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stoker2014 · « **Reply #550 on:** June 11, 2023, 12:40 »

Bullying of Ukrainian in Czech school. Russian propaganda works well with Czechs and Germans. The idea is being introduced that Russia is a good country, but Ukraine is not a country at all and that Ukrainians are not people.
https://us.firenews.video/world-news/pavel-accepted-a-ukrainian-girl-who-was-being-bullied-by-czech-classmates/

https://svidomi.in.ua/en/page/the-czech-president-meets-with-a-ukrainian-girl-who-was-bullied-at-school

https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1667844839587692544

Zero Talent · « **Reply #551 on:** June 11, 2023, 13:47 »

Quote from: SVH on June 09, 2023, 12:01

So please, show me proof and motive and maybe I will be convinced.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #552 on:** June 11, 2023, 14:12 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 11, 2023, 13:47

Quote from: SVH on June 09, 2023, 12:01
So please, show me proof and motive and maybe I will be convinced.

That is no proof

By the way, the Ukranians also said the russians blew up the Nord Stream gas pipelines. But they did it themselves. Is that then also proof that they also blew up the dam themselves?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #553 on:** June 12, 2023, 02:11 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 11, 2023, 13:47

Quote from: SVH on June 09, 2023, 12:01
So please, show me proof and motive and maybe I will be convinced.

This ~~SVH~~ here on the forum relays the narratives of Russian propaganda. Before the explosion, the Russians launched a new wave of propaganda against Ukraine. It makes no sense to react to the lies of Russian terrorists and war criminals.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #554 on:** June 13, 2023, 04:04 »

June 13, 2023. Kryvy Rih, Ukraine. The terrorist country Russia fired missiles at residential buildings in the city. There will probably be 16 dead and many injured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNrsi60JyZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDcO1D6l5w

This is the genocide of the Ukrainian people.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #555 on:** June 13, 2023, 08:36 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on June 13, 2023, 04:04

This is the genocide of the Ukrainian people.

russians have apparently realised that everything sent towards Kyiv is taken down by the air defense, thus being a waste of resources from their side..

So they decided to bring their terror to other civilian objectives where the defense is not that good.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #556 on:** June 13, 2023, 11:10 »

Yes, Ukraine needs F16 fighters aircraft, they can close the sky over Ukraine from Russian missiles and help the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a military attack.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #557 on:** June 16, 2023, 04:39 »

Ukraine. Destruction of the Russian military column. Great screen saver for any gadget screen. You can look at this forever.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/203612502163084

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #558 on:** June 17, 2023, 05:07 »

A war criminal, the president and tsar of the Russian Empire began to blackmail the planet with the spread of nuclear weapons. Russian propaganda is actively spreading disinformation about the deployment of nuclear weapons in the terrorist country of Belarus. The purpose of this propaganda is that the court in The Hague lift Putin's arrest in exchange for non-deployment of nuclear weapons in Belarus.
In fact, the reality is that there are no warehouses for storing nuclear weapons on the territory of Belarus, the Russians are bluffing. In any case, it would be a mistake to remove the arrest from Putin.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #559 on:** June 17, 2023, 09:44 »

russkiy mir (russian: pусский мир) is an ambiguous ideological concept and a political doctrine usually defined as the sphere of cultural and political influence of russia. It is also known as the "russian world".

russkiy mir was conceived as a russian “diaspora empire,” with particular importance continually placed on the “russian enclaves” in its “near abroad” – that is, on the European countries of the former soviet union, such as Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova.

It also translates as "Pax russica", or "russian Peace".
For cityscape photographers, here are some examples of "russian Peace":

stoker2014 · « **Reply #560 on:** June 17, 2023, 11:29 »

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Quote from: stoker2014 on June 06, 2023, 12:15
Australia, the United States of America and Ukraine are negotiating the possible supply of American F/A-18 Hornet fighters to Kyiv. This was reported by The Australian Financial Review on June 6, citing its own sources.

The publication notes that it is about 41 aircraft of the Royal Australian Air Force, which were previously planned to simply be written off.

As the journalists note, in this way, the request of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi regarding combat aviation may be partially fulfilled.

Thanks for informing us. I didn't know about this until I read it here. It wasn't on CNN - or maybe I missed it. But yes, 41 hornet fighter jets.

Unfortunately, the information turned out to be false. These planes are owned by some private organization in Australia and the Australian government has nothing to do with these planes. In general, most likely these aircraft will not be handed over to Ukraine.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #561 on:** June 17, 2023, 14:57 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on June 17, 2023, 11:29

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2023, 14:46
Quote from: stoker2014 on June 06, 2023, 12:15
Australia, the United States of America and Ukraine are negotiating the possible supply of American F/A-18 Hornet fighters to Kyiv. This was reported by The Australian Financial Review on June 6, citing its own sources.

The publication notes that it is about 41 aircraft of the Royal Australian Air Force, which were previously planned to simply be written off.

As the journalists note, in this way, the request of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi regarding combat aviation may be partially fulfilled.

Thanks for informing us. I didn't know about this until I read it here. It wasn't on CNN - or maybe I missed it. But yes, 41 hornet fighter jets.
Unfortunately, the information turned out to be false. These planes are owned by some private organization in Australia and the Australian government has nothing to do with these planes. In general, most likely these aircraft will not be handed over to Ukraine.

Are you sure, Stoker? I find it hard to believe that a private Australian company would own 40+ fighter jets? We are not that big a country, with less than 1/10th of the population of USA.

Where did you get your info from?

I did, however, just find 2 recent articles from 2 and 3 days ago, that reported that there are 46 decommissioned hornet jets located at the RAAF base in Williamstown (that's in the Australian state of Victoria) and the deal is possibly still being negotiated. RAAF stands for the Royal Australian Air Force.

https://www.ibtimes.com/are-australian-f--18-hornets-ukraines-radar-conflict-russia-3700153

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ukraine-interest-australia-f-18-004235504.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

If I lived in that state, I would drive down myself to see if they are there.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #562 on:** June 17, 2023, 15:27 »

Quote from: Annie on June 17, 2023, 14:57

Quote from: stoker2014 on June 17, 2023, 11:29
Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2023, 14:46
Quote from: stoker2014 on June 06, 2023, 12:15
Australia, the United States of America and Ukraine are negotiating the possible supply of American F/A-18 Hornet fighters to Kyiv. This was reported by The Australian Financial Review on June 6, citing its own sources.

The publication notes that it is about 41 aircraft of the Royal Australian Air Force, which were previously planned to simply be written off.

As the journalists note, in this way, the request of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi regarding combat aviation may be partially fulfilled.

Thanks for informing us. I didn't know about this until I read it here. It wasn't on CNN - or maybe I missed it. But yes, 41 hornet fighter jets.
Unfortunately, the information turned out to be false. These planes are owned by some private organization in Australia and the Australian government has nothing to do with these planes. In general, most likely these aircraft will not be handed over to Ukraine.

Are you sure, Stoker? I find it hard to believe that a private Australian company would own 40+ fighter jets? We are not that big a country, with less than 1/10th of the population of USA.

Where did you get your info from?

I did, however, just find 2 recent articles from 2 and 3 days ago, that reported that there are 46 decommissioned hornet jets located at the RAAF base in Williamstown (that's in the Australian state of Victoria) and the deal is possibly still being negotiated. RAAF stands for the Royal Australian Air Force.

https://www.ibtimes.com/are-australian-f--18-hornets-ukraines-radar-conflict-russia-3700153

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ukraine-interest-australia-f-18-004235504.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

If I lived in that state, I would drive down myself to see if they are there.

"Sources close to the negotiations informed ABC that RAVN Aerospace is willing to "on-sell" the Hornets to Ukraine but requires approval from the White House due to the presence of American intellectual property in the fourth-generation fighters."

I listen to some military experts, but they may be wrong.
From your links it follows that a private company is probably in the USA. The bottom line is that the transfer of both F16 and hornet is only possible with US permission. But with this there was a problem. There is information that the United States agreed to transfer the F16 to Ukraine only because Russia began supplying Russian fighters to Iran. The supply of fighter jets to Iran means a threat to Israel (the United States thinks less about Ukraine than about Israel). In response, the US said it would hand over the F16 to Ukraine. Recently, the Russians stopped supplying fighter jets to Iran, and now the US is pulling back. They are already saying that Ukraine will receive the F16 not in the summer or September of this year, but in January 2024. So with the hornet, the United States does not give permission for their transfer (more precisely, sale) to Ukraine. It appears from your links that hornet is both owned by a private company and subject to the will of the US in terms of transfer. I also read that the hornet is being utilization soon. All in all, this is bad news.
Ukraine needs F16 and hornet already today, and even a possible transfer on January or even later is very bad.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #563 on:** June 18, 2023, 16:06 »

Weekdays of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukraine. Hunting for Russian invaders. English subtitles included. Internet Starlink from Elon Musk helps a lot.
https://youtu.be/IEktHtWUiag

Lizard · « **Reply #564 on:** June 20, 2023, 17:38 »

Quote from: Wilm on June 06, 2023, 16:00

Lizard,

this comparison is useless for the argumentation in my view.

If a regional government creates a referendum and only allows the people of that region to vote, this is not a correct democratic process, because the regional government was not authorised by the Spanish constitution to hold a referendum.

If tomorrow the local politicians in Istria hold a referendum to separate Istria from Croatia, the Croatian government would rightly oppose it. Italy would resist if Lombardy did the same. And in these fictitious cases, too, I see no reason why NATO should interfere there.

In contrast to Catalonia, which sought autonomy, the Crimea, the Donbass or Luhansk are not about autonomy, but about becoming part of the Russian empire - that is a completely different background!

Yes and that's exactly what happened in Kosovo. The local separatist Albanian authorities of autonomic province of Kosovo held an illegal independence referendum within the autonomy between 26 and 30 September 1991, and they were not authorized by Serbian republic government of which Kosovo region was essential part of. Then they established paramilitary troops and started ethnically cleaning Serbian population.

So this is same exact example as the ones you stated above.

Can you point out any other differences for discussion, cause as someone who knows the history of the region I don't see any ?

Wilm · « **Reply #565 on:** June 21, 2023, 04:03 »

Quote from: Lizard on June 20, 2023, 17:38

Quote from: Wilm on June 06, 2023, 16:00

Lizard,

this comparison is useless for the argumentation in my view.

If a regional government creates a referendum and only allows the people of that region to vote, this is not a correct democratic process, because the regional government was not authorised by the Spanish constitution to hold a referendum.

If tomorrow the local politicians in Istria hold a referendum to separate Istria from Croatia, the Croatian government would rightly oppose it. Italy would resist if Lombardy did the same. And in these fictitious cases, too, I see no reason why NATO should interfere there.

In contrast to Catalonia, which sought autonomy, the Crimea, the Donbass or Luhansk are not about autonomy, but about becoming part of the Russian empire - that is a completely different background!

Yes and that's exactly what happened in Kosovo. The local separatist Albanian authorities of autonomic province of Kosovo held an illegal independence referendum within the autonomy between 26 and 30 September 1991, and they were not authorized by Serbian republic government of which Kosovo region was essential part of. Then they established paramilitary troops and started ethnically cleaning Serbian population.

So this is same exact example as the ones you stated above.

Can you point out any other differences for discussion, cause as someone who knows the history of the region I don't see any ?

Lizard,

I know that the recognition of Kosovo's autonomy is difficult and controversial.

However, my lines were essentially about the comparison with the Catalan autonomy movement.

As far as I know, the Catalan autonomy movement is not primarily based on ethnic reasons, but mostly economic ones - which is why I made the fictitious comparison with Lombardy.

There is no question that the Catalans, like the Basques, have an independent history and culture. Certain differences and tensions between these regions and the rest of Spain exist (as, for example, with Flemings and Walloons or Irish and Northern Irish).

Catalonia is the economically strongest region in Spain. As far as I know - and this also applies to Lombardy and northern Italy, hence my comparison - voices can be heard there again and again that these regions would be better off if they did not have to feed the "poor" part of their country. Personally, I therefore believe that these autonomous tendencies are very strongly influenced by economics. However, I am neither Spanish nor Italian - so I do not claim to be correct.

But I do believe that the ethnic tensions between Catalans and Spaniards are much less than those between Serbs and Albanians or Russians and Ukrainians. That is why I did not find the comparison between the autonomy movement in Catalonia and that in the Donbas appropriate. Nor in comparison with Kosovo.

And, no, I do not claim to be as historically knowledgeable about your region as you are as a resident. Certainly not!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #566 on:** June 21, 2023, 04:05 »

Quote from: Lizard on June 20, 2023, 17:38

Quote from: Wilm on June 06, 2023, 16:00

Lizard,

this comparison is useless for the argumentation in my view.

If a regional government creates a referendum and only allows the people of that region to vote, this is not a correct democratic process, because the regional government was not authorised by the Spanish constitution to hold a referendum.

If tomorrow the local politicians in Istria hold a referendum to separate Istria from Croatia, the Croatian government would rightly oppose it. Italy would resist if Lombardy did the same. And in these fictitious cases, too, I see no reason why NATO should interfere there.

In contrast to Catalonia, which sought autonomy, the Crimea, the Donbass or Luhansk are not about autonomy, but about becoming part of the Russian empire - that is a completely different background!

Yes and that's exactly what happened in Kosovo. The local separatist Albanian authorities of autonomic province of Kosovo held an illegal independence referendum within the autonomy between 26 and 30 September 1991, and they were not authorized by Serbian republic government of which Kosovo region was essential part of. Then they established paramilitary troops and started ethnically cleaning Serbian population.

So this is same exact example as the ones you stated above.

Can you point out any other differences for discussion, cause as someone who knows the history of the region I don't see any ?

Lizard, you do not know the history of Ukraine. If Kosovo became an independent country, a republic, there were historical grounds for this. Then such regions as the Donbass (or rather, some areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions), Crimea and part of the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions were stupidly attached to Russia by the Russian Fuhrer Putin. Do you understand the difference between the independent country of Kosovo (recognized by the UN) and the regions of Ukraine that are occupied and annexed by Russian fascists and terrorists? Do you see any difference between a monkey and a human? (or soon you will begin to write that a man and a monkey are one and the same).

My advice to you, do not compare the male genital organ with a finger.

I'm not talking about the fact that the country of Yugoslavia broke up, ceased to exist, and at the time of the collapse, any regions could become independent (if there were historical grounds for this and the desire of the people). So yes, Kosovo should be recognized by all democratic countries.
I already understood you, personally you are offended by the fact that part of the territory of your country was taken from you and you could not win it back. But this certainly does not mean that everything in the world happens exactly the same way as you do.
When the Russian empire is liquidated, Serbia will stop its aggressive policy. Now Serbia is supported by Russian fascists. Your enemy is not Kosovo, your enemy is Russia.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #567 on:** June 21, 2023, 04:17 »

Quote from: Wilm on June 21, 2023, 04:03

voices can be heard there again and again that these regions would be better off if they did not have to feed the "poor" part of their country.

I will add that there are a lot of voices there from Russian provocateurs and KGB agents. The Russian empire needs to destabilize the situation in the democratic world, so if you see separatist rallies, then there are a lot of Russians there who are fueling the protests.
I think that Russians should be expelled from all democratic countries of the world, because. the bulk of these Russians are for Putin and for fascism, rashism.
When there were protests in Catalonia, the media showed a lot of Russians who incited hatred among the local population there. Russians in Catalonia even walked with the flags of the terrorist organization "Donetsk Republic".

stoker2014 · « **Reply #568 on:** June 21, 2023, 04:29 »

Russia and Russians, like monkeys, stupidly copy the democratic processes that took place in the world. With this copying, the Russians are trying to justify their murders and crimes. And a lot of people don't understand this. Therefore, I always give as an example a monkey and a man. Russia is a monkey, and the democratic world is people.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #569 on:** June 22, 2023, 09:17 »

On June 22, President Volodymyr Zelensky warned that Russia was preparing to stage a terrorist attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant with a release of radiation. To do this, the occupiers have prepared everything necessary.
According to experts, if the Russians stage a terrorist attack at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the consequences could be much worse than after the Chernobyl disaster. The area potentially contaminated with radiation can reach 2 million square meters. km, up to a million people could be affected, tens of thousands could die. The consequences of the attack can be felt by residents of neighboring states, depending on weather conditions.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #570 on:** June 22, 2023, 09:32 »

The joke is that democratic countries do not react at all to the terrorist act committed by the Russians at the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station (Kakhovka Dam). The area of the Kakhovka reservoir is 2155 square km. Not every country has such an area.
And now I wonder what the reaction of the democratic camp will be when the Russians blow up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant? But this terrorist attack can be completely prevented.
Undermining the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is the genocide of the Ukrainian people.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #571 on:** June 23, 2023, 03:33 »

Ukraine calls on world to take urgent measures to prevent disaster at Zaporizhzhia NPP

Mining and other forms of militarization of the Zaporizhzhia NPP by Russia pose an immediate threat of a nuclear incident at Europe's largest nuclear power plant. The world must take urgent measures to prevent a nuclear disaster and recognize Russia as a terrorist state.
That's according to a statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine regarding the endangering situation at Zaporizhzhia NPP, Ukrinform reports.

"According to Ukrainian intelligence agencies, Russia is considering a scenario of committing a terrorist act at the temporarily occupied Zaporizhia NPP. Such a terrorist attack will entail global consequences," the Foreign Ministry emphasized.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs emphasized that by occupying ZNPP, Russia grossly violates international law and nuclear safety norms and standards, in particular the seven fundamental principles of the IAEA on nuclear safety and security.

"We expect an objective assessment by IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi regarding Russia's criminal actions," the ministry said.

The diplomats emphasized that the level of challenges and threats facing the global nuclear safety regime as a result of Russia's war against Ukraine is extremely high and requires consolidation and strengthening of international efforts to prevent a nuclear disaster.

Read also: President on situation at ZNPP: World must know and act
The Foreign Ministry stated that Russia, as a terrorist state, has violated all key principles of international nuclear safety law and the vast majority of its own treaty obligations, but has not yet suffered just consequences for its crimes.

"We call on the international community, in particular the Group of Seven and the EU, to take urgent measures to prevent a nuclear disaster at the Zaporizhzhia NPP, including but not limited to introducing strengthened restrictive measures against the Russian nuclear industry and military-industrial complex. We insist on the need to recognize Russia as a terrorist state and ensure the inevitability of political, economic and legal consequences for all crimes and illegal actions committed by it," the Foreign Ministry emphasized.

Read also: Budanov: Russians mine cooler at ZNPP
As reported, on June 20, the head of the Chief of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine, Kyrylo Budanov, said that the Russians had mined a cooler at Zaporizhzhia NPP and that if it was disabled, there was a significant likelihood that "there would be big problems."

On June 22, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a video address that Russia is considering a scenario of a terrorist attack at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and has prepared everything for it.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3726635-ukraine-calls-on-world-to-take-urgent-measures-to-prevent-disaster-at-zaporizhzhia-npp.html

stoker2014 · « **Reply #572 on:** June 23, 2023, 03:35 »

Russians have mined the cooler at Zaporizhzhia NPP. If it is disabled, there is a significant possibility that there will be big problems.
The head of the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU) Kyrylo Budanov said this during the United News telethon, Ukrinform reports.

Answering the question whether there is a threat of an accident at ZNPP, he clarified that, unfortunately, there is a certain threat as of now.

Read also: Ukrainian intelligence: What Russians do with ZNPP is nuclear blackmail
"First of all, ZNPP was and still is under the temporary control of the occupation forces. The truth is that by destroying the dam, they destroyed the normal access of water to the coolers operating at ZNPP. Second, the plant was additionally mined. The worst thing is that it was the cooler that was mined," DIU's head said.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3725681-budanov-russians-mine-cooler-at-znpp.html

stoker2014 · « **Reply #573 on:** June 23, 2023, 03:36 »

If the Russians blow up the Zaporizhzhia NPP, President Biden will go down in history as the US president who allowed a nuclear catastrophe in Europe and the genocide of the Ukrainian people.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #574 on:** June 23, 2023, 03:40 »

There is information that the IAEA Director General Grossi is connected with the Russians and helps them escape responsibility after the explosion at the Zaporizhzhia NPP. This Director General recently visited the station, and he only said what the Russians told him to say. He lies a lot.

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