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« Reply #100 on: October 07, 2020, 18:53 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.


Tenebroso

« Reply #101 on: October 07, 2020, 19:01 »
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In conclusion. Trump won the election. The American people decided who their president was.

And it seems that the political rivals did not put a political animal, a young man with charisma, they did not think that this situation was going to come. Anyone except Trump.

Fascinating.

« Reply #102 on: October 07, 2020, 19:10 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.

If the US goes too far left, it's going to affect me and everyone else. Too many people lack common sense, and doesn't look at the consequences. People here complaining about a rate cut from SS, but totally oblivious to the fact that many Americans will be losing quit a bit of their income if too many of the far-left policies get implemented. I'm talking about paying over $5,000 extra in taxes per year for the middle class... maybe more.

The US will go down a toilet or turn into a toilet, like many Democrat-run cities if we don't follow common-sense policies. Most people only want to have feel-good policies, but guess what, this is what happens when the bleeding hearts have too much control. And yes, this affects me. I live in the SF area.

Homelessness in LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzWSowCz_Ow

Chaos by the Bay: The Truth About Homelessness in San Francisco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8MACDZ3RI

« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 19:15 by Minsc »

Tenebroso

« Reply #103 on: October 07, 2020, 19:17 »
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We will listen to Kamala, there is a possibility that she will be the next President of the USA.

« Reply #104 on: October 07, 2020, 19:18 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.


Wow! All the bullying tricks coming out. Take a statement and twist it. I didnt say I didnt understand it, I said "I didnt care about YOUR PREJUDICES".

Calm down, man. Stop the hate. Its hurting you too because you cant be objective.

« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2020, 19:24 »
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The fact is that the electoral college was designed to give conservatives a bigger voice than their actual numbers should give them, and that legacy continues today, with Republican losers becoming president anyway. All other offices use the popular vote...theres absolutely no reason for the presidential vote to be any different.
ah, your mistaken belief is that conservatives were the slave owners in the first place.

No, my correct knowledge that conservatives were slave owners. Before the 1960's conservatives were called Democrats, but the parties flipped, and today conservatives are called Republicans. They may have a different name, but they're the same set of people who declared war on their own country in order to keep slavery alive, who created the electoral college to count their slaves as 3/5 of a person when they voted so they'd have outsized power, and still try today to push everyone who isn't white and male aside. And that includes trying every trick in the book to keep black people from voting...the descendants of the very people they once counted as 3/5 of a person when they cast their votes.

The parties never flipped.

Yes, they did. But the people didn't.

The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

But later it did flip. Around about the time of the Roosevelts is when it started. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and leader of the Republicans, but left later and started his own party because he felt the party was becoming too conservative. Not sure what happened to that party. But his cousin and nephew-in-law, FDR was a democratic AND a progressive.

Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

But its the demographics that didn't change. The South being predominately conservative, and the North progressive, liberal.

You only want to believe that it flipped because the Democrats are linked to the KKK, Jim Crow and Slavery. Democrats used racism to achieve their goals and they're still using it today with identity politics and race baiting.

What Michelle is referring to is the 1964 Civil Rights Act, where the myth of the flip began. I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

Has values changed with times? Of course it has. Everything changes over time. The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left. They have become racist, intolerant and to an certain extent, fascist. Just because you don't like the history of Democrat party doesn't mean it flipped. It changes over time, but it's still the same party. One example I can give is Hillary Clinton. She was against gay marriage in 2004 and she changed her mind over the years, but her history of being against gay marriage is still there. It's her and she is still the same person. This is also true of the Democrat party. They supported certain things when it was convenient and supported others when it was more convenient, but the history doesn't go away.

The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

In other words, you can't refute any of it.

LOL. Talk to the hand, mate. Look at my icon, I'm from Australia and I don't care about your prejudices.

I just want a 'leader of the free world' that's going to clean up the big mess. I dont want USA to go down the toilet. I want you guys to be strong, and stop with all the political shite. Otherwise, who knows whats going to happen - and thats scary for everyone.

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.


Wow! All the bullying tricks coming out. Take a statement and twist it. I didnt say I didnt understand it, I said "I didnt care about YOUR PREJUDICES".

Calm down, man. Stop the hate. Its hurting you too because you cant be objective.

You called me prejudiced first, and when I say something back, you get all flustered and called me a "bully".

It's pretty clear you don't want to engage in conversation, just name calling and then pretend to be the victim.

Shelma1

« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2020, 19:38 »
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Just a reminder that Trump has the rona. Maybe. Wonder how Chris Christies doing?

« Reply #107 on: October 08, 2020, 06:39 »
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This thread is a great reminder to get out there in a hazmat suit and VOTE!

« Reply #108 on: October 08, 2020, 07:19 »
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  The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.   

LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trumps ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄

Tenebroso

« Reply #109 on: October 08, 2020, 08:33 »
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The aforementioned, Trump, is the president, because that is how the people have decided.

It seems that there are still adult Americans, with the right to vote, who defend it. This is the problem. And it must be solved now, so as not to continue like this forever.

I hope that Biden, legislate on the Right to Information, and bring to the judge those who lie in public. Manipulating is not informing. Legislating Hate speech, insulting feminists, is not acceptable for minors to consume. We are responsible when we drive, on the internet, we are responsible for our words.

Eliminating manipulation, leading the judge to lie in public. Taking to the judge whoever insults a transsexual. And abide by the law of decades of abortion. You will ensure that the internet is not a transmission of hate.

Without hatred, the country will be able to advance. And if they do not like that the entire population is treated equally in health, they must be taught from school, less communism is bad and more real solidarity. Donate is to give alms of what is left over. There is a lot of work, there are still people who support Trump.

Pence talks about the work being above the planet. They still do not know that we are attacked by a global pandemic against humanity, there is no work without people's health. And second without planet, there is nothing. You are isolated and alone. The damage that you have done to yourself is so serious that it is difficult for you to recover one day as leaders of the planet.

Raise taxes on families? As long as the rich pay, there is money to spare.


End of the American empire, not by Trump, by American society, which has been able to name a Trump president of the USA. It seems science fiction, but it is real, Trump has become president of the USA.

Hatred blinds people. They have not yet found out that humanity is under attack.

« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2020, 08:46 »
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  The aforementioned, Trump, is the president, because that is how the people have decided.   

You can say that a billion times, but it still doesnt make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and its aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.

Tenebroso

« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2020, 09:05 »
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You'll see how with this electoral system, which of course is unfair, from my point of view for thousands of reasons, for example, the DC state.
From here, you will see how in November, if authoritarianism allows the people to vote, you will see, how no more than his family votes for Trump, the lonely, isolated people who report on fascist blogs, the uninformed, and those who charge money.

Ordinary citizens, with common sense, will not vote for Trump. With 4 years, it has been more than enough, for the people to say, enough already.
You'll see, if they let you vote, how the votes come out, totally blue. Of course, you will need the generals of the army to access the white house in January.

In addition, you will have a social revolt in the streets, of those, with free time, who teach weapons in public, because at home, no one listens to them. These people do not accept that their country is stolen from them. They think that the country, the anthem, the flag is theirs.
You have many problems. And very serious. They talk about the flu, anything, as long as they stay in power, crushing and exploiting the citizen.

Trump is not president because he was voted in Argentina or Canada. It was the USA that has placed a comedian and showman in the White House.

It does not matter exactly the same, how is the electoral law, anyone will win, except Trump.

And in November we will say, the American people have expelled Trump from the White House, with this totally unfair system of elections.

It is so unfair that instead of making politics for the people, they are dedicated to asking for donations to continue * milk from the cow for free during the four years. Perpetual elections, perennial. Less electoral campaign and more politics for the people.

Hunger, evictions, suicides, addictions, .....

There is a lot of work.

Tenebroso

« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2020, 09:29 »
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After the Second World War, while Spain was starving under a military dictatorship, the USA sent us powdered milk for the children at school.

The international community will help you now, that you are going to live a period of important transition towards freedom.

You are going to modify and reform the country. Restart, according to the current time. And you must heal the wounds of the past and evolve.

You must fight to become a great country again. You have already lost hegemony.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2020, 10:22 »
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The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.

Come on, wake up.

Now tell the truth please? Formerly convicted felons lost the right to vote. FL passed an amendment restoring their rights, if they paid their outstanding fines from the crimes. You twisted the truth to make it sound like people with simple fines couldn't vote.

The ballot measure restored voting rights to felons who have completed "all terms of their sentence, including parole or probation." It excludes those convicted of murder or sexual offenses.

"The only reason you're paying restitution is because you were convicted of a felony."

Restitution

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #114 on: October 10, 2020, 04:18 »
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Quote
  The Democrat party of today is slowly reverting back to the Democrat party of the early 1900s. They are encouraging mob rule. They are trying to silence people with revenge culture. They are trying to take free speech away from people. They are trying to promote segregation in the name of social justice. Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.   

LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trumps ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄

you are suggesting Trump's rallies come with violence? you should google Dr Karlyn Borysenko. she was a lefty who went to a Trump rally.

If the election were about 'who acts like the nicest person" then sure, Biden will win. although Mike Pence seems nice enough too, after watching that VP debate.

but look at the verb "acts". Trump isn't acting, he can't fake it. he's so * real. The politicians have been at it so long they don't know how to be real anymore. I really loved Andrew Yang, he seemed to be the leader the whole world needed, but the media and the Dems squashed him, even though he had so much grassroots and online support.
this election is a joke: between the has-been and the Loudmouth.  I reckon we call can agree on that.

But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2020, 04:43 by gillian vann »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #115 on: October 10, 2020, 08:38 »
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But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
For sure, the rest of the world doesn't need an anti-science climate change denier.

« Reply #116 on: October 10, 2020, 14:51 »
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Ah, that old chestnut... which you've got wrong! What you meant to say was was the 'mistaken belief that the Republicans were the slave owners', not the conservatives. It was always the conservatives who defended slavery, they just went by a different name back then.

Yeah, Southern Democrats?

Oh wait they traded an end to Reconstruction, and removal of Federal troops after the Civil War, for the Presidency, gave it to the Republicans. Those wonderful Democrats who didn't want to end slavery, didn't want equal rights, the same people who not only oppressed the Blacks but segregated them, blocked voting rights, and didn't want school integration.

The South had extra seats in the Electoral College because of its slaves. Yeah those slave owners again and the Democrats. Eight of the first nine presidential elections were won by candidates who were plantation owners from Virginia, then Americas biggest state. Note for those from other countries who like to dabble in being critical of American politics, Virginia was on the Confederacy side of the secession and the civil war.

The Republican Party, was founded in 1848 with the abolition of slavery as its core mission. Almost immediately after its second presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln, won the 1860 election, Democrat-controlled southern states seceded on the assumption that Lincoln would destroy their slave-based economies.

After the Republicans dragged the South and the Democrats, by their heels, into equal legal rights for all American citizens, allowing blacks to vote and an end to segregation, then the Democrats suddenly became the party of the minorities? Wow what a bunch of hypocrites. They didn't desegregate the party until the middle 1960s.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: House support 61% Democrat, 81% Republican. Senate 69% Democrat, 82% Republican. Democrats in the same era were also against granting voting rights to Blacks.

Biden speaking in 1975, advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing their own identity.

Don't believe the re-writing of history, without looking at the documented facts.
   Uncle Pete you are spot on....Great writing and the truth...Well stated....

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #117 on: October 10, 2020, 15:24 »
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Ah, that old chestnut... which you've got wrong! What you meant to say was was the 'mistaken belief that the Republicans were the slave owners', not the conservatives. It was always the conservatives who defended slavery, they just went by a different name back then.


Yeah, Southern Democrats?

Oh wait they traded an end to Reconstruction, and removal of Federal troops after the Civil War, for the Presidency, gave it to the Republicans. Those wonderful Democrats who didn't want to end slavery, didn't want equal rights, the same people who not only oppressed the Blacks but segregated them, blocked voting rights, and didn't want school integration.

The South had extra seats in the Electoral College because of its slaves. Yeah those slave owners again and the Democrats. Eight of the first nine presidential elections were won by candidates who were plantation owners from Virginia, then Americas biggest state. Note for those from other countries who like to dabble in being critical of American politics, Virginia was on the Confederacy side of the secession and the civil war.

The Republican Party, was founded in 1848 with the abolition of slavery as its core mission. Almost immediately after its second presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln, won the 1860 election, Democrat-controlled southern states seceded on the assumption that Lincoln would destroy their slave-based economies.

After the Republicans dragged the South and the Democrats, by their heels, into equal legal rights for all American citizens, allowing blacks to vote and an end to segregation, then the Democrats suddenly became the party of the minorities? Wow what a bunch of hypocrites. They didn't desegregate the party until the middle 1960s.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: House support 61% Democrat, 81% Republican. Senate 69% Democrat, 82% Republican. Democrats in the same era were also against granting voting rights to Blacks.

Biden speaking in 1975, advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing their own identity.

Don't believe the re-writing of history, without looking at the documented facts.
   Uncle Pete you are spot on....Great writing and the truth...Well stated....


I didn't want to get into the name calling and angry shouting, just some historical facts.

The Democrats want to pretend they are somehow different from the Republicans, and they are on the side of kindness and understanding, "we love everyone", they care about us, but I see that only as a way to get votes, gain power, and be politicians just like every one of the rest of them, no matter what faction or party.

Don't think I take sides, based on party lines, I don't like Trump either. He's rude, not Presidential, outspoken without facts and changes his own words to fit whatever his agenda.

Another tiny fact as I see left people crying on the forums and blogs and just about everywhere, that the districts are rigged to favor the Republicans. Democrats invented gerrymandering and the concept was named after a Democrat governor of Massachusetts, 1912, Elbridge Gerry. The governor had helped cobble together a voting district that looked a lot like a salamander on the map. Gerry + salamander became gerrymandering.  ;D

I don't see them actually changing anything if the Dems get into more power, because, the ability to control voting populations will benefit them as well. Two cases that I found, without much effort, were the state of IL where Dems set it up to their benefit http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2020/09/democrats-hotly-oppose-gerrymandering-except-in-illinois/

IL 4th district  :o



And some out east, like Maryland's 6th congressional district:



The county has the Electoral System, that's how people get elected President, the same rules apply equally for everyone. Trump won, playing by the system, just the same as HRC lost. Time to stop complaining that there was something unfair and because the popular vote went her way "she should have won". If you don't like the laws and the rules, change them. Otherwise, live with the decisions and outcome.

Everyone who isn't voting by mail, don't forget to go and cast your choice and voice you opinion, that's where it matters, not here on a forum. No one is going to change or be convinced by angry messages or fighting and name calling. In fact I doubt that anyone here will change anything they already believe, one bit, even with plain and simple facts that I collected, because minds are made up, party lines are drawn and that's the way it is.

Don't Forget To Vote!

« Reply #118 on: October 10, 2020, 16:31 »
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...... Many are not going to like what I've said, but that's just the truth.

Woah! A lot of political propaganda in there!

yep lots of trash talk with little substance - anytime people have to TELL you they're telling the truth you have be suspicious. - intelligent people DO change over time as new information becomes available -- that's the role of activists and scientists who change minds by talking heads, not by bashing heads. Given a choice between the rigid faith of climate change deniers, evolution deniers, covid deniers, etc, etc - very time i'll take a Hilary who can change with the times rather than ultraconservatives in many states (and some on SCOTUS) who until relatively recently  still supported miscegenation and anti-sodomy laws. 

 

« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2020, 17:08 »
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 We can't refute anything you said?

   
The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.
The confederacy broke away from the Union and had no connection to legitimate parties - the Democratic party continued to run for office in the Union


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Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.



don't guess, you're just showing laziness or ignorance -- research it if you're not sure.  The Kennedy's played a part but they didnt solidify anything - 2 were murdered before they could achieve their goals.
 

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The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left.


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In other words, you can't refute any of it.
Not just 'any' -- most is easily refuted

The Democratic left (and those of us non-Ds who held out noses to vote for the lesser of 2 weevils!) has always had problems with the party's centrist candidates - just since the 60s we had RFK, Gene McCarthy, McGovern, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and on .. who ran against the party 'favorite'.  Until the republicans drank the koolaid, US politics consisted of 2 center-right parties, with only minor differences (judged in comparison to European parties). The changes in the Ds in the last 10years are minor compared to the 50-70s


 
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I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.
saying you proved it doesn't make it so
 bit more detail debunking your claim the south didnt change til the 90s:
 
>>>  when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the partys 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the Dixiecrats, held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their States Rights ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.
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The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.

The change wasnt total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early 70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a Southern strategy that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (whod wanted segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican partys hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. Its an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners wouldve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln.
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from
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

« Reply #120 on: October 10, 2020, 17:22 »
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If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.
  ROFLMAO - pot to kettle!
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If the US goes too far left, it's going to affect me and everyone else. Too many people lack common sense, and doesn't look at the consequences. People here complaining about a rate cut from SS, but totally oblivious to the fact that many Americans will be losing quit a bit of their income if too many of the far-left policies get implemented.
as opposed to a party that has wrecked the economy; destroyed treaties and agreements preventing nuclear arms and climate change w/o replacing them (Iran is now closer to a nuclear weapon than when trump took overr), tried to destroy NATO and imposed tariffs on our ALLIES!  gave up negotiating positions to Israel, Russia Turkey, N Korea among others before even starting talks? may destroy the partial health care system we have, again w/o replacing it
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I'm talking about paying over $5,000 extra in taxes per year for the middle class... maybe more.
maybe YOU'RE talking about it but no one on the left hs said anything like that - Biden's proposal raises taxes on incomes over $400k. compare that to trump' ONLY legislative accomplishment (and who CAN'T pass a tax cut!) which gave over 80% of the benefits to the top 1% while giving a pittance to the middle class

« Reply #121 on: October 10, 2020, 17:25 »
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The so called democracy, states make is nearly impossible for people to vote, in some states if you have outstanding fines, you can't vote.

Come on, wake up.

Now tell the truth please? Formerly convicted felons lost the right to vote. FL passed an amendment restoring their rights, if they paid their outstanding fines from the crimes. You twisted the truth to make it sound like people with simple fines couldn't vote.

The ballot measure restored voting rights to felons who have completed "all terms of their sentence, including parole or probation." It excludes those convicted of murder or sexual offenses.

"The only reason you're paying restitution is because you were convicted of a felony."

Restitution

of course white collar criminals and tax cheats (like those who owe the IRS $75million) plea bargain and still get to vote

« Reply #122 on: October 10, 2020, 17:27 »
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But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
For sure, the rest of the world doesn't need an anti-science climate change denier.

not 'denier' - an ENTIRE party that not only denies climate change, but covid, evolution,...

« Reply #123 on: October 10, 2020, 17:41 »
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Don't think I take sides, based on party lines, I don't like Trump either. He's rude, not Presidential, outspoken without facts and changes his own words to fit whatever his agenda.
 
 
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Don't Forget To Vote!

true the dems will redistrict to their advantage - they made major mistake when they failed to counter the  Rs efforts to gain control of state legislatures and eventually federal judicial appts

but it doesnt have to be this way - redistricting doesnt have to be done by the majority party --many states now use other means -- eg, here in WA:

Congressional and state legislative districts are drawn by a five-person commission under a constitutional amendment approved by voters in 1983. The majority and minority party leaders in both legislative chambers each appoint one commissioner, who cannot be an officeholder or lobbyist. Those four members then select a fifth, nonvoting member who serves as chairman. Legislators can amend the commissions maps with a two-thirds vote of each chamber, but their changes can shift no more than 2 percent of the population among districts. Districts should be composed of convenient, contiguous and compact territory and not drawn to purposely favor or discriminate against any political party or group.

from"Number of states using redistricting commissions growing"
https://apnews.com/article/4d2e2aea7e224549af61699e51c955dd

also
https://indivisible.org/resource/fighting-gerrymandering-states

« Reply #124 on: October 10, 2020, 21:13 »
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But what does the world need right now? that's the question.
For sure, the rest of the world doesn't need an anti-science climate change denier.

not 'denier' - an ENTIRE party that not only denies climate change, but covid, evolution,...

You are talking about same people which offered whole world  clear proof Iraq is in possession of weapons of mass destruction that hasn't been found until today?

About a psychopath HRC laughing out on a lynch of a another leader being slaughtered on the streets without a trial that any thief is entailed by international law?

The world need few new little wars and invasions ASAP, and this current ass..le at least doesn't slaughter people around the word awarding himself Nobel peace award.   



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