Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 25, 2023, 12:28

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

At least with the BBC, you don't get caught up with all the American political biases. Left. Right, Left Right. Left Right. As non-Americans, we are getting so sick of it.

There are so many big global issues at the moment that shouldn't fall into either of those categories, especially in order to be resolved.



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Thanks Roscoe for some very good links.

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I also think contributors here are pretty left biased

Quote from: Annie on April 25, 2023, 13:59

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 25, 2023, 12:28

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

At least with the BBC, you don't get caught up with all the American political biases. Left. Right, Left Right. Left Right. As non-Americans, we are getting so sick of it.

There are so many big global issues at the moment that shouldn't fall into either of those categories, especially in order to be resolved.



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Thanks Roscoe for some very good links.

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I also think contributors here are pretty left biased

The more you lean to the right, the more is left of you.
Up until a point where someone on the far-right side of the spectrum perceives center right or just right wing as left.

What I see is quite some rather centrist and nuanced people trying to talk some sense into the more extremes.

Quote from: SVH on April 25, 2023, 15:15

I also think contributors here are pretty left biased

This is pretty much how a balanced opinion may appear to the extreme right

Yes, but a lot of you think alike here on each subject, no matter what the subject is. It's almost scary. You just repeat what is fed to you by your preferred media. It doesn't seem you have an opinion of your own at all. I can't hardly detect any deviation of the general thinking or a personal note in all of your opinions. It's a pity actually. It seems you are brainwashed entirely.

Quote from: Annie on April 25, 2023, 13:59

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 25, 2023, 12:28

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

At least with the BBC, you don't get caught up with all the American political biases. Left. Right, Left Right. Left Right. As non-Americans, we are getting so sick of it.

There are so many big global issues at the moment that shouldn't fall into either of those categories, especially in order to be resolved.



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Thanks Roscoe for some very good links.

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I also think contributors here are pretty left biased

What?? lol

I can't believe that was your response to me after what I just wrote. (This is where I need Zero's ROFL emoji. lol)

Let me spell it out to you more clearly: I DON'T CARE.

Or more importantly, that in reality there are no left or right sides. And that those who cling to them are just being manipulated by self-interested leaders, political funding (big oil, big coal, big mining, big guns, etc) - and of course Putin trying to drive a huge wedge through American and world democracies.

The truth lies on both sides, or rather, no sides at all.

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Well said, Zero and Roscoe, above - re the more right you are, the more everything else seems left.

I'm glad that this thread has finally settled some different opinions, once and for all.

Quote from: Roscoe on April 25, 2023, 15:39

Quote from: SVH on April 25, 2023, 15:15

Quote from: Annie on April 25, 2023, 13:59

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 25, 2023, 12:28

I used to watch BBC news late at night for a more balanced view of what was going on in the world. I don't know if it's still like that? US media has become polarized and nothing is without bias or manipulation.

At least with the BBC, you don't get caught up with all the American political biases. Left. Right, Left Right. Left Right. As non-Americans, we are getting so sick of it.

There are so many big global issues at the moment that shouldn't fall into either of those categories, especially in order to be resolved.



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Thanks Roscoe for some very good links.

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I also think contributors here are pretty left biased

The more you lean to the right, the more is left of you.
Up until a point where someone on the far-right side of the spectrum perceives center right or just right wing as left.

What I see is quite some rather centrist and nuanced people trying to talk some sense into the more extremes.

That goes both ways I'm afraid. But thanks for the links that actually show most news broadcasters are biased on the left, including the BBC of which we all knew already. But, you are left then, right?
What do you think of Biden running again for presidency? I would pick someone else if you don't want the orange guy to take control. That is, if you are from the states of course.

It all depends on the region and how you look at it.

Most popular cable news broadcaster in the US is actually Fox News, leading by a large margin. https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ (figures 2023)
Add up MSNBC and CNN, which are left biased broadcasters, and Fox still wins.
All three of them are very outspoken on their bias, and none of them rate well on factual reporting.

Most popular news broadcasters in the UK are BBC, ITV and Channel 4. https://www.statista.com/statistics/269983/leading-tv-broadcasters-in-the-uk-by-audience-share/ (figures 2020)
All three of them are center left/right biased, with ITV leaning slightly to the right, BBC slightly to the left and Channel 4 to center left
All three of them rate high on factual reporting.

And for the record. BBC is not left. It's center-left and yes that's still a difference.

Nuances. Surprised. Aren't you?

You seem to like being vocal on strong, controversial and polarized opinions. Don't act surprised if most people don't agree with you and call you out on what you are saying.
That doesn't make them lefties, it means that they are more nuanced and probably also more factual than you.

And I'm in Annies tribe (pun intended Annie, thanks for de link): I generally don't care about people's political preferences.
I'm mainly here to read and every now and then join a discussion about stock photography.

But when it comes to politics, I don't like the binary left-right divisions. It's way more than that, and all of it is a spectrum.
Most people tend to hold positions on both sides of the spectrum, and their position depends on the topic.
But if I really have to choose, I will always go for the lesser extreme because I believe that extreme leadership, left or right, isn't any good for a society.
So yeah, if you really push me into making a choice: the sleepy one please. Not because he's a democrat, but because he's less extreme than the orange one.
And no, I'm not from the US, so glad I don't have to make that choice.

There used to be a definition that socialist politics should be classified on the left.
Now that Putin has apparently decided to make Russia a USSR again (the first S stands for socialist), one should ask whether this is still "left�. Socialism saw itself as the antithesis of capitalism. As it stands, however, it is currently a special kind of capitalism in which a handful of government officials and oligarchs are swimming in vast sums of money. Just a thought.

Who is Putin? This is a bloody dictator, a native of the KGB, read the NKVD. These structures were no different from the Gestapo. The Gestapo even learned all the atrocities from them before the war. Putin is not capable of creating anything but Nazism, chauvinism and fascism. Yes, he is trying to create a fascist and terrorist empire. Is it "left" or "right" ?
Also, do not forget that China, which is at the head of the anti-democratic coalition, can also command Putin. This coalition includes Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, Belarus. These are active members.

Now there is a 3rd world war, it has already begun a year ago (more precisely, it began in 2014, but they will write about it later in textbooks). And all democratic countries need to unite and expel people who support Russian propaganda, as well as people who are trying to split the democratic camp.
And it doesn�t matter who you are, left or right, the main thing is that in the war you don�t work for the enemy.

There used to be a definition that socialist politics should be classified on the left.
Now that Putin has apparently decided to make Russia a USSR again (the first S stands for socialist), one should ask whether this is still "left�. Socialism saw itself as the antithesis of capitalism. As it stands, however, it is currently a special kind of capitalism in which a handful of government officials and oligarchs are swimming in vast sums of money. Just a thought.

You are trying to define fascism, Wilm.
Thr only difference between the communism and fascism, is that the fascist government is tolerating the private property, as long as the owner is obeying the dear leader.
We can even say that fascists are a bit smarter, since they don't have to get involved in the mundane day to day management of companies, to obtain what they need.

Instead of ussr today's russia should rather call itself uFsr.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 26, 2023, 06:10

Quote from: Wilm on April 26, 2023, 01:22

There used to be a definition that socialist politics should be classified on the left.
Now that Putin has apparently decided to make Russia a USSR again (the first S stands for socialist), one should ask whether this is still "left�. Socialism saw itself as the antithesis of capitalism. As it stands, however, it is currently a special kind of capitalism in which a handful of government officials and oligarchs are swimming in vast sums of money. Just a thought.

You are trying to define fascism, Wilm.
Thr only difference between the communism and fascism, is that the fascist government is tolerating the private property, as long as the owner is obeying the dear leader.
We can even say that fascists are a bit smarter, since they don't have to get involved in the mundane day to day management of the companies, to obtain what they need.

Instead of USSR today's russia should.rather call itself UFSR.

In China, communism and there is also private property.
I don't see any difference at all between fascism and communism.

That's because today's China is communist only in name. They also got smarter and switched to fascism.

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Yes. The only missing ingredient is an explicit international aggression. But that's being planned as we speak.
And that's not always a necessary condition.
They check the rest of the criteria:

- Authoritarian leader
- Supression of the opposition
- Submission of the ecomomy to the will of the government.
- Submission of the justice system to the will of the government.
- Suppresion of the free press and free speech
- Aggresive nationalist and cult of personality propaganda.

Nuances. Surprised. Aren't you?

Speaking about "nuances". Take this:


 

Basically, besides the traditional linear position on private property (left-right), we need one more dimension to define the type of government i.e authoritarian vs libertarian.
But I must admit that while conceptually a two dimension matrix is how we should look at the political spectrum, the nuances in the above matrix are going a "bit" too far for me.

Maybe one day, I will check what Posadism and Soulism are about