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Shelma1

« on: October 02, 2020, 05:48 »
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Supposedly. I have so little trust in anything he says that Im not sure if its true or if its 1. A ploy to make him look invincible when he miraculously recovers just before the election 2. An excuse to hand the reins over to Pence, who pardons him for everything 3. A chance to secretly mass the troops, the Proud Boys, etc. to prepare for a takeover, or 4. His opportunity to escape to somewhere.


« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2020, 06:41 »
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Here in the EU the news about Trump in the last days are quite scaring. The media are saying he could not accept the election results with the support of supremacist groups, the good old nazi guys.

I think it is just another stupid thing he has said about the mail voting or something... Can't believe that.

I do think he is ill now. He should have used a face covering all the time, like everyone else should do.

Tenebroso

« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2020, 07:07 »
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The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

USA is isolated from the world. You have always been very special. It is no longer useful to divide the world with Russia, after the Second World War.

As countries struggle to try to improve in all aspects, with their own problems, the Freedom of Expression amendment, I was not aware of the misinterpretation and the strength of the internet. Insulting gratuitously and manipulating society with measured information. Professional brainwashing for years.

People cannot assimilate the false news, and another one arrives. Of hatred and political rivalry.

In economics, it was already known that taxes are for these people, who do not want free X-rays to homeless people, the same people, fight for a health care for the rich and for millionaires.

The developed countries, we will receive American refugees, while you solve your problems of abortions and things of the 50s.

The problem is with the country, with its citizens, not with this ruined president about to go to jail.

Society as a whole is responsible for what happens in a country, there is a lot of flags, but it is divided into colored states.

Continue fighting for abortion, yes, abortion, no, and the rest of the country will follow the geopolitical trail of the EU and China.

The EU is going to lead the climate change, you solve your hatred, first. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right of man, also the right to honor, intimacy and privacy.

As long as you allow free insults to Gays, you are not worthy of anything. Since Gays are normal people. Something difficult to understand, since the set allows abuse.

7 millionaires, and millions of slaves, who wish to be slaves with the carrot of the American dream.

It was already known before COVID that the USA was not so strong. Society, families cannot save, or pay for an unforeseen event, despite working in at least two places. And without the right to paid vacations, or health, where living one more day is a matter of luck. Violence and hatred is the description of the USA.

Tenebroso

« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2020, 08:03 »
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If POTU does not survive this positive for COVIDD, the conspiracy and the weapons will be in the street. Good luck to you all.

« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2020, 09:25 »
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I wish him and his wife a speedy recovery  :-*

Shelma1

« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2020, 09:42 »
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The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Tenebroso

« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2020, 10:11 »
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Yeah true. Three million more votes. The system of perpetual election, donations and bipartisanship, you will also have to improve. The new states cannot be allowed to have no votes, and it is known that the shift in population demographics will have repercussions in the future.

However, I insist, it is American society that has placed the Republic in the current situation, allowing young people to access gratuitous hatred, pride of parents that education, children and grandchildren of immigrants trying to show that they are more American than the flag.

There is a lot of work in any corner of the planet. In the USA, it is the result of decades that has led to this unbearable deterioration.

If you look at the press of the misnamed Spanish flu, you will see that the second wave was brutal, because the freedom of the alpha male was taken to the judge with his mouth uncovered. And many years have passed to improve these feelings.


The problem is in American society, its deterioration has managed to place this character as a disruptor (cutout, circuit breaker) of a fragile society.

You must restart the country. You're going to have to do it anyway. It's okay with so much suicide, psychological problems, addictions, depression, drugs, hunger, violence, loneliness,............ a poem about a place to live.

USA is a country full of anonymous heroes, the changes is underway.

« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2020, 10:47 »
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The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.


Shelma1

« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2020, 12:38 »
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The problem is not POTU. The American society placed him there, as president of the USA.

The electoral college placed him there. The people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Yes, but the voting system works for both candidates, both have to win in the same conditions.

In my country voting system is a s. too and so in every country I know.

Incorrect. The electoral college is unfairly tilted towards conservatives and was purposely designed that way.

« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2020, 12:57 »
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When?

edit.

I'm reading a Times article about that. My knowledge about the system is just how it works now and my English is a quite poor, but the article is in Spanish. I see it was designed to give an advantage to the southern states.

Anyway ALL electoral systems are unfair. You have to win with that like Clinton or Obama did.

f.i. In my country a small party that supports terrorism and killing people is in fact decisive because our voting system gives and advantage to concentrated voting in small regions. And some tiny regional parties (with extreme ideology) are stronger than some national ones with a lot more votes.

I mean, you have to play with that s.

apologies for my English. These topics are hard to me  ;D
« Last Edit: October 02, 2020, 13:12 by trabuco »

Tenebroso

« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2020, 13:48 »
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When?

edit.

I'm reading a Times article about that. My knowledge about the system is just how it works now and my English is a quite poor, but the article is in Spanish. I see it was designed to give an advantage to the southern states.

Anyway ALL electoral systems are unfair. You have to win with that like Clinton or Obama did.

f.i. In my country a small party that supports terrorism and killing people is in fact decisive because our voting system gives and advantage to concentrated voting in small regions. And some tiny regional parties (with extreme ideology) are stronger than some national ones with a lot more votes.

I mean, you have to play with that s.

apologies for my English. These topics are hard to me  ;D



All political parties in Spain are within the Spanish Constitution. That this is an American forum does not exempt you from your responsibility, your European rights and obligations.

Any citizen who feels attacked by your comment can go to a police station. The administrator of this forum will be asked for your IP automatically. And in front of the judge, you will have to prove your words. If you can prove it, no problem. If you can't prove it, you may have problems.

The world is very small and I am telling you this to try to help you.

A greeting.

« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2020, 13:56 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Tenebroso

« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2020, 14:09 »
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President Trump is the president of the USA legitimate. He is the one who won the elections. The one the American people wanted to represent them. The election system is not perfect. It will change, for sure.


There are many very good things and some very bad things in the USA. Great country. All in a big way. It does not matter if there is no work and a pandemic, cutting the campaign months so as not to need so many millions in donations was a possible good detail from the politicians. But no matter the virus, or the lack of work, or not being able to pay the rents, nothing matters, except winning the elections. Great country.

Shelma1

« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2020, 14:09 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesnt make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2020, 14:21 »
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President Trump is the president of the USA legitimate. He is the one who won the elections. The one the American people wanted to represent them. The election system is not perfect. It will change, for sure.


There are many very good things and some very bad things in the USA. Great country. All in a big way. It does not matter if there is no work and a pandemic, cutting the campaign months so as not to need so many millions in donations was a possible good detail from the politicians. But no matter the virus, or the lack of work, or not being able to pay the rents, nothing matters, except winning the elections. Great country.

No, he isnt the one the American people wanted to represent them. Hillary won the popular (the people) vote.

« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2020, 14:27 »
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This is a circle. And it's the same in all countries.

« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2020, 14:31 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesnt make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

No answers for those questions, but voting systems can be changed.


Tenebroso

« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2020, 14:48 »
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President Trump is the president of the USA legitimate. He is the one who won the elections. The one the American people wanted to represent them. The election system is not perfect. It will change, for sure.


There are many very good things and some very bad things in the USA. Great country. All in a big way. It does not matter if there is no work and a pandemic, cutting the campaign months so as not to need so many millions in donations was a possible good detail from the politicians. But no matter the virus, or the lack of work, or not being able to pay the rents, nothing matters, except winning the elections. Great country.

No, he isnt the one the American people wanted to represent them. Hillary won the popular (the people) vote.



The people now kneel in the hymn. And it is now when the people will decide what statues will be in the streets, and the name of the army bases. A policeman to defend you, not to shoot and then ask. They will go two by two on patrol on the lonely roads and will be a great policeman.


It will be determined to defend the honor in the social networks of the different person. Transsexuals will be recognized as people and will defend their rights against harassment from the extreme right.

They will be educated in schools, according to gender equality and respect for immigrants, the problem of immigration will be approached as a social drama, not incriminating them as criminals, yes, I am totally sure that the American people know what to do and are doing it.

You cannot avoid misinformation in order to create a civil war by foreign countries. I hope you solve the problems, and you have the right to paid vacations and universal health. You are living a historical moment. You are going to restart the country, which was necessary.

Trump has been the drop that has exceeded the cup. The problem is one of education at school so that within a few decades, we can live in peace. The adults, they are hardly going to change their minds. The truth does not matter, the hatred engendered over decades matters.

We already know that not all Americans go out with their guns, like kindergarten children. The street is full of heroes who have decided to change the country. It was time!!!!

Tenebroso

« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2020, 15:15 »
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It is a shame that a US president launches violence on Twitter and has to delete his videos of violent blacks attacking whites.
It is shameful that they have to delete comments that extol hatred and violence.
It is shameful that a president puts links to media, blogs, of dubious information.


The quality and effort of the great American journalists are to be appreciated.
And it is very strange that you have so much patience.
I think you are too good people.

Fortunately, no matter who the political rival is, anyone but Trump is the motto of the American people.

It is a historic moment for the USA.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2020, 15:18 by Tenebroso »

« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2020, 15:16 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesnt make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.


Tenebroso

« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2020, 15:26 »
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Fortunately, in deep America, feminists are already respected. And fortunately, the USA is going to modernize.

Shelma1

« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2020, 15:28 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesnt make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

The mental gymnastics conservatives go through to defend an inherently unfair system are entertaining, I guess.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2020, 16:19 by Shelma1 »

« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2020, 15:37 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.

One candidate campaigned in the battleground states and the other was too busy mingling with celebrities. Blame the candidate who mingled with celebrities instead of the one doing actual campaigning.

Knowing the game is rigged doesnt make the game not rigged. The fact remains that the electoral college is unfair and was purposely designed to be unfair. To make one team always have to fight an uphill battle while the other continually coasts downhill is ridiculous. Why do the Republicans need an unfair advantage? I wonder.

Nothing is rigged. Hillary got over-confident and she paid the price for her arrogance. If she bothered to visit the battleground states instead of staging concerts with celebrities, she would have won. Her defeat falls squarely on her shoulders. The EC is just an excuse for her incompetence.

You see it as being unfair, but many people see fair and equal representation for the states. Federalism protects state sovereignty and the Electoral College is an extension of it. It protects the farmers and the interest of individual states instead of having a bunch of coasters living in bubbles determine the direction for the rest of the country.

The mental gymnastic conservatives go through to defend an inherently unfair system are entertaining, I guess.

This article came out 2 days before 2016 elections. The purpose was to make Trump look bad for not having much celebrity support. It basically details all the concerts and events Hillary had planned with celebrities. They mentioned how Trump was focused on the swing states while Hillary ignored it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html

Hillary had the 2016 election in the bag. A series of campaign blunders cost her the election. If you want to blame anyone, blame the person who failed to connect with the people. Hillary played a game of chess and lost and then complained that it wasn't a game of checkers.

« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2020, 16:09 »
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Voter Suppression???
AFTER White House officials learned of Hickss symptoms, Trump and his entourage flew Thursday to New Jersey, where he attended a fundraiser at his golf club in Bedminster and delivered a speech. Trump was in close contact with dozens of other people, including campaign supporters, at a roundtable event.

The president did not wear a mask Thursday, including at the events at his golf course and on the plane, officials said. He was tested after he returned to the White House, but he also appeared on Sean Hannitys TV show from the residence by telephone.
--MS news

« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2020, 16:21 »
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Both candidates knew how the Electoral College works. The popular vote never mattered.
...
the point is the system is undemocratic & a long way from 1 person: 1 vote
doesnt change the fact that it is tilted towards red (republican) states

eg:

WA state (blue) has 7.5 million pop  w 10 representatives + 2 senators = 12 electoral votes
 
ID, ND, SD, WY, MT,UT has SAME pop and 10 representatives, but TWELVE senators = 22 electoral votes


 

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