Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 132139 times)

Wilm · « **Reply #600 on:** July 01, 2023, 13:05 »

Quote from: SVH on June 30, 2023, 11:33

You do realize you are talking to yourself here, right? 22 posts in a row from just you, with me now interrupting your winning streak.
Well as long as you are having fun

I am reading that. However, I have inflammation in my wrist. Therefore, at the moment it hurts me to write and therefore I do not participate in due measure.

Wilm · « **Reply #601 on:** July 01, 2023, 13:10 »

I also read in other source how much the Russian propaganda machinery is trying to spread false information everywhere. It is frightening! But writing with the left hand is exhausting and time-consuming for a right-handed person. Hence my current reluctance.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #602 on:** July 01, 2023, 15:12 »

Quote from: Wilm on July 01, 2023, 13:05

Quote from: SVH on June 30, 2023, 11:33
You do realize you are talking to yourself here, right? 22 posts in a row from just you, with me now interrupting your winning streak.
Well as long as you are having fun

I am reading that. However, I have inflammation in my wrist. Therefore, at the moment it hurts me to write and therefore I do not participate in due measure.

I am just bringing his buddies back to this thread. See, everyone is here now again. You left him alone for quite some time, shame on you.

And you're welcome

Wilm · « **Reply #603 on:** July 01, 2023, 15:30 »

Quote from: SVH on July 01, 2023, 15:12

Quote from: Wilm on July 01, 2023, 13:05
Quote from: SVH on June 30, 2023, 11:33
You do realize you are talking to yourself here, right? 22 posts in a row from just you, with me now interrupting your winning streak.
Well as long as you are having fun

I am reading that. However, I have inflammation in my wrist. Therefore, at the moment it hurts me to write and therefore I do not participate in due measure.

I am just bringing his buddies back to this thread. See, everyone is here now again. You left him alone for quite some time, shame on you.

And you're welcome

I‘m not his buddy! And I left nobody alone!

As you could read, I was far from agreeing with everything he wrote. I have my reasons for that. But he deals with grievances very intensively and speaks his mind. And wants to defend the unjustly attacked nation. I appreciate that very much and he gets my full respect for that. That others here do not get from me. Because they are obviously not able to feel and understand what is going on in this battered nation and who is responsible for it.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #604 on:** July 01, 2023, 15:57 »

Quote from: Wilm on July 01, 2023, 15:30

Quote from: SVH on July 01, 2023, 15:12
Quote from: Wilm on July 01, 2023, 13:05
Quote from: SVH on June 30, 2023, 11:33
You do realize you are talking to yourself here, right? 22 posts in a row from just you, with me now interrupting your winning streak.
Well as long as you are having fun

I am reading that. However, I have inflammation in my wrist. Therefore, at the moment it hurts me to write and therefore I do not participate in due measure.

I am just bringing his buddies back to this thread. See, everyone is here now again. You left him alone for quite some time, shame on you.

And you're welcome

I‘m not his buddy! And I left nobody alone!

As you could read, I was far from agreeing with everything he wrote. I have my reasons for that. But he deals with grievances very intensively and speaks his mind. And wants to defend the unjustly attacked nation. I appreciate that very much and he gets my full respect for that. That others here do not get from me. Because they are obviously not able to feel and understand what is going on in this battered nation and who is responsible for it.

wow, that's it in a nutshell. Brilliantly said, and I totally agree.

But I just came on, Wilm, to say I am so sorry you're not well, and wish you a speedy recovery.

Wilm · « **Reply #605 on:** July 01, 2023, 16:16 »

Quote from: Annie on July 01, 2023, 15:57

Quote from: Wilm on July 01, 2023, 15:30
Quote from: SVH on July 01, 2023, 15:12
Quote from: Wilm on July 01, 2023, 13:05
Quote from: SVH on June 30, 2023, 11:33
You do realize you are talking to yourself here, right? 22 posts in a row from just you, with me now interrupting your winning streak.
Well as long as you are having fun

I am reading that. However, I have inflammation in my wrist. Therefore, at the moment it hurts me to write and therefore I do not participate in due measure.

I am just bringing his buddies back to this thread. See, everyone is here now again. You left him alone for quite some time, shame on you.

And you're welcome

I‘m not his buddy! And I left nobody alone!

As you could read, I was far from agreeing with everything he wrote. I have my reasons for that. But he deals with grievances very intensively and speaks his mind. And wants to defend the unjustly attacked nation. I appreciate that very much and he gets my full respect for that. That others here do not get from me. Because they are obviously not able to feel and understand what is going on in this battered nation and who is responsible for it.

wow, that's it in a nutshell. Brilliantly said, and I totally agree.

But I just came on, Wilm, to say I am so sorry you're not well, and wish you a speedy recovery.

Thank you very much for your kind words, Annie! Like so often before!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #606 on:** July 01, 2023, 16:54 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 01, 2023, 07:19

Quote from: SVH on July 01, 2023, 01:07
Quote from: Zero Talent on June 30, 2023, 14:41
Quote from: DroneNamibia on June 30, 2023, 12:58
Ukrodreams, writing for the sake of writing. Keep on if you have nothing else to do. Reality is very different from your dreams.
See how wrong you are, SVH? He is talking to at least 4 of us!
In other words, today, more than half of his confirmed audience is made of putin apologists.
And that's very good! 👍

You are right. Good to see he still has an audience. I was almost feeling sorry for him

Don't worry about that.

A decent human being should rather empathize with the unimaginable pain his country and fellow citizens are going through, because of the immoral, illegal, and unprovoked russian invasion.

You should feel sorry for those:

- 492 murdered children
- 1,031 wounded children
- 9,083 murdered civilians (and that's excluding Mariupol, where we will most likely discover another genocide once it will be freed, after seeing hectares of mass graves from the Maxar satellites)
- 6.3 million refugees (without taking into consideration the forced deportation from the illegally annexed territories)
- 158,000 destroyed or damaged homes
- 1,544 hospitals, clinics, and other civilian medical facilities destroyed or damaged
- 3,328 schools, high schools, and universities destroyed or damaged
- 411 billion dollars in losses because of destroyed industrial capacities (like Azovstal or Azom) and that was before the destruction of the Nova Khakova dam.
- 55.7 billion dollars required to restore the environmental damages.

in brief, you should feel sorry for the genocide against the Ukrainian people, instead of stocker2014's perceived lack of audience. $:-\$

(and cut him some slack, when the emotional war news he is sharing are not always 100% accurate)

putin is a war criminal.

Slava Ukraini!

During the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia has forcibly transferred thousands of Ukrainian children to areas under its control, assigned them Russian citizenship, forcibly adopted them into Russian families, and created obstacles for their reunification with their parents and homeland.[3] The United Nations has stated that these deportations constitute war crimes.[3][4] The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for President of Russia Vladimir Putin[5] (who has explicitly supported the forced adoptions, including by enacting legislation to facilitate them)[6] and Children's Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova for their alleged involvement.[5] According to international law, including the 1948 Genocide Convention, such acts constitute genocide if done with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a nation or ethnic group.[7][a]

Ukrainian children have been abducted by the Russian state after their parents had been arrested by Russian occupation authorities or killed in the invasion,[8][9] or after becoming separated from their parents in an active war zone.[10] Children have also been abducted from Ukrainian state institutions in occupied areas, and through children's "summer camps" on Russian territory.[8] The abducted children have been subject to Russification;[6][10] raising children of war in a foreign nation and culture may constitute an act of genocide if intended to erase their national identity.[6]

Ukrainian authorities have verified the identities of[11] over 19,000 abducted children,[12] compiling and actively updating the data as part of an online platform: "Children of War". Russian authorities have claimed that over 700,000 Ukrainian children have been "evacuated", and Ukraine's ombudsman on children's rights believes that the actual number of abducted children may be in the hundreds of thousands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
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Estimated and claimed casualties

Civilians - 42,000 killed. Time period: 24 February 2022 – 21 May 2023. Source: US estimate

In the destroyed city of Mariupol alone, Ukrainian officials believe at least 25,000 have been killed;[492] but investigations of morgue records indicate many more,[493] and some bodies remain uncollected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Casualties

stoker2014 · « **Reply #607 on:** July 02, 2023, 02:49 »

The problem with the exact count of civilians killed by the Russians is that the Russians are importing mobile crematoria into the occupied territories. In these crematoria, they burn people, and they don't keep records. They did this, for example, in Mariupol.
This is done by the Russians to cover up their war crimes.

This is also written about here.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3460048-russian-propaganda-denies-deploying-mobile-crematoria-in-ukraine.html

cobalt · « **Reply #608 on:** July 02, 2023, 04:03 »

This is such a public war. With live streaming via social media channels.

And still so many Russians support this.

I really don‘t understand Putin at all.

The people of Ukraine will never be his slaves. He already has more land than any other country on the planet and he has no idea how to run a country successfully.

And at the same time China is waiting patiently for him to completely exhaust his army, until they slowly move in to take his lands from him. With business contracts and without firing a single shot.

He could just hand over Russia to Chinese control now to speed up the process.

Europe should do a lot more to support Ukraine. Putin will never stop, Poland and the Baltics are next on his war list.

cobalt · « **Reply #609 on:** July 02, 2023, 04:06 »

The abducted children thing is just beyond cruel.

I hope they all find their families via DNA test, maybe even as adults, but they will eventually be reunited.

Horrible. Putin is such a mad killer. A modern day Hitler.

Never thought I would see German history being repeated like this.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #610 on:** July 02, 2023, 08:17 »

Quote from: cobalt on July 02, 2023, 04:06

Horrible. Putin is such a mad killer. A modern day Hitler.
Never thought I would see German history being repeated like this.

In those years, not only Hitler was an absolute evil, but Stalin too. In modern russia, Russians consider Stalin to be their hero. Hitler and Stalin were war criminals and committed crimes against humanity. Putin sees himself rather as Stalin's legal successor, and so do Russians.
What can be said about Stalin, he committed a lot of crimes. The greatest crime is the Holodomor in 1932-1933 in Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
In total, Russians committed three Holodomors in Ukraine: 1921-1923, 1932-1933 and 1946-1947.

The problem is also that so far the totalitarian and fascist regime of the USSR has not been condemned by the world community. Therefore, putin and the Russians continue to act by the methods of Stalin and Hitler.

I recommend to everyone who has not seen it to watch a film about the Holodomor in Ukraine.
Mr Jones (2019 film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_(2019_film)

trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o7VoM1jlOs

stoker2014 · « **Reply #611 on:** July 02, 2023, 10:17 »

There is information for Australia.
An inventory at the Australian Air Force, at the request of Ukraine for fighters, found 14 serviceable F/A-18 Hornet aircraft. Journalists of the publication got access to a report on the inventory of the condition of the fighters owned by the Royal Australian Air Force. The procedure was carried out by the American aerospace company RAVN at the request of Ukraine.
As it became known, if Australia really wants to transfer the F/A-18 Hornets to the Ukrainian Air Force, then only 14 aircraft are in working condition. Among them there are 11 single and three double fighters.
Each aircraft has flown more than 3,000 hours, which is about half the border limit. At the same time, the possibility of extending the service life is not excluded, due to which Ukraine will potentially be able to use the F/A-18 Hornets for two years.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-hornets-pitched-for-ukraine-can-fly-another-two-years-20230627-p5djpw

Zero Talent · « **Reply #612 on:** July 02, 2023, 16:42 »

Important grammar rules:

1. When writing russia or putin it's ALWAYS lower case 'r' and 'p' (in case you didn't notice it, in my previous posts)

2. When using emojis, the russian flag is ALWAYS preceded by a waste bin. As in: 🗑🇷🇺

Don't forget. And good night 👋

LDV81 · « **Reply #613 on:** July 02, 2023, 18:15 »

Quote from: cobalt on July 02, 2023, 04:06

Never thought I would see German history being repeated like this.

It is not exactly repeated. Contemporary Russia is just a caricature of Nazi Germany. Obviously, Putin was inspired by Hitler, but the execution has been pathetic.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #614 on:** July 04, 2023, 06:28 »

Armed Forces of Ukraine eliminate 231,030 Russian invaders already.

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!

Annie2022 · « **Reply #615 on:** July 04, 2023, 13:47 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 02, 2023, 10:17

There is information for Australia.
An inventory at the Australian Air Force, at the request of Ukraine for fighters, found 14 serviceable F/A-18 Hornet aircraft. Journalists of the publication got access to a report on the inventory of the condition of the fighters owned by the Royal Australian Air Force. The procedure was carried out by the American aerospace company RAVN at the request of Ukraine.
As it became known, if Australia really wants to transfer the F/A-18 Hornets to the Ukrainian Air Force, then only 14 aircraft are in working condition. Among them there are 11 single and three double fighters.
Each aircraft has flown more than 3,000 hours, which is about half the border limit. At the same time, the possibility of extending the service life is not excluded, due to which Ukraine will potentially be able to use the F/A-18 Hornets for two years.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-hornets-pitched-for-ukraine-can-fly-another-two-years-20230627-p5djpw

Thanks for the update, Stoker!

Did you watch Fareed's GPS show on Sunday night CNN? It was a very interesting this week. In his opening remarks he talked about how the expected life of a 15yo boy in Russia is less than Haiti (extremely low) - and that was before the war on Ukraine.

His main segment was about Putin losing power - I found the clip for that. See below. And his final comments were about how USA politicians are overfunded by political-bias groups and should be limited. For example, the NRA. Which is exactly what we were talking about earlier in this thread.

This is the Putin part - I'll see if I can find the others.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/07/02/exp-gps-krushcheva-remnick-intv-070210aseg1-cnni-world.cnn

More about his show - worth pre-recording it and series link, if you haven't already.

https://edition.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/fareed-zakaria-gps/episodes/bcb64bcb-0d68-4a5d-883a-b033011867ce

Zero Talent · « **Reply #616 on:** July 04, 2023, 21:34 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 02, 2023, 08:17

I recommend to everyone who has not seen it to watch a film about the Holodomor in Ukraine.
Mr Jones (2019 film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_(2019_film)

trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o7VoM1jlOs

Thanks for the recommendation.
I just finished watching it (on Amazon Prime)
Quite a shocking and gruesome scene, the one when he shared a meal with those children. $:-\$

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #617 on:** July 05, 2023, 04:34 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 02, 2023, 08:17

Quote from: cobalt on July 02, 2023, 04:06
Horrible. Putin is such a mad killer. A modern day Hitler.
Never thought I would see German history being repeated like this.
In those years, not only Hitler was an absolute evil, but Stalin too. In modern russia, Russians consider Stalin to be their hero. Hitler and Stalin were war criminals and committed crimes against humanity. Putin sees himself rather as Stalin's legal successor, and so do Russians.
What can be said about Stalin, he committed a lot of crimes. The greatest crime is the Holodomor in 1932-1933 in Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
In total, Russians committed three Holodomors in Ukraine: 1921-1923, 1932-1933 and 1946-1947.

The problem is also that so far the totalitarian and fascist regime of the USSR has not been condemned by the world community. Therefore, putin and the Russians continue to act by the methods of Stalin and Hitler.

I recommend to everyone who has not seen it to watch a film about the Holodomor in Ukraine.
Mr Jones (2019 film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_(2019_film)

trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o7VoM1jlOs

I must admit that for too long I swallowed the propaganda about Russia in WW2. Let's not forget the war started with Stalin and Hitler agreeing to divide Poland between themselves. Or the massacres of Poles perpetrated by Russia afterwards.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #618 on:** July 05, 2023, 06:58 »

Not just Poland. Also Baltic countries, Finland and Romanian territories were negociated between Hitler and Stalin, then annexed or split according to the agreed "spheres of influence".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

That's what also stays at the foundation of today's "russkiy mir" ideology used to justify the war in Ukraine and elsewhere.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #619 on:** July 05, 2023, 08:42 »

Quote from: Annie on July 04, 2023, 13:47

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 02, 2023, 10:17
There is information for Australia.
An inventory at the Australian Air Force, at the request of Ukraine for fighters, found 14 serviceable F/A-18 Hornet aircraft. Journalists of the publication got access to a report on the inventory of the condition of the fighters owned by the Royal Australian Air Force. The procedure was carried out by the American aerospace company RAVN at the request of Ukraine.
As it became known, if Australia really wants to transfer the F/A-18 Hornets to the Ukrainian Air Force, then only 14 aircraft are in working condition. Among them there are 11 single and three double fighters.
Each aircraft has flown more than 3,000 hours, which is about half the border limit. At the same time, the possibility of extending the service life is not excluded, due to which Ukraine will potentially be able to use the F/A-18 Hornets for two years.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-hornets-pitched-for-ukraine-can-fly-another-two-years-20230627-p5djpw

Thanks for the update, Stoker!

Did you watch Fareed's GPS show on Sunday night CNN? It was a very interesting this week. In his opening remarks he talked about how the expected life of a 15yo boy in Russia is less than Haiti (extremely low) - and that was before the war on Ukraine.

His main segment was about Putin losing power - I found the clip for that. See below. And his final comments were about how USA politicians are overfunded by political-bias groups and should be limited. For example, the NRA. Which is exactly what we were talking about earlier in this thread.

This is the Putin part - I'll see if I can find the others.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/07/02/exp-gps-krushcheva-remnick-intv-070210aseg1-cnni-world.cnn

More about his show - worth pre-recording it and series link, if you haven't already.

https://edition.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/fareed-zakaria-gps/episodes/bcb64bcb-0d68-4a5d-883a-b033011867ce

I think that the assumption that putin is losing power is not true. The Russians showed the show they planned to show. All this insurrection was actually a well directed show.
Who is this Prigozhin can be read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Prigozhin

I think Prigozhin is someone putin trusts. This organized crime group "Wagner private military company" is a group that carries out all the criminal orders of putin. OCG "Wagner" was practically surrounded by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Bakhmut area and had to be destroyed. Therefore, the show was shown as allegedly the organized crime group "Wagner" is advancing on Moscow, although in fact the organized crime group "Wagner" was running away from Ukraine. This OCG "Wagner" deals with war crimes in the Middle East and Africa.
At the moment, I see no alternative to Putin in russia. There is no opposition in russia and most Russians support putin's war crimes.
But I will say this, the same Prigozhin can take the place of putin, for example, if putin decides so.
Perhaps for OCG "Wagner" putin came up with some other tasks, now these terrorists are in Belarus and lick their wounds there.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #620 on:** July 05, 2023, 08:51 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 04, 2023, 21:34

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 02, 2023, 08:17

I recommend to everyone who has not seen it to watch a film about the Holodomor in Ukraine.
Mr Jones (2019 film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_(2019_film)

trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o7VoM1jlOs

Thanks for the recommendation.
I just finished watching it (on Amazon Prime)
Quite a shocking and gruesome scene, the one when he shared a meal with those children. $:-\$

Yes, in 1932-1933, about 10 million Ukrainians to kill by starvation.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #621 on:** July 05, 2023, 10:48 »

I hope the allies will give Ukraine everything they need to take back all of their country. The hesitancy on aircraft, etc., is really frustrating.

The poor Ukrainians have been screwed over at every opportunity. They gave up their nuclear weapons in 1994 with assurances that Russia would never do what they are doing now. Unfortunately we know how much Russia honors its promises. Hopefully the Ukrainians can drive out the invaders and gain entry into NATO so this cannot happen again. The really frightening thing is how much it all depends on factors they can't control. If Putin's asset had been re-elected in the US things would be very much worse and who knows what will happen in 2024.

One of the shocking things to me is that, everywhere you go in Russia, there are memorials to all those lost in the Great Patriotic War fighting the N***s - 15% of the population gone. The Russians will never forget. One of the people I worked with there still hated the Germans 60 years after the war ended. Now Putin is trying to do in Ukraine what the Germans tried to do in Russia - and with the same effect. No matter the outcome, the Ukrainians will hate Russia for the rest of eternity and there will be memorials all over Ukraine to remember those who fought against the invaders. Putin should know this, yet models himself after the psychopath Stalin, who killed millions of Russians himself. It seems psychopaths always admire other psychopaths.

The Russians are a wonderful people who deserve better leaders. I hope they will rise up and replace the current one but their history doesn't bode well and the population is completely deceived by propaganda. So many Russians and Ukrainians suffering because of one psychopath. With all the evidence of Russian war crimes the world needs to do a better job of ending this terror so the Ukrainians can regain their country and live in peace.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #622 on:** July 05, 2023, 11:37 »

sgoodwin4813, I put a plus on your post, in general it is normally written.

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on July 05, 2023, 10:48

One of the people I worked with there still hated the Germans 60 years after the war ended. Now Putin is trying to do in Ukraine what the Germans tried to do in Russia - and with the same effect.

In fact, only Ukraine was completely occupied by the Nazi troops. Russia was occupied quite a bit. I give a photo.

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on July 05, 2023, 10:48

The Russians are a wonderful people who deserve better leaders.

In what year or century were the Russians wonderful people?.... The whole history of Russians and Russia is occupation, genocide and war crimes against other peoples. And now it's the same.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #623 on:** July 05, 2023, 17:01 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 05, 2023, 11:37

In what year or century were the Russians wonderful people?..

I've been to Russia five times and met many wonderful people. I am talking about them as individuals, not Russia as a political entity. In that case I agree that the Russians have been terrible throughout the centuries. However, individually they are just as good as people everywhere - very warm and fun loving despite centuries of being oppressed by bad leaders. Unfortunately I would not visit nowadays - too much chance of being held as a political pawn.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #624 on:** July 05, 2023, 17:21 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on July 05, 2023, 17:01

I've been to Russia five times and met many wonderful people. I am talking about them as individuals, not Russia as a political entity. In that case I agree that the Russians have been terrible throughout the centuries. However, individually they are just as good as people everywhere - very warm and fun loving despite centuries of being oppressed by bad leaders. Unfortunately I would not visit nowadays - too much chance of being held as a political pawn.

Yeah, "it's Putin's war" as some are saying. Ordinary russians are "peace loving people"!
Except for these "wonderful" people, nobody forced to openly admire war criminals:

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