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ShadySue

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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2020, 13:07 »
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maybe danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.


Shelma1

« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2020, 13:16 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2020, 14:28 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

Roll your eyes all you want, but history tells the truth. Of the 21 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act in 1964, only 1 of them switched parties and became a Republican. The other 20 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act remained Democrats until their service came to and end.

The only thing that changed was the voting Demographics, which slowly shifted in the south to become more Republican. Republicans values has remained fairly consistent in the last century. It's still the party of individual liberties, free market capitalism, property rights, constitutionalism and racial integration...yes racial integration.

Republicans judge people by their values. Democrats judge people by their skin color, which is basically the definition of racism. Republicans welcomes people of all races as long as they have the same values. Democrats will call you a race traitor the moment they try to think differently.

Shelma1

« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2020, 14:53 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

Roll your eyes all you want, but history tells the truth. Of the 21 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act in 1964, only 1 of them switched parties and became a Republican. The other 20 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act remained Democrats until their service came to and end.

The only thing that changed was the voting Demographics, which slowly shifted in the south to become more Republican. Republicans values has remained fairly consistent in the last century. It's still the party of individual liberties, free market capitalism, property rights, constitutionalism and racial integration...yes racial integration.

Republicans judge people by their values. Democrats judge people by their skin color, which is basically the definition of racism. Republicans welcomes people of all races as long as they have the same values. Democrats will call you a race traitor the moment they try to think differently.

Hilarious.

Tenebroso

« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2020, 15:16 »
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True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2020, 15:28 »
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maybe danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2020, 15:33 »
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True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

MLK also had a dream... "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why don't you tell me how kneeling before the anthem changed the country for the better? All I see is division and tension. It's an empty gesture that has not improved the lives of black people in any kind of way. It's as empty as removing Uncle Ben from product packaging. Nobody wants to acknowlege any real issues and address them in a meaningful way. All I see are people who are addicted to outrage and pretend they're morally righteous.

If they're real patriots, they would not be burning the American flag and sometimes carry the flags of communists from decades past.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

He also gets 24/7 Secret Service and plenty of other perks. That's what every president enjoyed since the first president became president.

Tenebroso

« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2020, 15:43 »
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maybe danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.


When Trump was born, he already received an intense course in lamps that are inserted through the anus and eliminate viruses. You also know the effect of bleach and disinfectant baths. The doctors would like me to listen to them. TO POTU, as if a huge asteroid is coming against the earth. His goal is not to lose to the sleeper in four years of presidency. He does not care about the virus or the doctors.

He is Trump. Pure North American. Invincible and great. You don't need doctors. You need not to lose to the cowardly sleepyhead hiding in the basement and entertain narrow minds with memes of Pelosi's eyebrows, anything that makes those who have a hard time thinking for themselves laugh. The rest, viruses, deaths or aid for the people, for rents and food, he does not care.

The subject is very entertaining, if it weren't for the fact that each dead person has a name and surname.

Tenebroso

« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2020, 15:51 »
+1
True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

MLK also had a dream... "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why don't you tell me how kneeling before the anthem changed the country for the better? All I see is division and tension. It's an empty gesture that has not improved the lives of black people in any kind of way. It's as empty as removing Uncle Ben from product packaging. Nobody wants to acknowlege any real issues and address them in a meaningful way. All I see are people who are addicted to outrage and pretend they're morally righteous.

If they're real patriots, they would not be burning the American flag and sometimes carry the flags of communists from decades past.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

He also gets 24/7 Secret Service and plenty of other perks. That's what every president enjoyed since the first president became president.


I'm not going to explain anything to you because you don't want to learn anything. I do not believe that blacks cannot be given a weapon because they know no more than to kill. I don't think they should be given a stick instead of a gun and sent to Africa.

I'm sure no one thinks that way. And it's the media and 8chan that intoxicates my mind.

Seeing your face, before the hymn, must be a poem.

I am not going to explain anything to you, since the process of evolution in the USA has begun. And this time, it's not going to be a temporary patch, it really needs to be fixed.

Tenebroso

« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2020, 16:08 »
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Less flags and more health. If the American people decide to throw all their statues into Lake Michigan, a new flag in Mississippi, a police force of the people, for all and universal health and decide to enjoy paid vacations..... enjoy it too.

 I can send you a statue of Colon if you want it. I'm not interested in statues, flags, I'm interested in the people in general.

Ask the heroes to leave those statues in your garden and let the American people put up the statues they decide as a whole in the future.


And very importantly, get used to seeing gay families. And fight to improve the country, do not stay with the themes of the 50s. We are in 2020.

« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2020, 18:46 »
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what we have to remember here is that the USA is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, when you look at the stats, 4% of people have passports, 50 or 60 million people do not have health care, this is a country where if you are taken to hospital the first thing they ask is if you have health care.
The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.
The last Pres election was rigged using BIG DATA to manipulate voters, right done to blocks in suburbs, not cities, this is how desperate they are, if yoy think I am kidding look up "voter Deterrence".

Come on, wake up.

Tenebroso

« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2020, 18:56 »
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Amen, totally agree and many other things.

There are people who leave the hospital and do not have an address to deliver the bill, they have been evicted, in addition to not being able to pay for rehabilitation.

Fortunately, it is time. I never thought I could see the USA gets it. But it seems that the people have said Enough Now!!
I never thought of seeing in life, even the slightest change towards a country to live. I was wrong, the USA is going to get it.

Milleflore

  • Australia
« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2020, 06:21 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 06:26 by Milleflore »

Milleflore

  • Australia
« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2020, 06:43 »
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The White House has become a goddam petri dish! At least 17 people in the WH have tested positive to Covid in the past few days. 

« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2020, 07:05 »
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They should sue the good old Donald.

« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2020, 09:30 »
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The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 09:41 by Zero Talent »

Shelma1

« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2020, 10:28 »
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The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.

Because slaves couldnt vote. So counting them means votes were cast by their masters on their behalf. They had no say in the matter. Instead of one person (white man), one vote, you had one person (white man), hundreds of votes. This gave slave holders even more reason to enslave as many people as possible, because every person they enslaved gave them more power. Of course the south didnt want slavery to end. It was the source of all their wealth, and the source of their voting and governing power.

« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2020, 11:02 »
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The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.

Because slaves couldnt vote. So counting them means votes were cast by their masters on their behalf. They had no say in the matter. Instead of one person (white man), one vote, you had one person (white man), hundreds of votes. This gave slave holders even more reason to enslave as many people as possible, because every person they enslaved gave them more power. Of course the south didnt want slavery to end. It was the source of all their wealth, and the source of their voting and governing power.

Exactly. Of course, the slaves didn't have the right to vote. Both sides played political games.

However, the southern states tried to get the slaves counted as part of the population, while the northern states didn't want that. For the northern states, the slaves were not part of the population.

Women were in a similar situation: counted as part of the population, but not allowed to vote. Neither in the northern states nor in the southern states. 

Speaking about the right to vote for non-white races, that was out of the question, before the Civil War, even in the northern states. This is what Lincoln said about it:

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites.

So white men had much that one vote for themselves, even in the northern states.

Anyway, in my book, counting slaves and women as full persons and part of the population is more progressive than neglecting them or considering them only 3/5 of a person.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 11:36 by Zero Talent »

Shelma1

« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2020, 12:54 »
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Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, its important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they werent hypocrites...they didnt consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldnt count when it came to voting. White men in the south didnt consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2020, 13:51 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

Democratic revisionist history claiming the parties flipped. The Democrat's saw the Republicans getting votes in the South from minority groups and they wanted those. This is all about votes and power. LBJ was right to stand up to the Dixiecrats who didn't support him or civil rights. The Klan and the Southern Democrat's didn't switch in the 60s, that took decades of slow change. The Republican's started out supporting civil rights and still do. How's that a flip?

« Reply #95 on: October 07, 2020, 13:54 »
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Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, its important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they werent hypocrites...they didnt consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldnt count when it came to voting. White men in the south didnt consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

Power all about power.

« Reply #96 on: October 07, 2020, 17:15 »
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Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, its important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they werent hypocrites...they didnt consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldnt count when it came to voting. White men in the south didnt consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

Actually, hypocrisy was on both sides, since both sides were jockeying for more power.

Black folks from the northern states were counted as part of the population but didn't have the right to vote. That gave white males from the northern states more vote power per capita than they were ready to accept for their southern counterparts since they didn't want to consider black folks from the southern states as "population".

BTW, speaking about hypocrisy, Lincoln's emancipation was only valid for the slaves from the southern states, because he had no control there, anymore. He didn't free the slaves from the border states, like Maryland, Delaware, etc (which were slave states, but part of the Union), because he didn't want to lose the political support from these states.

When you want rules applied only to others but not to yourself, that's hypocrisy.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 17:23 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #97 on: October 07, 2020, 17:23 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 17:52 by Minsc »

Milleflore

  • Australia
« Reply #98 on: October 07, 2020, 18:32 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

« Reply #99 on: October 07, 2020, 18:44 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.


 

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