Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 142793 times)

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3775 on:** April 19, 2024, 04:58 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 19, 2024, 03:24

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 16:14
The REPO Act is about confiscating russian assets worldwide, not just in the US, and about preventing the US president to lift the existing sanctions against russia without Congress approval (something that maga is expecting trump to do). Do your homework: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/4175
1. I have already read this.
2. There is no mention of the lifting of sanctions.

1 No, you didn't.
2. See the text below, explicitly forbidding the president to lift sanctions against russia without Congressional approval, before russia stops the aggression, pays compensations for it, and begins the reconstructuion of Ukraine under international supervison.
https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr4175/BILLS-118hr4175ih.pdf

This is meant to prevent trump from lifting the sanctions as soon as he seizes power, as part of his announced "plan" to "end the war in 24 hours".
This is why his maga loyalists are fighting against this common-sense law.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3776 on:** April 19, 2024, 05:33 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 19, 2024, 03:24

You write lies and propaganda from Democrats. That's what Democratic trolls do.
Your "evidence" is not evidence. You are copying some gossip and snippets of phrases here. This is exactly the crap that Russian propaganda does.
How many Republicans are against the bill to help Ukraine will only be seen after voting on Saturday. But this won’t say anything either. Some Republicans are concerned not with Ukraine, but with other issues. Protecting the US borders is an issue of the same importance as assistance to Ukraine. The lousy Democrats have endangered the security of the United States with their cretin policies. Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists illegally enter the United States. Biden should be put in the electric chair! The Democratic Party needs to be banned!

These are not "lies and propaganda" from the Democrats. These are statements from maga members, rallying their troops in an attempt to block the pro-Ukraine bill you endorsed.
Don't worry, the bill will pass with almost unanimous Democratic support as it passed in the US House Rules Committee, when all Democrats voted in favor. I suppose they are falling into that trap of yours and they didn't realize it.

You are so gullible that now you even buy into maga populist rhetoric.
Suddenly, you seem to care more about an unrelated migration into the US topic than about the ever-shrinking Ukrainian borders.
You now endorse and justify the position of those who want to reject the pro-Ukrainian bill that you endorsed.
Don't you see how foolish this is?

You are afraid to put your honor where your big mouth is, afraid to commit to and endorse your moronic statements. But you have no problem calling others cowards....

Fyi, here are more "lies and propoganda from Democrats" below, written by other maga members (sorry, I can only add max 4 attachments):

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3777 on:** April 19, 2024, 06:56 »

Quote from: trucic on April 19, 2024, 04:51

… and again, you have missed a point…
Donald Trump moans: ‘Why isn’t Europe giving more money to help Ukraine?’
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-moan-why-europe-not-give-more-money-help-ukraine/

This article says the same thing that Trump said and what I published. If you have any objections, write in clear language.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3778 on:** April 19, 2024, 07:05 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 19, 2024, 04:58

2. See the text below, explicitly forbidding the president to lift sanctions against russia without Congressional approval, before russia stops the aggression, pays compensations for it, and begins the reconstructuion of Ukraine under international supervison.
https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr4175/BILLS-118hr4175ih.pdf

This is all lies and propaganda of the Democrats. The whole world sees what useless sanctions the Democrats and Biden have imposed against Russia. These sanctions do not achieve their goal and do not weaken the Russians to win for Ukraine. All this is populism and beautiful words from the bas.tards of the Democrats.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 19, 2024, 04:58

This is meant to prevent trump from lifting the sanctions as soon as he seizes power, as part of his announced "plan" to "end the war in 24 hours".
This is why his maga loyalists are fighting against this common-sense law.

Everything you have written is a dirty lie and propaganda of cowardly democrats (friends of the Russians).

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3779 on:** April 19, 2024, 07:08 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 19, 2024, 05:33

Don't you see how foolish this is?

I see only dirty propaganda and lies from Democrats in all your posts. You get paid for this, so you write the same thing every day.
I have already spoken on all this issue in a language understandable to all readers.
I'm leaving you alone.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3780 on:** April 19, 2024, 07:43 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 19, 2024, 07:05

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 19, 2024, 04:58
2. See the text below, explicitly forbidding the president to lift sanctions against russia without Congressional approval, before russia stops the aggression, pays compensations for it, and begins the reconstructuion of Ukraine under international supervison.
https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr4175/BILLS-118hr4175ih.pdf
This is all lies and propaganda of the Democrats. The whole world sees what useless sanctions the Democrats and Biden have imposed against Russia. These sanctions do not achieve their goal and do not weaken the Russians to win for Ukraine. All this is populism and beautiful words from the bas.tards of the Democrats.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 19, 2024, 04:58
This is meant to prevent trump from lifting the sanctions as soon as he seizes power, as part of his announced "plan" to "end the war in 24 hours".
This is why his maga loyalists are fighting against this common-sense law.
Everything you have written is a dirty lie and propaganda of cowardly democrats (friends of the Russians).

Look closer. The bill is introduced by an old-school Republican, Michael McCaul, whom you praised before. He is one of the authors of that paper on Ukraine strategy that you endorsed here. Now the guy is spreading lies and propaganda for the Democrats! Right... right...

JD Vance, with his statement below, is a maga member. You also endorsed the op-ed he published in the New York Times.
In your head, now maga members are spreading lies and propaganda for the Democrats... right... right...

You don't even care about logic and facts in the face of this torrent of overwhelming evidence, all coming exclusively from maga members.

All you can do is cover your ears and repeat the same stupidity like a petulant child.

trucic · « **Reply #3781 on:** April 19, 2024, 08:16 »

… Bram was a mistery for me, but it seems that he is working for both sides…

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3782 on:** April 19, 2024, 08:37 »

Quote from: trucic on April 19, 2024, 08:16

… Bram was a mistery for me, but it seems that he is working for both sides…

A useful idiot or useful fool is a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals...

trucic · « **Reply #3783 on:** April 19, 2024, 09:35 »

… in boredom… but some are having fun here, obviously…

Wilm · « **Reply #3784 on:** April 19, 2024, 09:46 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 16:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 14:27
Wilm, I still hope that, even if they are a minority inside the GOP now, there are still enough old-school Republicans left in Congress so that together with an almost unanimous pro-Ukraine vote from the Democrats, the bill will pass.

maga and trump are indeed an existential threat for Ukraine.

Another example (see below): JD Vance, another maga representative, the same who wrote that Op-Ed in the NY Times justifying how Ukraine should give putin what he wants in exchange for an illusory peace (mentioned a few pages ago), is against the REPO Act meant to seize russian assets and give them to Ukraine, being concerned that it will remove trump's ability to negotiate with putin!
JD Vance is instead trying to convince his colleagues to protect putin's billions.

And stoker still needs proofs...

Yes, some members of the Republican Party want to show off and are engaged in populism. But only Democratic trolls can inflate all this nonsense to the level of a worldwide Republican conspiracy against Ukraine. You are funny.

That's absolutely crazy.

Everything is black or white with you. All Russians are orcs. All Europeans are parasites. Everything that suits you is correct - everything that doesn't suit you comes from the KGB and is propaganda.

And now you're making an exception in your completely entrenched world view? A few members of the Republicans? Why are you suddenly able to differentiate?

Wilm · « **Reply #3785 on:** April 19, 2024, 09:52 »

The way I see it, there will never be any weapons from the USA for Ukraine that would make it possible to attack Russia directly and on a large scale. Anyone with even half a normal mind can imagine what that would lead to. The Democrats know that, the Republicans know that.

Therefore, from my point of view, there are two perspectives:

- The hope that at some point the Republicans will at least release the delivery of the large aid package with defense weapons (which is already failing and will become an even bigger problem if the Republicans should not win the election)

- Trump's negotiations with his buddy Putin, which will at least result in the recognition of Crimea, Donbass and Luhansk as Russian territories.

In the second case, Trump will spin it rhetorically by claiming that he had no other negotiating option because Putin wants compensation for the losses from the arms deliveries that the Democrats were able to push through. In short: Trump will say that we could have negotiated better from Ukraine's point of view if Ukraine had not resisted. But the Democrats prevented this by supplying weapons. And then he will pat himself on the back:

- he was able to blame the Democrats for Ukraine having to cede territory to Russia

- from his point of view, the conflict has been resolved, as he had promised

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3786 on:** April 19, 2024, 09:53 »

Burns: Ukraine could lose by end of 2024

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/18/burns-ukraine-aid-2024-00153129
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1. There is no trust in Burns in Ukraine. He also works for the Democrats (=Russians).
2. Without F16 and long-range missiles, the fate of Ukraine depends only on luck and the stupidity of the Russian orcs.
3. US aid may be accepted on Saturday, but if the bas.tard Biden does not allow long-range missiles to be delivered to Ukraine, this aid will be of very little use.
4. Now the Russians are striking the Ukrainian Armed Forces with air bombs weighing 500 kg each. Without the F16, such attacks are extremely difficult to repel, I would say not possible.

Conclusion: Ukraine needs not only the help that the idiot democrats are shouting about. Ukraine needs aviation and long-range missiles. The only hope is for Trump to win the election.
Conclusion 2: I don’t think that Ukraine will lose the war in the time frame this Burns is talking about. But fighting without aviation and long-range missiles is not right (to put it mildly).

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3787 on:** April 19, 2024, 09:56 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 19, 2024, 09:46

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 16:03
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 14:27
Wilm, I still hope that, even if they are a minority inside the GOP now, there are still enough old-school Republicans left in Congress so that together with an almost unanimous pro-Ukraine vote from the Democrats, the bill will pass.

maga and trump are indeed an existential threat for Ukraine.

Another example (see below): JD Vance, another maga representative, the same who wrote that Op-Ed in the NY Times justifying how Ukraine should give putin what he wants in exchange for an illusory peace (mentioned a few pages ago), is against the REPO Act meant to seize russian assets and give them to Ukraine, being concerned that it will remove trump's ability to negotiate with putin!
JD Vance is instead trying to convince his colleagues to protect putin's billions.

And stoker still needs proofs...

Yes, some members of the Republican Party want to show off and are engaged in populism. But only Democratic trolls can inflate all this nonsense to the level of a worldwide Republican conspiracy against Ukraine. You are funny.

That's absolutely crazy.

Everything is black or white with you. All Russians are orcs. All Europeans are parasites. Everything that suits you is correct - everything that doesn't suit you comes from the KGB and is propaganda.

And now you're making an exception in your completely entrenched world view? A few members of the Republicans? Why are you suddenly able to differentiate?

"All Russians are orcs. Many Europeans are parasites."
+100

I know the goals of the Republicans, so their actions are clear to me.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3788 on:** April 19, 2024, 10:00 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 19, 2024, 09:52

The way I see it, there will never be any weapons from the USA for Ukraine that would make it possible to attack Russia directly and on a large scale. Anyone with even half a normal mind can imagine what that would lead to. The Democrats know that, the Republicans know that.

Therefore, from my point of view, there are two perspectives:

- The hope that at some point the Republicans will at least release the delivery of the large aid package with defense weapons (which is already failing and will become an even bigger problem if the Republicans should not win the election)

- Trump's negotiations with his buddy Putin, which will at least result in the recognition of Crimea, Donbass and Luhansk as Russian territories.

In the second case, Trump will spin it rhetorically by claiming that he had no other negotiating option because Putin wants compensation for the losses from the arms deliveries that the Democrats were able to push through. In short: Trump will say that we could have negotiated better from Ukraine's point of view if Ukraine had not resisted. But the Democrats prevented this by supplying weapons. And then he will pat himself on the back:

- he was able to blame the Democrats for Ukraine having to cede territory to Russia

- from his point of view, the conflict has been resolved, as he had promised

1. There is no such thing as a defensive weapon when an army is attacking you using all types of conventional weapons (conventional for now).
2. The Russians' goal is to occupy all of Ukraine and many EU countries. Therefore, any capitulation of Ukraine will only be temporary. In a few months, the Russians will create another provocation, blame the Ukrainian Armed Forces and continue the offensive. You are repeating what Democrats have said about Trump. It's a lie.
3. You perceive Ukraine as a Europarasite. It is not right. Trump or Scholz or Merkel cannot order Ukraine to sign a surrender or stop fighting. This was only possible when the KGB agent Poroshenko was the president of Ukraine.
I see that Kyiv and Ukrainian society have decided to fight to the end, and even without weapons.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3789 on:** April 19, 2024, 12:37 »

Azov Brigade asks to be removed from blacklists blocking supply of Western weapons

Denys Prokopenko, the Commander of the Azov Assault Brigade, has called for the brigade to be removed from the US Appropriations Bill, which prohibits Azov from receiving Western weaponry.

Quote: "Nonsense. That’s the first word that comes to mind in the context of the current ban on supplying Azov with Western weapons…

Since 2017, and to this day, a number of US Consolidated Appropriations Bills have contained the following amendment: ‘None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide arms, training, or other assistance to the Azov Battalion’. It is also present in this year's Defence Appropriation Bill [...].

I emphasise that the very existence of such amendments and prohibitions not only prevents Azov from performing its combat missions more effectively, but is a blow to the defence capability of our country, tarnishes Ukraine's image on the international level, and is humiliating for the entire Ukrainian army."

Details: Prokopenko stressed that the amendment was added to the bills without any proof, relying solely on the word of the Western media, which formed their opinion under the influence of Russian propaganda.

This amendment is the reason why Azov was not equipped with the most advanced Western-supplied weapons during the defence of Mariupol in 2022.

Even after the 2022 full-scale invasion, the amendment has prevented Azov from sending its soldiers to most of the leading Western military exercises and from receiving the vitally needed weapons that the Allies provide to Ukraine.

There is no evidence or confirmation of the lies that Russian propaganda has been spreading about Azov for the past 10 years.

Nowadays, delegations of Azov soldiers are welcomed in the United States and Europe. Azov members have met with representatives of the US Congress and human rights organisations, and have delivered speeches at the UN, the Council of Europe, and leading Western universities.

Prokopenko stressed that Azov is welcomed at the highest level throughout the West, yet it is still not given weapons.

The commander added that Azov was the first military unit in Ukraine to adopt NATO standards on its own initiative: "With no Western weapons, we have become one of the most combat-ready units in the country in 10 years."

Prokopenko called for Azov to be removed from the US Appropriations Bill and all blacklists.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/19/7452026/
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+100

Glory to Ukraine!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3790 on:** April 19, 2024, 12:46 »

Get that idiot Biden to jail quickly!
His words make it possible for China to occupy the Pacific region.

‘Lost for words’: Joe Biden’s tale about cannibals bemuses Papua New Guinea residents

President’s suggestion that his ‘Uncle Bosie’ was eaten by cannibals harms US efforts to build Pacific ties, say local experts

Joe Biden’s suggestion that his uncle may have been eaten by cannibals in Papua New Guinea during world war two has been met with a mixture of bemusement and criticism in the country.

Analysts in Papua New Guinea who were shown his comments described the claims as unsubstantiated and poorly judged, pointing out that they come at a time when US has been seeking to strengthen its ties with the country, and counter Chinese influence in the Pacific region.

“The Melanesian group of people, who Papua New Guinea is part of, are a very proud people,” said Michael Kabuni, a lecturer in political science at the University of Papua New Guinea. “And they would find this kind of categorisation very offensive. Not because someone says ‘oh there used to be cannibalism in PNG’ – yes, we know that, that’s a fact.

“But taking it out of context, and implying that your [uncle] jumps out of the plane and somehow we think it’s a good meal is unacceptable.”

About 79,000 US soldiers remain unaccounted following the second world war, Kabuni added. “They’re spread from south-east Asia to the Korean peninsula and Europe. What is [Biden] implying? All 79,000 that were never found were eaten?”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/19/joe-biden-uncle-bosie-cannibals-eaten-papua-new-guinea
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Biden - fuck you! Idiot.

trucic · « **Reply #3791 on:** April 19, 2024, 12:48 »

… only X-fighters or few NCCs, if possible 1701 could help in this phase of war….

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3792 on:** April 19, 2024, 12:51 »

Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine, has made a speech at a Ukraine-NATO council and urged Ukraine’s partners to supply Ukraine with the armament it needs as soon as possible.

Zelenskyy also insists that Ukraine must receive long-range weapons and aircraft.

+100

trucic · « **Reply #3793 on:** April 19, 2024, 13:19 »

… not going to happen, soon… lot of trust have been already lost with previous promisses… simpy you have to understand giving that that kind of weapons to Ukraine is not in USAs and EUs interest… and the whole world…

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3794 on:** April 19, 2024, 15:43 »

We are all looking at the mental abilities of the current US President Biden.

Joey Mannarino

@JoeyMannarinoUS
“How did we get to the point where Putin decided he was just going to invade Russia?” - Joe Biden

There is no way this man is fit to lead the United States.

I wouldn’t even let him call out numbers at BINGO.

https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1781047756506771835

+100

Biden! Leave the White House immediately. If you don’t know where the doors are, Trump will lead you out himself.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3795 on:** April 19, 2024, 15:46 »

So, trolls from the US Democratic Party are convincing people to vote for the crazy Biden.
Democratic trolls = enemies of the USA.

AM24 · « **Reply #3796 on:** April 19, 2024, 16:49 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 19, 2024, 15:46

So, trolls from the US Democratic Party are convincing people to vote for the crazy Biden.
Democratic trolls = enemies of the USA.

The Democrats just saved your country. You should kiss the ground they walk on.

"With rare bipartisan momentum, the House pushed ahead Friday on a foreign aid package of $95 billion for Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and humanitarian support as a robust coalition of lawmakers helped it clear a procedural hurdle to reach final votes this weekend. Friday’s vote produced a seldom-seen outcome in the typically hyper-partisan House, with Democrats helping Republican Speaker Mike Johnson’s plan advance overwhelmingly 316-94. Final House approval could come this weekend, when the package would be sent to the Senate.

In an extremely rare step, the members of the House Rules Committee joined forces late Thursday in a near midnight vote, the four Democrats giving their support on a procedural step, to push past the Republican majority's three hard-line holdouts to send the package to the House floor for debate on a 9-3 vote. It was a moment unseen in recent House memory."

AM24 · « **Reply #3797 on:** April 19, 2024, 17:02 »

Biden-appointed CIA Director spoke out the day before:

"CIA Director Bill Burns on Thursday warned that unless US sends more military support, Ukraine could “lose” the war against Russia by the end of the year.

His comments mark one of the starkest warnings to date from the Biden administration on the stakes in Ukraine as Congress debates whether to approve a long-delayed aid package to Kyiv."

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3798 on:** April 19, 2024, 21:04 »

Quote from: AM24 on April 19, 2024, 16:49

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 19, 2024, 15:46
So, trolls from the US Democratic Party are convincing people to vote for the crazy Biden.
Democratic trolls = enemies of the USA.

The Democrats just saved your country. You should kiss the ground they walk on.

"With rare bipartisan momentum, the House pushed ahead Friday on a foreign aid package of $95 billion for Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and humanitarian support as a robust coalition of lawmakers helped it clear a procedural hurdle to reach final votes this weekend. Friday’s vote produced a seldom-seen outcome in the typically hyper-partisan House, with Democrats helping Republican Speaker Mike Johnson’s plan advance overwhelmingly 316-94. Final House approval could come this weekend, when the package would be sent to the Senate.

In an extremely rare step, the members of the House Rules Committee joined forces late Thursday in a near midnight vote, the four Democrats giving their support on a procedural step, to push past the Republican majority's three hard-line holdouts to send the package to the House floor for debate on a 9-3 vote. It was a moment unseen in recent House memory."

This is great news for Ukraine! 👍

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3799 on:** April 20, 2024, 02:29 »

Quote from: AM24 on April 19, 2024, 16:49

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 19, 2024, 15:46
So, trolls from the US Democratic Party are convincing people to vote for the crazy Biden.
Democratic trolls = enemies of the USA.

The Democrats just saved your country. You should kiss the ground they walk on.

1. From the 11th minute, the representative of Ukraine in the United States says that the Democrats initially did everything so that assistance would not be provided to Ukraine. Democrats delayed voting on aid to Ukraine in October 2023. They did this in order to blame the Republicans.

https://youtu.be/JXgqphJZiQc

2. Democrats are obliged to provide assistance to Ukraine according to the Budapest memorandum.

3. This aid has not yet been voted on. Voting will only take place today. And we will see whether it will be accepted. In any case, Biden helped putin force elections in russia while Ukraine did not have enough weapons to attack. Biden has fulfilled his agreements with putin to support russia. Now, of course, they will provide some assistance to Ukraine.

4. There is only $15 billion worth of military aid there. This is very, very little.

5. I hope the Republicans will investigate the Democrats' ties to the Russians and begin legal proceedings against Biden.

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