I always write that there are no good Russians, there are only orcs, thieves and murderers.
But although I�ll clarify, there may be hope of finding 1% of good Russians. I even know a few people.

 
Zaluzhny visits soldiers defending Avdiyivka

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3776202-zaluzhny-visits-soldiers-defending-avdiyivka.html

 

Ukraine has finally not only officially received, but successfully used ATACMS. How will these missiles change the situation on the frontlines?

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3776079-atacms-hits-hard-and-is-extremely-difficult-to-intercept.html

That's part of your nationalistic propaganda. It's understandable. It happens in other countries too. There are 4 or 5 countries claiming Tesla. 

The fact is that only his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian. Chekhov was 1 quarter Ukrainian and 3 quarters russian.

But it doesn't even matter. The very fact that he wrote in russian makes him part of the russian culture.
You can't cancel Checkov, you can't cancel Tolstoi, just because they are part of the russian culture.

Things are different with living artists who, after kissing putin's hand and endorsed his murderous policies, have the audacity to demand to perform on western stages.
These artists are part of putin's propaganda and they deserve to be stopped from spreading it.

But not Checkov. Not Tolstoi.

1. Chekhov. 2. Tolstoy.
You need to write in English correctly.

2. "That's part of your nationalistic propaganda. It's understandable. It happens in other countries too. There are 4 or 5 countries claiming Tesla.  "

You began to defend Russian occupiers and thieves.

3. "The fact is that only his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian. Chekhov was 1 quarter Ukrainian and 3 quarters russian."

I wrote to you information that I know. You are writing information that you probably came up with yourself.

4. "But it doesn't even matter. The very fact that he wrote in russian makes him part of the russian culture."

No it doesn't. You again support Russian Naz.is, orcs and occupiers.
Only a Ukrainian could write what Chekhov wrote and what you admire now. Russian writers by blood could not write this. Russians are orcs who can only worship their tsar.

5. "You can't cancel Checkov, you can't cancel Tolstoi, just because they are part of the russian culture."

I wrote that Chekhov was a Ukrainian, born on Ukrainian lands, spoke Ukrainian, but he wrote his works in Russian. Everything that Chekhov wrote belongs to the cultural heritage of Ukraine.

As for Tolstoy, here I agree, he is the Russian who glorified the army of Russian murderers and occupiers.

6. "Things are different with living artists who, after kissing putin's hand and endorsed his murderous policies, have the audacity to demand to perform on western stages.
These artists are part of putin's propaganda and they deserve to be stopped from spreading it."

They are Russians, it�s simple.

Two astronauts are flying on a rocket to unknown galaxies. They have already flown almost half way. Suddenly one asks the other: �Testimony?�. That answers: �15!�. The first one asks with pretension: �What, 15?�. And the second one asks: �And what, testimony?�. They looked at each other in bewilderment, and each thought: �I�m lucky to fly into space with a dumbass person,� and the rocket continued to rush further.

Quote from: Zero Talent on October 20, 2023, 07:52

That's part of your nationalistic propaganda. It's understandable. It happens in other countries too. There are 4 or 5 countries claiming Tesla. 

The fact is that only his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian. Chekhov was 1 quarter Ukrainian and 3 quarters russian.

But it doesn't even matter. The very fact that he wrote in russian makes him part of the russian culture.
You can't cancel Checkov, you can't cancel Tolstoi, just because they are part of the russian culture.

Things are different with living artists who, after kissing putin's hand and endorsed his murderous policies, have the audacity to demand to perform on western stages.
These artists are part of putin's propaganda and they deserve to be stopped from spreading it.

But not Checkov. Not Tolstoi.

1. Chekhov. 2. Tolstoy.
You need to write in English correctly.

2. "That's part of your nationalistic propaganda. It's understandable. It happens in other countries too. There are 4 or 5 countries claiming Tesla.  "

You began to defend Russian occupiers and thieves.

3. "The fact is that only his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian. Chekhov was 1 quarter Ukrainian and 3 quarters russian."

I wrote to you information that I know. You are writing information that you probably came up with yourself.

4. "But it doesn't even matter. The very fact that he wrote in russian makes him part of the russian culture."

No it doesn't. You again support Russian Naz.is, orcs and occupiers.
Only a Ukrainian could write what Chekhov wrote and what you admire now. Russian writers by blood could not write this. Russians are orcs who can only worship their tsar.

5. "You can't cancel Checkov, you can't cancel Tolstoi, just because they are part of the russian culture."

I wrote that Chekhov was a Ukrainian, born on Ukrainian lands, spoke Ukrainian, but he wrote his works in Russian. Everything that Chekhov wrote belongs to the cultural heritage of Ukraine.

I don't deny that he may have spoken Ukrainian, since his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian, as I already mentioned above.
It's likely that if his paternal grandmother lived in the same house, she may have taught her grandson to speak her language. Very normal in many mixed families.

But his other 3 grandparents were russians. That makes Chekhov () only 1-quarter Ukrainian.
Based on that quarter, you may try to claim him as part of Ukrainian culture, but he is undeniably part of the russian culture, and he shouldn't be canceled because of that. He has nothing to do with putin.

About Taganrog, Chekhov's birthplace:
Founded in 1690, by Peter the Great, on land seized from the Ottomans (initially as a military base), Taganrog was one of russia's first planned cities.
Then it remained russian, until the collapse of the russian empire in 1917. After the soviet victory, it became part of the newly formed Ukrainian SSR.
In 1924, it was transferred back to the russian SFSR.

So that land was under Ukrainian rule for only a few years.
Chekhov was already dead for at least 13 years when his birthplace fell under Ukrainian rule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taganrog

I understand that your nationalist propaganda is claiming territories beyond natural borders, dreaming about a "Greater Ukraine".
Again, it's not only a Ukrainian syndrome.
Many nationalists in other countries (see for example russia  ) have the habit of claiming territories belonging to other countries, under all kinds of fabricated ideological or mythical reasons.

I'm afraid you must revise some of your information, polluted by too much nationalist propaganda.

Chekhov's grand-father, Egor was born in Olkhovatka in the russian Voronezh province, where his father (Chekhov great-grand father) was a serf.
Chekhovs are traceable in this region to the sixteenth century

Egor was also a serf when Pavel (Chekhov father) was born on the same estate, Olkhovatka in the russian Voronezh province, and not in the Ukrainian Vilkhovatka, Poltava province, as you claim.
See the map below.

He managed to buyout his freedom and the freedom of his family, including his son's Pavel and move to become a serf master on an estate north of Taganrog (see the town history in my other post, above), where our Anton was born.

Anton's maternal line was similar, and Tambov province, where the family came from, was as archetypically russian as neighbouring Voronezh.

As I said before, only his paternal grandmother (Efrosinia Emelianovna) was Ukrainian (from Kyiv), making our Chekhov only 1-quarter Ukrainian.

Recommended reading:
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/rayfield-chekhov.html

If a certain percentage of Ukrainians live in a area, it doesn't make that area Ukrainian. Ethnic spreads across borders are pretty common.

Look at your own map: since when was Moldova Ukrainian? It had similar percentages of ethnic Ukrainians as Voronezh oblast.
And... be careful now... similar if not more Ukrainians than Crimea! You can't have it both ways.
Ukraine People's Republic had very ambitious territorial claims:



Can't you see how blinded you are by your own hyper-nationalism including the "Greater Ukraine" narative? 

Be aware that you only get a pass, because your country has been invaded by an evil colonial imperialist power led by a paranoid dictator. In normal circumstances this attitude would be very much frowned upon.

The percentage of Ukrainians living makes the territory Ukrainian. This is an axiom.

No, it doesn't. There are Ukrainians in the US (two very nice Ukrainians installed my AC this summer). The fact that Ukrainians live in the US, doesn't make the USA Ukrainian.
You are not aware of many issues. That's not a problem. The problem is that you are not ready to listen and learn.

You can't apply your logic to Voronezh oblast, claiming it was Ukrainian, because a certain Ukrainian minority lived there, and not apply it to Moldova or any other neighbor of Ukraine, where Ukrainians live.
That's exactly what putin is trying to do, by claiming that russia is wherever russians live, through his "russkiy mir" ideology. 

About Checkov, there are no traces stating that his parents and his other 3 grandfathers were Ukrainians, except for his paternal grandmother.
The only reference to his Ukrainian ancestry is in relation to his paternal grandmother. That's it. That makes him 1-quarter Ukrainian.

"Chekhov's paternal grandmother Efrosinia Emelianovna, whom her grandchildren saw even less, for she rarely left the farm, was Ukrainian. All the loud laughter and singing, the fury and joy that Chekhov associated with Ukrainians, had been beaten out of her. She was as surly as her husband, with whom she lived fifty-eight years before her death in 1878"

Ukrainians may have also lived in Taganrog, nobody is denying that, but so did Greeks, Germans, etc..
The Greeks constituted a large part of the city population. It didn't make Taganrog neither Greek nor Ukrainian.

"Taganrog had imperial status and a cosmopolitan population that made it more of a colonial capital than a provincial city. Visually, it was striking: a decrepit military harbour and a thriving civil port at the foot of a promontory jutting into the shallow Sea of Azov; half a dozen avenues, lined with Greek merchants' houses, punctuated with Russian government buildings, radiating northeast from the tip of land towards the steppes. You might have thought you were in a dusty city of Thrace, until you reached the wooden shanty town of the Russian suburbs"

The city was Ukranian for a few years only, after the collapse of the russian empire, well after Chekhov died. Before that, that place was russian, Ottoman, Tartar/Mongolic, Hunic, Alanic, Greek...

You probably personally really want Chekhov to be a Russian author. 
Don�t you want to read Ukrainian authors?

No, I don't want him to be anything different than he was. He was 3 quarters russian and 1 quarter Ukrainian, and that's a fact. We can't change that no matter what you or I want.

FYI, I read books by Ukrainian authors, who wrote in russian, like Ilf & Petrov (The Twelve  Chairs + The Golden Calf) and Bulgakov (The Master and Margarita)

But also books by Chekhov, Tolstoy, and Dostoevsky, russian authors who shouldn't be canceled because of putin's madness, as said by that German minister before your nationalist diatribe began.

Let's summarize. Russian culture and Russian cultural centers should be banned in all civilized countries. But some of the Ukrainian authors whom the Russians stole from the Ukraine must be left behind. The list of these authors, painters and composers will be provided by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine.

I have already written about Russian cultural centers; these are cells of KGB agents.
Any Russian culture is promoted in other countries with the aim of promoting the Russian empire, crimes and justification of genocide.

Quote from: stoker2014 on October 22, 2023, 02:27

"Bulgakov (The Master and Margarita)"
This is a shame for Ukraine. It is not read in Ukraine. Only Russian orcs read it. He is a traitor of the Ukrainian literature.

What? That's a great book! The whole world is reading it.

It looks like you don't only want to cancel russian authors who have nothing to do with putin, but you want to cancel Ukrainian authors too? Why? How did he offend your beliefs?
Bulgakov was understandably censored in the soviet union, why is he still censored in modern, democratic Ukraine?
Book burning much?
Unbelievable!

It's not about a specific book, although it's about that too. You've probably only read one of his books. In general, all his work is pro-Russian, he supported the Russian empire, Russian soldiers and had a bad attitude towards Ukrainians and the Ukrainian language, ridiculed the Ukrainian language.
In the USSR it was censored only for political reasons. He supported the wrong Russians. You know that there was a revolution in the Russian empire, and this empire was divided into 2 types of soldiers. He supported the wrong soldiers who won. As for Ukraine, all Russian soldiers are orcs, occupiers, terrorists and murderers.
And you don�t need to blame me personally for your surprise, I wrote to you how Ukrainians treat him.