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Title: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 02, 2020, 05:48
Supposedly. I have so little trust in anything he says that I’m not sure if it’s true or if it’s 1. A ploy to make him look invincible when he miraculously “recovers” just before the election 2. An excuse to hand the reins over to Pence, who pardons him for everything 3. A chance to secretly mass the troops, the Proud Boys, etc. to prepare for a takeover, or 4. His opportunity to escape to somewhere.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 02, 2020, 06:41
Here in the EU the news about Trump in the last days are quite scaring. The media are saying he could not accept the election results with the support of supremacist groups, the good old nazi guys.

I think it is just another stupid thing he has said about the mail voting or something... Can't believe that.

I do think he is ill now. He should have used a face covering all the time, like everyone else should do.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 07:07
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

USA is isolated from the world. You have always been very special. It is no longer useful to divide the world with Russia, after the Second World War.

As countries struggle to try to improve in all aspects, with their own problems, the Freedom of Expression amendment, I was not aware of the misinterpretation and the strength of the internet. Insulting gratuitously and manipulating society with measured information. Professional brainwashing for years.

People cannot assimilate the false news, and another one arrives. Of hatred and political rivalry.

In economics, it was already known that taxes are for these people, who do not want free X-rays to homeless people, the same people, fight for a health care for the rich and for millionaires.

The developed countries, we will receive American refugees, while you solve your problems of abortions and things of the 50s.

The problem is with the country, with its citizens, not with this ruined president about to go to jail.

Society as a whole is responsible for what happens in a country, there is a lot of flags, but it is divided into colored states.

Continue fighting for abortion, yes, abortion, no, and the rest of the country will follow the geopolitical trail of the EU and China.

The EU is going to lead the climate change, you solve your hatred, first. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right of man, also the right to honor, intimacy and privacy.

As long as you allow free insults to Gays, you are not worthy of anything. Since Gays are normal people. Something difficult to understand, since the set allows abuse.

7 millionaires, and millions of slaves, who wish to be slaves with the carrot of the American dream.

It was already known before COVID that the USA was not so strong. Society, families cannot save, or pay for an unforeseen event, despite working in at least two places. And without the right to paid vacations, or health, where living one more day is a matter of luck. Violence and hatred is the description of the USA.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 08:03
If POTU does not survive this positive for COVIDD, the conspiracy and the weapons will be in the street. Good luck to you all.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Bad Robot on October 02, 2020, 09:25
I wish him and his wife a speedy recovery  :-*
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 02, 2020, 09:42
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 10:11
Yeah true. Three million more votes. The system of perpetual election, donations and bipartisanship, you will also have to improve. The new states cannot be allowed to have no votes, and it is known that the shift in population demographics will have repercussions in the future.

However, I insist, it is American society that has placed the Republic in the current situation, allowing young people to access gratuitous hatred, pride of parents that education, children and grandchildren of immigrants trying to show that they are more American than the flag.

There is a lot of work in any corner of the planet. In the USA, it is the result of decades that has led to this unbearable deterioration.

If you look at the press of the misnamed Spanish flu, you will see that the second wave was brutal, because the freedom of the alpha male was taken to the judge with his mouth uncovered. And many years have passed to improve these feelings.


The problem is in American society, its deterioration has managed to place this character as a disruptor (cutout, circuit breaker) of a fragile society.

You must restart the country. You're going to have to do it anyway. It's okay with so much suicide, psychological problems, addictions, depression, drugs, hunger, violence, loneliness,............ a poem about a place to live.

USA is a country full of anonymous heroes, the changes is underway.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 02, 2020, 10:47
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 02, 2020, 12:38
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Incorrect. The electoral college is unfairly tilted towards conservatives and was purposely designed that way.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 02, 2020, 12:57
When?

edit.

I'm reading a Times article about that. My knowledge about the system is just how it works now and my English is a quite poor, but the article is in Spanish. I see it was designed to give an advantage to the southern states.

Anyway ALL electoral systems are unfair. You have to win with that like Clinton or Obama did.

f.i. In my country a small party that supports terrorism and killing people is in fact decisive because our voting system gives and advantage to concentrated voting in small regions. And some tiny regional parties (with extreme ideology) are stronger than some national ones with a lot more votes.

I mean, you have to play with that s.

apologies for my English. These topics are hard to me  ;D
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 13:48
When?

edit.

I'm reading a Times article about that. My knowledge about the system is just how it works now and my English is a quite poor, but the article is in Spanish. I see it was designed to give an advantage to the southern states.

Anyway ALL electoral systems are unfair. You have to win with that like Clinton or Obama did.

f.i. In my country a small party that supports terrorism and killing people is in fact decisive because our voting system gives and advantage to concentrated voting in small regions. And some tiny regional parties (with extreme ideology) are stronger than some national ones with a lot more votes.

I mean, you have to play with that s.

apologies for my English. These topics are hard to me  ;D



All political parties in Spain are within the Spanish Constitution. That this is an American forum does not exempt you from your responsibility, your European rights and obligations.

Any citizen who feels attacked by your comment can go to a police station. The administrator of this forum will be asked for your IP automatically. And in front of the judge, you will have to prove your words. If you can prove it, no problem. If you can't prove it, you may have problems.

The world is very small and I am telling you this to try to help you.

A greeting.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 02, 2020, 13:56
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 14:09
President Trump is the president of the USA legitimate. He is the one who won the elections. The one the American people wanted to represent them. The election system is not perfect. It will change, for sure.


There are many very good things and some very bad things in the USA. Great country. All in a big way. It does not matter if there is no work and a pandemic, cutting the campaign months so as not to need so many millions in donations was a possible good detail from the politicians. But no matter the virus, or the lack of work, or not being able to pay the rents, nothing matters, except winning the elections. Great country.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 02, 2020, 14:09
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 02, 2020, 14:21
President Trump is the president of the USA legitimate. He is the one who won the elections. The one the American people wanted to represent them. The election system is not perfect. It will change, for sure.


There are many very good things and some very bad things in the USA. Great country. All in a big way. It does not matter if there is no work and a pandemic, cutting the campaign months so as not to need so many millions in donations was a possible good detail from the politicians. But no matter the virus, or the lack of work, or not being able to pay the rents, nothing matters, except winning the elections. Great country.

No, he isn’t the one the American people wanted to represent them. Hillary won the popular (the people) vote.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 02, 2020, 14:27
This is a circle. And it's the same in all countries.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 02, 2020, 14:31
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

No answers for those questions, but voting systems can be changed.

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 14:48
President Trump is the president of the USA legitimate. He is the one who won the elections. The one the American people wanted to represent them. The election system is not perfect. It will change, for sure.


There are many very good things and some very bad things in the USA. Great country. All in a big way. It does not matter if there is no work and a pandemic, cutting the campaign months so as not to need so many millions in donations was a possible good detail from the politicians. But no matter the virus, or the lack of work, or not being able to pay the rents, nothing matters, except winning the elections. Great country.

No, he isn’t the one the American people wanted to represent them. Hillary won the popular (the people) vote.



The people now kneel in the hymn. And it is now when the people will decide what statues will be in the streets, and the name of the army bases. A policeman to defend you, not to shoot and then ask. They will go two by two on patrol on the lonely roads and will be a great policeman.


It will be determined to defend the honor in the social networks of the different person. Transsexuals will be recognized as people and will defend their rights against harassment from the extreme right.

They will be educated in schools, according to gender equality and respect for immigrants, the problem of immigration will be approached as a social drama, not incriminating them as criminals, yes, I am totally sure that the American people know what to do and are doing it.

You cannot avoid misinformation in order to create a civil war by foreign countries. I hope you solve the problems, and you have the right to paid vacations and universal health. You are living a historical moment. You are going to restart the country, which was necessary.

Trump has been the drop that has exceeded the cup. The problem is one of education at school so that within a few decades, we can live in peace. The adults, they are hardly going to change their minds. The truth does not matter, the hatred engendered over decades matters.

We already know that not all Americans go out with their guns, like kindergarten children. The street is full of heroes who have decided to change the country. It was time!!!!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 15:15
It is a shame that a US president launches violence on Twitter and has to delete his videos of violent blacks attacking whites.
It is shameful that they have to delete comments that extol hatred and violence.
It is shameful that a president puts links to media, blogs, of dubious information.


The quality and effort of the great American journalists are to be appreciated.
And it is very strange that you have so much patience.
I think you are too good people.

Fortunately, no matter who the political rival is, anyone but Trump is the motto of the American people.

It is a historic moment for the USA.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 02, 2020, 15:16
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 02, 2020, 15:26
Fortunately, in deep America, feminists are already respected. And fortunately, the USA is going to modernize.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 02, 2020, 15:28
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

The mental gymnastics conservatives go through to defend an inherently unfair system are entertaining, I guess.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 02, 2020, 15:37
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

The mental gymnastic conservatives go through to defend an inherently unfair system are entertaining, I guess.

This article came out 2 days before 2016 elections. The purpose was to make Trump look bad for not having much celebrity support. It basically details all the concerts and events Hillary had planned with celebrities. They mentioned how Trump was focused on the swing states while Hillary ignored it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html)

Hillary had the 2016 election in the bag. A series of campaign blunders cost her the election. If you want to blame anyone, blame the person who failed to connect with the people. Hillary played a game of chess and lost and then complained that it wasn't a game of checkers.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 02, 2020, 16:09
Voter Suppression???
AFTER White House officials learned of Hicks’s symptoms, Trump and his entourage flew Thursday to New Jersey, where he attended a fundraiser at his golf club in Bedminster and delivered a speech. Trump was in close contact with dozens of other people, including campaign supporters, at a roundtable event.

The president did not wear a mask Thursday, including at the events at his golf course and on the plane, officials said. He was tested after he returned to the White House, but he also appeared on Sean Hannity’s TV show from the residence by telephone.
--MS news
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 02, 2020, 16:21
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.
...
the point is the system is undemocratic & a long way from 1 person: 1 vote
doesnt change the fact that it is tilted towards red (republican) states

eg:

WA state (blue) has 7.5 million pop  w 10 representatives + 2 senators = 12 electoral votes
 
ID, ND, SD, WY, MT,UT has SAME pop and 10 representatives, but TWELVE senators = 22 electoral votes
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 02, 2020, 16:23


No answers for those questions, but voting systems can be changed.

unfortunately the unfairness is built into the constitution which would be almost impossible to change.  best hope to even it a bit is to make WA,DC & Puerto Rico states
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 02, 2020, 16:34
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.
...
the point is the system is undemocratic & a long way from 1 person: 1 vote
doesnt change the fact that it is tilted towards red (republican) states

eg:

WA state (blue) has 7.5 million pop  w 10 representatives + 2 senators = 12 electoral votes
 
ID, ND, SD, WY, MT,UT has SAME pop and 10 representatives, but TWELVE senators = 22 electoral votes

The US is not a pure democracy. It's a Federal Republic and it has been for centuries. You will not find the word "democracy" anywhere in the Constitution. There is a reason why it's called The United States of America.

A pure democracy is not an effective form of government. It's basically 2 wolves and a sheep trying to determine what to have for dinner.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 02, 2020, 16:34
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

The mental gymnastic conservatives go through to defend an inherently unfair system are entertaining, I guess.

This article came out 2 days before 2016 elections. The purpose was to make Trump look bad for not having much celebrity support. It basically details all the concerts and events Hillary had planned with celebrities. They mentioned how Trump was focused on the swing states while Hillary ignored it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html)

Hillary had the 2016 election in the bag. A series of campaign blunders cost her the election. If you want to blame anyone, blame the person who failed to connect with the people. Hillary played a game of chess and lost and then complained that it wasn't a game of checkers.

She got more votes than any white man in the history of presidential elections, 3 million more than the orange nutcase, 10 million more than Reagan, 18 million more than Nixon, almost 20 million more than her own husband did when he won, yet Trump sits in the white house. The electoral college cost her the election. The electoral college is the reason candidates have to pander to a teeny tiny slice of the electorate instead of the majority of us. The electoral college is why Dubya “won” despite Gore getting more votes. Hillary played a game of chess where the opposing side has two queens and she has none, but it’s her fault for not winning even when she wins. Again, your mental gymnastics are sort of entertaining, but the fact is that the electoral college is stacked unfairly in favor of conservatives, as it was designed to be. And that shows so clearly the morals of this country’s conservatives.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 02, 2020, 16:48
Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesn’t make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

The mental gymnastic conservatives go through to defend an inherently unfair system are entertaining, I guess.

This article came out 2 days before 2016 elections. The purpose was to make Trump look bad for not having much celebrity support. It basically details all the concerts and events Hillary had planned with celebrities. They mentioned how Trump was focused on the swing states while Hillary ignored it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html)

Hillary had the 2016 election in the bag. A series of campaign blunders cost her the election. If you want to blame anyone, blame the person who failed to connect with the people. Hillary played a game of chess and lost and then complained that it wasn't a game of checkers.

She got more votes than any white man in the history of presidential elections, 3 million more than the orange nutcase, 10 million more than Reagan, 18 million more than Nixon, almost 20 million more than her own husband did when he won, yet Trump sits in the white house. The electoral college cost her the election. The electoral college is the reason candidates have to pander to a teeny tiny slice of the electorate instead of the majority of us. The electoral college is why Dubya “won” despite Gore getting more votes. Hillary played a game of chess where the opposing side has two queens and she has none, but it’s her fault for not winning even when she wins. Again, your mental gymnastics are sort of entertaining, but the fact is that the electoral college is stacked unfairly in favor of conservatives, as it was designed to be. And that shows so clearly the morals of this country’s conservatives.

The population grow over time... I know, crazy. I've been stating nothing but facts. I think you're the one with the mental gymnastics because you still can't accept the results of the election or the blunders of Hillary's campaign. Anyone blaming the EC for Hillary's defeat is like someone blaming a cloud for raining on them when they knew it was going to rain beforehand.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: fritz on October 02, 2020, 17:59
Trump has COVID, so what!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Evaristo tenscadisto on October 03, 2020, 12:06
i do not agree the way he leads the situation. such a huge death toll....
Anyway I wish a nice recovery to everybody who caught covid. USA president too. no exception. 
peace
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 03, 2020, 13:22
If indeed, the death tolls are correct. I read a report of how cases are counted, and there are games going on. Less than 1% of the people who get it, die. So most don’t die. (according to cdc. true? who knows, lying has become a national sport under trump) Every year, tens of thousands die from the seasonal flu. Yet I saw no one in my community making a stink about wearing a mask or distancing pre-rona.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 03, 2020, 14:02
You mean, that the covid will disappear after the elections and that it is an invention of the left to blame Trum?
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 03, 2020, 14:12
Luckily a leader will enter in January, because the 2,000,000 deaths were the mathematics by doing NOTHING.
Without health there is no economy, you will feel what it is, at least a decade of economic depression. And I remember each deceased, with name and surname.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 03, 2020, 14:36
I know what you think, by the system, you call an invasion to some desperate people who knew they were not going to cross, and did not cross the border, as it should be.

However, you had your weapon ready to defend the barbecue from the march of women and children. Maybe that's not your ideas? They are by system, systematic repetition of the Bot, eat brains. You love the flag, but you don't care about the deceased from NY, LA, residents of Canada, Baltimore, .... maybe I'm wrong?


Your arguments are so repeated that I know them by heart. Maybe that's not your position?
We have gone from the left, burning cities if Trump wins, to not make a peaceful transition of power. Obviously, the USA is on the right and the Hippies wanting to steal the country from you.

Definitely, you must solve the problem now. Thus, the new generations will have an opportunity to create a country where they can live, instead of hating.
As for climate change, no, it is not an invention of the left to make money.

However, it is possible that you will never evolve, that is, your mind will not change.
Therefore, the USA has said NO. And the change is underway.

It is very sad, that there are adults, that they still compare it to the flu.

It is known where the problem lies in the USA.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 04, 2020, 01:31
If indeed, the death tolls are correct. I read a report of how cases are counted, and there are games going on. Less than 1% of the people who get it, die. So most don’t die. (according to cdc. true? who knows, lying has become a national sport under trump) Every year, tens of thousands die from the seasonal flu. Yet I saw no one in my community making a stink about wearing a mask or distancing pre-rona.

In Spain when covid sends people to hospital 1/5 dies. It's not a flu.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: gillian vann on October 04, 2020, 04:51


If you look at the press of the misnamed Spanish flu, you will see that the second wave was brutal, because the freedom of the alpha male was taken to the judge with his mouth uncovered. And many years have passed to improve these feelings.

 
hmm, i was watching a video of Peak Prosperity (actual scientist dude who is non-partisan who has been across this since February) and he shows the 2nd wave of the 'spanish" flu (actually called The Asian Flu in the usa at the time) wasn't as harsh, due to a multitude of factors.    well worth a look at his videos if you love actual data.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: gillian vann on October 04, 2020, 04:54
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Incorrect. The electoral college is unfairly tilted towards conservatives and was purposely designed that way.

i'm not american and I feel i understand the electoral college better than you do.

let me try this on you: how about we create a world government, and we have an Earth president.  great idea. ok, how shall we set it up? popular vote?  ......
can you perhaps see some flaws in that idea?  I'm sure you might be objecting to such a notion, and you clearly aren't conservative.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 04, 2020, 07:04
We are in 2020 and the information, the data, depends on the country and other factors. Of this pandemic, and of other things. The information from 100 years ago depends on factors as well.
There is a lot written about the great flu pandemic,...... this one works for me, with links to data from US sources.

https://factual.afp.com/la-segunda-ola-de-gripe-espanola-fue-la-mas-letal-pero-no-porque-la-gente-se-despreocupara


My thought is that citizens did not want to wear masks 100 years ago in the USA, which is remarkable in some cities. Like now, it was taken to court. The virus seems to have mutated, and the sanitary and feeding conditions were other conditions.

I was struck by the fact that it was brought before the judge, as an abuse to force people to wear masks, as it happens now.

Very grateful for your comment.


Thanks for your comment. I'll look at that reference of yours.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 04, 2020, 07:14
In the USA you can talk about the second wave, in NY, and specific points. In WI, for example, they have never rounded the curve a bit, therefore it is a Tsunami.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 04, 2020, 13:19
In the USA you can talk about the second wave, in NY, and specific points. In WI, for example, they have never rounded the curve a bit, therefore it is a Tsunami.

If the curve was never peaked, I don't know what to call that. Wisconsin has areas of high concentration of cases, out in the country, less.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/hundreds-turn-out-for-a-flag-day-celebration-parade-in-waubeka (https://www.fox6now.com/news/hundreds-turn-out-for-a-flag-day-celebration-parade-in-waubeka)

(https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox6now.com/www.fox6now.com/content/uploads/2020/07/932/524/cede3e4f-flag1.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

I'm the one with the orange drum and Valerie is waving a flag, behind the color guard. No one wore masks. People fought the closings and small business, bars, re-opened with caution. Many restaurants are still order by phone, curbside.

Milwaukee - 948,000 Pop.
30,092
545
-
Dane (State Capitol)
10,812
43
-
Brown - Green Bay
10,589
69
-
Waukesha - Next to Milwaukee
8,802
93
-
Racine
5,713
98
-
Outagamie
5,645
32
-
Winnebago
4,893
34
-
Kenosha
4,121
68
-
La Crosse
3,427
4
-

Ozaukee
1,553
20

We live in Ozaukee County,  population 86,395, those numbers are since March. The first death was in a nursing home, where a worker from Milwaukee, brought the disease in. They went full lockdown after that. Valerie works elderly care, some in residential some in homes. She takes a quiz every day and everyone is monitored, entering and leaving. Travel is restricted. We can't go to Illinois without coming back and self quarantine for 14 days. Her clients aren't supposed to leave the state, or they will be on 14 day quarantine.

    Wisconsin residents ages five and older are required to wear a face-covering when they are indoors or in an enclosed space with anyone outside their household or living unit.
    Face coverings are strongly recommended if you are outdoors and maintaining physical distancing is not possible.
    Exceptions to the requirement include when an individual is eating, drinking, or swimming.
    Individuals with health conditions or disabilities that would preclude the wearing of a face-covering safely are also exempt from the requirement.


Ozaukee county has decided not to enforce the mask order. BUT... Yes I wear a mask, to shop at any business, checking in to work, and in any enclosed public place. Not when we go out to eat or get a drink. I got tested two weeks ago, negative.  :)  Most people are wearing masks and all stores have signs on the door that masks are required.

There, instead of late second hand news, with a spin, those are the facts.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 13:47
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Incorrect. The electoral college is unfairly tilted towards conservatives and was purposely designed that way.

i'm not american and I feel i understand the electoral college better than you do.

let me try this on you: how about we create a world government, and we have an Earth president.  great idea. ok, how shall we set it up? popular vote?  ......
can you perhaps see some flaws in that idea?  I'm sure you might be objecting to such a notion, and you clearly aren't conservative.

What you feel you understand and what you actually understand are two completely different things.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 04, 2020, 18:28
@ Uncle Pete

Thanks, I know the WI data. I look at them three times a day. Thank you.

My girlfriend is from WI
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: mj007 on October 04, 2020, 18:30
Never forget this summer with the peaceful demonstrators, rioters' and looters . Tens of thousands in many American cities , on many streets and inside stores (looting) without mask. Some of the looters did wear mask. Not much if any talk in the media about the spread of  the virus by these folks. I guess if you riot and loot not much chance of spreading the virus. 
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 04, 2020, 19:01
History repeats itself, looting is a repetition of other riots. It is something to study, something in the collective is turned on, and the masses loot.

Soldiers from other countries are also very interested in the conflict.

The far right infiltrated, breaking glass.



Anti-fascists would not exist if there were no fascists.

The Russian Communists who instilled in you at school have done you a lot of harm. Confusing left as a bad thing.

A few years ago, to divide the planet with Russia, the USA fought against fascism. It is incredible, that it is an export nest to the Swedish elections, Brexit and domestic success, and the others, submissive, because silence them is censorship. And the censorship of the insults to the difference, that is the right to freedom of manipulation, excuse me, the right to freedom of expression.

Dictatorships are all bad.

Surely the virus was spread in the streets in the revolt for justice and the oppression of the citizen. Also in the rallies of Trump and the children asking that the garden stores open, preventing the passage of ambulances. Showing his weapons in the Capitol.

The virus is very clever, it doesn't understand hatred. The virus has disunited you much more. Therefore, the problem of hatred must be solved in order to move forward. And the time is right. A spark made the town take to the street. You don't like it, because the street was owned by a few.

Now, the people will make you understand what it is to live in peace. They're going to teach you what it's like to be a real patriot, not barbecue. Heroes on the streets, fighting for a country where they can live.

The people have said enough to racism, and goodbye to an ancient country.


They defend their elders from the covid and fight for a country for their children, putting their lives in danger, because they are tired.

We applaud the liberation revolt of the American people.
It was time. I never thought I'd see something so big.
There is no going back. USA is going to free itself from the stale. Welcome to today's world.

Good luck in your release.

It is exactly the same to me, those of you who think differently. Fortunately, the American people will show you the way. This is not going to stop.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 04, 2020, 19:11
I am ashamed that there are suicides, for not being able to pay for insulin.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: gillian vann on October 04, 2020, 19:24
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Incorrect. The electoral college is unfairly tilted towards conservatives and was purposely designed that way.

i'm not american and I feel i understand the electoral college better than you do.

let me try this on you: how about we create a world government, and we have an Earth president.  great idea. ok, how shall we set it up? popular vote?  ......
can you perhaps see some flaws in that idea?  I'm sure you might be objecting to such a notion, and you clearly aren't conservative.

What you feel you understand and what you actually understand are two completely different things.

you are welcome to try to explain it... you haven't at all. i've watched plenty of videos on this subject, and i see the spin put on it too.   this system was created to avoid tyranny, and now you have NY and CA suggesting they should be the states to have all the power (via a popular vote). That's approaching a version of tyranny that the founding fathers didn't want to see.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 04, 2020, 19:32
The founding fathers were unaware that the country was going to go to these extremes, and were unaware of the internet.

Making two countries can be a solution of peace. It's the sensible thing to do. So that the next 400 are not the same.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 04, 2020, 20:35
The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Incorrect. The electoral college is unfairly tilted towards conservatives and was purposely designed that way.

i'm not american and I feel i understand the electoral college better than you do.

let me try this on you: how about we create a world government, and we have an Earth president.  great idea. ok, how shall we set it up? popular vote?  ......
can you perhaps see some flaws in that idea?  I'm sure you might be objecting to such a notion, and you clearly aren't conservative.

What you feel you understand and what you actually understand are two completely different things.

you are welcome to try to explain it... you haven't at all. i've watched plenty of videos on this subject, and i see the spin put on it too.   this system was created to avoid tyranny, and now you have NY and CA suggesting they should be the states to have all the power (via a popular vote). That's approaching a version of tyranny that the founding fathers didn't want to see.

The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person. Of course, slaves couldn’t vote...only white male landowners could. But they were added to their “master’s” vote anyway, without their knowledge and against their will. The electoral college was all about slavery.

California wasn’t part of the United States at the time, and wouldn’t become a state for decades. So nobody was worried about New York and California having all the power. Today, California, Texas and Florida are the three most populous states...one blue, the other two red. And California didn’t turn blue until the 1990’s, almost 150 years after it became part of the United States. So please stop the nonsense about New York and California having all the power.

The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: gillian vann on October 05, 2020, 03:35



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on October 05, 2020, 05:22



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.
?
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on October 05, 2020, 05:51
The electoral college has nothing to do with preventing repression in the way described. No one with a knowledge of history would make that argument in good faith.

It has to do with preventing people electing a despot. Electors can act as a break to the election of a loony populist (using the term in it's current colloquial usage, not a historically accurate use of the term populist).

The electors should represent the number of voters in a state. They only don’t due to demographic changes and the way slave owners managed to get slaves counted as Shelma said.

The only people making the argument that it is preventing “tyranny of the majority” in the way described in this thread are people that are either ignorant, or like Tucker Carlson, simply making the argument cynically so their team can hold on to power (incidentally Fox has just once again made the defence in open court that you would have to be a ****ing idiot to believe anything they say https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9?r=US&IR=T (https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9?r=US&IR=T) and people are still spouting this nonsense and watching that ***p, why any grown up wants to spoken to like they are a pet dog or toddler is beyond me).

There is literally no reason the Electoral college shouldn’t be rebalanced every four years to reflect the size of population in each state.

Here is a brief intro for anyone interested https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention (https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention)

So yeah, there’s valid reasons as to why it exists, but the current weighting is based on slavery and racism.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 05, 2020, 06:12
Although the 51st state is not achieved right now, it is known that it is a matter of years that the population movement turns in favor of an unfavorable electoral count of the red.

You can spend your whole life arguing, always the same arguments. The same.

Now with the virus there is death and the end of world hegemony.


The USA does not count abroad, since it is known that it can appoint anyone as president.

From here, decades of suffering, starting next month, that the world will experience many deaths from covid, in a historic autumn and winter.



It doesn't matter if you don't want civil war, or separate the country. Trump has managed to unite the country, being blue. And leaving the irrecoverable red lights, smaller and smaller, isolated and silenced.

EU forced multinationals to expel and remove the Hate Speech from the internet. Therefore, your minds begin to hear more news and less nonsense.

For decades, until the lost generations of mind disappear from this world, the hatred will continue. Decades.

The solution, as Trump, well knows, is to put the flag in the school and explain his concept of Patriot, or else, teach the children that two men can go to school and pick up the child, and be a family.


It's a matter of decades anyway.

The multinationals do what the constitutional court did not do. Nobody wants to legislate hatred, simply, it must be eliminated from the public exaltation of hatred.


Your minors are being attacked with negative information.


Decades, a problem to be solved today. If you want and you feel like it.

Trump has revealed something that was clear, like every empire, an empire without health, dies. Now the rich also want healthy people to serve them dinner. The little red lights will already learn what it is to live and let live.

The majority no longer dares to say that they vote for Trump, it is not fashionable.

Only four with flags make noise, paid.
Title: ! !
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on October 05, 2020, 08:22



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

Ah, that old chestnut... which you've got wrong! What you meant to say was was the 'mistaken belief that the Republicans were the slave owners', not the conservatives. It was always the conservatives who defended slavery, they just went by a different name back then. 
Title: Re: ! !
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 05, 2020, 10:45

Ah, that old chestnut... which you've got wrong! What you meant to say was was the 'mistaken belief that the Republicans were the slave owners', not the conservatives. It was always the conservatives who defended slavery, they just went by a different name back then.

Yeah, Southern Democrats?

Oh wait they traded an end to Reconstruction, and removal of Federal troops after the Civil War, for the Presidency, gave it to the Republicans. Those wonderful Democrats who didn't want to end slavery, didn't want equal rights, the same people who not only oppressed the Blacks but segregated them, blocked voting rights, and didn't want school integration.

The South had extra seats in the Electoral College because of its slaves. Yeah those slave owners again and the Democrats. Eight of the first nine presidential elections were won by candidates who were plantation owners from Virginia, then America’s biggest state. Note for those from other countries who like to dabble in being critical of American politics, Virginia was on the Confederacy side of the secession and the civil war.

The Republican Party, was founded in 1848 with the abolition of slavery as its core mission. Almost immediately after its second presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln, won the 1860 election, Democrat-controlled southern states seceded on the assumption that Lincoln would destroy their slave-based economies.

After the Republicans dragged the South and the Democrats, by their heels, into equal legal rights for all American citizens, allowing blacks to vote and an end to segregation, then the Democrats suddenly became the party of the minorities? Wow what a bunch of hypocrites. They didn't desegregate the party until the middle 1960s.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: House support 61% Democrat, 81% Republican. Senate 69% Democrat, 82% Republican. Democrats in the same era were also against granting voting rights to Blacks.

Biden speaking in 1975, advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing “their own identity.”

Don't believe the re-writing of history, without looking at the documented facts.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on October 05, 2020, 11:07
Yeah, you seem to have completely missed the point of my post! I'm not debating any of that, but back in the day the republicans were liberal and the democrats were conservative. Shelma got a bit confused and was trying to imply that liberals were the slave owners and conservatives were the ones fighting for abolition... when the truth is that the democrats were slave owners and the republicans were fighting for abolition. That would be splitting hairs if Republicans were still liberal and democrats were still conservative... but they're not. From around the 1930s to the 1960s there was near enough a complete role reversal.

But yeah, Republicans love to roll out that old argument every once in a while... as some kind of evidence that the republican party is fair, and just and wonderful. But it's not 1860 any more. Things have changed... considerably. The majority of modern-day Republicans would want nothing to do with the Republicans of the 1800s.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 05, 2020, 13:29
Yeah, you seem to have completely missed the point of my post! I'm not debating any of that, but back in the day the republicans were liberal and the democrats were conservative. Shelma got a bit confused and was trying to imply that liberals were the slave owners and conservatives were the ones fighting for abolition... when the truth is that the democrats were slave owners and the republicans were fighting for abolition. That would be splitting hairs if Republicans were still liberal and democrats were still conservative... but they're not. From around the 1930s to the 1960s there was near enough a complete role reversal.

But yeah, Republicans love to roll out that old argument every once in a while... as some kind of evidence that the republican party is fair, and just and wonderful. But it's not 1860 any more. Things have changed... considerably. The majority of modern-day Republicans would want nothing to do with the Republicans of the 1800s.

I didn't get confused. I called them conservatives and slave owners, which they were at the time, and said today Republican losers go to the White House, which is true, because today conservatives are called Republicans. We all know the Democratic and Republican parties flipped, and the slave-owning conservatives who were once called Democrats are now called Republicans.

At least we in the U.S. know that...someone who's from Australia is here trying to correct my knowledge of U.S. history and has watched a few right-leaning videos about the electoral college, so she "feels" she knows the electoral college better than Americans, and also feels the need to "correct" me with her sparse misunderstanding of it. That's what happens when you watch far right propaganda videos and don't understand another country's history.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 05, 2020, 13:53



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on October 05, 2020, 14:05
I didn't get confused.

Wait... I got confused! I get it now. I thought it was you that said the "...your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners..." thing, but I see that was Gillian's post now. That's why I was all like 'well, actually...'

Sorry!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 05, 2020, 18:08

 
The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person. Of course, slaves couldn’t vote...only white male landowners could. But they were added to their “master’s” vote anyway, without their knowledge and against their will. The electoral college was all about slavery.

California wasn’t part of the United States at the time, and wouldn’t become a state for decades. So nobody was worried about New York and California having all the power. Today, California, Texas and Florida are the three most populous states...one blue, the other two red. And California didn’t turn blue until the 1990’s, almost 150 years after it became part of the United States. So please stop the nonsense about New York and California having all the power.

The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
It was the Senate, not the electoral college that formed the 'great compromise' with southern slave-owners.  The EC was devised by both North & South reasoning well beyond the slave question. They believed that those they called 'mechanics' (proto-working class artisans, tradesmen ,carpenters, etc) could not govern since they lacked property & education   

From Jeffrey Rosen's Atlantic article:
>>>
To prevent factions from distorting public policy and threatening liberty, Madison resolved to exclude the people from a direct role in government. .. [and explained further in the Federalist Papers, particularly #1] ...The Framers designed the American constitutional system not as a direct democracy but as a representative republic, where enlightened delegates of the people would serve the public good.

The Senate would comprise natural aristocrats chosen by state legislators rather than elected by the people. And rather than directly electing the chief executive, the people would vote for wise electors—that is, propertied white men—who would ultimately choose a president of the highest character and most discerning judgment.
<<<
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/james-madison-mob-rule/568351/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/james-madison-mob-rule/568351/)
Title: Re: ! !
Post by: cascoly on October 05, 2020, 18:22
  ..,.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: House support 61% Democrat, 81% Republican. Senate 69% Democrat, 82% Republican. Democrats in the same era were also against granting voting rights to Blacks....

but the 'democrats' were a divided party &  it was the democratic president, LBJ who pushed thru Civil Rights & voter rights bills in '64 & '65

the republican party of the time contained both moderates & conservatives - people like rockefeller, hatfield, lindsay, brooke & javits

it was the dixie-crats who opposed LBJ and largely transmogrified into republicans under Nixon's southern strategy in the late 60sd.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 05, 2020, 18:30
when the truth is that the democrats were slave owners and the republicans were fighting for abolition. That would be splitting hairs if Republicans were still liberal and democrats were still conservative... but they're not. From around the 1930s to the 1960s there was near enough a complete role reversal. ... The majority of modern-day Republicans would want nothing to do with the Republicans of the 1800s.
only about 1/4 of southerners were slave owners

and the republicans were late comers to abolition, since the party didnt form til just before the civil war - for years there had been people like J Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster who led congressional battles of the 1820s and onward
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 05, 2020, 18:32
...
Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans.
...

FDR??
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 05, 2020, 18:46
... No one with a knowledge of history would make that argument in good faith.

It has to do with preventing people electing a despot. Electors can act as a break to the election of a loony populist (using the term in it's current colloquial usage, not a historically accurate use of the term populist).

The electors should represent the number of voters in a state. They only don’t due to demographic changes and the way slave owners managed to get slaves counted as Shelma said.

No one with a knowledge of history would make that argument in good faith.
The electoral college was NEVER designed to represent all the people in a state.

Quote
The only people making the argument that it is preventing “tyranny of the majority” in the way described in this thread are people that are either ignorant..

people like James Madison who makes precisely that argument in tbe Federalist Papers?

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There is literally no reason the Electoral college shouldn’t be rebalanced every four years to reflect the size of population in each state.

but we DO rebalance every 10 years -- the Constitution requires a census  primarily to redistribute representatives based on changing population. but it also prevents a true rebalancing  since it gives 2 votes to states with <1,000,000 & those with >40,000,000 and that can't be changed w/o an amendment
 
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: jjneff on October 05, 2020, 20:10
Oh FUN, Can I play :-) Please wear a mask if you feel you need too!!! Please don't wear one if you don't feel you need to. I will love and support your free choice either way. Will I wear one, if they ask yes if they don't care no I am pretty easy to get along with. Now what are we missing from my medical training ohh you mean washing your hands is more important?? AHHH YES but go ahead and don't wash your hands grab your mask wear it to a bunch of stores keep touching it and then go out for dinner. Just remember your mask kept you safe. Or better yet wear it on your chin or below your nose and feel safe. All is good.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on October 06, 2020, 02:35
...ohh you mean washing your hands is more important?? ...
Everything I've seen has airborne transmission as the primary form. Could you please link to a recent paper making the case that hand-washing is more important than wearing masks?
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on October 06, 2020, 02:49
... No one with a knowledge of history would make that argument in good faith.

It has to do with preventing people electing a despot. Electors can act as a break to the election of a loony populist (using the term in it's current colloquial usage, not a historically accurate use of the term populist).

The electors should represent the number of voters in a state. They only don’t due to demographic changes and the way slave owners managed to get slaves counted as Shelma said.

No one with a knowledge of history would make that argument in good faith.
The electoral college was NEVER designed to represent all the people in a state.

Quote
The only people making the argument that it is preventing “tyranny of the majority” in the way described in this thread are people that are either ignorant..

people like James Madison who makes precisely that argument in tbe Federalist Papers?

Quote
There is literally no reason the Electoral college shouldn’t be rebalanced every four years to reflect the size of population in each state.

but we DO rebalance every 10 years -- the Constitution requires a census  primarily to redistribute representatives based on changing population. but it also prevents a true rebalancing  since it gives 2 votes to states with <1,000,000 & those with >40,000,000 and that can't be changed w/o an amendment

Great response, and actually sorry for my rant especially the tone of it. I disagree with some of what you said though.

From Prof. G. Alan Tarr of Rutgers University:
"...Another common belief is that the convention rejected popular election of the president because the delegates feared majority tyranny...But, once again, this interpretation of history is wrong. The convention did twice reject popular election of the president. But the delegates who rejected it did not object to popular elections per se—they had no problem with popular election of the House of Representatives or state legislatures. Rather, they were skeptical of a national popular election, primarily for reasons that are no longer relevant today.

First, they feared that people would lack the information to make an informed choice as to who might be an appropriate candidate for the presidency or who might be the best choice among candidates. Thus George Mason of Virginia claimed, “It would be as unnatural to refer the choice of a proper candidate for chief Magistrate to the people, as it would be to refer a trial of colours to a blind man.”

But his reason was that “the extent of the Country renders it impossible that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the Candidates.” In such circumstances, he thought, voters would naturally gravitate to candidates from their own state. Delegates who favored popular election replied that “the increasing intercourse among the people of the states would render important characters less and less unknown,” and that “continental characters will multiply as we more or more coalesce,” reducing state parochialism. Today, with mass communication and interminable campaigns, lack of information is no longer a problem.

Second, some southern delegates feared that popular election of the president would disadvantage their states. James Madison noted that, given less restrictive voting laws, “the right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern states,” which would give them an advantage in a popular election. Beyond that, a popular vote would not count the disenfranchised enslaved population, reducing southern influence.

The Electoral College solved both those problems, awarding electoral votes based on a state’s population, not its electorate, and importing the three-fifths compromise into presidential elections. The effects were immediate and dramatic—in 1800 John Adams would have defeated Thomas Jefferson had only free persons been counted in awarding electoral votes. Obviously, these concerns no longer apply, although popular election would encourage states to increase their influence by expanding their electorate, while the Electoral College offers no such incentive.

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 06, 2020, 09:31
Oh FUN, Can I play :-) Please wear a mask if you feel you need too!!! Please don't wear one if you don't feel you need to. I will love and support your free choice either way. Will I wear one, if they ask yes if they don't care no I am pretty easy to get along with. Now what are we missing from my medical training ohh you mean washing your hands is more important?? AHHH YES but go ahead and don't wash your hands grab your mask wear it to a bunch of stores keep touching it and then go out for dinner. Just remember your mask kept you safe. Or better yet wear it on your chin or below your nose and feel safe. All is good.

Thank you for being reasonable and leaving the politics out of this.

Everyone play safe, wear your masks, wash your hands, and think of the other people, who might be more seriously effected health-wise if someone selfish is inconsiderate and doesn't care if they transmit or cause a big outbreak. One of the local deniers got the virus and he had no symptoms, he works food delivery. Imagine that, someone going from store to store passing on the virus to destination after destination.

Yes, I do agree, it is free choice, but I advocate that people be responsible and think of someone elderly or with a weaker immune system, that catching Covid-19 could kill them. That's beyond oneself and why people should do the right things and be careful, not because there's a mandate, or because they reject the mandate.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 06, 2020, 10:45
Oh FUN, Can I play :-) Please wear a mask if you feel you need too!!! Please don't wear one if you don't feel you need to. I will love and support your free choice either way. Will I wear one, if they ask yes if they don't care no I am pretty easy to get along with. Now what are we missing from my medical training ohh you mean washing your hands is more important?? AHHH YES but go ahead and don't wash your hands grab your mask wear it to a bunch of stores keep touching it and then go out for dinner. Just remember your mask kept you safe. Or better yet wear it on your chin or below your nose and feel safe. All is good.

Thank you for being reasonable and leaving the politics out of this.

Everyone play safe, wear your masks, wash your hands, and think of the other people, who might be more seriously effected health-wise if someone selfish is inconsiderate and doesn't care if they transmit or cause a big outbreak. One of the local deniers got the virus and he had no symptoms, he works food delivery. Imagine that, someone going from store to store passing on the virus to destination after destination.

Yes, I do agree, it is free choice, but I advocate that people be responsible and think of someone elderly or with a weaker immune system, that catching Covid-19 could kill them. That's beyond oneself and why people should do the right things and be careful, not because there's a mandate, or because they reject the mandate.

Stop already. Should I go on a diet to lose weight for the person standing next to me who is obese? Personal responsibility. If someone is immune system-compromised, they need to stay home. Or wear a mask. Or whatever they need to do to protect themselves. And take responsibility for their own health. It isn’t my responsibility to know everyone’s health issues and change my life to try and protect them. Reminds me of the parents who expect the whole school to give up peanuts or anything with even the smell of peanuts because their child has a peanut allergy.

If someone is scared and worried about catching a virus, THEY should stay in their bubble. The whole world shouldn’t have to live in bubbles. Where does it stop? I will demand they stop traffic on the streets whenever I drive, because I’m afraid of getting hit by a car. I gain weight when I drink soda, so therefore soda should be banned for everybody. A healthy person being expected to wear a mask because of some “maybe” danger to someone else is just as ludicrous.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 06, 2020, 11:39
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“maybe” danger
  :o
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 06, 2020, 11:45
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“maybe” danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? No, they don’t. Yes, “maybe” danger.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 11:51
Instead of repeating the well-placed beautiful words that your spirit guide indicates to misinform you every morning on Twitter, to everyone you can, I must tell you to take the calculator with that 1% of Americans that you have left.

Spend less time spreading misinformation and meditate. But I do not think they will let her or she can, her denials mind does not allow it, it is due to the cause.

I don't think he will change his mind, but society is isolating him, there are very few of you left. Every day less, and when the right to information is legislated, and fake News are punished, society will enact less nonsense. You have no solution, but the minors do. Minors must be isolated from such cheap comic characters who parrot misinformation.

Take good care of yourself, the great patriot and strong American, viruses do not affect you. The flag protects you. To you and yours.

Fortunately, Americans perceive the danger to health and the great risk they live for people who think like you. It is because of you, thank you, that the purge of the uninformed has begun. The manipulation has reached millions of Americans, think that Trump has become President of the USA.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 06, 2020, 12:22
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“maybe” danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 12:33
One in three American athletes is suspected of having problems with the nervous system, organs such as the heart, and it is a virus that is unknown.

If you think Trump is safe, the answer is NO. Theater and more theater. The next few hours are essential to know its real state. As for the physical consequences, after January, he will have to queue at Obamacare to be treated while he goes to the extensive list of lawsuits that accumulate.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 06, 2020, 13:02



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: ShadySue on October 06, 2020, 13:07
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“maybe” danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 06, 2020, 13:16



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 06, 2020, 14:28



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

Roll your eyes all you want, but history tells the truth. Of the 21 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act in 1964, only 1 of them switched parties and became a Republican. The other 20 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act remained Democrats until their service came to and end.

The only thing that changed was the voting Demographics, which slowly shifted in the south to become more Republican. Republicans values has remained fairly consistent in the last century. It's still the party of individual liberties, free market capitalism, property rights, constitutionalism and racial integration...yes racial integration.

Republicans judge people by their values. Democrats judge people by their skin color, which is basically the definition of racism. Republicans welcomes people of all races as long as they have the same values. Democrats will call you a race traitor the moment they try to think differently.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 06, 2020, 14:53



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

Roll your eyes all you want, but history tells the truth. Of the 21 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act in 1964, only 1 of them switched parties and became a Republican. The other 20 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights Act remained Democrats until their service came to and end.

The only thing that changed was the voting Demographics, which slowly shifted in the south to become more Republican. Republicans values has remained fairly consistent in the last century. It's still the party of individual liberties, free market capitalism, property rights, constitutionalism and racial integration...yes racial integration.

Republicans judge people by their values. Democrats judge people by their skin color, which is basically the definition of racism. Republicans welcomes people of all races as long as they have the same values. Democrats will call you a race traitor the moment they try to think differently.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 15:16
True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 06, 2020, 15:28
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“maybe” danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 06, 2020, 15:33
True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

MLK also had a dream... "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why don't you tell me how kneeling before the anthem changed the country for the better? All I see is division and tension. It's an empty gesture that has not improved the lives of black people in any kind of way. It's as empty as removing Uncle Ben from product packaging. Nobody wants to acknowlege any real issues and address them in a meaningful way. All I see are people who are addicted to outrage and pretend they're morally righteous.

If they're real patriots, they would not be burning the American flag and sometimes carry the flags of communists from decades past.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

He also gets 24/7 Secret Service and plenty of other perks. That's what every president enjoyed since the first president became president.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 15:43
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“maybe” danger
  :o

Do 100% of people get it? Yes, maybe danger.

Not everyting in life is a political war. Trump has a huge team of doctors for himself. We don't.
A team which has so little to do otherwise that they can just stand around behind the doctor who speaks to the press.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.


When Trump was born, he already received an intense course in lamps that are inserted through the anus and eliminate viruses. You also know the effect of bleach and disinfectant baths. The doctors would like me to listen to them. TO POTU, as if a huge asteroid is coming against the earth. His goal is not to lose to the sleeper in four years of presidency. He does not care about the virus or the doctors.

He is Trump. Pure North American. Invincible and great. You don't need doctors. You need not to lose to the cowardly sleepyhead hiding in the basement and entertain narrow minds with memes of Pelosi's eyebrows, anything that makes those who have a hard time thinking for themselves laugh. The rest, viruses, deaths or aid for the people, for rents and food, he does not care.

The subject is very entertaining, if it weren't for the fact that each dead person has a name and surname.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 15:51
True, it's funny, the sad thing is that there are people who believe it. You don't care if your taxes are wasted on hairdressing consultants, expert orange makeup consultants. Of course, to the other races, nothing of a health test.
What a time when a real president like Obama had expert Ebola advisers, instead of twitter experts.

I had a dream. I have seen false patriots, who did not live better 100 years ago, but they like to pretend that they lived better and to dream that they are genuine Americans. Without evolving thoughts in 100 years. Wrapped in a flag so that the smell of fast food fried chicken does not pass, showing their weapons on the street, since at home, no one hears them anymore.

And I've seen real patriots. Women and men of all races, who love their country and kneel before the anthem because they want to change their country for the better.

The international community is vigilant in the face of a non-peaceful transfer of powers.

As for Russia, it is about to achieve its goal. In addition, he knows that he should not bring arms, the people are already armed and both parties are ready. Only one spark is missing.

Today I had a dream.

MLK also had a dream... "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why don't you tell me how kneeling before the anthem changed the country for the better? All I see is division and tension. It's an empty gesture that has not improved the lives of black people in any kind of way. It's as empty as removing Uncle Ben from product packaging. Nobody wants to acknowlege any real issues and address them in a meaningful way. All I see are people who are addicted to outrage and pretend they're morally righteous.

If they're real patriots, they would not be burning the American flag and sometimes carry the flags of communists from decades past.

In the TV images at the White House we all can see Trump can't breath properly. He has received a new treatment, not avaiable for anyone else.

He also gets 24/7 Secret Service and plenty of other perks. That's what every president enjoyed since the first president became president.


I'm not going to explain anything to you because you don't want to learn anything. I do not believe that blacks cannot be given a weapon because they know no more than to kill. I don't think they should be given a stick instead of a gun and sent to Africa.

I'm sure no one thinks that way. And it's the media and 8chan that intoxicates my mind.

Seeing your face, before the hymn, must be a poem.

I am not going to explain anything to you, since the process of evolution in the USA has begun. And this time, it's not going to be a temporary patch, it really needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 16:08
Less flags and more health. If the American people decide to throw all their statues into Lake Michigan, a new flag in Mississippi, a police force of the people, for all and universal health and decide to enjoy paid vacations..... enjoy it too.

 I can send you a statue of Colon if you want it. I'm not interested in statues, flags, I'm interested in the people in general.

Ask the heroes to leave those statues in your garden and let the American people put up the statues they decide as a whole in the future.


And very importantly, get used to seeing gay families. And fight to improve the country, do not stay with the themes of the 50s. We are in 2020.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Dave on October 06, 2020, 18:46
what we have to remember here is that the USA is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, when you look at the stats, 4% of people have passports, 50 or 60 million people do not have health care, this is a country where if you are taken to hospital the first thing they ask is if you have health care.
The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.
The last Pres election was rigged using BIG DATA to manipulate voters, right done to blocks in suburbs, not cities, this is how desperate they are, if yoy think I am kidding look up "voter Deterrence".

Come on, wake up.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 06, 2020, 18:56
Amen, totally agree and many other things.

There are people who leave the hospital and do not have an address to deliver the bill, they have been evicted, in addition to not being able to pay for rehabilitation.

Fortunately, it is time. I never thought I could see the USA gets it. But it seems that the people have said Enough Now!!
I never thought of seeing in life, even the slightest change towards a country to live. I was wrong, the USA is going to get it.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Milleflore on October 07, 2020, 06:21



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Milleflore on October 07, 2020, 06:43
The White House has become a goddam petri dish! At least 17 people in the WH have tested positive to Covid in the past few days. 
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 07, 2020, 07:05
They should sue the good old Donald.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Zero Talent on October 07, 2020, 09:30

The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 10:28

The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.

Because slaves couldn’t vote. So counting them means votes were cast by their “masters” on their behalf. They had no say in the matter. Instead of one person (white man), one vote, you had one person (white man), hundreds of votes. This gave slave holders even more reason to enslave as many people as possible, because every person they enslaved gave them more power. Of course the south didn’t want slavery to end. It was the source of all their wealth, and the source of their voting and governing power.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Zero Talent on October 07, 2020, 11:02

The electoral college was formed because slave owners in the south wanted more power. The southern states had far fewer white male landowners than states in the north. So slave owner James Madison came up with the electoral college, which at the time counted each slave as 3/5 of a person.

I'm not a fan of the electoral college, but for the sake of the information integrity, the northern states wanted to count a slave as no person, while the southern states wanted to count a slave as a full person.
3/5th of a person ended up being a political compromise.

Because slaves couldn’t vote. So counting them means votes were cast by their “masters” on their behalf. They had no say in the matter. Instead of one person (white man), one vote, you had one person (white man), hundreds of votes. This gave slave holders even more reason to enslave as many people as possible, because every person they enslaved gave them more power. Of course the south didn’t want slavery to end. It was the source of all their wealth, and the source of their voting and governing power.

Exactly. Of course, the slaves didn't have the right to vote. Both sides played political games.

However, the southern states tried to get the slaves counted as part of the population, while the northern states didn't want that. For the northern states, the slaves were not part of the population.

Women were in a similar situation: counted as part of the population, but not allowed to vote. Neither in the northern states nor in the southern states. 

Speaking about the right to vote for non-white races, that was out of the question, before the Civil War, even in the northern states. This is what Lincoln said about it:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites.

So white men had much that one vote for themselves, even in the northern states.

Anyway, in my book, counting slaves and women as full persons and part of the population is more progressive than neglecting them or considering them only 3/5 of a person.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 12:54
Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, it’s important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they weren’t hypocrites...they didn’t consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldn’t count when it came to voting. White men in the south didn’t consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: YadaYadaYada on October 07, 2020, 13:51



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped. That's the biggest myth perpetrated by the left because they're so ashamed of their history. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow. All they did was change their strategy, but they still used the same tactics today. If you look at the values of the Republican party for the last 100 years, the values are still the same. Instead of keeping blacks on the plantation, Democrats just keep them on welfare and public assistance. Shifting from one from of control to another.

 ::)

Democratic revisionist history claiming the parties flipped. The Democrat's saw the Republicans getting votes in the South from minority groups and they wanted those. This is all about votes and power. LBJ was right to stand up to the Dixiecrats who didn't support him or civil rights. The Klan and the Southern Democrat's didn't switch in the 60s, that took decades of slow change. The Republican's started out supporting civil rights and still do. How's that a flip?
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: YadaYadaYada on October 07, 2020, 13:54
Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, it’s important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they weren’t hypocrites...they didn’t consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldn’t count when it came to voting. White men in the south didn’t consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

Power all about power.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Zero Talent on October 07, 2020, 17:15
Yes, counting all people as actual people is more progressive. However, it’s important to point out that the only reason enslaved people were counted as 3/5 of a person was because slave owners wanted more power. It had nothing to do with recognizing black people as actual human beings with their own rights, especially the right to vote the way they wanted to.

Not that white men in the north were much better at the time. But at least you could say they weren’t hypocrites...they didn’t consider anyone but themselves real people, so in their twisted minds all of us non-people shouldn’t count when it came to voting. White men in the south didn’t consider anyone but white male landowners as people either...except when it came to voting, and then suddenly they wanted them included...but not to be able to actually vote themselves.

Actually, hypocrisy was on both sides, since both sides were jockeying for more power.

Black folks from the northern states were counted as part of the population but didn't have the right to vote. That gave white males from the northern states more vote power per capita than they were ready to accept for their southern counterparts since they didn't want to consider black folks from the southern states as "population".

BTW, speaking about hypocrisy, Lincoln's emancipation was only valid for the slaves from the southern states, because he had no control there, anymore. He didn't free the slaves from the border states, like Maryland, Delaware, etc (which were slave states, but part of the Union), because he didn't want to lose the political support from these states.

When you want rules applied only to others but not to yourself, that's hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 07, 2020, 17:23



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Milleflore on October 07, 2020, 18:32



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 07, 2020, 18:44



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Milleflore on October 07, 2020, 18:53



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 07, 2020, 19:01
In conclusion. Trump won the election. The American people decided who their president was.

And it seems that the political rivals did not put a political animal, a young man with charisma, they did not think that this situation was going to come. Anyone except Trump.

Fascinating.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 07, 2020, 19:10



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.

If the US goes too far left, it's going to affect me and everyone else. Too many people lack common sense, and doesn't look at the consequences. People here complaining about a rate cut from SS, but totally oblivious to the fact that many Americans will be losing quit a bit of their income if too many of the far-left policies get implemented. I'm talking about paying over $5,000 extra in taxes per year for the middle class... maybe more.

The US will go down a toilet or turn into a toilet, like many Democrat-run cities if we don't follow common-sense policies. Most people only want to have feel-good policies, but guess what, this is what happens when the bleeding hearts have too much control. And yes, this affects me. I live in the SF area.

Homelessness in LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzWSowCz_Ow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzWSowCz_Ow)

Chaos by the Bay: The Truth About Homelessness in San Francisco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8MACDZ3RI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8MACDZ3RI)

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 07, 2020, 19:17
We will listen to Kamala, there is a possibility that she will be the next President of the USA.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Milleflore on October 07, 2020, 19:18



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.


Wow! All the bullying tricks coming out. Take a statement and twist it. I didnt say I didnt understand it, I said "I didnt care about YOUR PREJUDICES".

Calm down, man. Stop the hate. Its hurting you too because you cant be objective.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 07, 2020, 19:24



The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...there’s absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.


Wow! All the bullying tricks coming out. Take a statement and twist it. I didnt say I didnt understand it, I said "I didnt care about YOUR PREJUDICES".

Calm down, man. Stop the hate. Its hurting you too because you cant be objective.

You called me prejudiced first, and when I say something back, you get all flustered and called me a "bully".

It's pretty clear you don't want to engage in conversation, just name calling and then pretend to be the victim.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Shelma1 on October 07, 2020, 19:38
Just a reminder that Trump has the rona. Maybe. Wonder how Chris Christie’s doing?
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on October 08, 2020, 06:39
This thread is a great reminder to get out there in a hazmat suit and VOTE!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 08, 2020, 07:19
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  The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.   

LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump’s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 08, 2020, 08:33
The aforementioned, Trump, is the president, because that is how the people have decided.

It seems that there are still adult Americans, with the right to vote, who defend it. This is the problem. And it must be solved now, so as not to continue like this forever.

I hope that Biden, legislate on the Right to Information, and bring to the judge those who lie in public. Manipulating is not informing. Legislating Hate speech, insulting feminists, is not acceptable for minors to consume. We are responsible when we drive, on the internet, we are responsible for our words.

Eliminating manipulation, leading the judge to lie in public. Taking to the judge whoever insults a transsexual. And abide by the law of decades of abortion. You will ensure that the internet is not a transmission of hate.

Without hatred, the country will be able to advance. And if they do not like that the entire population is treated equally in health, they must be taught from school, less communism is bad and more real solidarity. Donate is to give alms of what is left over. There is a lot of work, there are still people who support Trump.

Pence talks about the work being above the planet. They still do not know that we are attacked by a global pandemic against humanity, there is no work without people's health. And second without planet, there is nothing. You are isolated and alone. The damage that you have done to yourself is so serious that it is difficult for you to recover one day as leaders of the planet.

Raise taxes on families? As long as the rich pay, there is money to spare.


End of the American empire, not by Trump, by American society, which has been able to name a Trump president of the USA. It seems science fiction, but it is real, Trump has become president of the USA.

Hatred blinds people. They have not yet found out that humanity is under attack.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 08, 2020, 08:46
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  The aforementioned, Trump, is the president, because that is how the people have decided.   

You can say that a billion times, but it still doesn’t make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and it’s aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 08, 2020, 09:05
You'll see how with this electoral system, which of course is unfair, from my point of view for thousands of reasons, for example, the DC state.
From here, you will see how in November, if authoritarianism allows the people to vote, you will see, how no more than his family votes for Trump, the lonely, isolated people who report on fascist blogs, the uninformed, and those who charge money.

Ordinary citizens, with common sense, will not vote for Trump. With 4 years, it has been more than enough, for the people to say, enough already.
You'll see, if they let you vote, how the votes come out, totally blue. Of course, you will need the generals of the army to access the white house in January.

In addition, you will have a social revolt in the streets, of those, with free time, who teach weapons in public, because at home, no one listens to them. These people do not accept that their country is stolen from them. They think that the country, the anthem, the flag is theirs.
You have many problems. And very serious. They talk about the flu, anything, as long as they stay in power, crushing and exploiting the citizen.

Trump is not president because he was voted in Argentina or Canada. It was the USA that has placed a comedian and showman in the White House.

It does not matter exactly the same, how is the electoral law, anyone will win, except Trump.

And in November we will say, the American people have expelled Trump from the White House, with this totally unfair system of elections.

It is so unfair that instead of making politics for the people, they are dedicated to asking for donations to continue * milk from the cow for free during the four years. Perpetual elections, perennial. Less electoral campaign and more politics for the people.

Hunger, evictions, suicides, addictions, .....

There is a lot of work.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 08, 2020, 09:29
After the Second World War, while Spain was starving under a military dictatorship, the USA sent us powdered milk for the children at school.

The international community will help you now, that you are going to live a period of important transition towards freedom.

You are going to modify and reform the country. Restart, according to the current time. And you must heal the wounds of the past and evolve.

You must fight to become a great country again. You have already lost hegemony.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 08, 2020, 10:22

The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.

Come on, wake up.

Now tell the truth please? Formerly convicted felons lost the right to vote. FL passed an amendment restoring their rights, if they paid their outstanding fines from the crimes. You twisted the truth to make it sound like people with simple fines couldn't vote.

The ballot measure restored voting rights to felons who have completed "all terms of their sentence, including parole or probation." It excludes those convicted of murder or sexual offenses.

"The only reason you're paying restitution is because you were convicted of a felony."

Restitution
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: gillian vann on October 10, 2020, 04:18
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  The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.   

LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump’s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄

you are suggesting Trump's rallies come with violence? you should google Dr Karlyn Borysenko. she was a lefty who went to a Trump rally.

If the election were about 'who acts like the nicest person" then sure, Biden will win. although Mike Pence seems nice enough too, after watching that VP debate.

but look at the verb "acts". Trump isn't acting, he can't fake it. he's so * real. The politicians have been at it so long they don't know how to be real anymore. I really loved Andrew Yang, he seemed to be the leader the whole world needed, but the media and the Dems squashed him, even though he had so much grassroots and online support.
this election is a joke: between the has-been and the Loudmouth.  I reckon we call can agree on that.

But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: ShadySue on October 10, 2020, 08:38
But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
For sure, the rest of the world doesn't need an anti-science climate change denier.
Title: Re: ! !
Post by: mj007 on October 10, 2020, 14:51

Ah, that old chestnut... which you've got wrong! What you meant to say was was the 'mistaken belief that the Republicans were the slave owners', not the conservatives. It was always the conservatives who defended slavery, they just went by a different name back then.

Yeah, Southern Democrats?

Oh wait they traded an end to Reconstruction, and removal of Federal troops after the Civil War, for the Presidency, gave it to the Republicans. Those wonderful Democrats who didn't want to end slavery, didn't want equal rights, the same people who not only oppressed the Blacks but segregated them, blocked voting rights, and didn't want school integration.

The South had extra seats in the Electoral College because of its slaves. Yeah those slave owners again and the Democrats. Eight of the first nine presidential elections were won by candidates who were plantation owners from Virginia, then America’s biggest state. Note for those from other countries who like to dabble in being critical of American politics, Virginia was on the Confederacy side of the secession and the civil war.

The Republican Party, was founded in 1848 with the abolition of slavery as its core mission. Almost immediately after its second presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln, won the 1860 election, Democrat-controlled southern states seceded on the assumption that Lincoln would destroy their slave-based economies.

After the Republicans dragged the South and the Democrats, by their heels, into equal legal rights for all American citizens, allowing blacks to vote and an end to segregation, then the Democrats suddenly became the party of the minorities? Wow what a bunch of hypocrites. They didn't desegregate the party until the middle 1960s.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: House support 61% Democrat, 81% Republican. Senate 69% Democrat, 82% Republican. Democrats in the same era were also against granting voting rights to Blacks.

Biden speaking in 1975, advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing “their own identity.”

Don't believe the re-writing of history, without looking at the documented facts.
   Uncle Pete you are spot on....Great writing and the truth...Well stated....
Title: Re: ! !
Post by: Uncle Pete on October 10, 2020, 15:24

Ah, that old chestnut... which you've got wrong! What you meant to say was was the 'mistaken belief that the Republicans were the slave owners', not the conservatives. It was always the conservatives who defended slavery, they just went by a different name back then.


Yeah, Southern Democrats?

Oh wait they traded an end to Reconstruction, and removal of Federal troops after the Civil War, for the Presidency, gave it to the Republicans. Those wonderful Democrats who didn't want to end slavery, didn't want equal rights, the same people who not only oppressed the Blacks but segregated them, blocked voting rights, and didn't want school integration.

The South had extra seats in the Electoral College because of its slaves. Yeah those slave owners again and the Democrats. Eight of the first nine presidential elections were won by candidates who were plantation owners from Virginia, then America’s biggest state. Note for those from other countries who like to dabble in being critical of American politics, Virginia was on the Confederacy side of the secession and the civil war.

The Republican Party, was founded in 1848 with the abolition of slavery as its core mission. Almost immediately after its second presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln, won the 1860 election, Democrat-controlled southern states seceded on the assumption that Lincoln would destroy their slave-based economies.

After the Republicans dragged the South and the Democrats, by their heels, into equal legal rights for all American citizens, allowing blacks to vote and an end to segregation, then the Democrats suddenly became the party of the minorities? Wow what a bunch of hypocrites. They didn't desegregate the party until the middle 1960s.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: House support 61% Democrat, 81% Republican. Senate 69% Democrat, 82% Republican. Democrats in the same era were also against granting voting rights to Blacks.

Biden speaking in 1975, advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing “their own identity.”

Don't believe the re-writing of history, without looking at the documented facts.
   Uncle Pete you are spot on....Great writing and the truth...Well stated....


I didn't want to get into the name calling and angry shouting, just some historical facts.

The Democrats want to pretend they are somehow different from the Republicans, and they are on the side of kindness and understanding, "we love everyone", they care about us, but I see that only as a way to get votes, gain power, and be politicians just like every one of the rest of them, no matter what faction or party.

Don't think I take sides, based on party lines, I don't like Trump either. He's rude, not Presidential, outspoken without facts and changes his own words to fit whatever his agenda.

Another tiny fact as I see left people crying on the forums and blogs and just about everywhere, that the districts are rigged to favor the Republicans. Democrats invented gerrymandering and the concept was named after a Democrat governor of Massachusetts, 1912, Elbridge Gerry. The governor had helped cobble together a voting district that looked a lot like a salamander on the map. Gerry + salamander became gerrymandering.  ;D

I don't see them actually changing anything if the Dems get into more power, because, the ability to control voting populations will benefit them as well. Two cases that I found, without much effort, were the state of IL where Dems set it up to their benefit http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2020/09/democrats-hotly-oppose-gerrymandering-except-in-illinois/ (http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2020/09/democrats-hotly-oppose-gerrymandering-except-in-illinois/)

IL 4th district  :o

(http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/files/2020/09/Screen-Shot-2020-09-27-at-12.34.23-PM-1024x954.png)

And some out east, like Maryland's 6th congressional district:

(https://s19499.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Sixth-District.jpg)

The county has the Electoral System, that's how people get elected President, the same rules apply equally for everyone. Trump won, playing by the system, just the same as HRC lost. Time to stop complaining that there was something unfair and because the popular vote went her way "she should have won". If you don't like the laws and the rules, change them. Otherwise, live with the decisions and outcome.

Everyone who isn't voting by mail, don't forget to go and cast your choice and voice you opinion, that's where it matters, not here on a forum. No one is going to change or be convinced by angry messages or fighting and name calling. In fact I doubt that anyone here will change anything they already believe, one bit, even with plain and simple facts that I collected, because minds are made up, party lines are drawn and that's the way it is.

Don't Forget To Vote!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 10, 2020, 16:31

Quote
   
...... Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

yep lots of trash talk with little substance - anytime people have to TELL you they're telling the truth you have be suspicious. - intelligent people DO change over time as new information becomes available -- that's the role of activists and scientists who change minds by talking heads, not by bashing heads. Given a choice between the rigid faith of climate change deniers, evolution deniers, covid deniers, etc, etc - very time i'll take a Hilary who can change with the times rather than ultraconservatives in many states (and some on SCOTUS) who until relatively recently  still supported miscegenation and anti-sodomy laws. 

 
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 10, 2020, 17:08
 We can't refute anything you said?

   
The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.
The confederacy broke away from the Union and had no connection to legitimate parties - the Democratic party continued to run for office in the Union


Quote from: Minsc
Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.



don't guess, you're just showing laziness or ignorance -- research it if you're not sure.  The Kennedy's played a part but they didnt solidify anything - 2 were murdered before they could achieve their goals.
 

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The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left.


....
In other words, you can't refute any of it.
Not just 'any' -- most is easily refuted

The Democratic left (and those of us non-Ds who held out noses to vote for the lesser of 2 weevils!) has always had problems with the party's centrist candidates - just since the 60s we had RFK, Gene McCarthy, McGovern, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and on .. who ran against the party 'favorite'.  Until the republicans drank the koolaid, US politics consisted of 2 center-right parties, with only minor differences (judged in comparison to European parties). The changes in the Ds in the last 10years are minor compared to the 50-70s


 
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I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.
saying you proved it doesn't make it so
 bit more detail debunking your claim the south didnt change til the 90s:
 
>>>  when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the party’s 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their “States’ Rights” ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.
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The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”

The change wasn’t total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early ‘70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a “Southern strategy” that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (who’d wanted “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever”) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican party’s hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. It’s an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners would’ve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln.
<<<
from
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south (https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south)
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 10, 2020, 17:22

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.
  ROFLMAO - pot to kettle!
Quote from: Minsc
If the US goes too far left, it's going to affect me and everyone else. Too many people lack common sense, and doesn't look at the consequences. People here complaining about a rate cut from SS, but totally oblivious to the fact that many Americans will be losing quit a bit of their income if too many of the far-left policies get implemented.
as opposed to a party that has wrecked the economy; destroyed treaties and agreements preventing nuclear arms and climate change w/o replacing them (Iran is now closer to a nuclear weapon than when trump took overr), tried to destroy NATO and imposed tariffs on our ALLIES!  gave up negotiating positions to Israel, Russia Turkey, N Korea among others before even starting talks? may destroy the partial health care system we have, again w/o replacing it
Quote
I'm talking about paying over $5,000 extra in taxes per year for the middle class... maybe more.
maybe YOU'RE talking about it but no one on the left hs said anything like that - Biden's proposal raises taxes on incomes over $400k. compare that to trump' ONLY legislative accomplishment (and who CAN'T pass a tax cut!) which gave over 80% of the benefits to the top 1% while giving a pittance to the middle class
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 10, 2020, 17:25

The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.

Come on, wake up.

Now tell the truth please? Formerly convicted felons lost the right to vote. FL passed an amendment restoring their rights, if they paid their outstanding fines from the crimes. You twisted the truth to make it sound like people with simple fines couldn't vote.

The ballot measure restored voting rights to felons who have completed "all terms of their sentence, including parole or probation." It excludes those convicted of murder or sexual offenses.

"The only reason you're paying restitution is because you were convicted of a felony."

Restitution

of course white collar criminals and tax cheats (like those who owe the IRS $75million) plea bargain and still get to vote
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cascoly on October 10, 2020, 17:27
But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
For sure, the rest of the world doesn't need an anti-science climate change denier.

not 'denier' - an ENTIRE party that not only denies climate change, but covid, evolution,...
Title: Re: ! !
Post by: cascoly on October 10, 2020, 17:41

...
Don't think I take sides, based on party lines, I don't like Trump either. He's rude, not Presidential, outspoken without facts and changes his own words to fit whatever his agenda.
 
 
....

Don't Forget To Vote!

true the dems will redistrict to their advantage - they made major mistake when they failed to counter the  Rs efforts to gain control of state legislatures and eventually federal judicial appts

but it doesnt have to be this way - redistricting doesnt have to be done by the majority party --many states now use other means -- eg, here in WA:

Congressional and state legislative districts are drawn by a five-person commission under a constitutional amendment approved by voters in 1983. The majority and minority party leaders in both legislative chambers each appoint one commissioner, who cannot be an officeholder or lobbyist. Those four members then select a fifth, nonvoting member who serves as chairman. Legislators can amend the commission’s maps with a two-thirds vote of each chamber, but their changes can shift no more than 2 percent of the population among districts. Districts should be composed of “convenient, contiguous and compact territory” and not drawn to purposely “favor or discriminate against any political party or group.”

from"Number of states using redistricting commissions growing"
https://apnews.com/article/4d2e2aea7e224549af61699e51c955dd

also
https://indivisible.org/resource/fighting-gerrymandering-states
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Lizard on October 10, 2020, 21:13
But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
For sure, the rest of the world doesn't need an anti-science climate change denier.

not 'denier' - an ENTIRE party that not only denies climate change, but covid, evolution,...

You are talking about same people which offered whole world  clear proof Iraq is in possession of weapons of mass destruction that hasn't been found until today?

About a psychopath HRC laughing out on a lynch of a another leader being slaughtered on the streets without a trial that any thief is entailed by international law?

The world need few new little wars and invasions ASAP, and this current ass..le at least doesn't slaughter people around the word awarding himself Nobel peace award.   



Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: marthamarks on October 11, 2020, 00:26
Mike Pence seems nice enough too, after watching that VP debate.


I've restrained myself and stayed out of this little political kerfluffle, but I do have to respond to your statement that Mike Pence "seems nice enough."

Yes, he did seem nice enough, except that he lied and lied and lied his way through that encounter with Kamala Harris. He has an amazing, preternatural gift for telling lies in the softest, most reasonable-sounding voice imaginable. But still, they are lies.

I really like this quote from Julián Castro, the former mayor of San Antonio, Texas: "What Mike Pence adds to the ticket is that he lies in a calm voice."

The actual winner of that "debate," IMHO, was the fly that spent a minute or more gazing out at the world from atop Pence's sleek silver head.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: trabuco on October 11, 2020, 05:38
Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt)

4 more Superyears!
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 11, 2020, 07:07
Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt)

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that’s funny.  ::)
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Asthebelltolls on October 11, 2020, 08:32
"The actual winner of that "debate," IMHO, was the fly that spent a minute or more gazing out at the world from atop Pence's sleek silver head."

I'm not claiming to be an Entomologist but flies have a tendency to land on places that stink, don't they?

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: marthamarks on October 11, 2020, 15:25
"The actual winner of that "debate," IMHO, was the fly that spent a minute or more gazing out at the world from atop Pence's sleek silver head."

I'm not claiming to be an Entomologist but flies have a tendency to land on places that stink, don't they?

You betcha! 

Flies tend to land and linger and dine on the disgusting offal that nothing else will touch.

Which is entirely appropriate in this case… and helps to prove my argument!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: marthamarks on October 11, 2020, 15:36
Those in the know will get this.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Lola Ginabrigeta on October 12, 2020, 11:31
Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt)

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that’s funny.  ::)

You should follow your own rules.


LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump’s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄


You can say that a billion times, but it still doesn’t make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and it’s aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 12, 2020, 12:45
Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt)

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that’s funny.  ::)

You should follow your own rules.


LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump’s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄


You can say that a billion times, but it still doesn’t make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and it’s aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.

😂

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 12, 2020, 14:48
We can't refute anything you said?

   
The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.
The confederacy broke away from the Union and had no connection to legitimate parties - the Democratic party continued to run for office in the Union


Quote from: Minsc
Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.



don't guess, you're just showing laziness or ignorance -- research it if you're not sure.  The Kennedy's played a part but they didnt solidify anything - 2 were murdered before they could achieve their goals.
 

Quote
The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left.


....
In other words, you can't refute any of it.
Not just 'any' -- most is easily refuted

The Democratic left (and those of us non-Ds who held out noses to vote for the lesser of 2 weevils!) has always had problems with the party's centrist candidates - just since the 60s we had RFK, Gene McCarthy, McGovern, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and on .. who ran against the party 'favorite'.  Until the republicans drank the koolaid, US politics consisted of 2 center-right parties, with only minor differences (judged in comparison to European parties). The changes in the Ds in the last 10years are minor compared to the 50-70s


 
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I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.
saying you proved it doesn't make it so
 bit more detail debunking your claim the south didnt change til the 90s:
 
>>>  when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the party’s 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their “States’ Rights” ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.
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The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”

The change wasn’t total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early ‘70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a “Southern strategy” that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (who’d wanted “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever”) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican party’s hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. It’s an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners would’ve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln.
<<<
from
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south (https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south)

Half the stuff you quoted isn't even from me.

And like I said, whatever the Democrats has done in the past stays with them. Just like how HRC was against gay marriage before she changed her mind. Just because the stance has been adjusted doesn't mean it's no longer part of their history. Voting demographics changed throughout history and it will continue to change in the decades ahead. The fact is that Democrats are the party of slavery and Jim Crow and that's part of their history.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: YadaYadaYada on October 12, 2020, 14:48
Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt)

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that’s funny.  ::)

You should follow your own rules.


LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump’s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄


You can say that a billion times, but it still doesn’t make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and it’s aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.

😂

Reply #14 first from you this thread.

No, he isn’t the one the American people wanted to represent them. Hillary won the popular (the people) vote.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 12, 2020, 15:06

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.
  ROFLMAO - pot to kettle!
Quote from: Minsc
If the US goes too far left, it's going to affect me and everyone else. Too many people lack common sense, and doesn't look at the consequences. People here complaining about a rate cut from SS, but totally oblivious to the fact that many Americans will be losing quit a bit of their income if too many of the far-left policies get implemented.
as opposed to a party that has wrecked the economy; destroyed treaties and agreements preventing nuclear arms and climate change w/o replacing them (Iran is now closer to a nuclear weapon than when trump took overr), tried to destroy NATO and imposed tariffs on our ALLIES!  gave up negotiating positions to Israel, Russia Turkey, N Korea among others before even starting talks? may destroy the partial health care system we have, again w/o replacing it
Quote
I'm talking about paying over $5,000 extra in taxes per year for the middle class... maybe more.
maybe YOU'RE talking about it but no one on the left hs said anything like that - Biden's proposal raises taxes on incomes over $400k. compare that to trump' ONLY legislative accomplishment (and who CAN'T pass a tax cut!) which gave over 80% of the benefits to the top 1% while giving a pittance to the middle class

COVID-19 wrecked the economy. You are being dishonest by blaming a virus on Trump. Every economy in the WORLD followed a similar pattern that affected the US economy. It was booming before COVID-19 took hold. You're no different from the people who blame hurricanes and flooding on Trump. Just completely dishonest.

Again, most people don't understand the Paris agreement. It was basically the US paying other countries to pollute. We were paying China and India to pollute and there was no action plan in place for any of the countries. They were given the freedom to pollute until 2030 with no obligation to put a plan in place. That's not an agreement, it was a free handout. Iran is no closer to anything, stop making things up. NATO allies are finally paying their dues instead of getting a free protection service. Trump brought peace to the Koreas, as well as crafting a peace deal in the Middle East that was thought to be impossible. All the points you brought up made little to no sense. It's like they're talking points from 3 years ago.

Regarding taxes, why should I believe anything from Biden? Under Trump, I know for a fact that my taxes won't get raised. I'm in the middle class and I benefited from Trump's tax cuts. Under Biden, it'll be a rolling budget where they try to accommodate as many (free handout) programs as they can. When they run out of money, and they will if you do the math instead of listening to lies, they're going to raise taxes on the middle class. I live in a Democrat state where new taxes are introduced yearly and you expect me to trust Biden's empty words after experiencing the incompetence of California Democrats? Get out of there.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 12, 2020, 15:43
Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt)

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that’s funny.  ::)

You should follow your own rules.


LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump’s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄


You can say that a billion times, but it still doesn’t make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and it’s aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.

😂

Reply #14 first from you this thread.

No, he isn’t the one the American people wanted to represent them. Hillary won the popular (the people) vote.

😂
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Zero Talent on October 13, 2020, 12:54

COVID-19 wrecked the economy. You are dishonest by blaming a virus on Trump. Every economy in the WORLD followed a similar pattern that affected the US economy. It was booming before COVID-19 took hold. You're no different from the people who blame hurricanes and flooding on Trump. Just completely dishonest.


You are falling so hard for governmental propaganda!

While it's true that the pandemic had an impact on most countries, the American economy suffered disproportionately more because of the catastrophic lack of leadership from the "Spreader in Chief" during these difficult times.

The dollar has tanked, making our work less valuable. Not only the national debt has risen to unprecedented values, but also the national debt in reference to the GDP broke all records, beating the previous peak recorded immediately after WWII.
That's so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their fiscally conservative values!  :o

There was massive dumping of fiat money in the economy, only to keep the stock market afloat because that's the only KPI the moron in chief cares about. And that's a hidden tax we all pay from our pockets, on top of the price hikes imposed on us the consumers, by his stupid trade wars. And that's again, so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their love for the free market  :o

And it's not just about macro-economics, did you check the prices in your supermarket lately? Just do it and remember what you used to pay for the same products (milk, bread, etc) earlier this year.


As for the pre-covid situation, again, so much governmental propaganda! Check the attached stats:
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 16:15
The world does not blame Trump for a pandemic, due to globalization, and dense population. The pandemic was something that had been expected for years, alerted by scientists.

The world blames Trump for only looking at the presidential election, regardless of whether the rich pay taxes or not.


It is not propaganda, it is brainwashing. Therefore, you cannot fight with those affected.
So much hatred can only be fought so that it does not spread to new generations.

Trump is past. The economy is for politicians, not illiterate children of millionaires with an air of greatness, self-conscious. Taxing Spanish wine is only for illiterates, children of millionaires, with airs of greatness, with the pretensions of a great America of whites with land and cows.

My respect for cows.


Few already speak out in favor of Trump in public, only those who do not have information, beyond the extreme right-wing indoctrination, called by all, domestic terrorism.

POTU is interested in not moving away from power, to avoid jail.

The covid simply confirmed that the American economy was not that strong.
Of course, the tariffs are to create chaos, not economy. He is not an entrepreneur. It's a cheap market puppet. He leads his life as a cheap door-to-door fish seller. Of course I respect the fish sellers at home, they don't respect Trump even at home.

Stop watching FOX. FOX doesn't care about you.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 16:41
I admit that I was wrong with POTU. I thought that the planet would not last more than 13 days with him in power. I was wrong, I did not know to see that what I was going to do was to end the world hegemony of your country. North America ends at the Canadian border.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Minsc on October 13, 2020, 16:46

COVID-19 wrecked the economy. You are dishonest by blaming a virus on Trump. Every economy in the WORLD followed a similar pattern that affected the US economy. It was booming before COVID-19 took hold. You're no different from the people who blame hurricanes and flooding on Trump. Just completely dishonest.


You are falling so hard for governmental propaganda!

While it's true that the pandemic had an impact on most countries, the American economy suffered disproportionately more because of the catastrophic lack of leadership from the "Spreader in Chief" during these difficult times.

The dollar has tanked, making our work less valuable. Not only the national debt has risen to unprecedented values, but also the national debt in reference to the GDP broke all records, beating the previous peak recorded immediately after WWII.
That's so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their fiscally conservative values!  :o

There was massive dumping of fiat money in the economy, only to keep the stock market afloat because that's the only KPI the moron in chief cares about. And that's a hidden tax we all pay from our pockets, on top of the price hikes imposed on us the consumers, by his stupid trade wars. And that's again, so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their love for the free market  :o

And it's not just about macro-economics, did you check the prices in your supermarket lately? Just do it and remember what you used to pay for the same products (milk, bread, etc) earlier this year.


As for the pre-covid situation, again, so much governmental propaganda! Check the attached stats:

A lot of economies were hit far harder than the US. To say that the US was hit disproportionately harder is a lie. Look at the chart below. The UK was hit far harder.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-health-economy (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-health-economy)

The dollar is the currency which all other currencies measure to. If the economic activity in the US is low, it's going to fall. The fall of the dollar is directly tied to US economy, which has been greatly affected by the pandemic. It's a black swan event.

The national debt will always rise to unprecedented levels. Even rising a dollar from yesterday is unprecedented. The rise of the national debt in 2020 is also directly tied to the pandemic. The economic stimulus plan didn't come out of nowhere and it was supported by both Republicans and Democrats. The 2nd stimulus plan, which is being discussed right now will further add to the debt. The Republicans has proposed a conservative plan, while Democrats propose a plan loaded with pork. They want to include hundreds of billions of dollars as a blank check to poorly run Democrat-controlled cities. They want to include billions in free handouts to unions. They want to bail out failed cities like Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore. And when the bill hits home, they're going to point the finger at Trump, and say "The national debt rose to unprecedented levels under Trump." and pretend they're angels.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/12/pelosis-stimulus-bill-an-unhelpful-spending-spree/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/12/pelosis-stimulus-bill-an-unhelpful-spending-spree/)

I'm also paying roughly the same price for food that I did in March. If some food prices rise, it's because of supply and demand, not because of the something Trump did. You're reaching far too much to blame black swan events on the president.

Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 16:47
The planet, is still attentive, impressed and incredulous to the session of stupid, nonsensical and disgusting and stupid comments that delights us every hour on Twitter. It makes us blush and ashamed that in the USA anyone can get to be POTU. Congratulations and enjoy it.

It is you who have elected him President of the USA.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 16:57
It is you who have decided to face COVID and wait for the bill for the ambulance and the hospital. Enjoy your country of millionaires with broken sneakers. Pretending to be a millionaire and not being able to face an unforeseen event.

It is normal for people to commit suicide. It is not a country to live in if you are not a millionaire. On Thursday I start my paid vacation. You only live once, you live to defeat the enemy at the polls. Congratulations. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 17:07
And I am convinced that there is much more to Baltimore than just rats.

We know the arguments by heart. They repeat over and over again. In 4chan it is organized and then it is disseminated throughout the network.

Long live transsexuals and feminists.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Zero Talent on October 13, 2020, 17:27

COVID-19 wrecked the economy. You are dishonest by blaming a virus on Trump. Every economy in the WORLD followed a similar pattern that affected the US economy. It was booming before COVID-19 took hold. You're no different from the people who blame hurricanes and flooding on Trump. Just completely dishonest.


You are falling so hard for governmental propaganda!

While it's true that the pandemic had an impact on most countries, the American economy suffered disproportionately more because of the catastrophic lack of leadership from the "Spreader in Chief" during these difficult times.

The dollar has tanked, making our work less valuable. Not only the national debt has risen to unprecedented values, but also the national debt in reference to the GDP broke all records, beating the previous peak recorded immediately after WWII.
That's so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their fiscally conservative values!  :o

There was massive dumping of fiat money in the economy, only to keep the stock market afloat because that's the only KPI the moron in chief cares about. And that's a hidden tax we all pay from our pockets, on top of the price hikes imposed on us, the consumers, by his stupid trade wars. And that's again, so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their love for the free market  :o

And it's not just about macro-economics, did you check the prices in your supermarket lately? Just do it and remember what you used to pay for the same products (milk, bread, etc.) earlier this year.


As for the pre-covid situation, again, so much governmental propaganda! Check the attached stats:

A lot of economies were hit far harder than the US. To say that the US was hit disproportionately harder is a lie. Look at the chart below. The UK was hit far harder.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-health-economy (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-health-economy)

The dollar is the currency which all other currencies measure to. If the economic activity in the US is low, it's going to fall. The fall of the dollar is directly tied to US economy, which has been greatly affected by the pandemic. It's a black swan event.

The national debt will always rise to unprecedented levels. Even rising a dollar from yesterday is unprecedented. The rise of the national debt in 2020 is also directly tied to the pandemic. The economic stimulus plan didn't come out of nowhere and it was supported by both Republicans and Democrats. The 2nd stimulus plan, which is being discussed right now will further add to the debt. The Republicans has proposed a conservative plan, while Democrats propose a plan loaded with pork. They want to include hundreds of billions of dollars as a blank check to poorly run Democrat-controlled cities. They want to include billions in free handouts to unions. They want to bail out failed cities like Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore. And when the bill hits home, they're going to point the finger at Trump, and say "The national debt rose to unprecedented levels under Trump." and pretend they're angels.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/12/pelosis-stimulus-bill-an-unhelpful-spending-spree/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/12/pelosis-stimulus-bill-an-unhelpful-spending-spree/)

I'm also paying roughly the same price for food that I did in March. If some food prices rise, it's because of supply and demand, not because of the something Trump did. You're reaching far too much to blame black swan events on the president.

I doubt you are paying the same price! The prices are up because there is so much fiat money on the market, on top of his stupid trade wars. That's simple economics.
Check how the dollar has been weakened in relation to the euro, that's also because fiat money has been pumped into the economy, more than other economies dared to do.

As for the debt to GDP reaching a higher level than during war times, that's on your boy, the moron, no matter what. He had all the power to say no, but instead, he wanted to put his name on those checks printed out of thin air. Your boy was the one pushing the Fed to lower the interest rates to prop up the stock market and reduce his personal debt, long before the covid hit the world. That interest reduction is also achieved through a surplus of fiat money. So much for a fiscally responsible "republican"!

We are in deep crap under his watch, no matter how hard you try to defend the indefensible. He must be stopped before the White House infection (pun intended) is contaminating our country beyond repair.

The buck stops with him.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: marthamarks on October 13, 2020, 19:15
The planet, is still attentive, impressed and incredulous to the session of stupid, nonsensical and disgusting and stupid comments that delights us every hour on Twitter. It makes us blush and ashamed that in the USA anyone can get to be POTU. Congratulations and enjoy it.

It is you who have elected him President of the USA.

I'm an American who has already voted AGAINST Donald Trump this time around. And I did not vote for him the last time either.

BTW, just to make your statement clear… the abbreviation you're trying to use is POTUS (not POTU). That's because it stands for President of the United States.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 19:54
Gracias.



I'm sorry about your country. A hug.
Thank you for the correction. POTUS. Okay
However, I don't mind my grammar and spelling mistakes. I do not consider it important.
I really appreciate your comment. Most do not speak to me, normally American English is sacred. I do not understand the reasons.

In this case, from my English, the important thing is the message. For those who want to value it. If it is of value.
Exchanging a dialogue with me, to correct my English, I usually take it as an attack.
In your words, I feel something different.
A greeting.
I like learning

As for not voting for this POTUS, it has no special value. Its normal.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 20:06
Unfortunately, as the election system is designed, and that millions of Americans, incredibly Latinos and women, voted for this comic character scares old women and deceives children
With normal, sensible people with common sense, this message from this lower being does not reach them. Sensible people, with common sense, with their own ideas, are vaccinated with nonsense.
Patience, in January, the end of the dictatorial regime of false democracy, which is not mentioned in the Constitution, will come.

Heroes are in the streets, and being an anti-fascist is normal. Who wants fascism?
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 20:13
In addition to offering political refuge and not extraditing him to the US, I think Putin is also going to change the name of Red Square to Trump Square.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Zero Talent on October 13, 2020, 20:17
The planet, is still attentive, impressed and incredulous to the session of stupid, nonsensical and disgusting and stupid comments that delights us every hour on Twitter. It makes us blush and ashamed that in the USA anyone can get to be POTU. Congratulations and enjoy it.

It is you who have elected him President of the USA.

I'm an American who has already voted AGAINST Donald Trump this time around. And I did not vote for him the last time either.

I just dropped my ballot in a secure box today.  ;)
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 20:34
Not voting for Trump is the logical thing to do. What is not logical, is to suffer it submissively for four years. There has to be thousands of deaths, and those that remain until January, for you to react.
Never again put sub beings, inferior beings to govern your country. It is very expensive.

An asteroid may hit the earth or another pandemic. With these cheap TV series characters, it is better not to have them even as a neighbor.

Less running his own family finances while entertaining bored people, with the nonsense of not charging for being POTUS.

Many lives lost and decades of poverty, you have learned a lesson learned at a great price.

The normal thing is not to vote for this guy with pants by the neck and package on the left side as in the 50s, the difficult thing is to vote for him, that is difficult.

His merit is to choose a good tailor who will hide his excess weight. Your tailor is a professional.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 20:51
I suppose that the Koran and the Bible say the same for the uneducated, the fires are not due to climate change, it is because they are blue states. Amen.

Article 25 of the disabled must be approved to measure the ability after Camera, woman, man, ..... Legislating is not creating a civil war. Although for him, as long as he does not file his taxes as a possible criminal organization, a war between Americans can save him from going to jail.

Nonetheless, it is the American people that placed it on POTUS. Therefore, the problem is decades old and the solution will be a matter of decades.



There seems to be a lot of Americans with old ideas.
Women are the owners of their bodies. Abortion is a right. You're right.

The hypocrisy about sex in American society is unbearable for the 21st century.

We should have given you the language instead of the religion.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 22:57
It is better, that you continue with your bipartisanship, that you destroy the world.
The rest of humanity, we thank you for not starting a nuclear war with China.
When we get out of COVID, we will fight for climate change.
You continue with hatred. Living in peace is far from your DNA.
You would be bored, empty lives.

You would be bored, empty lives. The cyborg, will be responsible for creating hatred for Harris as in the Obama stage. Bipartisanship is your world, your life.
The solution is not Biden. The solution is to legislate the Hate Speech.
You will understand it one day.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 23:04
You are bothered by boobs in a deodorant ad, but you are not bothered by the hate on the internet that your minors consume, for example, towards gays.
Less hate and more boobs.
Children do not come from storks.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 23:21
American society is going to reboot and defragment the brain, to adapt to the 21st century.
Welcome to the present and a lot of strength to the heroes who fight in the streets.

If not for Trump, the US continues like this, blind, 100 more years.

Thank you POTUS for uniting the American people in what really matters, living.
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: marthamarks on October 14, 2020, 00:16

I just dropped my ballot in a secure box today.  ;)

I did that yesterday. Not taking any chances with mail-in ballots that Trumpolini or his minions can toss in a river somewhere. (He accuses Biden supporters of doing that, but we all know that Trump always projects his own bad-boy behavior onto others. :D  )
Title: Re: Trump has the rona
Post by: cathyslife on October 14, 2020, 05:05

I just dropped my ballot in a secure box today.  ;)

I did that yesterday. Not taking any chances with mail-in ballots that Trumpolini or his minions can toss in a river somewhere. (He accuses Biden supporters of doing that, but we all know that Trump always projects his own bad-boy behavior onto others. :D  )

I drove mine down Monday and put it in the secure box as well. I wasn’t going to trust the mail either. The board of elections is on it, they had an area of the parking lot coned off so people can conveniently drive thru and put their ballot in a box. Unfortunately I didn’t see it until I drove out, so I had to get out of the car and drop it in, but that’s ok. It’s done.