Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 131524 times)

Zero Talent · « **Reply #925 on:** July 27, 2023, 12:52 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 27, 2023, 11:02

For Ukraine, the best president is Mike Pence. Naturally, Ukraine is forced to work with Biden, but this does not mean that the Ukrainians are happy with him.
Zero Talent, I gave the facts, and you are engaged in pre-election political campaigning and anti-advertising of the Republicans. You have already decided everything for them.

Mike Pence has ZERO chances to be the GoP candidate, and less than ZERO chances to become president

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This is no pre-election campaign.

I am simply explaining you how things practically work in the US, and what is best for Ukraine today, from the US point of view.

You keep on dreaming the past, about hypothetical scenarios that will never happen, while you bury your head in the sand, avoiding to acknowledge that trump and MAGA are a real and present danger for Ukraine.
When you do that you are alienating your true friends and helping grow the so called "Ukraine fatigue".

stoker2014 · « **Reply #926 on:** July 27, 2023, 13:01 »

Olha Kharlan fenced with the future President Zelenskyy on a humorous program.

https://youtu.be/HLeiSMCOYEI?t=204

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #927 on:** July 27, 2023, 13:17 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 27, 2023, 12:52

When you do that you are alienating your true friends and helping grow the so called "Ukraine fatigue".

That's exactly my impression, too, which is why I've posted here occasionally.
Stoker does not only himself no favor with his contributions here, but ultimately also Ukraine.
Exactly for your mentioned reason.
I find this not quite harmless and hope that the range of this thread is not large.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #928 on:** July 27, 2023, 13:46 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on July 27, 2023, 11:10

The International Fencing Federation (FIE) decided to disqualify Ukrainian Olga Harlan after her victory over Russian athlete Anna Smirnova.

Physical touching (handshaking) must be consensual.

What is mind-blowing is that the head of the international fencing federation is a sanctioned russian oligarch, the former head of the russian fencing federation, Alisher Usmanov.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov

Annie2022 · « **Reply #929 on:** July 27, 2023, 16:35 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on July 27, 2023, 13:17

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 27, 2023, 12:52
When you do that you are alienating your true friends and helping grow the so called "Ukraine fatigue".

That's exactly my impression, too, which is why I've posted here occasionally.
Stoker does not only himself no favor with his contributions here, but ultimately also Ukraine.
Exactly for your mentioned reason.
I find this not quite harmless and hope that the range of this thread is not large.

I've had exactly the same problem and I thought it was just me. I have Polish/Ukrainian family on my mother's side, and I was always very concerned about what's happening in Ukraine - until now.

At first it was informative - until he got onto the fake news/political misinformation and attacking other countries and USA leaders without understanding the truth about what is really going on - and stubbornly refusing to let go.

This thread has been read over 25,000 times so maybe it is making a difference to others as well.

Lina · « **Reply #930 on:** July 27, 2023, 18:12 »

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Roscoe · « **Reply #931 on:** July 28, 2023, 01:16 »

Quote from: Annie on July 27, 2023, 16:35

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on July 27, 2023, 13:17
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 27, 2023, 12:52
When you do that you are alienating your true friends and helping grow the so called "Ukraine fatigue".

That's exactly my impression, too, which is why I've posted here occasionally.
Stoker does not only himself no favor with his contributions here, but ultimately also Ukraine.
Exactly for your mentioned reason.
I find this not quite harmless and hope that the range of this thread is not large.

I've had exactly the same problem and I thought it was just me. I have Polish/Ukrainian family on my mother's side, and I was always very concerned about what's happening in Ukraine - until now.

At first it was informative - until he got onto the fake news/political misinformation and attacking other countries and USA leaders without understanding the truth about what is really going on - and stubbornly refusing to let go.

This thread has been read over 25,000 times so maybe it is making a difference to others as well.

This is what war does Annie. It's not only a battlefield war, but also a media and online propaganda war with very biased reporting, and often also clear misinformation that only has one purpose: get people to hate the other side.

I'm sad too to see people who I sympathize with (Ukrainians in this case) spreading misinformation that often even looks like Russian propaganda. Propaganda meant to divide the west. It does more harm than good. But then I ask myself: what would I do when I am in the middle of a conflict like this, directly affected, confronted with an aggressor that bombs my country to pieces? Would I be able to keep a clear mind and see the nuances? Probably not.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #932 on:** July 28, 2023, 02:09 »

stoker2014 · « **Reply #933 on:** July 28, 2023, 02:31 »

Ukraine and Ukrainians will not take part in the US presidential elections and the election campaign. Ukraine will work with any US president. Good things were done during the Trump administration and good things were done during the Biden administration. But besides the good things, bad things were also done.
Ukraine will both thank and criticize any US president and any government in the EU, if there are grounds for this. Learn to take criticism and put pressure on your governments.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #934 on:** July 28, 2023, 03:41 »

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stoker2014 · « **Reply #935 on:** July 28, 2023, 14:05 »

Harlan suspension was lifted, and there will be no more handshakes in fencing.

https://www.repubblica.it/sport/vari/2023/07/28/news/olga_kharlan_ucraina_russia_mondiali_schermai-409270943/

stoker2014 · « **Reply #936 on:** July 30, 2023, 11:40 »

Olga Kharlan with the last blow brought Ukraine to the semi-finals of the World Fencing Championship. In the 1/4 finals, the Ukrainian team beat the US team with a score of 45:44. At the same time, it was Harlan who delivered the decisive blow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o68-JWtiWnc

Zero Talent · « **Reply #937 on:** July 30, 2023, 17:35 »

Speaking about "not mixing sports and politics": no such thing, sports and politics are more intertwined than anything, like it or not.

Those who are asking you to keep them apart, simply don't like your politics. On the other hand, they feel pride and are infused with overwhelming patriotism when their politics are promoted in sport.

Here is similar example, speaking volumes years after:

Wladyslaw Kozakiewicz was a Polish pole vaulter who competed during the 1970s and 1980s. His most famous moment came during the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow. In the final, Kozakiewicz was competing against the heavily favored Soviet athlete, Konstantin Volkov, in front of a hostile home crowd.

When Kozakiewicz cleared a height of 5.78 meters (18.9 ft), breaking the Olympic record, the Soviet crowd responded with boos and jeers. In response to the hostile atmosphere, Kozakiewicz raised his arm with a rude gesture known as the "Kozakiewicz gesture" towards the crowd. This gesture was seen as a defiant and bold response to the unsportsmanlike behavior of the crowd.

His gesture further fueled the tension and made him even more of a hero in Poland, while at the same time making him a target for criticism from the Soviet media and officials. After the Olympics, the Soviet ambassador to Poland demanded that Kozakiewicz be stripped of his medal over his "insult to the Soviet people". The official response of the Polish government was that the gesture had been an involuntary muscle spasm caused by his exertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras_d%27honneur

stoker2014 · « **Reply #938 on:** July 31, 2023, 03:48 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 30, 2023, 17:35

in front of a hostile home crowd.

The Russians have not changed, but they have become even more evil and turned into Na.zis and Rashists.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #939 on:** July 31, 2023, 04:54 »

Ukraine, Bakhmut. Video about the use of combat drones by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against Russian invaders.
English subtitles are included.
https://youtu.be/kbzsD_1caLc

stoker2014 · « **Reply #940 on:** August 01, 2023, 03:59 »

Ukraine and Ukrainians. The map shows the fair borders of Ukraine.

Photo from 1919. There is no Soviet Union yet, but there is Ukraine.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #941 on:** August 01, 2023, 04:58 »

https://youtu.be/jPESS43qiPE

Russians are being beaten in different countries of the world.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #942 on:** August 01, 2023, 07:01 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on August 01, 2023, 03:59

Ukraine and Ukrainians. The map shows the fair borders of Ukraine.

Photo from 1919. There is no Soviet Union yet, but there is Ukraine.

Be careful with that revisionist map!
It doesn't include Ukranian territories that use to belong to Romania, but now part of the Ukrainian internationally recognized borders (by Romania inclusive). These territories were seized by Stalin in 1940 and given to the soviet republic of Ukraine.
By promoting this map, are you saying that you want to give up the western part of Ukraine to extend it to the east?
I don't think so.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #943 on:** August 01, 2023, 08:24 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 01, 2023, 07:01

Be careful with that revisionist map!
It doesn't include Ukranian territories that use to belong to Romania, but now part of the Ukrainian internationally recognized borders (by Romania inclusive). These territories were seized by Stalin in 1940 and given to the soviet republic of Ukraine.
By promoting this map, are you saying that you want to give up the western part of Ukraine to extend it to the east?
I don't think so.

I think this map rather says that Crimea and Kuban are Ukrainian territory. On the map we see Lviv, which means that this map also takes into account those territories that at that time were under the occupation of Poland. The war for the independence of Ukraine was historically fought not only against the Russians.

In the context of the war with the Russian occupiers, this map is of great military importance. To ensure the security of Ukraine from Russian orcs and zombies from a military point of view, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must take control of the Kuban. This is obvious, and you also gave a map of the correct offensive. Historically, mostly Ukrainians lived on the territory of the Kuban.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #944 on:** August 01, 2023, 09:07 »

I understand what you are trying to say, but this is not helping you.
What matters is the internationally recognized Ukrainian borders of today (including Crimea, of course).
If you open that can of worms, if you start claiming territories inside the official russian borders, then Romania could also claim territories inside Ukraine, territories occupied and annexed by the soviet army in 1940, territories that historically belonged to Romania or Romanian principalities.
You would not like that, I'm sure.

Do yourself a favor and don't promote revisionist maps, anymore.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #945 on:** August 01, 2023, 09:21 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 01, 2023, 09:07

I understand what you are trying to say, but this is not helping you.
What matters is the internationally recognized Ukrainian borders of today, including Crimea.
If you open that can of worms, if you start claiming territories inside the official russian borders, then Romania could also claim territories inside Ukraine, territories occupied and annexed by the soviet army in 1940, territories that historically belonged to Romania or Romanian principalities.
You would not like that, I'm sure.

Do yourself a favor and don't promote revisionist maps, anymore.

You do not take everything into account, or rather, you argue at the level of 2021 and earlier. In 2022, everything has changed and the whole world has changed. I'm not saying that Ukraine should officially annex the territory of Russia. I'm talking about the fact that in the conditions of the war with Russia, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can enter any territory of Russia and take this territory under fire control in order to secure Ukraine. When there is a war, the laws and rules of war are completely different. Ukraine inflicts military strikes on the territory of Russia, this is the same thing. But if the Russian aggression against Ukraine stops, the Russians want to pay reparations, hand over all their war criminals, sign their capitulation, then naturally Ukraine will not continue to occupy the territories of Russia. But I will tell you that it is more likely that Russia will cease to exist as a country than it will stop its aggression against Ukraine. But when Russia ceases to exist, there may already be options here, for example, residents of the same Kuban may want to join Ukraine.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #946 on:** August 01, 2023, 09:30 »

I agree that it's justified to fight the russian occupiers and to strike inside their official territory, to cripple their logistics, and the support for the invasion.

That's a totally different story than the one you showed on that map.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #947 on:** August 01, 2023, 10:05 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 01, 2023, 09:30

I agree that it's justified to fight the russian occupiers and to strike inside their official territory, to cripple their logistics, and the support for the invasion.

That's a totally different story than the one you showed on that map.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine can not only strike at the territory of Russia, but also the Armed Forces of Ukraine can enter the territory of Russia and take control of those territories from which aggression against Ukraine is coming.
Well, the map simply shows where the Ukrainians have always lived. It's just a coincidence that, from a military point of view, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is advisable to enter the territory of the Kuban.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #948 on:** August 02, 2023, 07:24 »

Polish Defence Ministry confirms that Belarusian helicopters violated state border.

On Tuesday evening, the Polish Ministry of National Defence confirmed that two Belarusian helicopters violated Polish airspace.

Details: The Polish Defence Ministry claims that Polish airspace was violated by helicopters that carried out exercises near the border. Minsk previously informed Warsaw about these exercises.

"The border crossing took place near the city of Belovezha at a very low altitude, which made it difficult to detect it with radar systems. Therefore, this morning, the operational command of the Polish Armed Forces reported in a communique that Polish radar systems detected no violations of Polish airspace", the Ministry explained.

In response to the incident, Mariusz Błaszczak, Polish National Defence Minister, ordered an increase in the number of soldiers on the border and the deployment of additional forces and equipment, in particular combat helicopters.

Poland also informed NATO about the incident and decided to summon the Charge D'Affaires of Belarus to the Foreign Ministry to explain the incident.

"(...) Russia and Belarus have recently stepped up their hybrid actions against Poland. Taking into account possible further provocations, we call for responsible dissemination and comment on information that can be used by the Russian and Belarusian regimes," the statement concludes.

Mercenaries of the Wagner Group PMC have been moving from Russia to Belarus for some time; they moved there after an attempted mutiny in Russia. The Polish side has repeatedly stressed that the Wagnerites pose a threat to Poland, and reinforced the Belarusian-Polish border.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has announced the relocation of a group of mercenaries from the Wagner Group to the Suwałki Gap, which connects Poland with the Baltic States and also separates the territory of Russia's Kaliningrad Oblast and Belarus.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #949 on:** August 02, 2023, 07:29 »

Now I will explain what is happening, the Russians are starting a war against the EU and NATO countries. Poland made a big mistake by not shooting down these helicopters. Two helicopters could well have landed armed diversionists carrying explosives. There are no borders between the EU countries, and these saboteurs can reach any country, such as Germany, and commit diversion. Does NATO hide its head in the sand like an ostrich? The more NATO will talk about the world, the more Russian helicopters, planes and missiles will fly over NATO countries. Not so long ago, a Russian missile flew across the entire territory of Poland and fell, there was zero reaction from NATO. Before the arrival of the Republicans in the United States, another year and a half, during which time the Russians can have time to occupy half of the EU.
Is NATO a flock of ostriches or a military bloc?

Democrats! Give Ukraine fighter planes and missiles! Don't be ostriches!

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