Nobody should be needing any buffer zones in other countries.
Not russia, not Ukraine, not anyone.

This is because Russia does not fire artillery at residential buildings in other countries and does not send troops to other countries. (For now. If Russia is not stopped at the borders of Ukraine..)
The buffer zone will protect Ukrainian cities from artillery shelling and surprise attacks. The buffer zone must be demilitarized from russian troops.
And yes, in the civilized world, people cannot even imagine what Russia is and who the russians are. The Fascists and * in the 30-40s of the last century, you always need to remember them when it comes to Russians.  Which of them is worse is a big question, the russians are no better.
In any case, you yourself provided a map of the correct offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there, on the map, these Russian regions were marked, on the territory of which the Armed Forces of Ukraine should enter.

Quote from: SVH on May 23, 2023, 14:14

Quote from: stoker2014 on May 23, 2023, 04:11

Fighting began in the Bryansk and Belgorod regions of fascist Russia. Either the Armed Forces of Ukraine have entered, or it is the Russian liberation army. In any case, the war from the territory of Ukraine must be transferred to the territory of the russian empire.
 

https://youtu.be/5cxXcJL9pxE
There are subtitles. Can be translated into any language.

Operational data: 30 square kilometers have already been liberated from the Russian fascist regime. Hmm.

You do know that one of the two parties that engaged this adventure are fully engaged nazi's that are not allowed to enter the EU because of it. And it seems they are sponsored by Ukraine to do so. So with all your talk about fascists and * how do you respond to his. Which side do you choose? The fascist party that wants to overthrow Russia or fascist Russia? Really curious.

1. I did not understand who was banned from entering the EU?
2. What fascist party are you talking about, there is no party at all. There are Russians who call themselves the liberation army.
What is happening now on the territory of Russia can be called a civil war, because. the armed forces of Ukraine are not there. But, in the conditions of the war with the Russian Empire, it is very likely that the Armed Forces of Ukraine can also enter the territory of Russia to create a buffer security zone 100 km into the roughness of Russia.
3. Naturally, Ukraine will support Russian partisans who want to fight the Russian army. There is no fascism here. The fascists are the Russians themselves, who pay taxes in Russia and support the occupation and genocide of Ukraine. But those Russians who became partisans are anti-fascists.

You really need to deepen a bit more when getting your info. There are two groups who did this. The Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) and The Liberty of Russia Legion (FRL). The first one and I quote from BBC:
"Its leader is known as Denis Kapustin or Denis Nikitin, a Russian nationalist, and the group openly espouses a mono-ethnic Russian state.
In 2020, a Ukrainian investigative website alleged he had links to neo-Nazi groups and Nikitin has spoken in the past of belonging to a movement of football hooligans." Other news sources mention the same.

They both are based in Ukraine and say they are in contact with Ukranian military forces.

Wikipedia:"The group claims to be part of Ukraine's armed forces, but Ukrainian military officials say it is independent"

and

"The Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC) was founded in August 2022 by Denis Nikitin (real surname Kapustin), who has been described in media as a neo-Nazi football hooligan. He was born in Moscow, and moved to Germany in 2001 and lived there for several years; he returned to Russia in 2008 and founded the clothing brand White Rex before moving to Ukraine in 2017, where he was involved with far-right movements"

So, far-right, fascist guy that already lived in Ukraine and associated himself with nazist movement in Ukraine way before Russia invaded Ukraine.

If you are cheering for this guy while you despice fascism then please eloborate what it is you actually stand for?

More?

"Nikitin is famous for his nationalist clothing brand White Rex. It was created on August 14, 2008 - this date hints at the well-known Nazi code 14/88. The brand logo designed is based on the "Black Sun", another popular neo-Nazi symbol.

Nikitin also organized a mixed martial arts tournament �Spirit of the Warrior�, which became popular with far-right nationalists. The well-known neo-Nazi and ultra-right blogger Maxim Martsinkevich, known as Tesak, helped promote these tournaments. According to the Moscow Times, these tournaments started in Moscow, and afterwards also expanded to Italy, Hungary and Greece."

and concerning not entering the EU:
"Far-right activities led to the fact that in 2019 Nikitin was banned from entering the European Union for 10 years. Schengen zone for 10 years. Nevertheless, according to Bellingcat, he continued to actively participate in the activities of the far right in Germany, France, Bulgaria and other countries without entering them."

Nice people

Do also remember that Svoboda which is a far-right nazi party obtained most of it's popularity in West-Ukraine, not in the east. So, you can call Russia fascists and Nazi's but it was them, together with Western countries, fighting against Hitler's Germany. And it's the western part of Ukraine who embraces now, and in the recent past, this far-right idealism, not the eastern part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

This nazi party took a substantial role in overthrowing the sitting government during the maiden protests.

Quote from: SVH on May 24, 2023, 15:23

Nice people

I have no idea what these people are and who they really are. I have little interest in the personalities of Russian partisans. But since such information has gone, I think the KGB (FSB) of Russia has connected to this issue, and most likely this is Russian propaganda, and the article is custom-made.
For me personally, fascists are those who kill Ukrainian children, women, occupy Ukrainian cities. I don't know what the leaders of these movements did wrong. But I know that they did only one thing, they went to fight against the Russian fascists. That's all I know. But you can follow Russian propaganda and consider all those who are now fighting against rashism to be criminals.
By the way, the so-called Russian "opposition" is now throwing mud at these Russian partisans, because they understand that if they win, then this pocket "opposition" of Putin will be thrown into the trash of history.
I am sure that if the Russian partisans were fascists, they certainly would not have fought against Putin.

And at the expense of sanctions, since the United States kept the Ukrainian regiment "Azov" under sanctions for a long time, in the United States they believed that the * were fighting there. But since February last year, as far as I know, the United States has lifted these sanctions. For reference, only the most devoted to Ukraine patriots have always fought in the Azov regiment.

It's common knowledge if you just read normal western media. It's not Russian propoganda. Do look in your local media and you will find it as well. I gave you a link of the BBC. Or are they propogating Russia's information as well?

Quote from: stoker2014 on May 24, 2023, 15:38

Quote from: SVH on May 24, 2023, 15:23

Nice people

I have no idea what these people are and who they really are. I have little interest in the personalities of Russian partisans. But since such information has gone, I think the KGB (FSB) of Russia has connected to this issue, and most likely this is Russian propaganda, and the article is custom-made.
For me personally, fascists are those who kill Ukrainian children, women, occupy Ukrainian cities. I don't know what the leaders of these movements did wrong. But I know that they did only one thing, they went to fight against the Russian fascists. That's all I know. But you can follow Russian propaganda and consider all those who are now fighting against rashism to be criminals.
By the way, the so-called Russian "opposition" is now throwing mud at these Russian partisans, because they understand that if they win, then this pocket "opposition" of Putin will be thrown into the trash of history.
I am sure that if the Russian partisans were fascists, they certainly would not have fought against Putin.

And at the expense of sanctions, since the United States kept the Ukrainian regiment "Azov" under sanctions for a long time, in the United States they believed that the * were fighting there. But since February last year, as far as I know, the United States has lifted these sanctions. For reference, only the most devoted to Ukraine patriots have always fought in the Azov regiment.

It's common knowledge if you just read normal western media. It's not Russian propoganda. Do look in your local media and you will find it as well. I gave you a link of the BBC. Or are they propogating Russia's information as well?

1. I don't see your link.
2. You need to think, and not blindly believe what is published. The same New York Times very often publishes articles with Russian propaganda. And the Fox channel is the mouthpiece of Russian propaganda in the United States. And what?
As I already wrote here in the subject, a lot of agents of the Kremlin, Putin and the KGB work in democratic countries. Even the Russian "opposition" is, in fact, a bunch of Rashists. And even today, in democratic countries, many listen to what Russians say and believe them.
3. Therefore, your text is the work of either the KGB or the Russian opposition.

SVH, I don't read authors who write Russian propaganda. All your texts are 100% Russian propaganda. I have to put you on ignore.

SVH, I don't read authors who write Russian propaganda. All your texts are 100% Russian propaganda. I have to put you on ignore.

I thought you already put me on the ignore list. I guess some Russian hacked you and removed me from it

But you are completely right, let's ignore eachother. You are thinking so in black and white, it's difficult to have to have a discussion with you about the more grey areas of reality. Good luck with your blinders on.

I am answering the question "Injustice for all", asked by him in the profile topic.

"Frankly,I don't believe everything I read,nor the fact that Putin expected to win the war in 3 days and that he had given rations to the army for 3 days,not even if Putin himself said it,because he could say it for any personal or political reasons."

When the armed forces of Ukraine destroyed the columns of Russian heavy equipment and destroyed the vehicles accompanying them, a lot of dress Russian uniforms were found. They advanced with this uniform. This is a proven fact. But, I don't see much point in discussing it.

"But I am sure of one thing,that continuing to fuel these contrasts by pointing fingers and calling the Russians fascists does not help anyone,and it is precisely this mentality that must be set aside."

And how it was necessary to call the fascists in the 30-40s of the last century? Other countries didn't call them fascists, they traded with them, helped their economy, as a result they got the second world war.

"But then I would like to understand one thing,since the Russians say in their photos that Crimea is Russia then they are all fascists?"

Yes, Russian fascists and rashists, because in this way they support the fascist system and support its "successes". Putin, seeing such support, continues to do what the Russian electorate likes.

"You say�Russians live for many centuries only by wars,occupation and robbery�.
Like every other countries in the history as far as I know!"

There are only three medieval empires left on planet Earth, these are Russia, China and Iran. Also in the topic, we also talked about fascism, as well as the genocide of other peoples.
For yourself, you must decide in which century you personally live.

"I know,we still have a long way to go,but I'm sure one day we'll figure it out,I just hope not too late."

Of course, we will figure it out, the armed forces of Ukraine liquidate Russian fascists and terrorists every day, and all democratic countries supply weapons to Ukraine through Lend-Lease.

Thanks for the reply and for moving the thread to a more appropriate topic.

I served in the Italian army in the 90s,and I think war is not the solution today,in the past maybe but not today,but show with firmness and determination that you are ready to fight for the values ​​of freedom and democracy,yes I believe in this.

I believe that in this scenario an USA republican government would have been more suitable to manage this crisis,instead a democratic USA government was more suitable to manage the health crisis we have gone through.

Why do i believe this?because in my opinion this bloodshed had to be stopped from the beginning,when Putin was massing troops in Belarus and preparing to invade Ukraine,even though it is not a member country of NATO and EU it was necessary to defend the European borders,and more than anything else demonstrate to the whole world that such actions are no longer tolerable.

What would have happened in my opinion?Nothing!Because the Russians could not and cannot unleash a third world war,therefore a diplomatic solution had to be reached.
Instead the democratic world did not want to get its hands dirty and act with firmness and determination and now the situation has degenerated.

I am and remain convinced that the Russian population for the most part and above all the under 50s do not want war,and Putin has lost and continues to lose the support of the population.

In my opinion,Putin and those who support him are now only the shadow of a Russian Federation now in extinction,I don't think he will be supported by his army and population much longer.
NATO will continue to expand,and its attempt to stop it is bound to fail,and the most cultured and educated and most modern Russian population knows it.

So let's stop accusing the Russian population of being fascists,the fault here lies in a backward Government which is doomed to fail.

In a way you are right. The bloodshed could have been stopped if Ukraine was part of NATO, or if NATO would have had the guts to declare and maintain a no-fly zone over Ukraine. But many weak politicians were afraid to call putin's bluff. By failing to do that, they emboldened him and gave him the impression that he is too strong to be opposed.

Only recently, most of these politicians realized that we must call putin's bluff and even raise the ante, or else things may become worse.
Better late than never, but it's so sad to see how many lives were lost because of political indecisiveness and failed appeasements attempts (e.g. Macron being ridiculed by putin with that long kremlin table)

And, please, repeat after me: NATO IS NOT EXPANDING. NATO is joined!

NATO was joined by independent free countries, who knew well too well what it meant to live for decades, as colonies, under the soviet/russian boot (+Finland, with their own tragic russian experince)

Let's also remember that the bloodshed can be stopped tomorrow, if putin decides to withdraw and restore Ukraine's freedom and territorial integrity.

Let's also remember that the bloodshed can be stopped tomorrow, if putin decides to withdraw and restore Ukraine's freedom and territorial integrity.

I am sure that most Russians will not support such a decision. The Russian Empire rests only on wars, occupation, murders, terror and robbery. The Russians would consider such a scenario a capitulation. Voluntarily, the Russians will definitely not do this. But the F16 fighters handed over to Ukraine will help the Russians quickly escape from Ukraine.
Also, let's not forget that the Russian empire is a threat to the whole world. It is necessary to liquidate the Russian empire and destroy the fascist and rashist regime in Russia.
As an intermediate option, Ukraine should be in NATO. Or Ukraine needs to create a 100 km buffer zone deep into Russia along the entire joint border. Only Ukrainian troops should be in this buffer zone. I already wrote about this.

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 31, 2023, 10:06

I served in the Italian army in the 90s,and I think war is not the solution today,in the past maybe but not today,but show with firmness and determination that you are ready to fight for the values ​​of freedom and democracy,yes I believe in this.

400 thousand Russian terrorist soldiers are on the territory of Ukraine and kill Ukrainians. The war has already been going on for more than a year, and it is already too late to say that the war is not a solution to the problem.
Here is a summary of the losses of the Russian army for today.

https://dnepr.express/storage/media/publishing-media/2023/05/31/1685515513-i11yz/conversions/347266304-815387743262847-819151559394317021-n-optimized.jpg

In my opinion, many were afraid of Russia. In NATO countries, few people want to draw their country into a direct war, so only Ukrainians are waging war. Let's not forget that China supports Russia and may also join it.
But yes, it was possible to impose sanctions against Russia back in the 90s of the last century, not to mention 2014, when Russia launched a war against Ukraine.

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 31, 2023, 10:06

I am and remain convinced that the Russian population for the most part and above all the under 50s do not want war,and Putin has lost and continues to lose the support of the population.

I read that in Italy they treat Russians very well. I also read that the Italian government supported Russia and Putin for a long time. There are many KGB (FSB) agents in Italy.
As for the Russians, I have not yet met a single Russian who could answer 5 questions. The Russian opposition cannot answer these questions either.
I bring these questions here, you can ask them to all the Russians you meet. And you will find that most Russians (of all ages) are happy with Putin's results, some just don't like the methods. At the same time, the Russians do nothing to fight their fascist regime. More precisely, they do, but this is only 1% of their entire population, if not less.

1. Whose Crimea?
2. Should the Russian Empire continue to exist within today's borders? Or do oppressed peoples have the right to secede and create their own nation-states?
3. Should all war criminals who kill Ukrainians or help them be punished?
4. Should Russia withdraw its troops from Ukraine, Crimea, Donbass?
5. Should Russia pay reparations to Ukraine and Ukrainians for those killed, for destroyed cities, destroyed ecology and other losses?

war is never the solution,in today's times more than ever.

yes,Russia is squandering a patrimony and is destined to lose,about this I think that by now no one has any doubts,and it is also a dangerous situation because in desperation,desperate acts can be carried out,also for this reason it was necessary to act first and not allow the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Nuclear weapons scares,but this is precisely Putin's bluff,he has no intention of unleashing WWIII,and therefore unfortunately the US and EU governments,and all of NATO stood by giving support to Ukraine and we were even too slow after and we allowed all of this.

I don't think China will support Russia in any war directed against NATO.

Italy is among the Western countries that has always had good relations with Russia,in my opinion perhaps even the best ever in Europe,also and above all at a commercial level.Italy is among the first 4 countries in the world to operate import-export with the Russia,if I remember right,and unfortunately is almost completely dependent on Russian gas,many cultural exchanges,many Russian students come to Italy to study art above all,and there has always been mutual help,support and sympathy practically since always.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine changed of course many of this things,for example we will be able to be independent from Russian gas most likely by the end of 2023.
Italy's position has changed especially since the end of 2022 when the new right-wing Italian government was established with Giorgia Meloni the first woman ever in Italy to be prime minister.

We support Ukraine in this war,we are among the top 10 countries that donated the most to Ukraine,we have given full cooperation in the sanctions imposed on Russia,we host hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugee/friends.

In my opinion,Russians are not fascists and Crimea should be free and independent from Russia and Ukraine,but I think we need an official referendum for this managed by Europe,United States,Russia and Ukraine,because it is a territory thrown into total chaos for too long.

Russians are not fascists

1. Study this topic on pages 12-13.
2. Talk to Ukrainian refugees from the war zone.
3. The Italian media are very merciful and protect the psyche of their citizens, so they don�t show you even 10% of what is happening in Ukraine. This is so that the Italians do not start hunting Russians on the streets of Italy.
4. Rather than write from Italy, being several thousand kilometers from the front, it is better to come to the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine. You can go there through Russia. When you arrive, say that you are for Ukraine. After that, you will be taken to a concentration camp, there are a lot of them, and in a few minutes you will quickly realize that you have fallen into the hands of the Gestapo.
5. Naturally, the media do not publish photos of Russian atrocities against women and children. But in Ukraine, in state institutions, upon request, they will show you.