between them. They laughed and hugged each other to prove that there were no problems.

These are pictures that I would like to see in the media. Maybe then it would become clear that not a people, but often only parts of a people are the problem.
In fact, there is nothing good in this story. Ukraine is not at war with Putin, Ukraine is at war with the Russian people. Not Putin came to Ukraine, and not Putin kills Ukrainian women and children. It is the Russian people who kill Ukrainians.
As for that young man from Ukraine, ask him how he was able to leave Ukraine. Now in Ukraine there is a general mobilization, and people aged 18 to 60 do not have the right to cross the border, it is a criminal offense. So, this young man, not only is he hiding from mobilization, is not defending his country, but he is also hugging Russians. It's a shame.  :-[

« Reply #384 on: May 06, 2023, 16:15 »
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"Canadian regulator launches public consultation on banning Fox News from cable packages"
Great news! This channel is the mouthpiece of Russian propaganda in America, and not only Russian. It would be even better if this channel were closed in the US as well.

Annie2022

« Reply #385 on: May 06, 2023, 17:07 »
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"Canadian regulator launches public consultation on banning Fox News from cable packages"
Great news! This channel is the mouthpiece of Russian propaganda in America, and not only Russian. It would be even better if this channel were closed in the US as well.

Not sure whether they can ban it in America because of the USA 1st Amendment (where the government cannot interfere with the expression of free speech, free press, etc), which we discussed earlier. Canada, of course, does not have that first amendment.

But depending on how much income Fox News makes from Canada, it may make them more accountable. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 

« Reply #386 on: May 06, 2023, 17:20 »
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2/3 of the population of Russia (if not all 90%) support Putin and the killing of Ukrainians.
It looks like you took these figures from "Russian propaganda"). In fact, in my environment, I see  absolutely the opposite picture. Of course, my scientific environment is very specific, but nevertheless, I observe a different situation from the inside. None of my close friends and relatives are happy with the current situation and human deaths.

I think that Russian stockers should be banned from all stocks so that they do not finance the terrorist and fascist regime.
Could it be more effective to ban Biden for buying Russian uranium? The share of Russia in the supply of uranium for the needs of the US nuclear power industry is about 20%. This is not comparable to the small money from taxes on Russian stockers (6% tax on the self-employed, which goes to the regional budget at the place of residence).

I have spoken.

Thank you, Zastavkin, for reporting here. I suppose, its not easy.

First of all, I believe your assessment from your personal experience.

But if I were Russian and against the war, I would do everything I could to get that across to the rest of the world. I know that this is not easy.

But you yourself are able to post here. And nothing like that happens from others before. Nada, Nothing. You are the only known russian here who speaks out against the war.
 
You have a crappy reputation now. If I'm honest, I don't want to bump into Russians on vacation in Turkey or Thailand for example.

Recently I saw a report in which it turned out that most Russian men leave the country not because they are against Putin or the war, but rather because they have no desire to fight in the war personally.

I would be happy if you or others convince me of the opposite.

But at the moment I can't help feeling that the majority of the Russian population is in favor of the war and considers it justified. This has nothing to do with russian propaganda.













« Reply #387 on: May 07, 2023, 02:29 »
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But if I were Russian and against the war, I would do everything I could to get that across to the rest of the world. I know that this is not easy.
There are no normal or "good" Russians, it's a myth that they exist. All these "good" Russians fail at the 5 questions I asked above. This is a test of a person's democracy. Almost all Russians are happy with Putin's results, but some just don't like the methods. This is the so-called "opposition" there.
Any normal person - a citizen of the Russian Federation, regardless of his nationality, would have either left a fascist country a long time ago or joined partisans and blew up military trains, fuel depots, warehouses with fuel, ammunition, or would have joined the Ukrainian army and fought on the battlefield with the Russian fascism. By the way, not much, but there are Russians who left Russia and joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2023, 03:18 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #388 on: May 07, 2023, 02:35 »
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"Canadian regulator launches public consultation on banning Fox News from cable packages"
Great news! This channel is the mouthpiece of Russian propaganda in America, and not only Russian. It would be even better if this channel were closed in the US as well.

Not sure whether they can ban it in America because of the USA 1st Amendment (where the government cannot interfere with the expression of free speech, free press, etc), which we discussed earlier. Canada, of course, does not have that first amendment.

But depending on how much income Fox News makes from Canada, it may make them more accountable. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
If a channel promotes fascism, violence, homophobia, racism, then how can a constitution protect such a channel from justice?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2023, 02:45 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #389 on: May 07, 2023, 05:57 »
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How artificial intelligence sees Moscow.  8)

« Reply #390 on: May 07, 2023, 15:01 »
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But if I were Russian and against the war, I would do everything I could to get that across to the rest of the world. I know that this is not easy.
There are no normal or "good" Russians, it's a myth that they exist. All these "good" Russians fail at the 5 questions I asked above. This is a test of a person's democracy. Almost all Russians are happy with Putin's results, but some just don't like the methods. This is the so-called "opposition" there.
Any normal person - a citizen of the Russian Federation, regardless of his nationality, would have either left a fascist country a long time ago or joined partisans and blew up military trains, fuel depots, warehouses with fuel, ammunition, or would have joined the Ukrainian army and fought on the battlefield with the Russian fascism. By the way, not much, but there are Russians who left Russia and joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

stocker2014:Sorry, but the world is not like that! I hate this pigeonholing, because it is exactly what is not true.Not all Germans are *, not all soccer fans are hooligans, not all US Americans are fat and not all Russians are monsters. And not all Ukrainians are nice people either.I am very sure that a great many people in Russia would wish with all their hearts that the war in Ukraine had never taken place.

« Reply #391 on: May 07, 2023, 15:28 »
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But if I were Russian and against the war, I would do everything I could to get that across to the rest of the world. I know that this is not easy.
There are no normal or "good" Russians, it's a myth that they exist. All these "good" Russians fail at the 5 questions I asked above. This is a test of a person's democracy. Almost all Russians are happy with Putin's results, but some just don't like the methods. This is the so-called "opposition" there.
Any normal person - a citizen of the Russian Federation, regardless of his nationality, would have either left a fascist country a long time ago or joined partisans and blew up military trains, fuel depots, warehouses with fuel, ammunition, or would have joined the Ukrainian army and fought on the battlefield with the Russian fascism. By the way, not much, but there are Russians who left Russia and joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

stocker2014:Sorry, but the world is not like that! I hate this pigeonholing, because it is exactly what is not true.Not all Germans are *, not all soccer fans are hooligans, not all US Americans are fat and not all Russians are monsters. And not all Ukrainians are nice people either.I am very sure that a great many people in Russia would wish with all their hearts that the war in Ukraine had never taken place.

Wilm, in principle I'm right there with you - concerning other nationalities  ;)

I would still like to know what makes Russians tick.

I think that none of us plans to travel to Russia to meet Russians. But you don't have to go that far.
Russians have rediscovered their love of travel during the war. In Thailand, Turkey, Sri Lanka, UAE and Egypt, Russian tourist numbers are almost at normal levels.
Indonesia is probably just overrun, and there they have restricted visas for Russians again.

Here 2 quotations from Indonesian newspapers:

"In Bali, 22,500 Russians arrived in January 2023, making them the second most frequent visitors after Australians. Some of them are a nuisance in their own right. They get drunk and make a ruckus, dress inappropriately for temple visits, post pictures on social media of themselves showing their bare behinds at holy sites, ride motorcycles in shorts and T-shirts, fall and cause traffic accidents."

"When we receive reports of foreigners behaving badly, they are almost always Russians," a local police officer in the city of Kuta told CNN, declining to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue."

And on the start of the war from Egypt from ukrainian tourist:

"On the first day of the war, "in the hotel you could see exactly who was from Ukraine and who was from Russia," Volodimir Bilov said. "The Ukrainians were crying, sitting by the phone, following news, trying to contact family. The Russians, on the other hand, were in high spirits. They were singing, dancing and enjoying life. I heard from them things like: Our army will show the Ukrainians. Ukraine will soon be ours. I am very angry with Russia and with the Russians. I will never forgive them, even my son will not forgive them."



« Reply #392 on: May 07, 2023, 16:06 »
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But if I were Russian and against the war, I would do everything I could to get that across to the rest of the world. I know that this is not easy.
There are no normal or "good" Russians, it's a myth that they exist. All these "good" Russians fail at the 5 questions I asked above. This is a test of a person's democracy. Almost all Russians are happy with Putin's results, but some just don't like the methods. This is the so-called "opposition" there.
Any normal person - a citizen of the Russian Federation, regardless of his nationality, would have either left a fascist country a long time ago or joined partisans and blew up military trains, fuel depots, warehouses with fuel, ammunition, or would have joined the Ukrainian army and fought on the battlefield with the Russian fascism. By the way, not much, but there are Russians who left Russia and joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

stocker2014:Sorry, but the world is not like that! I hate this pigeonholing, because it is exactly what is not true.Not all Germans are *, not all soccer fans are hooligans, not all US Americans are fat and not all Russians are monsters. And not all Ukrainians are nice people either.I am very sure that a great many people in Russia would wish with all their hearts that the war in Ukraine had never taken place.

Wilm, in principle I'm right there with you - concerning other nationalities  ;)

I would still like to know what makes Russians tick.

I think that none of us plans to travel to Russia to meet Russians. But you don't have to go that far.
Russians have rediscovered their love of travel during the war. In Thailand, Turkey, Sri Lanka, UAE and Egypt, Russian tourist numbers are almost at normal levels.
Indonesia is probably just overrun, and there they have restricted visas for Russians again.

Here 2 quotations from Indonesian newspapers:

"In Bali, 22,500 Russians arrived in January 2023, making them the second most frequent visitors after Australians. Some of them are a nuisance in their own right. They get drunk and make a ruckus, dress inappropriately for temple visits, post pictures on social media of themselves showing their bare behinds at holy sites, ride motorcycles in shorts and T-shirts, fall and cause traffic accidents."

"When we receive reports of foreigners behaving badly, they are almost always Russians," a local police officer in the city of Kuta told CNN, declining to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue."

And on the start of the war from Egypt from ukrainian tourist:

"On the first day of the war, "in the hotel you could see exactly who was from Ukraine and who was from Russia," Volodimir Bilov said. "The Ukrainians were crying, sitting by the phone, following news, trying to contact family. The Russians, on the other hand, were in high spirits. They were singing, dancing and enjoying life. I heard from them things like: Our army will show the Ukrainians. Ukraine will soon be ours. I am very angry with Russia and with the Russians. I will never forgive them, even my son will not forgive them."

Ralf, I know the negative reports about the behavior of Russian tourists also from different countries.

I have no idea how it works in Russia. But I assume that the wealthy Russians are the problematic clientele. And that those are the very Russians who can afford to travel and be arrogant because they have become wealthy by Putin's grace. But that certainly doesn't apply across the board to all Russians - that's what I was trying to say.

Basically, however, I agree with you: where I was, the Russians who were also there left a very bad image and ensured a miserable perception of the Russians in the region.

« Reply #393 on: May 07, 2023, 16:59 »
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But if I were Russian and against the war, I would do everything I could to get that across to the rest of the world. I know that this is not easy.
There are no normal or "good" Russians, it's a myth that they exist. All these "good" Russians fail at the 5 questions I asked above. This is a test of a person's democracy. Almost all Russians are happy with Putin's results, but some just don't like the methods. This is the so-called "opposition" there.
Any normal person - a citizen of the Russian Federation, regardless of his nationality, would have either left a fascist country a long time ago or joined partisans and blew up military trains, fuel depots, warehouses with fuel, ammunition, or would have joined the Ukrainian army and fought on the battlefield with the Russian fascism. By the way, not much, but there are Russians who left Russia and joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

stocker2014:Sorry, but the world is not like that! I hate this pigeonholing, because it is exactly what is not true.Not all Germans are *, not all soccer fans are hooligans, not all US Americans are fat and not all Russians are monsters. And not all Ukrainians are nice people either.I am very sure that a great many people in Russia would wish with all their hearts that the war in Ukraine had never taken place.
You are an idealist. And that's not bad.
I also wrote that there are some Russians who are normal. You can discuss specific good friends or acquaintances, or you can talk about the nation in general. So the Russian nation have big problems, and the problems have long been. They are slaves in their mentality, they always need a king, they do not need democracy, they do not understand it and do not want it. You can often deal with a single Russian, but when they are combined, they are a threat to other nations and countries. The Russian empire must be liquidated, and this will benefit the Russians in the first place.
In Russia, the victory of democratic forces is not possible, no one will support them there. Only fascism wins in Russia. Yes, there is an "opposition" in Russia, but it is not legitimate there, it does not have the support of the people.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2023, 17:02 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #394 on: May 08, 2023, 03:49 »
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But that certainly doesn't apply across the board to all Russians - that's what I was trying to say.
Russia as it is.



















« Reply #395 on: May 08, 2023, 04:08 »
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In Russia, of course, there was a lot of money, from the trade in oil, gas, drugs, weapons. But all the money either went into the pocket of Putin and the Russian oligarchs, or was spent on the war. As a result, a Russian person has nothing to lose, he lives below the poverty line. Well, as I already wrote, in Russia there are only two cities in which luxury is maintained for advertising and lies, but in other cities everything is exactly as in the photo.

« Reply #396 on: May 08, 2023, 07:18 »
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Well, as I already wrote, in Russia there are only two cities in which luxury is maintained for advertising and lies, but in other cities everything is exactly as in the photo.
Exactly!))
My siberian provincial town Novosibirsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8zk_evi-W8

« Reply #397 on: May 08, 2023, 13:37 »
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Bakhmut, Ukraine.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine destroy the machine-gun crew of Russian fascists in a high-rise building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvmWe5ovVRk

Annie2022

« Reply #398 on: May 08, 2023, 21:23 »
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There's a new documentary coming out about Ukraine by Bernard-Henri Lvy.

I like what he said about 'true bravery' in this interview on the weekend with CNN's Fareed Zakaria.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/05/07/exp-gps-bernard-henri-lvy-ukraine-documentary-050710aseg1-cnn-world.cnn

« Reply #399 on: May 09, 2023, 03:50 »
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Today in Moscow there is a victory parade of Russian fascists, murderers and war criminals. These are all elements of Russian propaganda. Fascists beat their chests and shout to the whole world that they are not fascists. No one came to this parade from the civilized countries of the world.
Putin is not real there, it is his double.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SiXw-W9wGA
« Last Edit: May 09, 2023, 03:52 by stoker2014 »


 

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