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wut

« Reply #100 on: July 10, 2012, 04:25 »
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95% of men go to Thailand for sex tourism.

and who can blame them considering how much the so called thai culture is overestimated, how much they managed to ruin all the pristine beaches, to make a disneyland out of the whole of thailand, to scam and ripoff tourists in any possible nasty way, to make their sea look yellow/brown and the countryside an open air dump, with all the garbage being taken down to the ocean at the next flood.

culture might be found in myanmar and cambodia, not much in thailand actually, as most of it's culture is in fact khmer/cambodian to boot but rebranded as "thai" or "siamese" ! and it all comes from India anyway, as for the food it's a blend of burmese and khmer and chinese as well, nothing really ever "invented" in thailand, not even the Red Bull as it's a ripoff of a notorious korean energizer drink.

not be harsh but having lived in SE asia for a few years i'm a bit tired of all the BS running on about the so called "land of smiles".
i only return there to make photos as unfortunately it's still the top tourist destination in south asia and therefore my top seller for south asian images.

and following your logic, 99% of the western people going in thailand know jack sh-it about thailand and the orient as a whole, fact, which is not far from truth actually, so many expats living in a "bubble" even after 20 yrs in SE asia.

It's a great description and you obviously know what you're talking about. But it's like convincing a football fan, who's looking for champion's leagues tickets to go watch a basketball game which doesn't interest him ;) . I hope you get it now. What I'm really looking for now is to get as much as possible info about Rio and Brazil as a whole. National flights cost as little as 50€ in Brazil, so it's cheap to fly around there, for instance from Rio to Belo Horizonte which I'd visit, a crazy town with 14.000 bars :o. Some smaller, interesting and also safer towns too, so I can be relaxed and off guard too ;)

And what you said, land of smiles...Same goes for Bali as well. But you rarely really see Asian ppl with sense of humour, that joke around, really have fun and relax. If they're tourists they always walk in line like cattle, either looking down their feet all serious and boring or they're handling both a video and a photo camera. It's the same if you come in their Chinese/Japanese/Thai etc restaurant. No atmosphere, no one is relaxed, so sterile. I mean they're dull, withdrawn, keeping to themselves (not all, I gues those from south Asia are a bit different). That's why I can't see no reason to go there. What city vibe can I expect there. It's sure not like NY, safe for the hecticness, there's no dancing in the street with everybody being relaxed, partying, drinking, great music etc like in Brazil, ppl are not friendly, open and warm like in Sicily. So why would I wanna go there? No sights that interest me as well (and sights are always secondary to my trip planning anyway).

A friend of mine just came from Scandinavia, Sweden and Finland. Said ppl were so depressed, melancholic and cold that it was such a terrible experience, she could never live among those ppl. It was hell for her as well. So there must be something wrong with us :o (she was in Thailand, USA, Africa and all around Europe)


Lagereek

« Reply #101 on: July 10, 2012, 06:19 »
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95% of men go to Thailand for sex tourism.

and who can blame them considering how much the so called thai culture is overestimated, how much they managed to ruin all the pristine beaches, to make a disneyland out of the whole of thailand, to scam and ripoff tourists in any possible nasty way, to make their sea look yellow/brown and the countryside an open air dump, with all the garbage being taken down to the ocean at the next flood.

culture might be found in myanmar and cambodia, not much in thailand actually, as most of it's culture is in fact khmer/cambodian to boot but rebranded as "thai" or "siamese" ! and it all comes from India anyway, as for the food it's a blend of burmese and khmer and chinese as well, nothing really ever "invented" in thailand, not even the Red Bull as it's a ripoff of a notorious korean energizer drink.

not be harsh but having lived in SE asia for a few years i'm a bit tired of all the BS running on about the so called "land of smiles".
i only return there to make photos as unfortunately it's still the top tourist destination in south asia and therefore my top seller for south asian images.

and following your logic, 99% of the western people going in thailand know jack sh-it about thailand and the orient as a whole, fact, which is not far from truth actually, so many expats living in a "bubble" even after 20 yrs in SE asia.

It's a great description and you obviously know what you're talking about. But it's like convincing a football fan, who's looking for champion's leagues tickets to go watch a basketball game which doesn't interest him ;) . I hope you get it now. What I'm really looking for now is to get as much as possible info about Rio and Brazil as a whole. National flights cost as little as 50€ in Brazil, so it's cheap to fly around there, for instance from Rio to Belo Horizonte which I'd visit, a crazy town with 14.000 bars :o. Some smaller, interesting and also safer towns too, so I can be relaxed and off guard too ;)

And what you said, land of smiles...Same goes for Bali as well. But you rarely really see Asian ppl with sense of humour, that joke around, really have fun and relax. If they're tourists they always walk in line like cattle, either looking down their feet all serious and boring or they're handling both a video and a photo camera. It's the same if you come in their Chinese/Japanese/Thai etc restaurant. No atmosphere, no one is relaxed, so sterile. I mean they're dull, withdrawn, keeping to themselves (not all, I gues those from south Asia are a bit different). That's why I can't see no reason to go there. What city vibe can I expect there. It's sure not like NY, safe for the hecticness, there's no dancing in the street with everybody being relaxed, partying, drinking, great music etc like in Brazil, ppl are not friendly, open and warm like in Sicily. So why would I wanna go there? No sights that interest me as well (and sights are always secondary to my trip planning anyway).

A friend of mine just came from Scandinavia, Sweden and Finland. Said ppl were so depressed, melancholic and cold that it was such a terrible experience, she could never live among those ppl. It was hell for her as well. So there must be something wrong with us :o (she was in Thailand, USA, Africa and all around Europe)

Yep!  Scandinavian people are on the melancholic side thats for sure, Scandinavia in autumn and winter are dark, dingy and cold places with the odd wherewoolf popping up now and then, well almost anyway, thats what it feels like.
You have to get down to the south of Sweden to meet more lively people. Stockholm and Gothenburg are beautyful cities but, yes, people are depressing, why? because they "like to think"  they are metropole cities but in reallity, they are no bigger then a suburb to London or Paris.

The problem with Sweden for example is, the people dont appreciate the fact they were exempted from two world-wars, its a rich, hi-tech country with serious wealth and yet we are cr#p compared to our neighbour, Norway, possibly the richest country in the world.

All in all, depressing, self-centered, morbid and overweight populations roams the streets of Scandinavia. Anyone dont believe me? well just get your ass over here and see for yourself.
My saveiour was living in London for 24 years and in Rome for 5 years.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2012, 06:22 by Lagereek »

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« Reply #102 on: July 10, 2012, 06:34 »
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blah blah blah

oh for gawd sake, pack your passport and toothbrush in your back pocket and just go!  And please leave your ego and prejudices behind for all our sakes.

wut

« Reply #103 on: July 10, 2012, 06:48 »
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blah blah blah

oh for gawd sake, pack your passport and toothbrush in your back pocket and just go!  And please leave your ego and prejudices behind for all our sakes.

I jist love it when ppl tell me what to do. Yes sir, I'll go to Asia and eat chicken feet and fetuses. I'll even become a dirty backpacker, as you suggested ;)

wut

« Reply #104 on: July 10, 2012, 07:05 »
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95% of men go to Thailand for sex tourism.

and who can blame them considering how much the so called thai culture is overestimated, how much they managed to ruin all the pristine beaches, to make a disneyland out of the whole of thailand, to scam and ripoff tourists in any possible nasty way, to make their sea look yellow/brown and the countryside an open air dump, with all the garbage being taken down to the ocean at the next flood.

culture might be found in myanmar and cambodia, not much in thailand actually, as most of it's culture is in fact khmer/cambodian to boot but rebranded as "thai" or "siamese" ! and it all comes from India anyway, as for the food it's a blend of burmese and khmer and chinese as well, nothing really ever "invented" in thailand, not even the Red Bull as it's a ripoff of a notorious korean energizer drink.

not be harsh but having lived in SE asia for a few years i'm a bit tired of all the BS running on about the so called "land of smiles".
i only return there to make photos as unfortunately it's still the top tourist destination in south asia and therefore my top seller for south asian images.

and following your logic, 99% of the western people going in thailand know jack sh-it about thailand and the orient as a whole, fact, which is not far from truth actually, so many expats living in a "bubble" even after 20 yrs in SE asia.

It's a great description and you obviously know what you're talking about. But it's like convincing a football fan, who's looking for champion's leagues tickets to go watch a basketball game which doesn't interest him ;) . I hope you get it now. What I'm really looking for now is to get as much as possible info about Rio and Brazil as a whole. National flights cost as little as 50€ in Brazil, so it's cheap to fly around there, for instance from Rio to Belo Horizonte which I'd visit, a crazy town with 14.000 bars :o. Some smaller, interesting and also safer towns too, so I can be relaxed and off guard too ;)

And what you said, land of smiles...Same goes for Bali as well. But you rarely really see Asian ppl with sense of humour, that joke around, really have fun and relax. If they're tourists they always walk in line like cattle, either looking down their feet all serious and boring or they're handling both a video and a photo camera. It's the same if you come in their Chinese/Japanese/Thai etc restaurant. No atmosphere, no one is relaxed, so sterile. I mean they're dull, withdrawn, keeping to themselves (not all, I gues those from south Asia are a bit different). That's why I can't see no reason to go there. What city vibe can I expect there. It's sure not like NY, safe for the hecticness, there's no dancing in the street with everybody being relaxed, partying, drinking, great music etc like in Brazil, ppl are not friendly, open and warm like in Sicily. So why would I wanna go there? No sights that interest me as well (and sights are always secondary to my trip planning anyway).

A friend of mine just came from Scandinavia, Sweden and Finland. Said ppl were so depressed, melancholic and cold that it was such a terrible experience, she could never live among those ppl. It was hell for her as well. So there must be something wrong with us :o (she was in Thailand, USA, Africa and all around Europe)

Yep!  Scandinavian people are on the melancholic side thats for sure, Scandinavia in autumn and winter are dark, dingy and cold places with the odd wherewoolf popping up now and then, well almost anyway, thats what it feels like.
You have to get down to the south of Sweden to meet more lively people. Stockholm and Gothenburg are beautyful cities but, yes, people are depressing, why? because they "like to think"  they are metropole cities but in reallity, they are no bigger then a suburb to London or Paris.

The problem with Sweden for example is, the people dont appreciate the fact they were exempted from two world-wars, its a rich, hi-tech country with serious wealth and yet we are cr#p compared  to our neighbour, Norway, possibly the richest country in the world. 
All in all, depressing, self-centered, morbid and overweight populations roams the streets of Scandinavia. Anyone dont believe me? well just get your ass over here and see for yourself.
My saveiour was living in London for 24 years and in Rome for 5 years.

Lol you cracked me up with werewolves ;D .
She was in Stockholm. And yes not just the lack of sun and constant cold, but also lack of light during.the winter

wut

« Reply #105 on: July 10, 2012, 07:34 »
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Btw how did you kike Rome? I was there last week
 Definitely my fav city out of the biggest European cities (Paris,London, Madrid)]

antistock

« Reply #106 on: July 10, 2012, 07:52 »
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Btw how did you kike Rome? I was there last week
 Definitely my fav city out of the biggest European cities (Paris,London, Madrid)]

i'm from europe, traveled all around europe, even in eastern europe in the '90s when it was seriously rough.

i can say there's no "best place", but just a top-10 eventually.

there's nothing so packed and various and with so strong personality like europe in the world, impossible to say this is nr.1 and this is nr.2

to me Rome is a place where they rip you off, avoid the south and stick with northern italy, and bring your own food when in venice unless you like paying more than in London or Tokyo for a coffee or a sandwich.

ShadySue

« Reply #107 on: July 10, 2012, 08:00 »
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... to me Rome is a place where they rip you off,
Especially, do not take a taxi from the station to your accommodation.
(And be wary of pickpockets around the station area)

antistock

« Reply #108 on: July 10, 2012, 08:19 »
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for instance from Rio to Belo Horizonte which I'd visit, a crazy town with 14.000 bars :o.

and what  a troll like you will do with those 14K bars considering your small di-ck ?
c'mon, even the favela hoo-kers will hardly take you under their wing.

as for the rest of your rants you obviously know jack sh-it about asia, sorry, we dont need more farangs/barang/laowai/gaijin/ang-mo like you here.

oh and if you like sicilians it say it all.

antistock

« Reply #109 on: July 10, 2012, 08:24 »
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... to me Rome is a place where they rip you off,
Especially, do not take a taxi from the station to your accommodation.
(And be wary of pickpockets around the station area)

and same for public buses, plenty of gypsies from romania doing pickpocketing, mostly kids.

i mean, for me it's child's play considering i live in a shithole country at the moment but certainly these things in Rome are on a higher and industrial scale, if here i just hide the money in a deep pocket leaving home cards etc in rome i would hide everything in my underwearjust in case.

that's for moving out, then scams in restaurants and even with street food vendors.

and the list goes on, never seen the same sh-it in florence or venice or milan or ... only in India or Vietnam or Philippines this is the norm.

wut

« Reply #110 on: July 10, 2012, 08:25 »
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Btw how did you kike Rome? I was there last week
 Definitely my fav city out of the biggest European cities (Paris,London, Madrid)]

i'm from europe, traveled all around europe, even in eastern europe in the '90s when it was seriously rough.

i can say there's no "best place", but just a top-10 eventually.

there's nothing so packed and various and with so strong personality like europe in the world, impossible to say this is nr.1 and this is nr.2

to me Rome is a place where they rip you off, avoid the south and stick with northern italy, and bring your own food when in venice unless you like paying more than in London or Tokyo for a coffee or a sandwich.

My experiences are exactly opposite (and that's what makes it interesting). I have a No1, it's Palermo, hands down. Followed by Valencia and Sevilla. When we're talking about Europe. Otherwise NY shares the No1 spot with Palermo. Totally different cities, but both so amazing. And yeah, I like to stick with southern Italy, Sicily, the nicest, friendliest ppl I've ever met, the best food, lots to see and experience...The difference is, you can drink a big beer (0,66l) for 1,5-2€ in the city center. It's 4+ in the north, all the way up to 8€ for 0,4l (Firenze (Florence) for instance). But the biggest difference is in the ppl, Italians are nice and friendly, but southerners are even more. No or few tourist traps when it comes to restaurants too, unless you're in a resort or a city like Taormina (which could be more touristic). I avoid such places anyway. In Rome they rip you off if you let 'em. If you act like a dumb tourist you deserve it. It's happened only once to me in Rome, when he wanted to charge me 6€ for a beer when it was clearly written on the "chalkboard" outside the bar that it costs 4,5€. You just have to point it out and say you ain't buying that sheat that it's just the special price for American students. I see many tourists behaving like arrogant cu#ts, so it doesn't surprise me they're ripping them off. If you behave normally, if you know their customs, speak at least a few words of Italian, they appreciate it and treat you nicely.

Of course you can drink a coffee for 1,5€ on a nice piazza, just not piazza di San Marco. There are also cafes in Rome just one street from one of the main squares (Navona), serving excellent macchiato for 0,8€. I dunno, you just have to be smarter than the average tourist and you can get by just fine. We ate superb food all the time and payed 25-100€ for 2, but that 100€ meal was in a really good higher priced restaurant. Otherwise pasta dishes cost 6-8€ in a good restaurants, salads a bit less, pizzas are 6-11...I didn't eat secondi (second plate), meaning fish or meat many times, since I don't care that much for meat and they're not really known for it (the Italian cuisine) and they don't make fish the way I like it usually, at least that was the case on Sicily (except for swordfish rolls which were delicious everywhere, even from a street grill) and 4 days really weren't enough to experiment that much, so I just sticked to pastas, pizzas and an excellent mozzarella bar, where they deliver fresh buffalo mozzarella every morning

antistock

« Reply #111 on: July 10, 2012, 08:28 »
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Yep!  Scandinavian people are on the melancholic side thats for sure, Scandinavia in autumn and winter are dark, dingy and cold places with the odd wherewoolf popping up now and then, well almost anyway, thats what it feels like.
You have to get down to the south of Sweden to meet more lively people. Stockholm and Gothenburg are beautyful cities but, yes, people are depressing, why? because they "like to think"  they are metropole cities but in reallity, they are no bigger then a suburb to London or Paris.

The problem with Sweden for example is, the people dont appreciate the fact they were exempted from two world-wars, its a rich, hi-tech country with serious wealth and yet we are cr#p compared to our neighbour, Norway, possibly the richest country in the world.

All in all, depressing, self-centered, morbid and overweight populations roams the streets of Scandinavia. Anyone dont believe me? well just get your ass over here and see for yourself.
My saveiour was living in London for 24 years and in Rome for 5 years.

they're ok, their maybe only issue is seeing the world from a scandinavian eye, must be a grim reality check for them to realize they're the ONLY place where some things are taken for granted, a welfare like in sweden is unthinkable even in most of western europe, let alone asia, america or africa....

can't see any big issue in scandinavia apart mass immigration and the unsustainable welfare.

where's the problem after all .. every country in europe had its golden days before or later, what i like of nordics is that they're a no crap generation and that when something is made there it just works, and it must be with their harsh climate, not like here where i am now with bamboo huts, iron roofs,  and homes that would crumble at the next heartquake or flood.

wut

« Reply #112 on: July 10, 2012, 08:30 »
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for instance from Rio to Belo Horizonte which I'd visit, a crazy town with 14.000 bars :o.

and what  a troll like you will do with those 14K bars considering your small di-ck ?
c'mon, even the favela hoo-kers will hardly take you under their wing.

as for the rest of your rants you obviously know jack sh-it about asia, sorry, we dont need more farangs/barang/laowai/gaijin/ang-mo like you here.

oh and if you like sicilians it say it all.

Small dick? Your mum told you? And she promised she wouldn't, * you can never really trust hookers, especially if they give it out for free :o

Gaijin? So you're an Asian? Yeah I can understand why you're so frustrated, obsessed with penis sizes. It's a cruel game of nature that you're only packing 9,66 cm on average. No wonder you behave like that then ;)

antistock

« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2012, 08:49 »
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Btw how did you kike Rome? I was there last week
 Definitely my fav city out of the biggest European cities (Paris,London, Madrid)]

i'm from europe, traveled all around europe, even in eastern europe in the '90s when it was seriously rough.

i can say there's no "best place", but just a top-10 eventually.

there's nothing so packed and various and with so strong personality like europe in the world, impossible to say this is nr.1 and this is nr.2

to me Rome is a place where they rip you off, avoid the south and stick with northern italy, and bring your own food when in venice unless you like paying more than in London or Tokyo for a coffee or a sandwich.

My experiences are exactly opposite (and that's what makes it interesting). I have a No1, it's Palermo, hands down. Followed by Valencia and Sevilla. When we're talking about Europe. Otherwise NY shares the No1 spot with Palermo. Totally different cities, but both so amazing. And yeah, I like to stick with southern Italy, Sicily, the nicest, friendliest ppl I've ever met, the best food, lots to see and experience...The difference is, you can drink a big beer (0,66l) for 1,5-2€ in the city center. It's 4+ in the north, all the way up to 8€ for 0,4l (Firenze (Florence) for instance). But the biggest difference is in the ppl, Italians are nice and friendly, but southerners are even more. No or few tourist traps when it comes to restaurants too, unless you're in a resort or a city like Taormina (which could be more touristic). I avoid such places anyway. In Rome they rip you off if you let 'em. If you act like a dumb tourist you deserve it. It's happened only once to me in Rome, when he wanted to charge me 6€ for a beer when it was clearly written on the "chalkboard" outside the bar that it costs 4,5€. You just have to point it out and say you ain't buying that sheat that it's just the special price for American students. I see many tourists behaving like arrogant cu#ts, so it doesn't surprise me they're ripping them off. If you behave normally, if you know their customs, speak at least a few words of Italian, they appreciate it and treat you nicely.

Of course you can drink a coffee for 1,5€ on a nice piazza, just not piazza di San Marco. There are also cafes in Rome just one street from one of the main squares (Navona), serving excellent macchiato for 0,8€. I dunno, you just have to be smarter than the average tourist and you can get by just fine. We ate superb food all the time and payed 25-100€ for 2, but that 100€ meal was in a really good higher priced restaurant. Otherwise pasta dishes cost 6-8€ in a good restaurants, salads a bit less, pizzas are 6-11...I didn't eat secondi (second plate), meaning fish or meat many times, since I don't care that much for meat and they're not really known for it (the Italian cuisine) and they don't make fish the way I like it usually, at least that was the case on Sicily (except for swordfish rolls which were delicious everywhere, even from a street grill) and 4 days really weren't enough to experiment that much, so I just sticked to pastas, pizzas and an excellent mozzarella bar, where they deliver fresh buffalo mozzarella every morning

sorry but Sicily and southern Spain are in europe just geographically, that's maybe why you like it so much, it's NOT europe !

food etc .. OK agree wholeheartly .. but so is Turkey, middle east, india, and much more.

beer : only if you pretend to drink a cheap beer in the very city center of Florence or Milan or Venice ... it's still half a euro in supermarkets and 3-4 euro anywhere else and if you haven't noticed in italy it's cheaper to drink WINE rather than beer ... 1 bucket of draft red wine in any cheap bar was 2-3 euro in my last trip there, try any "osteria" or any bar in the suburbs, and in supermarkets you can buy 1 bottle for 1 euro or even less if there are promotions.

i can't blame arrogant tourists when surrounded by thugs and con artists, that's rome in a nutshell unless you know the score.

and they dont speak italian in rome, they speak Roman.

yes, 1 euro is the norm for coffee everywhere, unless in p.zza san marco etc ...then it can be up to 10 euro or whatever ... but they dont target normal tourist there, the high price is to keep us away actually.

meat : mostly in the north, not much in the south, no idea why as in spain greece and turkey or even Lebanon it's ALL about meat !

pizza : yes, 5-6 euro up, everywhere.

meals : 25-100 euro for two.. yes ... you can have it a bit better if you know the score but not much, the golden days of cheap italy are gone since a long time ! even the south is expensive now.

Lagereek

« Reply #114 on: July 10, 2012, 08:55 »
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Thats just it!  the Scandinavian welfare system is as unsustainable as IS :D, and its been like it for years and years. During these socialdemocratic party in power it was more profitable to live on welfare then go to work, crazy!. At least now, with the slightly more conservatives, it pays to go to work.

Apart from that, theres no country left in Europe to shout about, they are all in trouble, everyone of them, exept Norway and Switzerland but again, boring and introverted people. Its all sheit, same goes for the entire Africa, Asia, middle-east, china and Japan, all sheit!
This leaves Australia, NZ, USA and Canada. I wont even count South-America where your under the gun from local generals and kartells, etc.

Blimey!  what a future, fellas, what a future.

antistock

« Reply #115 on: July 10, 2012, 09:08 »
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Great stuff! I can respond now since I'm getting ready for a cup of tea with my friends. We're gonna discuss some politics too and what those * commies liberals are up to.

hahaha i'm so right wing i'm bouncing back to the left actually.

as for politics, the only politics in travel photography is being a witness of places in perpetual change and turmoil, our photos are a message to the next generations and will talk a 100 words.

rule nr.1,local politics is not your business, do your job, and shut the F up.

i could write a book about my travels and what i've seen around the globe, and yet what i really know after all ? all i'm doing is living outside the "bubble" where you and the others are scared to escape.

antistock

« Reply #116 on: July 10, 2012, 09:18 »
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Thats just it!  the Scandinavian welfare system is as unsustainable as IS :D, and its been like it for years and years. During these socialdemocratic party in power it was more profitable to live on welfare then go to work, crazy!. At least now, with the slightly more conservatives, it pays to go to work.

Apart from that, theres no country left in Europe to shout about, they are all in trouble, everyone of them, exept Norway and Switzerland but again, boring and introverted people. Its all sheit, same goes for the entire Africa, Asia, middle-east, china and Japan, all sheit!
This leaves Australia, NZ, USA and Canada. I wont even count South-America where your under the gun from local generals and kartells, etc.

Blimey!  what a future, fellas, what a future.

in fact i'm not surprised Breivik is from Norway !
despite all the crap the medias thrown in his face he's gotta become a hero or at least a national icon in 50 yrs from now.

i can see the people at the bar calling him "the only one who had the balls to do it" etc etc and yes it's gonna be like that
just wait and see, isn't the UK a bad enough living example of bad immigration policy and crazy welfare laws ?

yes the whole of europe is in deep sh-it but i'm actually happy about this, a good old kick in the as-s is the only way to
wake them up from their sleep.

boring, introverted, it depends it depends, they all change quickly when they come here down south with cheap girls and cheap booze.
i think in the end like for the rest of the western world it's all a matter of sexual repression along with a mix of bigotry, indoctrination, rubbish, and leftist bullsh-its.


 

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