Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 132691 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1425 on:** September 19, 2023, 11:09 »

Zero Talent, we are discussing only two parties. Democratic and Republican.
You are frightening that if the Republicans come to power, it will be worse for Ukraine. Yes, your horror stories may have a certain percentage of truth, this is called risks. I do not like and do not tolerate stagnation, double standards and trading on Ukrainian blood. The third world war is underway. And if the Democrats are not effective, what fool would support them? If the Republicans come and turn out to be worse than the Democrats, then they will not have support either.
But, I saw the foreign policy of the Republicans when Trump was president, I liked this policy more than the policy of the Democrats. You understand much of what the Republicans say very crudely and do not fully understand what they want to do. This is your problem.
If I were deciding who to give power to in the United States, I would have given power to the Republicans a year ago.

Republicans are willing and able to pursue a more comprehensive foreign policy than Democrats do. Republicans want not only the defeat of the Russians, but also a significant weakening of China. Only under Republican leadership can the democratic world defeat the Chinese dragon.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1426 on:** September 19, 2023, 11:14 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 19, 2023, 09:43

@stoker2014:

I believe that China will join NATO in a maximum of 20 years.

the only real problem is in fact Taiwan,this will slow down China's entry into NATO,otherwise it would have happened sooner.

China does not support Russia in the war against Ukraine,but it is also true that it has increased imports of oil and other resources from Russia,and some might think that it is supporting Russia economically but instead in my opinion it is an economic maneuver in view of the increase in prices of these resources.

It’s immediately obvious that you read little about geopolitics. Communist and totalitarian China will never join NATO. China is called the main threat to the United States and the world order. China not only trades with the Russians, it also supplies the Russians with weapons and supports the Russians in the UN.
The democratic world is already fighting a third world war with the Chinese dragon. This dragon has 3 heads (China, russia, Iran). The dragon also has 2 front hands (DPRK, Belarus). So, in order to kill a dragon, it is not enough to chop off just one Russian head.
This is all educational, and you need to read more about China and the threat it poses to the democratic world.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1427 on:** September 19, 2023, 11:23 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 19, 2023, 09:54

Quote from: zastavkin on September 19, 2023, 09:37
Quote from: Zero Talent on September 19, 2023, 09:21
That's easy.
Tell ....
Maybe you can try to tell it yourself and you’ll do better?

He is not my dear leader, but he is yours.
So it's not up to me. It's up you and the other russians to tell him, one way or another, to stop the war and withdraw his troops.

And you should do something about it, before having the audacity to ask for peace, while your fellow russians are still invading, looting and destroying an independent country and killing so many innocent civilians.

This Rashist and Russian troll cannot even answer the question whose Crimea is. And you want him to rebel against his tsar.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1428 on:** September 19, 2023, 11:28 »

It is necessary to change the international name of the country "Russia". The word russia has been stolen from the history of Ukraine. Initially there was a state called Kievan Rus'. Ukraine is the legal successor of Kievan Rus'. The word "Russia" was invented by the Russians after the occupation of Ukrainian territory by stealing it from the name of the state Kievan Rus'.
Therefore, the international name of the Russian empire should not be Russia, but Rosia.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1429 on:** September 19, 2023, 11:37 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 19, 2023, 11:09

Zero Talent, we are discussing only two parties. Democratic and Republican.
You are frightening that if the Republicans come to power, it will be worse for Ukraine. Yes, your horror stories may have a certain percentage of truth, this is called risks. I do not like and do not tolerate stagnation, double standards and trading on Ukrainian blood. The third world war is underway. And if the Democrats are not effective, what fool would support them? If the Republicans come and turn out to be worse than the Democrats, then they will not have support either.
But, I saw the foreign policy of the Republicans when Trump was president, I liked this policy more than the policy of the Democrats. You understand much of what the Republicans say very crudely and do not fully understand what they want to do. This is your problem.
If I were deciding who to give power to in the United States, I would have given power to the Republicans a year ago.

Republicans are willing and able to pursue a more comprehensive foreign policy than Democrats do. Republicans want not only the defeat of the Russians, but also a significant weakening of China. Only under Republican leadership can the democratic world defeat the Chinese dragon.

A lot of words, but you still have not named the parties:

Which party has always voted unanimously to support Ukraine, and which party is relentlessly attempting to stop all aid, by trying to get anti-Ukraine bills passed in the Congress?

Here is the a speech from a few moments ago:

https://youtu.be/zPitEXBh06s

Rest assured that you will never get this from trump nor any other maga republican!

Injustice for all · « **Reply #1430 on:** September 19, 2023, 13:53 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 19, 2023, 11:14

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 19, 2023, 09:43
@stoker2014:

I believe that China will join NATO in a maximum of 20 years.

the only real problem is in fact Taiwan,this will slow down China's entry into NATO,otherwise it would have happened sooner.

China does not support Russia in the war against Ukraine,but it is also true that it has increased imports of oil and other resources from Russia,and some might think that it is supporting Russia economically but instead in my opinion it is an economic maneuver in view of the increase in prices of these resources.
It’s immediately obvious that you read little about geopolitics. Communist and totalitarian China will never join NATO. China is called the main threat to the United States and the world order. China not only trades with the Russians, it also supplies the Russians with weapons and supports the Russians in the UN.
The democratic world is already fighting a third world war with the Chinese dragon. This dragon has 3 heads (China, russia, Iran). The dragon also has 2 front hands (DPRK, Belarus). So, in order to kill a dragon, it is not enough to chop off just one Russian head.
This is all educational, and you need to read more about China and the threat it poses to the democratic world.

yes all this is what has happened up to now,even if China has never openly supported Russia,it has limited itself to making declarations on the expansion of NATO to the East.

in my opinion for China,Russia is more a problem than anything else,and it certainly does not support Western policy too,
China needs to maintain good relations with Russia due to its geographical and consequently commercial position.

the point is NATO's expansion plan to the east,which in the end will inevitably also involve China.

Putin's government will soon end,times are changing,NATO will continue to expand,it is now an unbeatable superpower,neither China nor anyone can now openly challenge NATO,not even the three allied dragon heads can do anything against NATO anymore,they know it too.

The consequence of all this is inevitable,I see a not too distant future in which China will join NATO after other Asian countries will join first.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1431 on:** September 19, 2023, 14:46 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 19, 2023, 11:37

A lot of words, but you still have not named the parties:

Which party has always voted unanimously to support Ukraine, and which party is relentlessly attempting to stop all aid, by trying to get anti-Ukraine bills passed in the Congress?

Here is the a speech from a few moments ago:

https://youtu.be/zPitEXBh06s

Rest assured that you will never get this from trump nor any other maga republican!

We've already talked about this. You are passing off a small group of Republicans as the entire Republican Party. Yes, there are different people in the Republican Party, perhaps this adds votes to the party in elections. But these people are very few. Also, not only Republicans, but also Democrats vote in Congress. Democrats can only talk and vote. When the Republicans take power, this will be enough from the Democrats.

As for Biden at the UN, it’s a beautiful song and Biden sings it well. Is this enough for you? But this is not enough for Ukrainians. In the line of fire, Ukraine needs tanks, aircraft, missiles, a lot of shells and a lot of sanctions against the Russians.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1432 on:** September 19, 2023, 14:59 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 19, 2023, 13:53

the point is NATO's expansion plan to the east,which in the end will inevitably also involve China.

Putin's government will soon end,times are changing,NATO will continue to expand,it is now an unbeatable superpower,neither China nor anyone can now openly challenge NATO,not even the three allied dragon heads can do anything against NATO anymore,they know it too.

The consequence of all this is inevitable,I see a not too distant future in which China will join NATO after other Asian countries will join first.

You write illusions, the reality is completely different.
The third world war is underway, and it is not known how it will end. Especially when the Democrats are in power in the United States.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1433 on:** September 19, 2023, 15:07 »

Today, a rather manipulative article was published in "The New York Times", which says that a Ukrainian rocket fell on Kostiantynivka. By the way, its author is Thomas Gibbons-Neff, who has repeatedly been seen promoting the Russian narrative. This is already the fourth article of the journalist in "The New York Times", where he tries to discredit Ukraine and the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Previously, he wrote that Ukraine uses cluster munitions in populated areas, stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces trade tanks and artillery, and also accused American volunteers who help Ukraine of wastefulness.

The journalist has already been deprived of the press card of the Armed Forces of Ukraine twice for violating the rules of work in combat areas.

More information here:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/19/7420459/

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It is a shame that a newspaper like the New York Times publishes articles paid for by Russians or publishes authors who work for Russian terrorists.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1434 on:** September 19, 2023, 15:49 »

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1435 on:** September 20, 2023, 02:26 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 19, 2023, 15:49

If trump returns to power, today's 32% will become a solid majority. They will dictate the policies in Congress and in the White House. And then you will kiss goodbye to all US aid for Ukraine.

Be careful what you wish for!

Where did you get this 32%? Did you count it yourself?
Even if this is so, 100-32 = 70% (approximately), then 70% + all the democrats you like so much = Ukraine will continue to have the support of the United States. It's simple.
And what kind of US assistance do you constantly write about? Do you mean money? Ukraine needs weapons on the battlefield. And the Democrats practically do not provide weapons, especially those that are needed.
Once again, do not forget that Congress consists of 2 parties, regardless of the election results.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1436 on:** September 20, 2023, 02:29 »

Zelenskyy: russia is a terrorist state, it has no right to possess nuclear weapons.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1437 on:** September 20, 2023, 02:33 »

Volodymyr Zelensky's speech at UN General Assembly (full text)

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3763502-volodymyr-zelenskys-speech-at-un-general-assembly-full-text.html

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1438 on:** September 20, 2023, 06:23 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 20, 2023, 02:26

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 19, 2023, 15:49
If trump returns to power, today's 32% will become a solid majority. They will dictate the policies in Congress and in the White House. And then you will kiss goodbye to all US aid for Ukraine.

Be careful what you wish for!
Where did you get this 32%? Did you count it yourself?
Even if this is so, 100-32 = 70% (approximately), then 70% + all the democrats you like so much = Ukraine will continue to have the support of the United States. It's simple.
And what kind of US assistance do you constantly write about? Do you mean money? Ukraine needs weapons on the battlefield. And the Democrats practically do not provide weapons, especially those that are needed.
Once again, do not forget that Congress consists of 2 parties, regardless of the election results.

You can even say I was conservative:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) put forth one amendment to strike $300 million in Ukraine funding that failed 89-341, with 130 Republicans joining all Democrats in voting against it.

Another proposal from Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), which would have prohibited all security assistance for Ukraine, similarly failed 70-358 on the House floor, with 149 Republicans opposing it.

89 × 100/(89+130) = 40.6% of Republicans
70 x 100/(70 + 149) = 31.9% of Republicans

+ many of those who voted against those shamefull republican initiatives will retire or be replaced by maga/trump loyalists (like the ones who initiated those bills), once trump wins the nomination.

The United States has provided the most military aid to Ukraine during the russo-Ukrainian War.
Congress has approved $113 billion in aid for Ukraine since the war began on February 24, 2022. This averages to $223 million per day or $6.8 billion per month.
The United States has provided the most military aid to Ukraine. The European Union and its countries have provided the most total aid, which includes military, financial, and humanitarian aid.

In case you didn't realize $113 billions is close to two times the total Ukraine budget for 2022.

You can kiss that goodbye when your maga loyalists will seize power.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1439 on:** September 20, 2023, 07:27 »

"Each decade Russia starts a new war. Parts of Moldova and Georgia remain occupied. Russia turned Syria into ruins. And if not Russia, the chemical weapons would have never been used there, in Syria.

Russia has almost swallowed Belarus. It is obviously threatening Kazakhstan and other Baltic states. And the goal of the present war against Ukraine is to turn our lands, our people, our lives, our resources into a weapon against you." - President Zelenskyy at the UN General Assembly.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1704211657293967392

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1440 on:** September 20, 2023, 07:39 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 20, 2023, 06:23

In case you didn't realize $113 billions is close to two times the total Ukraine budget for 2022.

You can kiss that goodbye when your maga loyalists will seize power.

I don’t know what kind of money this is and where it even went. This money is definitely not needed on the battlefield. Democrats do not provide Ukraine with the necessary weapons and in the required quantity. These are the facts. Republicans may not give Ukraine money, but there is hope that they will give the necessary weapons. This is understandable and this is clear. The policies of the Democrats lead to the fact that Ukraine will be slowly and painfully destroyed.
Are you looking at the situation at the front? Do you see that the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot advance normally? Ukraine is using World War I tactics because the democrats do not give weapons to Ukraine..
Putin’s agents like Elon Musk are already writing that Ukraine is liberating very little territory and that there is no need to give it weapons. A Russian troll here on the forum triumphantly publishes an article posted by Russians in the New York Times in which Ukraine is accused of killing its own citizens. These are all the results of Democratic rule.

$113 billion, come to Ukraine on the battlefield and you are unlikely to find a soldier who can tell you what kind of money it is and where it was spent.
Yes, some weapons of course arrived, not many, but they arrived, but these weapons do not solve anything. Ukraine needs aviation and long- and medium-range missiles and a lot of shells, tanks and artillery. Democrats are not giving Ukraine all this.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1441 on:** September 20, 2023, 07:43 »

Zero Talent, Ukraine has no other choice but to hope for the Republicans to come to power. With Democrats in power in the US, Ukraine will be destroyed by the Russians.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1442 on:** September 20, 2023, 07:50 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 20, 2023, 06:23

89 × 100/(89+130) = 40.6% of Republicans
70 x 100/(70 + 149) = 31.9% of Republicans

Not all of these 89 and 70 Republicans are against Ukraine and for russia. Some of them believe that the EU should give money or that Ukraine should report on the allocated money or an audit should be carried out. Therefore your math is not accurate and incorrect. And as I already wrote, Ukraine does not need money, but weapons, which the cowardly democrats do not want to give.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1443 on:** September 20, 2023, 09:14 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 20, 2023, 07:43

Zero Talent, Ukraine has no other choice but to hope for the Republicans to come to power. With Democrats in power in the US, Ukraine will be destroyed by the Russians.

Ir's ironic that both you and putin are rooting for trump to return to power...

russian president vladimir putin recently said he was "happy" to hear Trump's promise to "resolve all burning issues within several days" — including the war in Ukraine.

Think about it.

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 20, 2023, 07:50

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 20, 2023, 06:23
89 × 100/(89+130) = 40.6% of Republicans
70 x 100/(70 + 149) = 31.9% of Republicans
Not all of these 89 and 70 Republicans are against Ukraine and for russia. Some of them believe that the EU should give money or that Ukraine should report on the allocated money or an audit should be carried out. Therefore your math is not accurate and incorrect. And as I already wrote, Ukraine does not need money, but weapons, which the cowardly democrats do not want to give.

Oooh... but they are... they are isolationists... and their number is growing and will become a majority under trump.

... and it's the other way around:

The United States has provided the most military aid to Ukraine. The European Union and its countries have provided the most total aid, which includes military, financial, and humanitarian aid.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1444 on:** September 20, 2023, 09:36 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 20, 2023, 09:14

Ir's ironic that both you and putin are rooting for trump to return to power...

russian president vladimir putin recently said he was "happy" to hear Trump's promise to "resolve all burning issues within several days" — including the war in Ukraine.

Think about it.

putin is an agent of the KGB, relying on what he says publicly is the wrong path. I have seen the Republican policy under Trump, it is more comprehensive and strategically correct than the Democratic policy.

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 20, 2023, 09:14

The United States has provided the most military aid to Ukraine.

Yes, the EU provides very few weapons. And compared to the EU, the US probably looks better. But this is a dead end conversation. I have already written many times about what Ukraine needs.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1445 on:** September 20, 2023, 09:42 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 20, 2023, 07:50

Ukraine does not need money, but weapons, which the cowardly democrats do not want to give.

Here is a comprehensive list of the military aid provided and planned to be provided to Ukraine by the US government:

Tanks
31 M1A1 Abrams [To be delivered]
45 T-72B tanks (manufactured by Excalibur Army, purchase and upgrade financed by USA) [delivered from December 2022 onwards]

Infantry fighting vehicles
186 M2A2 ODS Bradleys [Delivered from April 2023 onwards]

Armoured personnel carriers
300 M113s [Delivered from July 2022 onwards]
300 armoured medical treatment vehicles [To be delivered]
250 M1117 ASVs [To be delivered]
157 Strykers [Delivered from March 2023 onwards]

Command vehicles
4 Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles [February 2023]
10 command post vehicles

Mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles
440 International M1224 MaxxPro [Delivered from July or August 2022 onwards]
37 Cougars [February 2023]
Oshkosh M-ATVs [March 2023]
289 Unknown MRAPs [To be delivered. 108 pledged in January 2023, 181 more pledged in February 2023]
190 MRAPs to the Ukrainian Border Guard Service [To be delivered]

Infantry mobility vehicles
2,000+ Humvees [Delivered from April 2022 onwards]
100+ Light Tactical Vehicles [To be delivered]

Other vehicles
68 trucks and 124 trailers to transport heavy equipment
6 armored utility trucks
100 armored medical treatment vehicles
89 heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers
8 logistics support vehicles

Towed artillery
180 155mm M777 howitzers [Delivered from April 2022 onwards]
72 105mm Howitzers [To be delivered]

Self-propelled artillery
18 155mm “Paladin” M109A6s [May 2023]

Multiple rocket launchers
20 227mm HIMARS [June 2022] (further 18 to be delivered)

Surface-to-air missile systems
8 NASAMS Batteries [Delivered from November 2022 onwards]
2+ MIM-23 Hawk firing units [February 2023]

Unknown number of MIM-23 Hawk Phase III missiles and missile systems [To be delivered] (US buying back after Taiwan decommissioned the system in June 2023)
20 AN/TWQ-1 Avengers [Delivered from December 2022 onwards]
1 Patriot Battery [April 2023]

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
9 Counter Unmanned Aerial Systems (c-UAS) gun trucks [To be delivered]

Man-portable air defense systems
Over 2,000 Stinger anti-aircraft systems

Anti-tank missiles
Over 10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems.
Over 80,000 other anti-armor systems and munitions.
Over 7,000 Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles.

Other missiles
2 AGM-84 Harpoon (Launcher and an unknown number of missiles) [July 2022]
Precision-Guided Munitions (PGMs) [July or August 2022] (Fired from MiG-29 and Su-27 fighter aircraft)
AGM-88 HARMs [Delivered from July or August 2022 onwards] (Fired from MiG-29 fighter aircraft)
Laser-Guided Rockets (Believed to be APKWS) [Delivered from April 2022 onwards]
RIM-7 missiles for air defense [To be delivered] (For use by Ukrainian Buk SAM systems).
Over 6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets.
Over 20,000 Hydra 70 aircraft rockets.
ADM-160 MALD decoy missiles [May 2023].
AIM-7 and AIM-9M missiles for air defence.

Electronic warfare equipment
Electronic jamming equipment [May or June 2022]
Vampire counter-unmanned aerial systems [To be delivered]

Helicopters
20 Mi-17V5s (originally destined for Afghanistan) [Delivered from April 2022 onwards]

Drones
100 Switchblade 300 kamikaze drones [April 2022]
10 Switchblade 600 kamikaze drones [To be delivered]
300 Switchblade kamikaze drones of unknown type [Delivered from April 2022 onwards]
1,801 Phoenix Ghosts [To be delivered]
RQ-20 Pumas [April 2022]
15 Boeing Insitu ScanEagles [To be delivered]
Jump 20 reconnaissance UAVs [To be delivered]
Altius-600 reconnaissance UAVs [To be delivered]
CyberLux K8 reconnaissance UAVs [To be delivered]
Penguins reconnaissance UAVs [To be delivered]

Radars
26 AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder weapon-locating radars [Delivered from April 2022 onwards]
AN/TPQ-37 weapons locating radars [Before April 2023]
4 AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel air surveillance radars [April 2022 onwards; 4 more pledged in February 2023]
Over 70 counter-artillery and counter-mortar radars [At least 4 delivered from April 2022 onwards]
20 Multi-mission radars [To be delivered]

Engineering equipment
M58 Mine clearing line charge [Delivered before October 2022]
22 M1089A1P2 and M984A4 HEMTT [Delivered around October 2022]
8 M88A2 Hercules [Delivered around October 2022]
6 Unspecified tactical recovery vehicles [Delivered by February 2023]
300+ tactical vehicles to tow weapons
71 tactical vehicles to recover equipment
30 ammunition support vehicles [To be delivered along with M109 artillery]
18 armored bridging systems

Ships and underwater vehicles
16 Mark VI patrol boats [17 June 2020]
10 Dauntless Sea Ark Patrol Boats [Delivered from September or October 2022 onwards]
2 Small unit riverine craft (SURC) [To be delivered]
6 40-foot riverine patrol boats [To be delivered]
Unmanned Coastal Defence Vessels (USVs) [To be delivered]
40 Armoured riverine boats [To be delivered]

Mortars
47 120mm mortar systems
10 82mm mortar systems
122 81mm mortar systems;
58 60mm mortar systems;
Over 35,000 grenade launchers and small arms;

Ammunition
Over 2,000,000 155mm artillery rounds
Over 7,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds
Over 14,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems
100,000 rounds of 125mm tank ammunition
200,000 152mm artillery rounds
40,000 130mm artillery rounds
40,000 122mm artillery rounds
60,000 122mm GRAD rockets
500,000 105mm artillery rounds
10,000 203mm artillery rounds
Over 400,000 mortar rounds
Over 1,800,000 rounds of 25mm ammunition
Over 300,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions
C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing

Military gear
Over 100,000 sets of body armor and helmets
Explosive ordnance disposal equipment and protective gear
Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment
Cold weather gear

Miscellaneous equipment
Obstacle emplacement equipment;
Tactical secure communications systems
Four satellite communications antennas
SATCOM terminals and services
Thousands of night vision devices, surveillance systems, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders
Commercial satellite imagery services
Over 350 generators
Medical supplies to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment;
Field equipment and spare parts
An industrial 3D printer for producing components and repairing military equipment.

You're welcome!

zastavkin · « **Reply #1446 on:** September 20, 2023, 10:33 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 19, 2023, 11:23

This Rashist and Russian troll cannot even answer the question whose Crimea is. And you want him to rebel against his tsar.

You've gone too far with your insults, CIPSO agent. The troll acting according to the SBU (successor of the Ukrainian branch of the Soviet KGB) guidelines is just you. And you’re mad because I come here to expose your constant fakes.
I repeat: Until February 15, 2023, I see no mention of War in your forum posts. But from that moment hate propaganda suddenly poured out of you. Propaganda in which the truth is mixed with fakes. Why such strong and sudden changes after a year of war? It is "highly likely" that you got a new job in CIPSO (Center for Information and Psychological Operations) troll factory and now you are brainwashing the readers of this forum. You deny the obvious, you call everyone who has a different opinion from the liar Zelensky an agent of Putin and present everything in black and white. Am I right, Keyboard CIPSO Warrior?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1447 on:** September 20, 2023, 11:20 »

How to wage the financial war against Russia’s economy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/17/russia-sanctions-oil-cap-economy/

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1448 on:** September 20, 2023, 11:28 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on September 20, 2023, 09:42

Tanks
31 M1A1 Abrams [To be delivered]
45 T-72B tanks (manufactured by Excalibur Army, purchase and upgrade financed by USA) [delivered from December 2022 onwards]

It's not serious at all. Google how many tanks Russian terrorists have.
Everything else is only partially delivered. But even if it is delivered, it will all be only to somehow hold the defense, but not to attack!
Where are aviation and missiles on the list? Ukraine needs a lot more tanks. Ukraine needs at least 300 thousand shells every month.
Why look at this list, just look at how difficult and slow the Ukrainian Armed Forces are advancing, because there is no aviation, no missiles. It is not the tanks that cover the infantry, but the infantry that goes ahead of the tanks so that the tanks do not get blown up by mines. There is no equipment for mine clearance. There is no air support to protect tanks.

Lizard · « **Reply #1449 on:** September 20, 2023, 18:58 »

Morawiecki officially stated that the times Poland was sending arms to Ukraine are now gone and the role of Poland and transit country is deeply under question. Also they are planning to stop all financial support for Ukrainian refugees.

Polish ministry of foreign affairs called Ukrainian ambassador for a talk after Clownsky UN speech.

It's more and more clear that the clown literary destroyed his nation serving as puppet that pulled his people in the middle of imperialist world domination game.

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