Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 133634 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2450 on:** February 12, 2024, 15:36 »

Quote from: trucic on February 12, 2024, 15:06

… what about tsar train protection line…?! Two thousand wagons..?!

The Russians have already made defense lines from some kind of “dragon teeth”. Those teeth didn't help them.
These 2000 railway carriages are not very long compared to the entire length of the front. They are defensive in nature. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces will advance, which is only possible with a sufficient number of weapons, these railway carriages will fly in all directions. Or the Ukrainian Armed Forces will outflank them.
But an offensive requires aviation, missiles, and tanks.

Wilm · « **Reply #2451 on:** February 12, 2024, 15:55 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 12, 2024, 03:47

Quote from: Wilm on February 11, 2024, 17:52
I would like to repeat that again. If this happens - and I assume that it will - the European NATO states will be very concerned about their own armaments, which would not be good for Ukraine.
What's more, NATO would then possibly have a different self-definition and orientation. We will see.

But the fact remains: Putin will open a bottle of Crimean champagne if Trump wins and celebrate properly!

And yes, Trump will put a lot of pressure on the euro parasites. Get ready for big expenses both for the NATO fund and for the supply of weapons to the front in Ukraine.

"Get ready for big expenses."

You know what? Your parastite comments are really getting on my nerves!

We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

And if Trump comes to power, what I have already written will happen: We will be forced to worry about our own defense and no longer about Ukraine's.
At the same time, Trump's America First policy will lead to him imposing toll tariffs on European products. Germany lives very much on exports. This means that we will have to accept significant economic losses. There will be even more money missing - there will be less left over for Ukraine.

And if Trump does not like to support his existing NATO allies, he will be even like less to support Ukraine. As you already wrote: He didn't even mention Ukraine. He simply doesn't care. The only thing he is interested is is America first.

That's exactly the scenario you want???!!!! You will wake up one day and ask yourself how you came up with the idea of wishing for this. You don't seriously believe that Trump will attack Russia, do you?

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #2452 on:** February 12, 2024, 17:28 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55

You know what? Your parastite comments are really getting on my nerves!

We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

Wilm, these discussions with this guy no longer make sense.
We've all tried that.
You'd be better off explaining to a sandwich that it should go jogging every day for health reasons.

Wilm · « **Reply #2453 on:** February 12, 2024, 17:32 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 12, 2024, 17:28

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55

You know what? Your parastite comments are really getting on my nerves!

We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

Wilm, these discussions with this guy no longer make sense.
We've all tried that.
You'd be better off explaining to a sandwich that it should go jogging every day for health reasons.

Ja, you're right! Talking to a square meter of wallpaper is similarly pointless!

trucic · « **Reply #2454 on:** February 12, 2024, 19:56 »

…. Zelenskyy have just declared general mobilization…?! That explains why Zhaluzny have been removed… he knew something and was resisting to participate in such a thing…

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #2455 on:** February 12, 2024, 23:12 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55

He simply doesn't care. The only thing he is interested is is America first.

The only thing that nasty piece of garbage cares about is himself first. He would destroy Ukraine, the U.S. or even his own family if he thought it would help his own self. I don't know what exactly Putin has over him but Orange Jesus is acting as a Russian asset to further Putin's goals in the world. The sooner that nasty scumbag is in jail the better and safer the world will be for all of us. Hopefully he and Putin will both get what they deserve.

trucic · « **Reply #2456 on:** February 13, 2024, 00:25 »

“ In war, the state gives cannons, the rich give livestock, & the poor give their sons! And no one gives peace and wisdom. At the end of the war, the state takes cannons, the rich take livestock, and the poor look for their son's graves."

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2457 on:** February 13, 2024, 05:26 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55

We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

When the Russians approach the EU borders or enter Poland, you will be spending trillions of euros.
All the money you give to Ukrainians remains in your country and in the EU. This money works for the EU economy. Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.
And I didn’t personally call you a parasite.

I'm talking about your politicians and big business.

I have already answered the rest of your misconceptions on the previous page, please re-read.

It is your parasitic politicians and friends of the Russians who decided that Ukraine should only be given artillery shells and make sure that in the 21st century Ukraine wages war using the methods of the First World War. I also already wrote about this. They are idiots! If Ukraine were given aviation, 500-2000 km missiles and tanks, the shell consumption would be 10 times less. In modern warfare, everything is decided by aircraft and missiles.
I'm not even talking about the fact that you send a lot of weapons for export, and not to Ukraine.
Obviously you really want to see Russian tanks on the streets of your cities.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2458 on:** February 13, 2024, 05:28 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on February 12, 2024, 23:12

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55
He simply doesn't care. The only thing he is interested is is America first.

The only thing that nasty piece of garbage cares about is himself first. He would destroy Ukraine, the U.S. or even his own family if he thought it would help his own self. I don't know what exactly Putin has over him but Orange Jesus is acting as a Russian asset to further Putin's goals in the world. The sooner that nasty scumbag is in jail the better and safer the world will be for all of us. Hopefully he and Putin will both get what they deserve.

I don't agree. Biden needs to be put in prison, and not only in prison, but also in the electric chair. The US Democratic Party needs to be banned.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2459 on:** February 13, 2024, 05:34 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 12, 2024, 17:28

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55

You know what? Your parastite comments are really getting on my nerves!

We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

Wilm, these discussions with this guy no longer make sense.
We've all tried that.
You'd be better off explaining to a sandwich that it should go jogging every day for health reasons.

Doctor, take some pills, you know which ones.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2460 on:** February 13, 2024, 05:49 »

I am against the fact that Ukrainians left as refugees for other countries. It is not necessary. There are a lot of safe places and territories in Ukraine.
Some people go not because they are afraid of war, but because the EU offers them cash benefits and housing. People want to improve their financial situation, take their children to the EU, and give them a better education there. Some want to marry a foreigner and obtain citizenship.
In the Ukrainian press I read about stories where in EU countries their children are taken from mothers and given to other families. In this way, EU countries are trying to solve their demographic problems and problems with fertility.
Therefore, if you are Germans, you think that I will thank you for accepting refugees, you are mistaken. I won't thank you for that.

Big Toe · « **Reply #2461 on:** February 13, 2024, 12:26 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:26

Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.

Is Russia Today the source of these statistics?

Wilm · « **Reply #2462 on:** February 13, 2024, 12:38 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:26

Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55
We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.
And I didn’t personally call you a parasite. I'm talking about your politicians and big business.

Nonsense!

I have no idea where you get this information from, but it's total nonsense.

Wilm · « **Reply #2463 on:** February 13, 2024, 12:40 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:49

I am against the fact that Ukrainians left as refugees for other countries. It is not necessary. There are a lot of safe places and territories in Ukraine.
Some people go not because they are afraid of war, but because the EU offers them cash benefits and housing. People want to improve their financial situation, take their children to the EU, and give them a better education there. Some want to marry a foreigner and obtain citizenship.
In the Ukrainian press I read about stories where in EU countries their children are taken from mothers and given to other families. In this way, EU countries are trying to solve their demographic problems and problems with fertility.
Therefore, if you are Germans, you think that I will thank you for accepting refugees, you are mistaken. I won't thank you for that.

When I read statements like that, I wonder what kind of conspiracy bubble you're in right now!

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #2464 on:** February 13, 2024, 13:52 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:26

Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.

You have certainly seen white rabbits and Elvis running around in the statistics.

What a load of lying nonsense.

Let's have a few facts.

Ukraine's asylum seekers are not funded by the EU, but by the individual states.

There are currently 1.1 million Ukrainian asylum seekers living in Germany.

There are no reliable statistics on the costs in Germany. This is due to the fact that funding is provided by the federal states and the german government from various sources. In addition, Ukrainians are not treated as asylum seekers, but as long-term unemployed Germans.

The cost of healthcare cannot be estimated as well because Ukrainians, like all Germans, are members of the statutory healthcare system. Billing for treatment is carried out by the associations of statutory health insurance physicians (Kassenärztliche Vereinigung) and does not differentiate between Ukrainians and Germans.

Brief summary for the learning disabled: There are currently no reliable figures for the costs in Germany. The EU cannot provide any statistics because it is not involved in the financing.

But even if there were, here are more facts.

Of the 1.1 million Ukrainians, a quarter are under the age of 18. Of the rest, only around 30% work, mostly in mini-jobs from which no social security contributions or taxes are paid at all.

You have to be a pretty mathematical zero to assume that under these conditions there is a plus for Germany.

I'm a bit sorry that I'm slowly losing my net etiquette, but your constant insults, gutter language and spreading of lies are increasingly getting on my nerves.

Wilm · « **Reply #2465 on:** February 13, 2024, 14:04 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 13, 2024, 13:52

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:26

Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.

You have certainly seen white rabbits and Elvis running around in the statistics.

What a load of lying nonsense.

Let's have a few facts.

Ukraine's asylum seekers are not funded by the EU, but by the individual states.

There are currently 1.1 million Ukrainian asylum seekers living in Germany.

There are no reliable statistics on the costs in Germany. This is due to the fact that funding is provided by the federal states and the german government from various sources. In addition, Ukrainians are not treated as asylum seekers, but as long-term unemployed Germans.

The cost of healthcare cannot be estimated as well because Ukrainians, like all Germans, are members of the statutory healthcare system. Billing for treatment is carried out by the associations of statutory health insurance physicians (Kassenärztliche Vereinigung) and does not differentiate between Ukrainians and Germans.

Brief summary for the learning disabled: There are currently no reliable figures for the costs in Germany.

But even if there were, here are more facts.

Of the 1.1 million Ukrainians, a quarter are under the age of 18. Of the rest, only around 30% work, mostly in mini-jobs from which no social security contributions or taxes are paid at all.

You have to be a pretty mathematical zero to assume that under these conditions there is a plus for Germany.

I'm a bit sorry that I'm slowly losing my net etiquette, but your constant insults, gutter language and spreading of lies are increasingly getting on my nerves.

I agree with your statement 100%.
If required, I can provide more figures on the nonsense that stocker2014 is spreading here.

Wilm · « **Reply #2466 on:** February 13, 2024, 14:12 »

In general, I would like to say that this permanent statement that Russia as a country and the Russians as a people must be destroyed is an absolute absurdity.
Then Germany should also have been completely wiped out under H*.
What the Russians are doing today and what the Germans did back then is a catastrophe and cannot be excused by anything.

Nevertheless, I am very grateful that I am allowed to live today and that my ancestors were not completely wiped out.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #2467 on:** February 13, 2024, 14:28 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:28

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on February 12, 2024, 23:12
Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55
He simply doesn't care. The only thing he is interested is is America first.

The only thing that nasty piece of garbage cares about is himself first. He would destroy Ukraine, the U.S. or even his own family if he thought it would help his own self. I don't know what exactly Putin has over him but Orange Jesus is acting as a Russian asset to further Putin's goals in the world. The sooner that nasty scumbag is in jail the better and safer the world will be for all of us. Hopefully he and Putin will both get what they deserve.
I don't agree. Biden needs to be put in prison, and not only in prison, but also in the electric chair. The US Democratic Party needs to be banned.

Right, right, right... the Dems who just voted today with a massive 46 -2 majority in favor of Ukraine should be banned, while the republicans, with their 26-22 anti-Ukraine majority should be embraced!

stocker is living in a parallel universe where Ukraine's best interests, putin's dreams, and trump's stupidity are in sync!

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #2468 on:** February 13, 2024, 21:49 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:28

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on February 12, 2024, 23:12
Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55
He simply doesn't care. The only thing he is interested is is America first.

The only thing that nasty piece of garbage cares about is himself first. He would destroy Ukraine, the U.S. or even his own family if he thought it would help his own self. I don't know what exactly Putin has over him but Orange Jesus is acting as a Russian asset to further Putin's goals in the world. The sooner that nasty scumbag is in jail the better and safer the world will be for all of us. Hopefully he and Putin will both get what they deserve.
I don't agree. Biden needs to be put in prison, and not only in prison, but also in the electric chair. The US Democratic Party needs to be banned.

What on Earth could you possibly put Biden in prison for? The Republicans have been trying to impeach him for months, but despite wasting huge amounts of taxpayer money haven't come up with a single shred of evidence for any wrongdoing. The electric chair? Stop being ridiculous. If Biden had not been in the White House these past few years Putin would have been in Kyiv long ago. If Orange Jesus gets back in the White House Ukraine will become a vassal state of Russia very quickly. That is why Putin supports Trump so strongly and why he opposes the Democrats - he knows they are the ones standing in the way of his destroying Ukraine.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #2469 on:** February 13, 2024, 21:55 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:49

In the Ukrainian press I read about stories where in EU countries their children are taken from mothers and given to other families.

I don't know about the Ukrainian press but that sounds like Russian propaganda to me. The Russians have stolen Ukrainian children and given them away to families in Russia - this is well documented. I have never heard of anything like that in the EU and doubt that is true.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2470 on:** February 14, 2024, 04:35 »

Quote from: Big Toe on February 13, 2024, 12:26

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:26
Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.

Is Russia Today the source of these statistics?

No. I was talking about Poland. The source of statistics is Ukrainian media. I am sure that the situation is similar in other EU countries. Apart from Germany, the situation there is different. I will answer in my other posts.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2471 on:** February 14, 2024, 04:39 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 13, 2024, 12:38

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:26
Quote from: Wilm on February 12, 2024, 15:55
We're spending billions on Ukraine! And you insult us without ceasing! We hardly have any ammunition left because it's all going to Ukraine. We're spending a lot of money on Ukrainian refugees. Our population is starting to rebel because the money is missing everywhere.

Refugees also work and pay taxes. I saw the statistics, the amount of these taxes is no less than the aid that the EU pays to refugees.
And I didn’t personally call you a parasite. I'm talking about your politicians and big business.

Nonsense!

I have no idea where you get this information from, but it's total nonsense.

The EU consists of more than just one country called Germany. Don't judge EU countries based on Germany alone.
In Germany, 80% of refugees work illegally and therefore do not pay taxes. To legally work in Germany, you need good knowledge of the German language, an exam, and obtaining a license (which takes more than one year). In other countries everything is much simpler. In Poland, a Ukrainian can quickly register as a private entrepreneur, work legally and pay taxes.
In any case, your German money that you give to refugees remains in your country's economy.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2472 on:** February 14, 2024, 04:40 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 13, 2024, 12:40

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 13, 2024, 05:49
I am against the fact that Ukrainians left as refugees for other countries. It is not necessary. There are a lot of safe places and territories in Ukraine.
Some people go not because they are afraid of war, but because the EU offers them cash benefits and housing. People want to improve their financial situation, take their children to the EU, and give them a better education there. Some want to marry a foreigner and obtain citizenship.
In the Ukrainian press I read about stories where in EU countries their children are taken from mothers and given to other families. In this way, EU countries are trying to solve their demographic problems and problems with fertility.
Therefore, if you are Germans, you think that I will thank you for accepting refugees, you are mistaken. I won't thank you for that.

When I read statements like that, I wonder what kind of conspiracy bubble you're in right now!

Return Ukrainians to Ukraine! How are you better than the Russians? You solve your demographic problems at the expense of Ukrainians.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2473 on:** February 14, 2024, 04:41 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 13, 2024, 13:52

I'm a bit sorry that I'm slowly losing my net etiquette,

Therefore, I will not comment on what you write. There is also an ignore button.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #2474 on:** February 14, 2024, 04:51 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 13, 2024, 14:12

In general, I would like to say that this permanent statement that Russia as a country and the Russians as a people must be destroyed is an absolute absurdity.
Then Germany should also have been completely wiped out under H*.
What the Russians are doing today and what the Germans did back then is a catastrophe and cannot be excused by anything.

Nevertheless, I am very grateful that I am allowed to live today and that my ancestors were not completely wiped out.

1. I never wrote that all Russians should be eliminated.
2. Not all Germans were Na.zis. Yes, they write that Hitler had enormous support among the Germans. These are already questions of psychiatry. But I see the difference between the Germans and the Russian orcs.
3. You can write here why the Germans supported Na.z.ism so much and what percentage of Germans supported it.
4. Russia is not Germany. Russia is an empire within which peoples of other nationalities are subjected to genocide. Therefore, the Russian federation must be liquidated as a state. Russians by nationality are genetic slaves, orcs and zombies, they should be surrounded by an iron wall and be under the military control of democratic countries. Until they are reborn into people.
5. Yes, I see that you Germans sympathize with the Russians and are friends with them. For some reason you see that there is something in common between you. This will lead to the fact that Russian tanks will soon be driving around Berlin.
6. The USSR was no better than Na.zi Germany. And while Germany was able to change quickly, russia did not change.

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