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« Reply #2425 on: February 11, 2024, 03:40 »
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havent bakery being shoot in Lysychansk,  on teritory occupied by Russians last week?! In total, 28 dead civilians

 https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/03/russian-says-11-killed-in-ukrainian-shelling-of-bakery-in-lysychansk
1. Everything the Russians say is lies, disinformation and propaganda.
2. Any publication that quotes Russians also spreads Russian propaganda.
3. Russian Na.zis will never allow international commissions to conduct investigations into the territory they occupied and into the territory of russia itself.

There is little information about this city. Ukraine does not control this occupied city. The Russians report 3 liquidated occupiers. There can be many options:
1. The Russians liquidated them themselves and blame the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
2. They were liquidated by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. But taking into account the disinformation and propaganda spread by the Russians, Ukraine does not comment on this operation.
3. The Russians shelled the restaurant with artillery and blamed the Ukrainian Armed Forces (they have been doing this for 10 years in all occupied territories).

I can only assume that the Ukrainian Armed Forces liquidated 3 occupiers, and there are no 28 killed civilians. There are no photos of the dead anywhere.
The Ukrainian media wrote about this briefly:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/5/7440435/

As for the territory of Ukraine, any independent observers and commissions come to Ukraine and gain access to crimes committed by Russians. Ukraine does not hide anything and does not lie.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 03:43 by stoker2014 »



« Reply #2427 on: February 11, 2024, 04:32 »
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68203541.amp

https://www.euronews.com/2024/02/04/at-least-28-dead-after-bakery-shelled-in-russian-occupied-ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-appointed-official-says-ukraine-shells-bakery-occupied-eastern-ukraine-2024-02-03/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-03/russia-ukraine-war-officials-claim-ukraine-bombed-bakery-in-occupied-region

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-lysychansk-bakery-shelling-war-61ce6fc809bd73ac0fa994e8b7e84286#:~:text=Email-,Ukrainian%20shelling%20killed%20at%20least%2028%20people%20at%20a%20bakery,%2C%20Moscow%2Dinstalled%20officials%20said.
1. If you repeat a lie 1000 times, does it become true?
2. For what purpose do the world media controlled by democrats quote Russian propaganda and lies?
3. Where do you see at least 1 killed civilian in the photo?
4. If the world media believes the Russians so much, why dont they create a commission to investigate and go to the city occupied by the Russians? It is clear that the Russians will not let anyone in and will not show the bodies of the 28 killed (which are not there). But all these democratic media are afraid to send their journalists to the occupied territory.

Of course, the safest thing to do is to quote Russian lies and blame Ukraine, which the Russians are destroying every day.
This all looks disgusting and cynical. Journalists from all these media outlets are cowardly dogs. Who bark at the one who is weaker, and quote the one who is stronger..

Fuck the Democrats!
__________

If Western media are spreading Russian propaganda, why are democratic countries helping Ukraine? Believe what the Russians say, believe putin. Do not supply weapons to Ukraine, do not give money to Ukraine, expel all Ukrainian refugees. It was Ukraine that started the war with russia, according to the Russians. What else are the Russians saying? There are a lot of Na.zis in Ukraine, which means we need to kill Ukrainians. Open Russian newspapers and you will read a lot of things that you personally like.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 04:44 by stoker2014 »

« Reply #2428 on: February 11, 2024, 04:42 »
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I will explain why Ukraine lost this information war. Because the Russians announced 28 civilians killed. If Ukraine starts telling the truth, the Russians will catch these 28 people on the streets and kill them. Therefore, Ukraine maintains silence and tries to prevent a possible crime.
The same applies to the plane that was shot down by the Ukrainian Armed Forces a few weeks ago. There were no Ukrainian prisoners on the plane, but it was better to remain silent than to receive photographs of dozens of corpses.

« Reply #2429 on: February 11, 2024, 04:49 »
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trucic, I apologize for my emotional speech. I have no complaints against you, you help support this topic. And its very good that you asked questions.

« Reply #2430 on: February 11, 2024, 04:59 »
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Im just saying that people are dying on both sides, in most cases civilians ukraine is totally devasted, depopulated and ruined as long as this operation or war lasts, your country heads to non-returning point simply, there are no winners - just killed people and ruined cities

« Reply #2431 on: February 11, 2024, 05:00 »
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CNN
 
Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do whatever . they want to any NATO member country that doesnt meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

NATO was busted until I came along, Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. I said, Everybodys gonna pay. They said, Well, if we dont pay, are you still going to protect us? I said, Absolutely not. They couldnt believe the answer.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

 ;D :o ::) 8) :-\

« Reply #2432 on: February 11, 2024, 05:04 »
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Im just saying that people are dying on both sides, in most cases civilians ukraine is totally devasted, depopulated and ruined as long as this operation or war lasts, your country heads to non-returning point simply, there are no winners - just killed people and ruined cities
Yes, there is a war and Ukrainians are dying. But if you read the story about the 3 Holodomors that the Russians committed in the 20th century in Ukraine, you will understand that if Ukraine is occupied, there will be even more victims.
Ukrainians do not want to be left without a country, without the Ukrainian language, culture, and history. Ukrainians do not want to live in Nazi russia, they do not want to be slaves like the Russians, they do not want to sit in prisons, concentration camps and be deported to the north of russia.

« Reply #2433 on: February 11, 2024, 05:47 »
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Regarding the speech of the future US President Trump.
I recommend that EU countries increase military assistance to Ukraine several times, as well as supply the necessary weapons. These are aircraft, missiles, tanks. If the Russians occupy Ukraine and approach the borders of the EU, the cost of war in the EU will begin to be measured in trillions of euros. Also, many EU countries will be occupied, or there will be war on their territory.
Therefore, it is better to eliminate the Russian army in Ukraine than to wait until it approaches the EU borders.

« Reply #2434 on: February 11, 2024, 10:17 »
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it seems that Chasiv Yar have fallen

« Reply #2435 on: February 11, 2024, 17:41 »
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CNN
 
Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do whatever . they want to any NATO member country that doesnt meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

NATO was busted until I came along, Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. I said, Everybodys gonna pay. They said, Well, if we dont pay, are you still going to protect us? I said, Absolutely not. They couldnt believe the answer.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

 ;D :o ::) 8) :-\

Yeah, the moron said he will not be helping our NATO allies and even letting them be invaded by russia, because of some accounting issues. He'd even "encourage" russia "to do whatever the h.e.l.l. they want."
A clear message to his buddy putin.

And you keep believing that he will help Ukraine, who never contributed anything to NATO funds, to repel putin's army?
 
What a sad delusion!
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 17:49 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #2436 on: February 11, 2024, 17:52 »
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I would like to repeat that again. If this happens - and I assume that it will - the European NATO states will be very concerned about their own armaments, which would not be good for Ukraine.
What's more, NATO would then possibly have a different self-definition and orientation. We will see.

But the fact remains: Putin will open a bottle of Crimean champagne if Trump wins and celebrate properly!

« Reply #2437 on: February 12, 2024, 03:40 »
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it seems that Chasiv Yar have fallen
No.

« Reply #2438 on: February 12, 2024, 03:42 »
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CNN
 
Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do whatever . they want to any NATO member country that doesnt meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

NATO was busted until I came along, Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. I said, Everybodys gonna pay. They said, Well, if we dont pay, are you still going to protect us? I said, Absolutely not. They couldnt believe the answer.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

 ;D :o ::) 8) :-\

Yeah, the moron said he will not be helping our NATO allies and even letting them be invaded by russia, because of some accounting issues. He'd even "encourage" russia "to do whatever the h.e.l.l. they want."
A clear message to his buddy putin.

And you keep believing that he will help Ukraine, who never contributed anything to NATO funds, to repel putin's army?
 
What a sad delusion!
Trump says everything correctly. How else to talk to the euro parasites?
He didnt say anything about Ukraine. Therefore, these are just your fantasies. More precisely, he said that he did not want to give money for nothing. No problem. The main thing is that he provides the necessary weapons.
Trump is an evil cop, I already wrote.
 ;D

« Reply #2439 on: February 12, 2024, 03:47 »
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I would like to repeat that again. If this happens - and I assume that it will - the European NATO states will be very concerned about their own armaments, which would not be good for Ukraine.
What's more, NATO would then possibly have a different self-definition and orientation. We will see.

But the fact remains: Putin will open a bottle of Crimean champagne if Trump wins and celebrate properly!
KGB agent Putin can reveal anything on TV cameras. Any actions of the KGB are disinformation, lies and propaganda. The KGB is the same as the Gestapo.

You are not a military man, so your reasoning is incorrect. The main task of the military is not to sign the Russian army of marauders, Asians and murderers to the borders of the EU. Military men think strategically. Nobody wants military actions to take place on the territory of Germany, for example, or Poland or Moldova.
And yes, Trump will put a lot of pressure on the euro parasites. Get ready for big expenses both for the NATO fund and for the supply of weapons to the front in Ukraine.

« Reply #2440 on: February 12, 2024, 04:31 »
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as long as democrats are on presidenrial position, Ukraine can expect to have support for resisting Russain occupation but if Trump wins, be sure that war in aukraine will be his latest concern he is a businessman, at first if he can and if Ukraine have money to pay for it, he will for sure sell old weapon supplies to anyone who desperatelly needs them that will activate internal needs for new weapons, made in the USA

« Reply #2441 on: February 12, 2024, 08:11 »
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CNN
 
Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do whatever . they want to any NATO member country that doesnt meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

NATO was busted until I came along, Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. I said, Everybodys gonna pay. They said, Well, if we dont pay, are you still going to protect us? I said, Absolutely not. They couldnt believe the answer.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

 ;D :o ::) 8) :-\

Yeah, the moron said he will not be helping our NATO allies and even letting them be invaded by russia, because of some accounting issues. He'd even "encourage" russia "to do whatever the h.e.l.l. they want."
A clear message to his buddy putin.

And you keep believing that he will help Ukraine, who never contributed anything to NATO funds, to repel putin's army?
 
What a sad delusion!
Trump says everything correctly. How else to talk to the euro parasites?
He didnt say anything about Ukraine. Therefore, these are just your fantasies. More precisely, he said that he did not want to give money for nothing. No problem. The main thing is that he provides the necessary weapons.
Trump is an evil cop, I already wrote.
 ;D

What a sad delusion!

He will let his allies to be invaded by his buddy putin, but he will help Ukraine to repel putin!
You know... because logic.  ::)

« Reply #2442 on: February 12, 2024, 10:03 »
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Near Moscow, before the "Skiing of russia" marathon, Russians lined up at the start with the letter Z.

https://t.me/voynareal/83652

Russians are a nation of Na.zis, orcs and slaves.

« Reply #2443 on: February 12, 2024, 10:08 »
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Patriarch Kirill and putin were ridiculed at the carnival in Germany.



 ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #2444 on: February 12, 2024, 10:17 »
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Elimination of Russian orcs with the help of a Ukrainian anti-tank missile system.

https://t.me/operativnoZSU/136061

 8) 8) 8)


« Reply #2445 on: February 12, 2024, 10:19 »
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trucic, Zero Talent. Everything will be OK. Trump says everything correctly. I would say exactly the same.
 ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #2446 on: February 12, 2024, 11:59 »
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Avdiivka cauldron is almost formed and after that important routes to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk are very exposedeith Chasiv Yar in Russian hands, coming of spring leads to new destructions

« Reply #2447 on: February 12, 2024, 12:22 »
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Avdiivka cauldron is almost formed and after that important routes to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk are very exposedeith Chasiv Yar in Russian hands, coming of spring leads to new destructions
Do you read Russian news?

1. Chasiv Yar is under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. There are no Russians there.
2. There are battles for the city of Avdiivka. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already changed the commander-in-chief. Reinforcements have been sent to Avdiivka.
3. Even if the Ukrainian Armed Forces withdraw from Avdiivka, the defense line is prepared.
4. Slovyansk and Kramatorsk are not in danger yet.

But of course the Ukrainian Armed Forces need weapons. Lots of weapons. The goal is not defense, but offense.

« Reply #2448 on: February 12, 2024, 14:56 »
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trucic, Zero Talent. Everything will be OK. Trump says everything correctly. I would say exactly the same.
 ;D ;D ;D

Of course. Since you both share the same infantile behavior and lack of logic, there's no doubt about it.

« Reply #2449 on: February 12, 2024, 15:06 »
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what about tsar train protection line?! Two thousand wagons..?!


 

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