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« on: April 09, 2009, 16:12 »
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Happy Easter! Chag Pesach sameach! Enjoy the season, celebrate, eat well, but don't forget the real meaning behind these dates!

Regards,
Adelaide


« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2009, 16:17 »
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Joyous charoset!

« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2009, 17:31 »
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Don't forget to hide the afikomen.

batman

« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2009, 17:46 »
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Happy Easter! Chag Pesach sameach! Enjoy the season, celebrate, eat well, but don't forget the real meaning behind these dates!

Regards,
Adelaide

  chega ! vc tambem Adelaidinha muitos abracos!  8)

« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2009, 18:34 »
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I pray that everyone had a wonderful Passover/Pesach.  With the sun about to set in a few minutes, it was a wonderful day of rest for me and my family.

tan510jomast

« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2009, 20:47 »
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isso ,mais perto chega...
 FELIZ PASCOA GENTE
nao esquecemos nao Madelaide ! o que e que Deus dar somente filho O Salvador
HAPPY EASTER TO ALL
 
« Last Edit: April 09, 2009, 20:52 by tan510jomast »

« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2009, 21:35 »
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but don't forget the real meaning behind these dates!

The real meaning, for us pagan infidels, is that the spring/fertility/reborn nature rites is one of those festival events that has been hijacked by christianity, just like Xmas.  ;D
Ever thought where the easter bunnies, rabbit, the little chicken and the eggs come from?

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This holiday has been celebrated every spring all over the world in an unbroken tradition going back to many centuries before Jsus was even born, and thus cannot have had any original connection to him.

Easter was originally (and still is) a celebration of the fertility of the earth, renewed each springtime. The egg, the chick, the rabbit, the flowers, are all fertility symbols (and much older than the Christian symbol of the resurrected god). Its celebration has often been marked by sexual exuberance, as is still prominent in the pre-Lenten Carneval and Mardi Gras festivals and the phallic symbolism of the May pole and the cross.

Long before Jsus, many peoples associated this festival with the coming back to life of the god of fertility (Tammuz - see Ezek 8:14, Adonis, Osiris, Perseus, Orpheus), who had been dead in the underworld during the winter. Even the name by which Christians still celebrate the festival (Easter) is a corruption of the name of the ancient fertility goddess Ishtar or Ashtoreth (whose name also survives in the name of one of the books of the Old Testament, the only Bible book that contains no reference to God - the Book of Esther).

The Christian church, because it could not eradicate the celebration of this popular festival, reinterpreted it and assigned to it a new meaning, but was unable to erase completely its original significance. The egg and the rabbit, the phallic pole or cross (the real symbols of the festival) will continue to be loved and celebrated as long as we can marvel at the new life which the spring brings.

batman

« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 09:56 »
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flemishdreams, do we really need to move everything back to its origin?
I would hate to have to wear animal skin and carry a club with not even a cattle cart as transport instead of these nice cotton Pierre Cardin and a TransAm for transport.
worst, what are we going to use without our digital SLRs and computer?

you can stay pagan if you choose, but hell, going that far back isn't quite my cup of tea. not even sure if tea was found just then during the neanderthal age  ;D

RacePhoto

« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2009, 11:09 »
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There is an increasing trend in recent years among English-speaking evangelicals to instead refer to Easter as "Resurrection Sunday."  The Greek biblical word "Pascha" (pronounced "pah-ska") connects with Scripture and most of the non-English-speaking world in signifying this Christian commemoration as actually being based on the Old Testament Passover.

The assorted versions of the same belief system are trying to distance themselves from the origins which borrowed mythology, holidays and ritual from the Pagans and others, in order to convert people, without disenfranchising them. Many, if not most, Christian holidays have Pagan and other older belief counterparts to make the transition and conversion easier.

The church days and holidays are based on Astrology, which became the science of Astronomy. Simply put, the Sun and the Moon. Don't forget that the ancients worshiped the Moon, before the Sun. Sun? Son? Hmmm, interesting.

It's kind of like taking the best of an assortment of beliefs and creating a new improved religion.  ;D

I have no problem with any of this, the old or the new or the personal variations, but face the facts, there is much that is borrowed, adjusted, enhanced, interwoven, shared, and incorporated in the creation of the various religions. Christians are no different.

Glad this came up in Off Topic. Happy Easter everyone! For others celebrating the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe, Eostre, here comes Spring!  ;D

« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2009, 11:12 »
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you can stay pagan if you choose, but hell, going that far back isn't quite my cup of tea. not even sure if tea was found just then during the neanderthal age  ;D

Well, she was mentioning the "real" meaning. And you can be a pagan with a DSLR too  ;)
It's fun to see how the rabbit and the eggs survived 2000 years christianity, so deep inside we probably are all pagans. Whatever.

batman

« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2009, 13:17 »
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[quote author=FlemishDreams link=topic=7580.msg91787#msg91787

Well, she was mentioning the "real" meaning. And you can be a pagan with a DSLR too  ;)
It's fun to see how the rabbit and the eggs survived 2000 years christianity, so deep inside we probably are all pagans. Whatever.
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the beauty of Easter, like Christmas , is that we all have different interpretations of the meaning. So long as each one is allowed to enjoy it as they feel comfortable , I am cool with it. What I am not cool about is when the newage athiests come out of their woowork to ask to throw out the baby with the bath water.
It 's like what we have here, we may disagree but we are still wishing each other well and if it's bunnies for you, and mass for others, c'est cool!
happy hunting 4 easter eggs  ;)

« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2009, 16:04 »
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It is correct that Easter is not the original holy day (aka holiday) given by G-d.

NOTE: Certain words such as J-e-s-u-s (without the dashes) are transformed by this forum into words that can be considered offensive to those that believe in Christianity.  As such, I have used his Jewish name - Yahshua.

Yahshua (the Messiah) was a Jew.  Almost all of the apostles and disciples were Jews as well.  At first, in order to be a "Christian", it was a requirement to be a Jew first.  Gentiles (or "pagan infidels" as you put it) did not come into the Christian fold until decades later (when Peter and Paul started ministering to them).  As such, almost all Christians celebrated the Jewish holy days.  It wasn't until hundreds of years later that Easter was substituted (instead of Passover and the Feast of First Fruits) by the church.

The original holy days (aka holidays) given by G-d were Passover (Pesach) and the Feast/Day of Firstfruits (see Leviticus 23).

Passover

The Passover has two basic meanings: a remembrance of the past (the PHYSICAL) and a prophecy (to the Old Testament Jews) for the future (the SPIRITUAL).

The first meaning of course is a remembrance of the Jews gaining freedom from PHYSICAL bondage (in Egypt).  Pharaoh released the Jews because the 10th plague (of the firstborn in Exodus 11) was killing firstborn all over Egypt.  The plague passed over the Jews because they had sacrificed an unblemished lamb and wiped its blood on the door frame to their house.

The second meaning was a prophecy (to the Jews) that the unblemished (or perfect) Lamb of G-d (aka Messiah) would be sacrificed so that we would all have the opportunity to gain freedom from SPIRITUAL bondage (to death from sin).  If we accept the blood of G-d's lamb (from Yahshua's crucifixion), and wipe it on the doorframe of our hearts/soul, then when the final judgment comes (at the end), it will pass over us and we will gain eternal life.

The "Last Supper" was a Passover Seder (see Matthew 26:17-25, Mark 14:12-31, and Luke 22:1-23) and Yahshua was crucified on Passover.  His sacrifice was the ultimate Passover sacrifice.  No other Passover sacrifice is required.  He is the Lamb of G-d (see John 1:29, John 1:36, 1 Peter 1:18-19, and Revelation) and it is His blood that atones for our sins (see Ephesians 1:7-8, and Romans 5:9).

Feast of Firstfruits

The Feast of Firstfruits also has dual meanings.  The meaning in the Old Testament was that G-d would provide PHYSICAL deliverance to the Jews (i.e., those that covered themselves by the blood of the Passover lamb) in the Promised Land.  The meaning in the New Testament is that G-d will provide SPIRITUAL deliverance to Christians (i.e., those that cover themselves by the blood from the Lamb of G-d).  The Feast of Firstfruits is celebrated on the third day after the Passover.  Yahshua rose on the third day after he was crucified (which was also on the Passover).  Yahshua is the firstfruit of G-d.  His "death" and "resurrection" were the firstfruits of many to follow (see 1 Cor 15:20-23).

In summary, Passover is the original holy day for celebrating the crucifixion of the Messiah and the Feast of Firstfruits is the original holy day for celebrating the resurrection of the Messiah.

There is of course much more to this than I can write in a post.  I have tried to the basics, and hope that I didn't oversimplify it or over complicate it.

I hope that this helps.


« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2009, 18:12 »
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Flemish,

If we celebrate Easter today, it is for the religious meaning. It doesn't matter if its origins were pagan celebrations, it is not for the pagans that we have Easter today. I don't buy eggs because of connection with fertility, but because it's an Easter tradition... and because I love chocolate (in fact I don't like chocolate eggs, I only buy them for the children).

But anyway, enjoy your pagan celebrations as well.  :)

tan510jomast

« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2009, 18:36 »
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Debating the true meaning of Easter is really not important. The importance is to understand why those who celebrated Easter for this man name Yashua or J-e-s-u-s
or whatever. It's not for the sake of the institution or whatnot. It's to remember that like this man we can conquer the problems we face each day. The ressurection to rise above all. He was humble, he was selfless, he adore the one who created him and was willing to give himself up for this love.
We don't have to argue about what Easter is, anymore than we need to argue about what Christmas is. To do that is to divide ourselves as brothers and sisters.
I really don't care what it means to athiest, anymore than what it means to those who keep taking away the joys of celebrating these feasts.
If it suits those who insist of division , fine... go find your own spot and divide yourself . Be it casting lots to divide what you want of the carcass to please your need to be proven right, intelligent, or whatever drives you to be so divisive.
For me, I'd rather choose to wish all , believers in whatever the significance of this week we call Easter, and learn to be a little more like this man called J-E-S-U-S.
I don't go to church for this. I just admire him for the love he taught his followers. If I am not mistaken he stood up for the weak, to challenge the self righteous mob  encouraging them to look at themselves first before looking to be judge and jury of the next person: LET HE WHO HAS NOT DONE ANY WRONG CAST THE FIRST STONE.
Before him, another man named Confucius said the same: WHY POINT OUT THE SNOW ON YOUR NEIGHBOUR ROOF WHEN YOU HAVE DUST AT YOUR OWN DOORSTEP?

Peace.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2009, 18:42 by tan510jomast »

« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2009, 18:50 »
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If we celebrate Easter today, it is for the religious meaning.

Well some might celebrate it for the christian meaning, and that's great. The muslims and the misguided infidels don't do it for that, and certainly not the newage "athiests" (whatever that is). But the original meaning in Northern Europe is still the spring rites. But I don't want to start a philosophical discussion here about gods, prophets, goddesses, spirits, voodoo or global warming.  :P

batman

« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2009, 20:15 »
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Well some might celebrate it for the christian meaning, and that's great. The muslims and the misguided infidels don't do it for that, and certainly not the newage "athiests" (whatever that is). But the original meaning in Northern Europe is still the spring rites. But I don't want to start a philosophical discussion here about gods, prophets, goddesses, spirits, voodoo or global warming.  :P

The muslims may not celebrate Easter, but the Holy Qur'an includes a Surah (chapter) for Maryam (19th Surah), and also another Surah for Yousuf (12th Surah) As in Mary and Joseph the foster parents of the christian 's own J-e-s-u-s. In each of these Surah, they related the life of this man, their son called  J-e-s-u-s .

They may not adore the man Christians called G-o-d or Son of G-o-d, but they do ACKNOWLEDGE AND RESPECT him as he was doing the work of G-o-d. 8)
« Last Edit: April 10, 2009, 20:18 by batman »

« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2009, 11:17 »
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Happy Easter, blessings to all.

alias

« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2009, 11:51 »
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The problem with evangelicals is that they have no really sense of how metaphors work. They want everything to be literal.

But there are no gods or fairies. We are dust and energy. The bible is a roughly translated, selectively edited mixture of metaphor, half remembered history, folk lore, common sense and legend.

Existence is no less fabulous or incredible when you stop believing in super-natural beings.

If Jesus was alive today he would be an atheist.

batman

« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2009, 13:42 »
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i just wish that we can just leave out the rhetorics each time someone wants to wish us a HAPPY XXX.
hindus, buddhists, gay, soltice, vegans, or whatever; why need to be a wet blanket?
if u're cool on worshipping stone, or feel good that u don't need a god to guide u , cool. but leave others to themselves. u don't see them making a big deal about u being a godless person, so why open ur  gap to hee haw u own beliefs or lack of?
r u so uncertain of the lack of someone greater that u need to convince others ur view is the right view? 8)


 

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