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Quote from: trabuco on October 06, 2020, 11:39

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�maybe� danger

 

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.

A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.

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Quote from: Shelma1 on October 05, 2020, 13:53

Quote from: gillian vann on October 05, 2020, 03:35

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 20:35

The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there�s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.

ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 

Roll your eyes all you want, but history tells the truth. Of the 21 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act in 1964, only 1 of them switched parties and became a Republican. The other 20 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act remained Democrats until their service came to and end.

The only thing that changed was the voting Demographics, which slowly shifted in the south to become more Republican. Republicans values has remained fairly consistent in the last century. It's still the party of individual liberties, free market capitalism, property rights, constitutionalism and racial integration...yes racial integration.

Republicans judge people by their values. Democrats judge people by their skin color, which is basically the definition of racism. Republicans welcomes people of all races as long as they have the same values. Democrats will call you a race traitor the moment they try to think differently.

True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

MLK also had a dream... "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why don't you tell me how kneeling before the anthem changed the country for the better? All I see is division and tension. It's an empty gesture that has not improved the lives of black people in any kind of way. It's as empty as removing Uncle Ben from product packaging. Nobody wants to acknowlege any real issues and address them in a meaningful way. All I see are people who are addicted to outrage and pretend they're morally righteous.

If they're real patriots, they would not be burning the American flag and sometimes carry the flags of communists from decades past.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

He also gets 24/7 Secret Service and plenty of other perks. That's what every president enjoyed since the first president became president.

Quote from: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 15:16

True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

MLK also had a dream... "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why don't you tell me how kneeling before the anthem changed the country for the better? All I see is division and tension. It's an empty gesture that has not improved the lives of black people in any kind of way. It's as empty as removing Uncle Ben from product packaging. Nobody wants to acknowlege any real issues and address them in a meaningful way. All I see are people who are addicted to outrage and pretend they're morally righteous.

If they're real patriots, they would not be burning the American flag and sometimes carry the flags of communists from decades past.

Quote from: trabuco on October 06, 2020, 15:28

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

He also gets 24/7 Secret Service and plenty of other perks. That's what every president enjoyed since the first president became president.

I'm not going to explain anything to you because you don't want to learn anything. I do not believe that blacks cannot be given a weapon because they know no more than to kill. I don't think they should be given a stick instead of a gun and sent to Africa.

I'm sure no one thinks that way. And it's the media and 8chan that intoxicates my mind.

Seeing your face, before the hymn, must be a poem.

I am not going to explain anything to you, since the process of evolution in the USA has begun. And this time, it's not going to be a temporary patch, it really needs to be fixed.

what we have to remember here is that the USA is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, when you look at the stats, 4% of people have passports, 50 or 60 million people do not have health care, this is a country where if you are taken to hospital the first thing they ask is if you have health care.
The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.
The last Pres election was rigged using BIG DATA to manipulate voters, right done to blocks in suburbs, not cities, this is how desperate they are, if yoy think I am kidding look up "voter Deterrence".

Come on, wake up.

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 05, 2020, 13:53

Quote from: gillian vann on October 05, 2020, 03:35

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 20:35

The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there�s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.

ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

They should sue the good old Donald.

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 20:35

The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.

Because slaves couldn�t vote. So counting them means votes were cast by their �masters� on their behalf. They had no say in the matter. Instead of one person (white man), one vote, you had one person (white man), hundreds of votes. This gave slave holders even more reason to enslave as many people as possible, because every person they enslaved gave them more power. Of course the south didn�t want slavery to end. It was the source of all their wealth, and the source of their voting and governing power.

Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, it�s important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they weren�t hypocrites...they didn�t consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldn�t count when it came to voting. White men in the south didn�t consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, it�s important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they weren�t hypocrites...they didn�t consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldn�t count when it came to voting. White men in the south didn�t consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

Power all about power.

Quote from: Minsc on October 06, 2020, 13:02

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 05, 2020, 13:53

Quote from: gillian vann on October 05, 2020, 03:35

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 20:35

The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there�s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.

ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

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Quote from: Minsc on October 06, 2020, 13:02

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 05, 2020, 13:53

Quote from: gillian vann on October 05, 2020, 03:35

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 20:35

The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there�s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.

ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.