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farbled

« Reply #450 on: May 18, 2023, 17:15 »
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« Reply #451 on: May 19, 2023, 04:32 »
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Stoker would probably not agree with me, because he is so angry with Russia, and I am too, Stoker, but we can't stamp out fascism and bad elements by simply blocking them as Roscoe says above.
Blocking, liquidate, apply sanctions, this is what needs to be done with evil.
For 30 years, democracy has done nothing with the Russian empire; as a result, democracy has grown fascism and terrorism with its own hands. The same goes for China.
So just looking is not enough.

I hear you, and I feel the same way about repressive governments. But I don't know if that's that answer.


Sanctions haven't worked. But every one of us in a democratic country can go and vote for our own choice of government who are committed to putting an end to the war. The better informed we all are, the more people we have that can do this.
Oops, I read you, I read, and you deleted everything :)
Concerning russian youth. What will happen if you plant the seeds of beautiful flowers and plants in poisoned and poisonous soil? The answer is obvious, instead of beautiful flowers, you will grow ugly monsters. I think you understand what I'm talking about.
Russians are not Ukrainians, since their appearance, and this is the 16th century, they have been brought up in the imperial spirit. In order for Russian youth to correctly understand the situation, to think good and not evil, it is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire, temporarily occupy Moscovia (and this is exactly the territory where the Russians can eventually remain) and completely retrain them for 20 years. During this time, normal flowers and plants will grow in good soil.
You write about democratic countries, about elections in these countries, about the peace. The problem is that there is a war going on, and for peace to come, the war must first be won and defeated by evil, at least on the battlefield.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2023, 04:34 by stoker2014 »

Annie2022

« Reply #452 on: May 19, 2023, 07:54 »
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Stoker would probably not agree with me, because he is so angry with Russia, and I am too, Stoker, but we can't stamp out fascism and bad elements by simply blocking them as Roscoe says above.
Blocking, liquidate, apply sanctions, this is what needs to be done with evil.
For 30 years, democracy has done nothing with the Russian empire; as a result, democracy has grown fascism and terrorism with its own hands. The same goes for China.
So just looking is not enough.

I hear you, and I feel the same way about repressive governments. But I don't know if that's that answer.


Sanctions haven't worked. But every one of us in a democratic country can go and vote for our own choice of government who are committed to putting an end to the war. The better informed we all are, the more people we have that can do this.
Oops, I read you, I read, and you deleted everything :)
Concerning russian youth. What will happen if you plant the seeds of beautiful flowers and plants in poisoned and poisonous soil? The answer is obvious, instead of beautiful flowers, you will grow ugly monsters. I think you understand what I'm talking about.
Russians are not Ukrainians, since their appearance, and this is the 16th century, they have been brought up in the imperial spirit. In order for Russian youth to correctly understand the situation, to think good and not evil, it is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire, temporarily occupy Moscovia (and this is exactly the territory where the Russians can eventually remain) and completely retrain them for 20 years. During this time, normal flowers and plants will grow in good soil.
You write about democratic countries, about elections in these countries, about the peace. The problem is that there is a war going on, and for peace to come, the war must first be won and defeated by evil, at least on the battlefield.

Yes, I did.  And exactly because of this. I didn't want to go three rounds with you because of some of my own personal big-picture musings. It's the weekend here and I just want to relax.

I need a break from all of this. I'll see you all in a week or two.

« Last Edit: May 19, 2023, 09:20 by Annie »

« Reply #453 on: May 19, 2023, 07:55 »
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History may not repeat itself, but it clearly rhymes.

« Reply #454 on: May 19, 2023, 09:24 »
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Annie, you asked questions verbally, below I write the answers to them.
 
1. You also say that it is not Russia, but the United States, that is to blame for the war and the genocide of Ukrainians. ???  ::) :-\ :(
2. This topic has already been discussed. High gas prices are a consequence of the policy of the Kremlin agent Merkel. Not only her, of course, there are many KGB agents in the EU, but she was the main agent. At the same time, the EU has pursued and continues to pursue a policy of bad attitude towards the United States. The results of all this politics are visible in the articles you linked to.
3. Trump, Republicans, that was before the all-out war.
In any case, someone always earns more money, someone less. There is nothing wrong. The only bad thing is the EU policy that led to such crises. When the fascist country of Russia is in Europe, you cant have anything to do with it at all, you cant buy anything from it, and even more so you cant depend on it.
Now a lot of weapons are coming to Ukraine, and yes, military enterprises are making money. But you do not want to say that you are left-wing and that you are a communist.
4. The problem with Russia is solvable, it is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2023, 07:39 by stoker2014 »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #455 on: May 19, 2023, 12:05 »
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Who is blocking the money? One person:



"CNN: In a rare showing of public unity, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican Leader Mitch McConnell took to the Senate floor to press for quick passage of a $40 billion aid bill for Ukraine but were blocked by GOP Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky who is demanding changes to the legislation.

Despite the high-profile pressure from the two leaders, Paul refused to blink, meaning that Schumer will need to take procedural steps to overcome his objection, which could take several days, but will ultimately lead to passage of the supplemental spending bill sometime next week.

McConnell and Schumer on Thursday offered to allow a vote on Pauls amendment, but he insisted it be added to the underlying bill.

The change Paul is seeking would create a special inspector general to oversee how the Ukraine military aid is spent. Members from both parties broadly agree with that notion, but forcing a change to the bill at this stage would be very time consuming and would slow getting the needed aid to Ukraine."

Procedure and rules of order are blocking the speed of this being passed, not the party opposition. (for a change)


Annie2022

« Reply #456 on: May 19, 2023, 12:13 »
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« Last Edit: May 19, 2023, 19:50 by Annie »

« Reply #457 on: May 19, 2023, 13:23 »
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Annie, I did not call you a communist, I wrote that you are not a communist. My English is pretty bad.

I saw your post long before you deleted it. The page was opened in the browser, then after some time I finished reading your post, then I refreshed the page and saw that you edited the post. But, I managed to read it and understood the course of your thoughts. You delete your thoughts in vain, there is no need for it. Feel free to write.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2023, 13:27 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #458 on: May 19, 2023, 15:57 »
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In order for Russian youth to correctly understand the situation, to think good and not evil, it is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire, temporarily occupy Moscovia (and this is exactly the territory where the Russians can eventually remain) and completely retrain them for 20 years. During this time, normal flowers and plants will grow in good soil.

Read your own comment but replace Russia by Ukraine and Mosovia by Metropolitanate of Kyiv or whatever region that's historically part of nowadays Ukraine.

And, let it sink in.

Annie2022

« Reply #459 on: May 19, 2023, 19:53 »
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Annie, I did not call you a communist, I wrote that you are not a communist. My English is pretty bad.

I saw your post long before you deleted it. The page was opened in the browser, then after some time I finished reading your post, then I refreshed the page and saw that you edited the post. But, I managed to read it and understood the course of your thoughts. You delete your thoughts in vain, there is no need for it. Feel free to write.

Thanks Stoker. But please can you remove the contents of my deleted post. That is my prerogative, not yours, to not have it on the forum. I hope you understand that. Thanks  :)

« Reply #460 on: May 20, 2023, 02:05 »
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Annie, I did not call you a communist, I wrote that you are not a communist. My English is pretty bad.

I saw your post long before you deleted it. The page was opened in the browser, then after some time I finished reading your post, then I refreshed the page and saw that you edited the post. But, I managed to read it and understood the course of your thoughts. You delete your thoughts in vain, there is no need for it. Feel free to write.

Thanks Stoker. But please can you remove the contents of my deleted post. That is my prerogative, not yours, to not have it on the forum. I hope you understand that. Thanks  :)
I don't have your deleted messages. I didn't copy them. You have removed them yourself.

« Reply #461 on: May 20, 2023, 02:12 »
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Found this information.
How the KGB (FSB) of Russia works in the USA.

"The rhetoric of today's Russia is hybrid. In their propaganda, the ultimate goal of which is the banal retention of power, Putin and his team are guided by the ideas of fascism, communism, old-fashioned imperialism and religious conservatism. This ideological dressing room is suitable for all scenarios. Dressed up in moth-eaten uniforms of a fascist, now in a second-hand leather jacket of a communist, now in a cassock, Russian agents in the United States are trying to draw the most diverse groups into their orbit.
Working with ultra-left groups, FSB agents pretend to be enemies of racism, fighters for gender equality and haters of colonialism. This is where Marxism comes into play. For left-wing Americans, it continues to be associated with the USSR, in which they do not want to see an empire and in the collapse of which they refuse to believe. Thus, a number of Marxist African-American groups in the United States fell under the influence of Putin's bluff - the African Popular Socialist Party and the Uhuru Movement (collectively referred to as APSP) in Florida, Black Hammer ("Black Hammer") in Georgia and one group in California.
One of the important goals of the operation was to convince the Americans to support the Russian annexation of the territories of Ukraine."

« Reply #462 on: May 20, 2023, 02:16 »
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"Thanks to the freedom of speech that exists in a democracy, Russian collaborators on the left continue to spread Russian propaganda on their websites and in magazines. An example is the Democratic Socialist Association of America (DSA), which, incidentally, has five members of the House of Representatives of Congress. "DSA calls on the US to withdraw from NATO and end the imperialist expansion that has set the stage for this conflict," its members say on their website. Interestingly, when criticizing the "expansion" of NATO, the socialists only take into account the imperial ambitions of Russia and ignore the right of the countries of Eastern Europe to choose allies and self-determination.

A well-known left-liberal magazine The Nation adheres to a similar position. He criticizes Putin, but at the same time he has a negative attitude not only to NATO, but also to the removal of Yanukovych in Ukraine. Speaking about the events of the Maidan in Ukraine, the left-wing liberals do not understand that under the influence of Russian propaganda they contradict their own convictions. Without reflection and without hesitation, these supporters of revolutions condemn the subjectivity of Ukrainians who had the political will to change power.

While one team of Russian agents is kissing socialists and blacks, the other is hugging conservatives and white neo-*. Here, Russian agents use other, often opposite, values - Christianity, the idealization of "traditional", that is, hierarchical relations in the family, the suppression of the rights of sexual minorities and the glorification of the white man.

As a result of such propaganda, the head of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke, once called Russia "the key to white survival." And white supremacist leader Richard Spencer called Russia "the only white power in the world."

In the right-wing radical groups of the Russian Federation, ultra-right journalists and bloggers are especially interested. A good example is One America News Network correspondent Jack Posobets, a proponent of neo-Nazi groups with a million followers on Twitter. According to investigations by US intelligence agencies and Hatewatch, Posobets worked closely with the Russian-registered SouthFront website. Posobets spread disinformation about biological laboratories in Ukraine. He questioned the reality of the massacre of civilians in Bucha. We cant say what happened in Bucha, he said in his podcast aimed at a youth audience. The anti-Ukrainian position in the United States is closely connected with anti-democratic activity in the country. So during the 2016 elections, Posobets helped the anti-democratic project to abolish legitimate elections Stop theft become viral."

« Reply #463 on: May 20, 2023, 02:18 »
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"One of the most dangerous supporters of the Russian Federation was Tucker Carlson, the mega-popular and radical conservative presenter recently fired from the Fox News channel. He did everything to undermine democracy in America. Contrary to the facts known to him, he did not get tired of assuring that the US presidential elections were rigged.

Carlson has been accused of racism more than once. He called the Iraqis "semi-literate primitive monkeys", said that because of the immigrants the country was "poorer and dirtier", attributed to the "white people" "the creation of civilization."
He openly stated that in Russia's war against Ukraine he was rooting for Russia, and he repeated Russian propaganda so often, including nonsense about biological laboratories, that he became the darling of the Russian press. And when he was fired for reasons known only to Fox managers, Russian propagandist Solovyov publicly offered him a job.

The influence of the pro-Russian ultra-left and ultra-right in the United States is unequal. There are only a handful of left-wing liberals in Congress, and their influence on Democratic-minded voters is weak. Democrats overwhelmingly support aid to Ukraine (79%), according to a March Axios/Ipsos poll.

The right-wing radical direction is much closer to the reality of the Russian Federation and is much more effective in its propaganda. "Putin's wing" in Congress consists of several dozen people and they have a serious influence on their Republican voters. As a result (according to Axios/Ipsos) only 42% of Republicans in the country today support assistance to Ukraine.

Last year, the most liberal and most conservative members of the House of Representatives voted together against a bill to confiscate the assets of Russian oligarchs under sanctions in order to use their funds in support of Ukraine. Together they were eight people."

« Reply #464 on: May 20, 2023, 04:23 »
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In order for Russian youth to correctly understand the situation, to think good and not evil, it is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire, temporarily occupy Moscovia (and this is exactly the territory where the Russians can eventually remain) and completely retrain them for 20 years. During this time, normal flowers and plants will grow in good soil.

Read your own comment but replace Russia by Ukraine and Mosovia by Metropolitanate of Kyiv or whatever region that's historically part of nowadays Ukraine.
And, let it sink in.
These are the dreams of Russian fascists, rashists and terrorists. Currently, the Russians have occupied part of the territory of Ukraine and are engaged in the genocide of Ukrainians, murders and their deportation to Russia.
Although a lot of the territory of the Russian Empire is historically the territory of Ukraine, Ukraine does not attack anyone and does not occupy anyone. My post, which you quoted, described who the Russians are and what can help them in this world. This post was purely theoretical and will never be practical. The goal of Ukraine is to join NATO and fence off with ditches and a huge wall from the Russians and Muscovy.

« Reply #465 on: May 21, 2023, 04:25 »
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What are Trump prospects in next year's elections? Why is he not removed from the elections, because there are many investigations against him? One Capitol attack is worth something.

« Reply #466 on: May 21, 2023, 04:50 »
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Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton believes that Donald Trump's victory in the presidential election in 2024 will be a threat to Ukraine.
Clinton said she did not believe Trump would win, but warned that if he succeeded, it would be "the end of democracy in the United States" and "the end of Ukraine."
Hillary Clinton believes that "complicated, messianic, narcissistic, authoritarian" Vladimir Putin was counting on a US exit from NATO under Trump's presidency.
"It would have been a cakewalk for him. And so when Trump didn't win, he [Putin] decided he had to go ahead," she said. It turned out to be "a completely miscalculation," Clinton added.
She suggested that Russia's failed war against Ukraine forced Chinese leader Xi Jinping to reconsider his plans for Taiwan.
Trump was a gift to people like Xi and Putin. He was so in love with authoritarian leaders that he was incapable of any strategic approach to China. And you know, he was clearly going to do everything that Putin wanted from NATO, Clinton said. .
https://www.ft.com/content/08546c35-1c14-43e9-8ee3-4aca5187a0fd

« Reply #467 on: May 21, 2023, 09:57 »
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Just to add my 2 cents. Russia simply will not stop until they are stopped.

Not sure why it hasn't been publicised more but they have already stepped up attempts to destabilise Moldova, even going as far as to attempt a coup.

Huge pro-EU rally, in Moldova, today.
It's worth noticing that nobody is holding rallies to join russia.

« Last Edit: May 21, 2023, 10:01 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #468 on: May 21, 2023, 13:00 »
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Ukraine. A village near the city of Poltava. The camera is constantly filming the nest of storks.
https://www.youtube.com/live/yeA403uHdTw?feature=share

« Reply #469 on: May 22, 2023, 09:26 »
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"The Parliamentary Assembly of the NATO countries recognized the actions of the Russian army against Ukrainians as genocide, and the ideology of the Russian Federation as rashism.
The Assembly also called on all NATO heads of state to declare their support for Ukraine in its aspiration to become a member of the alliance."

« Reply #470 on: May 23, 2023, 04:11 »
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Fighting began in the Bryansk and Belgorod regions of fascist Russia. Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine have entered, or it is the Russian liberation army. In any case, the war from the territory of Ukraine must be transferred to the territory of the russian empire.
 ::)

https://youtu.be/5cxXcJL9pxE
There are subtitles. Can be translated into any language.

Operational data: 30 square kilometers have already been liberated from the Russian fascist regime. Hmm.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2023, 04:28 by stoker2014 »

Just_to_inform_people2

« Reply #471 on: May 23, 2023, 14:14 »
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Fighting began in the Bryansk and Belgorod regions of fascist Russia. Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine have entered, or it is the Russian liberation army. In any case, the war from the territory of Ukraine must be transferred to the territory of the russian empire.
 ::)

https://youtu.be/5cxXcJL9pxE
There are subtitles. Can be translated into any language.

Operational data: 30 square kilometers have already been liberated from the Russian fascist regime. Hmm.

You do know that one of the two parties that engaged this adventure are fully engaged nazi's that are not allowed to enter the EU because of it. And it seems they are sponsored by Ukraine to do so. So with all your talk about fascists and * how do you respond to his. Which side do you choose? The fascist party that wants to overthrow Russia or fascist Russia? Really curious.

« Reply #472 on: May 24, 2023, 05:47 »
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Fighting began in the Bryansk and Belgorod regions of fascist Russia. Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine have entered, or it is the Russian liberation army. In any case, the war from the territory of Ukraine must be transferred to the territory of the russian empire.
 ::)

https://youtu.be/5cxXcJL9pxE
There are subtitles. Can be translated into any language.

Operational data: 30 square kilometers have already been liberated from the Russian fascist regime. Hmm.

You do know that one of the two parties that engaged this adventure are fully engaged nazi's that are not allowed to enter the EU because of it. And it seems they are sponsored by Ukraine to do so. So with all your talk about fascists and * how do you respond to his. Which side do you choose? The fascist party that wants to overthrow Russia or fascist Russia? Really curious.
1. I did not understand who was banned from entering the EU?
2. What fascist party are you talking about, there is no party at all. There are Russians who call themselves the liberation army.
What is happening now on the territory of Russia can be called a civil war, because. the armed forces of Ukraine are not there. But, in the conditions of the war with the Russian Empire, it is very likely that the Armed Forces of Ukraine can also enter the territory of Russia to create a buffer security zone 100 km into the roughness of Russia.
3. Naturally, Ukraine will support Russian partisans who want to fight the Russian army. There is no fascism here. The fascists are the Russians themselves, who pay taxes in Russia and support the occupation and genocide of Ukraine. But those Russians who became partisans are anti-fascists.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2023, 05:50 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #473 on: May 24, 2023, 06:59 »
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This will remain as the biggest trolling in war history.

russia never admitted the invasion of Ukraine.
It was the "people of Donbas" who begged putin for help to fight the "Ukrainian fascists".
It was not the russians who started the war in Ukraine,  but "local freedom-fighting" militias.

Many were brainwashed by the russian propaganda and still believe this crap. Even in this forum there are a few poor souls who fell for it.

Now the same thing happens in the mirror.
It's not Ukraine occupying positions in Belgorod, but "russian freedom fighters".
It's a "civil war" inside russia, like it was in Ukraine since 2014. And maybe it will also become a special operation, but never a war.

Now it's only normal to ask russia to give up the Belgorod province in exchange for peace, like Ukraine was asked to give up its territories in exchange for peace.

Or maybe an independent Belgorod People's Republic should be declared because Ukraine needs a buffer zone inside russia to protect itself, like russia needed a buffer zone inside Ukraine to protect itself.

russian apologists are getting a taste of their own medicine.

It could have been funny if it wasn't tragic.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2023, 10:33 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #474 on: May 24, 2023, 07:14 »
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This will remain as the biggest trolling in war history.

russia never admitted the invasion of Ukraine.
It was the "people of Donbas" who begged putin for help to fight the "Ukrainian fascists".
It was not the russians who started the war in Ukraine,  but "local freedom-fighting" militias.

Many were brainwashed by the russian propaganda and still believe this crap. Even in this forum there are a few poor souls who fell for it.

Now the same thing happens in the mirror.
It's not Ukraine occupying positions in Belgorod, but "russian freedom fighters".
It's a "civil war" inside russia, like it was in Ukraine since 2014. And maybe it will also become a special operation, but never a war.

Now it's only normal to ask russia to give up the Belgorod province in exchange for peace, like Ukraine was asked to give up its territories in exchange for peace.

Or maybe an independent Behorod republic should be declared because ukraine needs a buffer zone inside russia to protect itself, like russia needed a buffer zone inside Ukraine to protect itself.

russian apologists are getting a taste of their own medicine.

It could have been funny if it wasn't tragic.
I will add.
If Ukraine really needs a buffer zone with a fascist country, and this is not only the Belgorod region, but also the Kursk, Bryansk, Rostov and Voronezh regions, then the goal of the Russian empire is the occupation of all of Ukraine and the genocide of Ukrainians. Also, Russia's current goal is to occupy all of Eastern Europe, including Berlin.
From a military point of view, until the Russian empire is liquidated, a buffer zone inside Russia would be the best option. Now the Russians are shooting at the houses of Ukrainians in Kharkov, Chernigov, etc. The creation of a buffer zone would eliminate these attacks. Also, when the F16 is handed over to Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will shoot down Russian planes and Russian missiles over the territory of Russia itself. This is all correct and fair.
But, I will say this, it is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire, the Russians threaten the whole world. There are several ways to liquidate.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2023, 09:51 by stoker2014 »


 

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