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Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #675 on:** July 09, 2023, 12:31 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 12:17

... I forgot about another GoP candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy who is parroting putin's propaganda:

Here is his latest tweet:
@JoeBiden needs to man up to his bully-friend Zelensky & clearly state that we are dead-set opposed to Ukrainian admission to NATO. This should be a hard red line. It’s shameful that even Republicans like @LindseyGrahamSC are now pushing for it. Stop marching us to the brink of nuclear war. For all the hand-wringing about the 1994 Budapest Memorandum (on which the U.S. has more than fulfilled its commitments), the neocon-Democrat establishment is shockingly silent on James Baker’s famous 1990 “Not-One-Inch” commitment to Gorbachev that NATO would never extend east of Germany. NATO was created to deter conflict with the USSR, yet NATO has expanded most rapidly *after* the fall of the USSR & is now *worsening* the risk of nuclear war with Russia itself. This is sheer lunacy. As President I’ll refuse to be bullied by an anti-democratic comedian-turned-leader & it’s truly mystifying to me that the rest of the West is eating out of this Pied Piper’s hand every day.

And right this guy is. The western world is risking a lot in grabbing this country. And the EU is just dumb. This is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. They have a history of nazism and are still full of neo-nazi's today. You don't want this in your community. They pretend to be sweet but have comitted a coup and afterwards waged war against their own population in the east for a decade. Killing thousand of civilians and leaving more then a million homeless.

Again, the enemy of your enemy is not your friend. And people are risking a lot helping them. But nobody listens anymore. All just focussed on destroying russia. Good luck but do not complain if it will cost you dearly.

All it takes is a long range missile, delivered by Great Britain, that is fired upon Moscow. They promise they wouldn't but they have shown that their promises are not worth much.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #676 on:** July 09, 2023, 14:36 »

Lol.
He is yet another useful idiot, craving for attention and as wrong as putin (or medvedev), whose words he is parroting.

Go back some pages and you will see that the whole story about Baker and Gorbachev, (disproved and discussed ad-nauseam) is proof of how effective russian propaganda is, and a crass distortion of the reality, by fools, by those putin apologists with interest in sowing discord among allies, or by those trying to differentiate themselves from common sense people, no matter how, like our wannabe president, Vivek.

The nuclear war threat is a nice play by putin, a good poker player, who fooled many Western leaders (Obama inclusive), afraid for too long to call his bluff.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #677 on:** July 09, 2023, 15:12 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 14:36

Lol.
He is yet another useful idiot, craving for attention and as wrong as putin (or medvedev), whose words he is parroting.

Go back some pages and you will see that the whole story about Baker and Gorbachev, (disproved and discussed ad-nauseam) is a proof of how effective russian propaganda is, and a crass distortion of the reality, by fools, by those putin apologists with interest in sawing discord among allies, or by those trying to differentiate themselves from common sense people, no matter how, like our wannabe president, Vivek.

The nuclear war threat is a nice play by putin, a good poker player, who fooled many western leaders (Obama inclusive), afraid for too long to call his bluff.

Lol you. I am just a person with a different opnion. But according to you I am an useful idiot, a parrot, a fool, a Putin apologist, having no common sense. And that is the problem with social democrats these days, like you. You think you own the truth and everybody that deviates from your vision must be sick in the head and can be put away as an idiot. I bet I will win an IQ test against you any time.

It is you that is clearly misstaking here. This is just powerplay of the US and EU over Russia. They really don't care about Ukraine. Your beloved president Biden even thought that Russia was at war with Iraq instead of Ukraine, didn't even try to correct his statement. Ukraine is not important at all in this story. Russia is. If Ukraine was at war with Moldavia or Romania the US wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. So, are you willing to fight a full blown war with Russia? I am not. Not over Ukraine which is not a country in NATO, the EU or is as sweet as people like to paint them. Because they are not.

You are missing the point by a mile here what this is all about. You probably would like to reinstate McCarthy to prosecute, not democrats this time, but the people with a deviating opinion because obviously their are colluding with the russians, right?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #678 on:** July 09, 2023, 15:19 »

Quote from: SVH on July 09, 2023, 15:12

And that is the problem with social democrats these days, like you.

You got me wrong as everything else. I'm NOT a social democrat.
I would even gladly vote for Vivek if not for his foolishness in foreign affairs matters.

Here is the summary of his positions:

1. God is real.
2. There are two genders.
3. Human flourishing requires fossil fuels.
4. Reverse racism is racism.
5. An open border is no border.
6. Parents determine the education of their children.
7. The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind.
8. Capitalism lifts people up from poverty.
9. There are three branches of the U.S. government, not four.
10. The U.S. Constitution is the strongest guarantor of freedoms in history.

Except for the first point (which must be replaced by 1. God is man-made), I more or less agree with the rest of his points, pending some nuances.

Quote from: SVH on July 09, 2023, 15:12

Your beloved president Biden...

You got me wrong, again, like everything else. Biden is NOT my "beloved" president. He is simply the only alternative at hand, instead of a trump disaster.

PS:

Quote from: SVH on July 09, 2023, 15:12

I bet I will win an IQ test against you any time.

Playing the "mine-is-bigger-than-yours" teenage games tells everything that needs to be known about someone's IQ

Wilm · « **Reply #679 on:** July 09, 2023, 15:33 »

Quote from: SVH on July 09, 2023, 10:41

Quote from: Annie on July 08, 2023, 17:54
I have one troll on me at the moment. He follows everything I do, he hacks accounts, or creates fake ones, and messages me on platforms that my work is uploaded to that he can reach me. He's always at his worse when its Friday or Saturday night in the USA - I am guessing that is when he hits the bottle. His actions are all geared to saying to me, 'I know everything you do, I know how to manipulate you into closing your accounts, find minor faults with everything you do, destroy any pleasure in what you do, and therefore I AM BETTER THAN YOU'.
That is terrible Annie.

Can't the stock agencies or the police help expose and get this person? This is criminal and should not be gone by.

Good luck with this. I hope the person gets caught and you get left alone.

+1

But as far as I‘ve unsterstood it correctly, it‘s not only about Annie‘s stock activities.

I hope that the idiot can be tracked out!

Zero Talent · « **Reply #680 on:** July 09, 2023, 15:49 »

Quote from: Wilm on July 09, 2023, 15:33

I hope that the idiot can be tracked out!

+1

stoker2014 · « **Reply #681 on:** July 10, 2023, 02:42 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 11:40

But the anti-interventionist wing is dominant in terms of influence, with two members, Donald J. Trump and Ron DeSantis, far outpolling everybody else.[/i]

I like the Republicans on matters of military foreign policy. And I don't like the Democrats very much, sorry about that. When the world is dealing with fascism, rashism, genocide, democrats are not very effective. Democrats do more harm than good.
But of course I don't like Trump and his supporters. And I know that if Trump or DeSantis becomes president, the US fight against global evil and terrorism will be worse than the Democrats do.
That's why I wrote that it's a pity that the Republicans are nominating personalities like Trump and DeSantis.
Now the Democrats are in power, but I have a lot of complaints against them, and many people suffer and die from their policies.

The place where a person lives determines his point of view. I understand people who live under the NATO umbrella, support the Democrats and dislike the Republicans. But as soon as this person begins to live in a country that is not part of NATO, his point of view regarding the Democrats will change very quickly.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #682 on:** July 10, 2023, 03:19 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 11:40

PS (about presidential candidates):
The old school has more adherents in the 2024 field, including Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, and Tim Scott, who support sending Ukraine military equipment and weapons but not troops. This aligns with President Biden’s strategy, though they maintain that Mr. Biden is executing it wrong.

They say that Ukraine needs to deliver on time what is needed right now. They talk about aviation and long-range missiles.
Of course, according to the Budapest Memorandum, the United States should have sent troops to Ukraine to support it, or initially deployed military bases in Ukraine, or at least closed the sky over Ukraine, and also used aircraft against Russian terrorists.
Ukraine may resist the Russians, but Ukraine needs effective weapons.

cobalt · « **Reply #683 on:** July 10, 2023, 03:29 »

I think the most important thing coming out of this horror is that Europe must really learn to stand on their own feet and not rely on Uncle Sam as their battle angel for everything.

It is not enough to just send money, you need active war production and a really well trained European army. The US involvement to help Ukraine shouldn't even be necessary.

Ukraine should very soon be offered a joining of Nato. That should come first, long before getting into the EU. The latter is a very long and complicated process that will take over 10 years to complete, even without the burden of rebuilding.

But Europe should consider negotiating a security deal and easy work arrangements and travel with Ukrainians.

Wilm · « **Reply #684 on:** July 10, 2023, 05:16 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 04, 2023, 06:28

Armed Forces of Ukraine eliminate 231,030 Russian invaders already.

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!

As for the data of the killed Russian soldiers, a publication appeared today. According to the study, approx. 47,000 Russian soldiers have died.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead

Zero Talent · « **Reply #685 on:** July 10, 2023, 05:53 »

Very interesting study, Wilm. I like the smart use of analytics behind it.

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #686 on:** July 10, 2023, 06:06 »

Quote from: cobalt on July 10, 2023, 03:29

I think the most important thing coming out of this horror is that Europe must really learn to stand on their own feet and not rely on Uncle Sam as their battle angel for everything.

It is not enough to just send money, you need active war production and a really well trained European army. The US involvement to help Ukraine shouldn't even be necessary.

Ukraine should very soon be offered a joining of Nato. That should come first, long before getting into the EU. The latter is a very long and complicated process that will take over 10 years to complete, even without the burden of rebuilding.

But Europe should consider negotiating a security deal and easy work arrangements and travel with Ukrainians.

I do agree at some point but you see EC does not have an army itself. It is a unique economic and political union between 27 European countries. policies aim to ensure the free movement of people, goods, services and capital within the internal market.

In terms of defense it's different. For defense we all are united in NATO/OTAN with USA, Canada and UK. After WW2, NATO was established to face the cold war but since then NATO has been left with this competence for "war production and trained European army". I do recall a couple years ago President Macron saying that NATO was a little "braindead" and it make sense to me because Russia had developed economic relations with europe, which would lead to believe that the iron curtain between russia and the west could be thinner with time.

History once again proved otherwise. We can't let our guard down, just as we can't guarantee economic and political union without some strong defense. I am not seeing European countries giving up their defense in favor of a European army because that will affect the sovereignty of each member country. And in terms of European elections, there are countries with an abstention rate close to 70%, which certainly makes this type of European army decision even more difficult.

In a short/medium term IMO the answer would be Europe must contribute more for a bigger and better NATO.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #687 on:** July 10, 2023, 10:06 »

Quote from: Wilm on July 10, 2023, 05:16

As for the data of the killed Russian soldiers, a publication appeared today. According to the study, approx. 47,000 Russian soldiers have died.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead

This is the data of the Russians, there is a lie. Do not believe what the Russians write.
Biden said that 100,000 Russians were liquidated in Bakhmut alone. And Bayhmut is only 10% of the front, if not less.
Those figures that I gave are still very much underestimated, you can multiply by 1.5 or 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzlXFYvqKiw

stoker2014 · « **Reply #688 on:** July 10, 2023, 10:15 »

Quote from: cobalt on July 10, 2023, 03:29

I think the most important thing coming out of this horror is that Europe must really learn to stand on their own feet and not rely on Uncle Sam as their battle angel for everything.

It is not enough to just send money, you need active war production and a really well trained European army. The US involvement to help Ukraine shouldn't even be necessary.

Ukraine should very soon be offered a joining of Nato. That should come first, long before getting into the EU. The latter is a very long and complicated process that will take over 10 years to complete, even without the burden of rebuilding.

But Europe should consider negotiating a security deal and easy work arrangements and travel with Ukrainians.

EU countries should increase defense spending and contributions to the NATO budget accordingly. Also, Europe must understand that Russians are murderers, terrorists, criminals, barbarians, orcs and zombies. When this understanding comes, there will be no place for Russians in the democratic world.
Of course, Ukraine needs an army, Ukraine has it. Ukraine needs good weapons. Everything is bad with this.
The situation in Ukraine is similar to the situation if NATO did not protect, for example, Poland or Lithuania or Estonia. Ukraine hoped for the Budapest memorandum and expected US intervention.
Yes, there is the fault of Ukrainian politicians and corruption in Ukraine. For 30 years of independence, Ukraine could have had more weapons production, at least the quality of the Soviet era.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #689 on:** July 10, 2023, 10:22 »

I also see that many do not have an understanding that Ukraine is being helped not because Russia attacked Ukraine, but only because putin put forward an ultimatum to the NATO bloc and the next countries will be Poland, the Baltic States, Germany, Hungary, Romania, etc. .
Ukraine is now protecting not only its freedom, but also the EU countries. In fact, Russia started a war against NATO, but so far only Ukraine is fighting for NATO.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #690 on:** July 10, 2023, 10:54 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 11:40

As we have seen during the previous 2 presidential elections, virtually all the GoP will openly endorse trump, as soon as he will become the party nominee.
Moreover, they will have to listen to what their voters are asking them to do (see the polls mentioned above).

Of course the party will support Trump, otherwise the Republican needs to leave the party. But that doesn't mean anything. Many Republicans will not vote for the crap that Trump will propose.
I don't understand what voter asking you're talking about.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #691 on:** July 10, 2023, 11:56 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 10:54

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 11:40
As we have seen during the previous 2 presidential elections, virtually all the GoP will openly endorse trump, as soon as he will become the party nominee.
Moreover, they will have to listen to what their voters are asking them to do (see the polls mentioned above).
Of course the party will support Trump, otherwise the Republican needs to leave the party. But that doesn't mean anything. Many Republicans will not vote for the crap that Trump will propose.
I don't understand what voter asking you're talking about.

The elected representatives will have to listen to this:

Currently, 44% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, up modestly since January (40%) and the highest level since shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year.

If they don't, they will not get elected.

And when trump will win the nomination, this number will go up, beyond 50%.

I understand that you have a nostalgia for the old school GoP. That's understandable. I too miss the existence of a true conservative movement in the US.
What you fail to realize is that these days are gone.
The days of McCain's GoP are gone. McCain was and still is disparaged, even after his death, by trump and his supporters in a nasty way. The same for the other old school Republicans they call "RINOs".

And if trump becomes president again, you can kiss goodbye to all aid for Ukraine. No GoP representative will dare to vote against him.

Your only realistic hope is to have anyone but trump in the White House and as few as possible of his cult followers in Congress.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #692 on:** July 10, 2023, 14:05 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 10, 2023, 11:56

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 10:54
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 11:40
As we have seen during the previous 2 presidential elections, virtually all the GoP will openly endorse trump, as soon as he will become the party nominee.
Moreover, they will have to listen to what their voters are asking them to do (see the polls mentioned above).
Of course the party will support Trump, otherwise the Republican needs to leave the party. But that doesn't mean anything. Many Republicans will not vote for the crap that Trump will propose.
I don't understand what voter asking you're talking about.

The elected representatives will have to listen to this:

Currently, 44% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, up modestly since January (40%) and the highest level since shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year.

If they don't, they will not get elected.

And when trump will win the nomination, this number will go up, beyond 50%.

I understand that you have a nostalgia for the old school GoP. That's understandable. I too miss the existence of a true conservative movement in the US.
What you fail to realize is that these days are gone.
The days of McCain's GoP are gone. McCain was and still is disparaged, even after his death, by trump and his supporters in a nasty way. The same for the other old school Republicans they call "RINOs".

And if trump becomes president again, you can kiss goodbye to all aid for Ukraine. No GoP representative will dare to vote against him.

Your only realistic hope is to have anyone but trump in the White House and as few as possible of his cult followers in Congress.

I already wrote that 44% is a minority. Let's see the rest of your predictions. I don't want Trump in the White House. But even if he wins the elections, nothing catastrophic for Ukraine will happen. Little help from Biden either.
Yes, the Republicans don’t have a normal leader now, but I definitely won’t bury the party, who I am.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #693 on:** July 10, 2023, 15:23 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 14:05

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 10, 2023, 11:56
Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 10:54
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 09, 2023, 11:40
As we have seen during the previous 2 presidential elections, virtually all the GoP will openly endorse trump, as soon as he will become the party nominee.
Moreover, they will have to listen to what their voters are asking them to do (see the polls mentioned above).
Of course the party will support Trump, otherwise the Republican needs to leave the party. But that doesn't mean anything. Many Republicans will not vote for the crap that Trump will propose.
I don't understand what voter asking you're talking about.

The elected representatives will have to listen to this:

Currently, 44% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, up modestly since January (40%) and the highest level since shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year.

If they don't, they will not get elected.

And when trump will win the nomination, this number will go up, beyond 50%.

I understand that you have a nostalgia for the old school GoP. That's understandable. I too miss the existence of a true conservative movement in the US.
What you fail to realize is that these days are gone.
The days of McCain's GoP are gone. McCain was and still is disparaged, even after his death, by trump and his supporters in a nasty way. The same for the other old school Republicans they call "RINOs".

And if trump becomes president again, you can kiss goodbye to all aid for Ukraine. No GoP representative will dare to vote against him.

Your only realistic hope is to have anyone but trump in the White House and as few as possible of his cult followers in Congress.
I already wrote that 44% is a minority. Let's see the rest of your predictions. I don't want Trump in the White House. But even if he wins the elections, nothing catastrophic for Ukraine will happen. Little help from Biden either.
Yes, the Republicans don’t have a normal leader now, but I definitely won’t bury the party, who I am.

Isn't it about time, that if Ukraine is your home nation as Zero says, you get away from your computer and go and fight beside your brothers and sisters? I hear all this hate from you but you are not pulling a lot of weight yourself, are you? Or did I miss something and are you disabled and can only vomit hate all the time on this forum?

LDV81 · « **Reply #694 on:** July 10, 2023, 16:04 »

Quote from: Wilm on July 10, 2023, 05:16

As for the data of the killed Russian soldiers, a publication appeared today. According to the study, approx. 47,000 Russian soldiers have died.

Mordor started the invasion with about 200,000 orcs. Then they were forced to conduct a mobilization, adding how much? If I remember correctly, they added more than 300,000 orcs. But the results and territorial changes were barely noticeable.

Therefore 47,000 are highly unlikely. I think the Ukrainian estimates are closer to the truth than this.

LDV81 · « **Reply #695 on:** July 10, 2023, 16:23 »

Quote from: SVH on July 09, 2023, 12:13

Is this a good time to bring up Volhynia? There was a commemoration after all last week (the massive slaughter of Polish and Jewish people by Ukrainian nationalists).

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/07/polish-demand-for-recognition-of-wwii-massacres-sparks-row-with-ukraine

I bring this up because it's strange that the leaders of that massacre (like Stepan Bandera), are still being seen as heroes today in Ukraine, even increasingly the last few months. They should know better by now.

No, it is not strange. The Ukrainian statehood is relatively fresh. And any nation, especially a young one, needs some heroes, any kind of heroes...

But Bandera will be soon forgotten, there will be no need for such "heroes", especially when that "hero" is despised by one of their most important allies.
After the war, there will be countless new Ukrainian heroes who defended their country against Mordor and the genocide that its orcs brought with them.

And all the tankies and vatniks of the world can weep as much as they want and they will not be able to change it. Both Ukrainians and Poles understand that they must be friends and that there is no alternative.

Ukrainian-Polish brotherhood is a fact now, Russia is being demilitarized, Ukraine will be in NATO and the EU, Finland has joined NATO, Europe doesn't need Russian gas anymore, Russia is a vassal state of China. A piece of sh** would have been a more successful Russian president than putin, and a better choice for Russia. And if putin owns Trump, what does it say about Trump?

Wilm · « **Reply #696 on:** July 10, 2023, 16:53 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 10:06

Quote from: Wilm on July 10, 2023, 05:16
As for the data of the killed Russian soldiers, a publication appeared today. According to the study, approx. 47,000 Russian soldiers have died.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead
This is the data of the Russians, there is a lie. Do not believe what the Russians write.
Biden said that 100,000 Russians were liquidated in Bakhmut alone. And Bayhmut is only 10% of the front, if not less.
Those figures that I gave are still very much underestimated, you can multiply by 1.5 or 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzlXFYvqKiw

I don't believe anything because I have no idea what to believe.

I just wanted to express that different sources come to different numbers. How you can be sure that the figures you mentioned are correct or even significantly underestimated, as you write, I don't know either.

By the way, Dmitry Kobak is someone who has already uncovered Russia's embellished Corona statistics. According to his investigations, more than four times as many Russians died of corona than the Russian government's figures indicated.

I find it hard to believe that he would now have a scientific interest in whitewashing the numbers of deaths from the war.

If I were you, I would not believe the truth of all the pictures you publish here.

It is quite enough for the Russian trolls to cover the whole planet with countless untruths. We should not jump on this bandwagon!

Zero Talent · « **Reply #697 on:** July 10, 2023, 17:34 »

Quote from: LDV81 on July 10, 2023, 16:23

No, it is not strange. The Ukrainian statehood is relatively fresh. And any nation, especially a young one, needs some heroes, any kind of heroes...

But Bandera will be soon forgotten, there will be no need for such "heroes", especially when that "hero" is despised by one of their most important allies.
After the war, there will be countless new Ukrainian heroes who defended their country against Mordor and the genocide that its orcs brought with them.

And all the tankies and vatniks of the world can weep as much as they want and they will not be able to change it. Both Ukrainians and Poles understand that they must be friends and that there is no alternative.

Ukrainian-Polish brotherhood is a fact now, Russia is being demilitarized, Ukraine will be in NATO and the EU, Finland has joined NATO, Europe doesn't need Russian gas anymore, Russia is a vassal state of China. A piece of sh** would have been a more successful Russian president than putin, and a better choice for Russia. And if putin owns Trump, what does it say about Trump?

A similar case is available from Romania.

General Ion Antonescu is also a controversial figure.
After the USSR occupied and annexed Bessarabia and Bukovina, provinces split between today's Republic of Moldova and Ukraine (as a consequence of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact), Antonescu, prime minister at the time, had no option left but to ally with the Germans and fight the soviets to free the occupied Romanian lands.

Today, he is accused for not stopping at the old Romanian border, once the occupied territory was eliberated and for pushing the advance further inside the USSR.

It is also true that he is also accused (for good reason) for being antisemitic and for sympathizing with the far-right and fascist Iron Guard party.

But for many Romanian nationalists, he is a hero who fought for the eliberation of the country, despite his alliance with Hitler required to fight Stalin's occupying army.

Bendera is in similar position, between a rock and a hard place: he had to make an alliance with Stalin's enemies to fight for an independent Ukraine.

Lizard · « **Reply #698 on:** July 10, 2023, 18:02 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 10:15

EU countries should...

...think with our own heads and if someone wants to show muscles there is a lot of space on the other side where Alaska is.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #699 on:** July 11, 2023, 02:19 »

Quote from: Wilm on July 10, 2023, 16:53

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 10, 2023, 10:06
Quote from: Wilm on July 10, 2023, 05:16
As for the data of the killed Russian soldiers, a publication appeared today. According to the study, approx. 47,000 Russian soldiers have died.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/10/bring-out-your-dead
This is the data of the Russians, there is a lie. Do not believe what the Russians write.
Biden said that 100,000 Russians were liquidated in Bakhmut alone. And Bayhmut is only 10% of the front, if not less.
Those figures that I gave are still very much underestimated, you can multiply by 1.5 or 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzlXFYvqKiw

I don't believe anything because I have no idea what to believe.

I just wanted to express that different sources come to different numbers. How you can be sure that the figures you mentioned are correct or even significantly underestimated, as you write, I don't know either.

By the way, Dmitry Kobak is someone who has already uncovered Russia's embellished Corona statistics. According to his investigations, more than four times as many Russians died of corona than the Russian government's figures indicated.

I find it hard to believe that he would now have a scientific interest in whitewashing the numbers of deaths from the war.

If I were you, I would not believe the truth of all the pictures you publish here.

It is quite enough for the Russian trolls to cover the whole planet with countless untruths. We should not jump on this bandwagon!

What photos that I posted here cause you doubts?

I gave a link to Biden's speech. You do not trust the data of American intelligence? But for some reason you trust some Russian there.
I know that Ukraine collects statistics very carefully, because it is under the control of so many international organizations, as well as allies. In the statistics that Ukraine publishes only verified data, which far from everything falls into.
There is no opposition in Russia, I have already written this many times. Almost all Russians are for the Russian empire. And even if some kind of "good" Russian wants to do a casualty count, he will not be able to do it, because military losses in Russia are classified military information. What's more, Russians don't even count everything. They do not count how many of their prisoners died, they do not count the dead Ukrainian collaborators.
Do you know how they treat their wounded on the battlefield? The Russians don't give them any medical attention at all, and people who might have survived end up dying from minor wounds.

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