Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 08:31

So Bulgakov is read in Ukraine after all

No.

First, you say that Bulgakov is not read in Ukraine because he is a "traitor."

But then you forget about it, and when confronted with your own words, you say, as a "representative" Ukrainian (another unfounded claim of yours), that you read Bulgakov because you have to know your "enemies."
Now you swallow your words again and say, once more, that Bulgakov is not read in Ukraine.

Right, right... he is not read in Ukraine, except by "representative" Ukrainians like you, because they have to know their "enemy".
Right, right...

You are so confused!

PS. It's disheartening to observe how individuals with IQs below 85 perpetually reside in the present moment. The past and future remain nebulous to them, rendering them incapable of formulating coherent, deterministic thoughts.

Zero Talent, I see no point in commenting on your trolling. Every day you strain yourself and try to squeeze out trolling. You already sound very funny and don't look smart.
I already wrote to you that I prefer constructive dialogue.
As for me personally, I also read Hitler in my time.

Bottom line, despite your denial, Ukrainians do read Bulgakov, and they even use his words to make a point.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 13:25

Ukrainians do read Bulgakov, and they even use his words to make a point.

Why did you decide so? I didn't say that. 

Read below 👇, but read carefully, and try to understand what a self proclaimed "representative" Ukrainian wrote a few hours ago;

2. I didn�t write that I personally haven�t read Bulgakov. You need to know your enemies, so I had to read.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 14:10

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 13:41

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 13:25

Ukrainians do read Bulgakov, and they even use his words to make a point.

Why did you decide so? I didn't say that. 

Read below 👇, but read carefully, and try to understand what a self proclaimed "representative" Ukrainian wrote a few hours ago;

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 07:50

2. I didn�t write that I personally haven�t read Bulgakov. You need to know your enemies, so I had to read.

Your logic is complete ravings. 
I recommend that you visit a psychiatrist. 

Individuals with an IQ below 85 have a hard time comprehending that a single counterexample is sufficient to prove that a statement or a conjecture is false, let alone when the counterexample is their own self.

Russians intensify attacks on Bakhmut front, with 36 combat clashes there � Ukraine's General Staff
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/10/7450522/index.amp

Are you happy about all the news you link to here?

Are you surprised that there are Ukrainians who hate the Russians?

Does it make sense to add fuel to the fire by posting all this?

I think that if your country was attacked and so many civilists were killed, you would detest such news from the other side.

I don't agree with a lot of what stocker2014 writes either. Especially not with his black and white thinking.

But Russia attacked Ukraine and not the other way around! That's why I also disagree with a large part of your posts!

� my country was attacked, bombarded and destroyed for months� and lot of civilians were killed� I do know what war is and hope you will never know� but, when some people force one side, in this case attacked one, while dehumanize other nation� that is something that bothers me� I�m sorry if have caused any inconvenience�

Bulgakov was born in Kiev and he wrote one of the most highly acclaimed books of the 20th century, The Master and Margarita. Am I missing something?

Interestingly though, as befitting this thread, he did have a very relevant quote:

There is no greater misfortune in the world than the loss of reason. ~ Mikhail Bulgakov

 

Bulgakov was mentioned earlier in this thread, and yesterday, stoker attributed him a quote describing russians in a negative way:
Not the people, but brute, boor, a wild horde, murderers and villains

Since he is renegaded by Ukrainians for his pro-russian and anti-Ukrainian stances, all this looked strange to me.
What was also strange is that on March 8th, I received a WhatsApp message containing exactly the same quotes and a few more. The message was forwarded multiple times, and it was not in English. Someone actually did a pretty good job with a translation for a different audience.

So I tried to search for the origin of Bulgakov's quote, but I didn't find it.
What I found was an article claiming that all quotes were made up or taken out of context.

Therefore, it is hard to know the truth, and this viral list may very well be a clever piece of propaganda.

This is why I would challenge our expert in russian literature to share the origin of those quotes�the book, newspaper article, etc.

Meanwhile, we should all take all of that with a grain of salt.

� write everything on paper and analyze it again� do not hurry with conclusions, because..  something went wrong�

Not the people, but brute, boor, a wild horde, murderers and villains

Yes, US Democratic trolls don't like to read the truth. You don�t agree with this phrase and the description of Russians?
This is not surprising, the democrat trolls deny reality and are friends of the Russian trolls.
 

 

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Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 23:12

Not the people, but brute, boor, a wild horde, murderers and villains

Yes, US Democratic trolls don't like to read the truth. You don�t agree with this phrase and the description of Russians?
This is not surprising, the democrat trolls deny reality and are friends of the Russian trolls.
 

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with the description.
It's about truth and logic.
It's about you being unable to grasp elementary logic.
It's about you being caught again with your pants down, in public.

I can't know for sure, but it is quite plausible that your list of quotes is fake, given the fact that it spreads in the same form in different languages across social media.
Whoever gave you that list disguised their opinions as quotes from famous Russian writers to make them seem more credible.

Bulgakov and others on that list never said what you, in your gullibility, attributed to them.

I can bet that you will be unable to show us the origin of their so-called "quotes" because they do not exist. They're most likely fake, made up, fake news, propaganda...

A bit of advice: If you can't think for yourself, stick to journalism from reputable sources. Don't post viral social media "news" unless you want to continue confirming your IQ level.

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 11, 2024, 03:41

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 23:12

Not the people, but brute, boor, a wild horde, murderers and villains

Yes, US Democratic trolls don't like to read the truth. You don�t agree with this phrase and the description of Russians?
This is not surprising, the democrat trolls deny reality and are friends of the Russian trolls.
 

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with the description.
It's about truth and logic.
It's about you being unable to grasp elementary logic.
It's about you being caught again with your pants down, in public.

I can't know for sure, but it is quite plausible that your list of quotes is fake, given the fact that it spreads in the same form in different languages across social media.
Whoever gave you that list disguised their opinions as quotes from famous Russian writers to make them seem more credible.

Bulgakov and others on that list never said what you, in your gullibility, attributed to them.

I can bet that you will be unable to show us the origin of their so-called "quotes" because they do not exist. They're most likely fake, made up, fake news, propaganda...

A bit of advice: If you can't think for yourself, stick to journalism from reputable sources. Don't post viral social media "news" unless you want to continue confirming your IQ level.

Your text meets all the requirements of Russian propaganda. This is exactly what all Russian putin trolls write. If the Russians are not paying you yet, contact them, you are losing money. Why are you working for Russian Na.zis for free?
 

Although perhaps the Democrats pay you well and have given you the task of defending Russian Na.zis.
You have no arguments, which means you are a troll.

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 11, 2024, 07:19

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 11, 2024, 03:41

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 10, 2024, 23:12

Not the people, but brute, boor, a wild horde, murderers and villains

Yes, US Democratic trolls don't like to read the truth. You don�t agree with this phrase and the description of Russians?
This is not surprising, the democrat trolls deny reality and are friends of the Russian trolls.
 

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with the description.
It's about truth and logic.
It's about you being unable to grasp elementary logic.
It's about you being caught again with your pants down, in public.

I can't know for sure, but it is quite plausible that your list of quotes is fake, given the fact that it spreads in the same form in different languages across social media.
Whoever gave you that list disguised their opinions as quotes from famous Russian writers to make them seem more credible.

Bulgakov and others on that list never said what you, in your gullibility, attributed to them.

I can bet that you will be unable to show us the origin of their so-called "quotes" because they do not exist. They're most likely fake, made up, fake news, propaganda...

A bit of advice: If you can't think for yourself, stick to journalism from reputable sources. Don't post viral social media "news" unless you want to continue confirming your IQ level.

Your text meets all the requirements of Russian propaganda. This is exactly what all Russian putin trolls write. If the Russians are not paying you yet, contact them, you are losing money. Why are you working for Russian Na.zis for free?
 

Although perhaps the Democrats pay you well and have given you the task of defending Russian Na.zis.
You have no arguments, which means you are a troll.

You can't show us the origin of these quotes because most likely they are made up. "Most likely", they are unnecessary, stupid propaganda.
As I said, I spent time trying to identify the source of these quotes, but I found nothing.
Since you seem to be the "expert" in such comparative russian literature essays, we need your help.

What you fail to comprehend is that Ukraine does not need fake news to prove that its struggle is justified.

All intelligent people understand that russia is an aggressive, imperial, colonial power invading an independent and sovereign country.

By posting fake news, you are insulting their intelligence and harming Ukraine's interests, in addition to making yourself look foolish.

Ukraine is on the right side of history and deserves to be helped and supported by the entire democratic world in its struggle to repel the brutal russian invasion. Fake news and propaganda lies spread by Ukrainians will only erode trust and act against their interests.