Zero Talent, you will not find this text in Ukrainian language.

I�ll give you the link right away on Lermontov:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell,_Unwashed_Russia

"In the 20th century, the poem received a rise in popularity.[14] A number of literary critics have expressed doubts about the authorship of the poem.[15][16][17][18] In 2017, an international round table dedicated to the issue of authorship was assembled, which included more than twenty leading Lermontovedians. As a result of the round table, a resolution was adopted that confirmed the authorship.[19][20][21]"
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I also want to say that Russian orcs will deny the involvement of their writers in such texts. But the behavior of Russians over the past few hundred years leaves no doubt that these statements are true.

This is why all of it is deceptive: a bit of truth sprinkled on a sea of lies to make them believable�straight from the propaganda playbook.

Dostoyevsky's quote is also taken out of context: Dostoyevsky critically reflects on the European view of russians. Below is the entire paragraph, which includes this mistranslated quote you published:
"The people who wander around Europe and are looking for what can be destroyed, destroyed just for the sake of entertainment".

For this, many Europeans look at us mockingly and haughtily: they don�t understand why we should be deniers in someone else�s business, they positively deprive us of the right of European negation - on the grounds that they do not recognize us as belonging to civilization.
They see in us rather barbarians, wandering around Europe and rejoicing that something, somewhere can be destroyed - to destroy only for the sake of destruction, for the pleasure of just watching how all this will fall apart, like a horde of savages, like the Huns, ready to rush into ancient Rome and destroy the shrine, without even any idea of ​​​​what treasure they are destroying

Please go ahead and try to provide examples of when and where Tolstoy, Bulgakov, Gorky, Turgenev, or Shmelov said what that propaganda list attributed to them.
I have strong doubts that you will be able to come up with anything.

Because that list is most likely fake, made-up, unnecessary propaganda targeting gullible people.

Statements by famous Russian writers and poets about the Russian people.

Alexey Nikolaevich Tolstoy, a Russian and Soviet writer, public figure from the Tolstoy family, said the following about his country:

Muscovy is the Rus' of the taiga, Mongolian, wild, bestial, - Alexei Tolstoy.


Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov - Russian poet, prose writer, playwright, artist wrote a very famous poem and here are the first lines that accurately describe the entire Russian people:

Farewell, unwashed Russia, Land of slaves, land of masters, - Lermontov

Michael Bulgakov

Mikhail Afanasyevich Bulgakov, a Russian writer of the Soviet period, playwright, theater director and actor, said the following:

Not the people, but brute, boor, a wild horde, murderers and villains - Mikhail Bulgakov.

Maksim Gorky

Maxim Gorky - Russian and Soviet writer, poet, prose writer, playwright, founder of the literature of socialist realism, wrote:

The most important sign of the success of the Russian people is their sadistic cruelty - Maxim Gorky

Turgenev

Ivan Sergeevich Turgenev - Russian realist writer, poet, publicist, playwright, prose writer, translator:

The Russian is the greatest and most insolent liar in the whole world - Ivan Turgenev.

Dostoevsky

Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky, a Russian writer, thinker, philosopher and publicist, said the most relevant words about the Russian people:

The people who wander around Europe and are looking for what can be destroyed, destroyed just for the sake of entertainment - Fyodor Dostoevsky.

Shmelev

Ivan Sergeevich Shmelev is a Russian writer, publicist, and Orthodox thinker. From the Moscow merchant family of the Shmelevs said:

Russians are a people who hate freedom, deify slavery, love shackles on their hands and feet, love their bloody despots, do not feel any beauty, are dirty physically and morally, have lived for centuries in darkness, obscurantism, and have not lifted a finger towards anything human , but always ready to enslave, to oppress everyone and everything, the whole world. This is not a people, but a historical curse of humanity - I.S. Shmelev.

Zero Talent!
1. You are not 100% sure that these quotes do not belong to these authors. So stop defending the Russians.
2. Similar quotes could have been written by the authors in personal correspondence. Usually such correspondence is published in a small edition. And I give you 100% that the KGB did everything to ensure that copies of this correspondence were destroyed. If someone has a copy of the correspondence, it is better for this person to remain silent so as not to become a target for liquidation by the KGB.
Therefore, be glad that this information is published on the Internet. And taking into account the fact that this information 100% correctly characterizes Russians, I am sure that Russian authors could also write this.

Wrong. I only defend the truth.
I am 100% behind Ukraine in its struggle to repel the unprovoked russian invasion.

I have donated my own money to Ukrainian causes, and I believe that all democratic countries, including the US, must do more to support Ukraine's attempt to recover its lost territories, including Crimea.

But Ukraine doesn't have to use propaganda to gather this support. It is counterproductive. The truth is enough.

As for these fake quotes, you can always post them as your personal opinion. I can definitely understand the anger, but please don't lie that they belong to those russian writers.

zero, where do you get your patience and above all your objectivity from? 

As you rightly said, this guy is constantly standing here with his pants down, embarrassing himself and doing Ukraine a great disservice.
At no point does he show any understanding or admitted a mistake, when things get tight, he gets insulting or personal.
For over a hundred pages I've only seen asocial behavior here, incapable of having a discussion at eye level.

Because I'm increasingly losing my own netiquette and objectivity in the face of all this nonsense and gutter language, which is in no way expedient, I've put the guy on "ignore" and left the discussion with him personally.

But thank you for your research and comments, which make it worthwhile to keep checking the thread.

� theme evolute into something totally parhological�

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 11, 2024, 12:41

Zero Talent!
1. You are not 100% sure that these quotes do not belong to these authors. So stop defending the Russians.

Of course, I can't be 100% sure because I haven't read all of these authors, and I could not find the above-mentioned quotes anywhere.

But neither did you, obviously. You have no proof that these quotes are real, and yet you have no problem publishing unverified information.

Once more, I am not defending the russians; I am defending the truth. You better do the same if you don't want to lose whatever is left of your credibility.

My advice: Stick to sources that can be verified, sources from reputable, trustworthy journalists, or restrict yourself to your own opinions without attributing them to someone else.

My donations go to Nova Ukraine: https://novaukraine.org/

My sources of information are normal. I read these authors, the writing style was followed. If you want to be a journalist, contact experts to show you paper media. Demanding on a forum so that you publications published 100 or more years ago is stupid and smacks of trolling in support of the Russians.
Your opinion of me doesn't matter to me. Thousands of people besides you are reading this topic, but you are the only one doing trolling.

novaukraine something small, I�ve never heard of it. The Pritula Foundation is a well-known and trusted organization in Ukraine.

KYIV � Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba wants the West�s extra, idle Patriot air defense batteries. And he�s not asking nicely anymore.

Kuleba said his team has identified more than 100 available Patriots � some neighboring countries have more than one battery guarding a port or airfield, he said. Zelensky has said Ukraine needs 26 to create a total air shield over Ukraine, but Kuleba is initially focused on obtaining seven as quickly as possible.

That would cover Ukraine�s largest cities and leave at least one free to be closer to the battlefield, where Russian aviation has been punishing Ukraine�s troops on the ground using guided bombs.

Kuleba said he �struggles to understand� the resistance from some countries to transferring at least one of their systems to Ukraine.

During a recent meeting in Brussels marking NATO�s 75th anniversary, Kuleba harshly told those in attendance: �I�m sorry to spoil the birthday party, but who can believe that the mightiest military alliance in the world cannot find seven batteries of Patriots to provide them to the only country in the world that is fighting ballistic attacks every day?�

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/10/ukraine-dmytro-kuleba-patriot-systems/
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Democrats, Biden and Europarasites - fuck you!

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 11, 2024, 13:57

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 11, 2024, 12:41

Zero Talent!
1. You are not 100% sure that these quotes do not belong to these authors. So stop defending the Russians.

Of course, I can't be 100% sure because I haven't read all of these authors, and I could not find the above-mentioned quotes anywhere.

But neither did you, obviously. You have no proof that these quotes are real, and yet you have no problem publishing unverified information.

Once more, I am not defending the russians; I am defending the truth. You better do the same if you don't want to lose whatever is left of your credibility.

My advice: Stick to sources that can be verified, sources from reputable, trustworthy journalists, or restrict yourself to your own opinions without attributing them to someone else.

My donations go to Nova Ukraine: https://novaukraine.org/

My sources of information are normal. I read these authors, the writing style was followed. If you want to be a journalist, contact experts to show you paper media. Demanding on a forum so that you publications published 100 or more years ago is stupid and smacks of trolling in support of the Russians.
Your opinion of me doesn't matter to me. Thousands of people besides you are reading this topic, but you are the only one doing trolling.

novaukraine something small, I�ve never heard of it. The Pritula Foundation is a well-known and trusted organization in Ukraine.

No, as I said, it is very likely that there are no such quotes.
If there were, many people, including yourself, would be able to reference them, especially in the case of a viral post like this.

Moreover, the post itself should have included the origin of the quotes; the fact that the reference doesn't exist should be the first clue that the information is not trustworthy.

Most of the books written by these authors are already digitized, translated, and probably free to access or download. Searching for these quotes should be a fairly simple job.

Since you clearly didn't compile this list, why don't you post a screenshot of the source you were provided with containing these quotes? That's the least you can do to salvage your credibility.

Zero Talent!
1. There cannot be public access to the works of authors.
2. Such works can be found on pirated sites, but Google does not search for them.
3. Not all of the authors� works have been translated into English, and many have not been translated or digitized.
4. Nobody digitizes letters from authors.
5. I do not give away my sources of information.
6. Your opinion about me does not interest me. It's enough that I consider you a troll.

And I already said that if the digitization is done by the Russians, it means under the control of the KGB, which means you won�t find such phrases on Russian sites. These phrases will be removed from the electronic text. Therefore, only a scanned copy of the original publication, which is more than 100 years old, can serve as proof.

Since you obviously don�t have access to scanned copies of the original work, it only means that even if you read books or letters published by these writers, you only read the version redacted by the KGB, which did not contain these quotes. So how can you say that these quotes were real?

As I said, a trustworthy author would have mentioned the original source below each one of those quotes to prove their authenticity.

But your �source� is very likely just a viral social media post that you fell for. You can't share it because it will only prove how gullible you are.

Don�t you see how you were caught again with your pants down in public?

Zero Talent!
1. There cannot be public access to the works of authors.
2. Such works can be found on pirated sites, but Google does not search for them.
3. Not all of the authors� works have been translated into English, and many have not been translated or digitized.
4. Nobody digitizes letters from authors.
5. I do not give away my sources of information.
6. Your opinion about me does not interest me. It's enough that I consider you a troll.

And I already said that if the digitization is done by the Russians, it means under the control of the KGB, which means you won�t find such phrases on Russian sites. These phrases will be removed from the electronic text. Therefore, only a scanned copy of the original publication, which is more than 100 years old, can serve as proof.

A quote for which you cannot provide a source is worthless. It proves nothing.

85% of quotes on the Internet are made up. - Abraham Lincoln

Going with this rule, some of the quotes on your list may even be true. The best lies have a grain of truth in them.

Zero Talent!

5. I do not give away my sources of information.

That is a lie! Once again. And absolutely obvious to everyone.

You constantly reveal sources and show them publicly. If you have or know the sources. Every reader here can see and verify that. And thus, as so often before, make up their own mind about all your posts.

If you are caught making or spreading unverified propaganda, you are making excuses and talking nonsense. When you get caught making demonstrably false claims, you get insulting. You are not one whit better than any Russian propaganda machine.

You are a very poor, narcissistic person. And, as I have written so often, also someone who is very damaging to Ukraine's reputation. You'd better keep your mouth shut if you really want to help the Ukraine!

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 11, 2024, 12:20

Wrong. I only defend the truth.
I am 100% behind Ukraine in its struggle to repel the unprovoked russian invasion.

I have donated my own money to Ukrainian causes, and I believe that all democratic countries, including the US, must do more to support Ukraine's attempt to recover its lost territories, including Crimea.

But Ukraine doesn't have to use propaganda to gather this support. It is counterproductive. The truth is enough.

As for these fake quotes, you can always post them as your personal opinion. I can definitely understand the anger, but please don't lie that they belong to those russian writers.

zero, where do you get your patience and above all your objectivity from? 

I was thinking the same thing! He must be hitting his head on his desk from frustration.