Mike Pence seems nice enough too, after watching that VP debate.

I've restrained myself and stayed out of this little political kerfluffle, but I do have to respond to your statement that Mike Pence "seems nice enough."

Yes, he did seem nice enough, except that he lied and lied and lied his way through that encounter with Kamala Harris. He has an amazing, preternatural gift for telling lies in the softest, most reasonable-sounding voice imaginable. But still, they are lies.

I really like this quote from Juli�n Castro, the former mayor of San Antonio, Texas: "What Mike Pence adds to the ticket is that he lies in a calm voice."

The actual winner of that "debate," IMHO, was the fly that spent a minute or more gazing out at the world from atop Pence's sleek silver head.

Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that�s funny. 

"The actual winner of that "debate," IMHO, was the fly that spent a minute or more gazing out at the world from atop Pence's sleek silver head."

I'm not claiming to be an Entomologist but flies have a tendency to land on places that stink, don't they?

You betcha! 

Flies tend to land and linger and dine on the disgusting offal that nothing else will touch.

Which is entirely appropriate in this case� and helps to prove my argument! 

Quote from: trabuco on October 11, 2020, 05:38

Best-President-Ever:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-wanted-to-wear-a-superman-shirt-when-he-left-the-hospital-to-show-he-was-covid-free-nyt

4 more Superyears!

The thread is about Trump getting rona. And then infecting everyone around him. But go ahead and ignore that, and deflect to a superman shirt. As if that�s funny. 

You should follow your own rules.

LOL Your truth, maybe. To me, that sounds a lot like Trump and the Republicans. Just watch Trump�s ads. Just listen to the names Trump et al. love calling people. Just watch Trump rallies and the violence. 🙄

You can say that a billion times, but it still doesn�t make it true. The people, the popular vote, elected HRC. The electoral college and it�s aforementioned-in-great-length flaws, elected Trump.

We can't refute anything you said?

Quote from: Minsc on October 07, 2020, 18:44

   
The Republican Party (with Abraham Lincoln as the president) was the Progressive party who freed the slaves, and Democratic Party (with Jefferson Davis as the President of Confederate States during the Civil War) were the conservatives.

The confederacy broke away from the Union and had no connection to legitimate parties - the Democratic party continued to run for office in the Union

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Michelle said above that it happened during the 60s, so I am guessing that's when it all solidified with the Kennedys, but there was a change that started with Teddy Roosevelt.

don't guess, you're just showing laziness or ignorance -- research it if you're not sure.  The Kennedy's played a part but they didnt solidify anything - 2 were murdered before they could achieve their goals.
 

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The Democrat party of today is no longer the Democrat party under Obama, where he has more classical liberal values, which would be considered conservative values today by the left. If people look at some of his beliefs from 2008, you'd think he was a Republican. Obama moved further left in his 2nd term, but what he said in 2008 mirrors a lot of what Trump said in 2016 regarding illegal immigration and a variety of other issues.

The Democrat party of today has changed so much that it has become unrecognizable from the Democrat party I SUPPORTED in 2008. The party has moved much further left.


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In other words, you can't refute any of it.

Not just 'any' -- most is easily refuted

The Democratic left (and those of us non-Ds who held out noses to vote for the lesser of 2 weevils!) has always had problems with the party's centrist candidates - just since the 60s we had RFK, Gene McCarthy, McGovern, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and on .. who ran against the party 'favorite'.  Until the republicans drank the koolaid, US politics consisted of 2 center-right parties, with only minor differences (judged in comparison to European parties). The changes in the Ds in the last 10years are minor compared to the 50-70s


 

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I proved that it didn't flip by pointing out that the 20 of the 21 people that voted against the Civil Rights Act did not become Republicans after the Civil Rights Act. They remained Democrats until the end of their service and replaced by other Democrats. Republicans didn't start winning the South until the early 90's, nearly 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights act. And this happened mostly due to changing voting demographics.

saying you proved it doesn't make it so
 bit more detail debunking your claim the south didnt change til the 90s:
 
>>>  when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the party�s 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the �Dixiecrats,� held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their �States� Rights� ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.
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The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, �I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.�

The change wasn�t total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early �70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a �Southern strategy� that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (who�d wanted �segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever�) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican party�s hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. It�s an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners would�ve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln.
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https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

Half the stuff you quoted isn't even from me.

And like I said, whatever the Democrats has done in the past stays with them. Just like how HRC was against gay marriage before she changed her mind. Just because the stance has been adjusted doesn't mean it's no longer part of their history. Voting demographics changed throughout history and it will continue to change in the decades ahead. The fact is that Democrats are the party of slavery and Jim Crow and that's part of their history.

Quote from: Minsc on October 07, 2020, 19:10

If you don't understand American politics, maybe you shouldn't talk about it.

  ROFLMAO - pot to kettle!

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If the US goes too far left, it's going to affect me and everyone else. Too many people lack common sense, and doesn't look at the consequences. People here complaining about a rate cut from SS, but totally oblivious to the fact that many Americans will be losing quit a bit of their income if too many of the far-left policies get implemented.

as opposed to a party that has wrecked the economy; destroyed treaties and agreements preventing nuclear arms and climate change w/o replacing them (Iran is now closer to a nuclear weapon than when trump took overr), tried to destroy NATO and imposed tariffs on our ALLIES!  gave up negotiating positions to Israel, Russia Turkey, N Korea among others before even starting talks? may destroy the partial health care system we have, again w/o replacing it

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I'm talking about paying over $5,000 extra in taxes per year for the middle class... maybe more.

maybe YOU'RE talking about it but no one on the left hs said anything like that - Biden's proposal raises taxes on incomes over $400k. compare that to trump' ONLY legislative accomplishment (and who CAN'T pass a tax cut!) which gave over 80% of the benefits to the top 1% while giving a pittance to the middle class

COVID-19 wrecked the economy. You are being dishonest by blaming a virus on Trump. Every economy in the WORLD followed a similar pattern that affected the US economy. It was booming before COVID-19 took hold. You're no different from the people who blame hurricanes and flooding on Trump. Just completely dishonest.

Again, most people don't understand the Paris agreement. It was basically the US paying other countries to pollute. We were paying China and India to pollute and there was no action plan in place for any of the countries. They were given the freedom to pollute until 2030 with no obligation to put a plan in place. That's not an agreement, it was a free handout. Iran is no closer to anything, stop making things up. NATO allies are finally paying their dues instead of getting a free protection service. Trump brought peace to the Koreas, as well as crafting a peace deal in the Middle East that was thought to be impossible. All the points you brought up made little to no sense. It's like they're talking points from 3 years ago.

Regarding taxes, why should I believe anything from Biden? Under Trump, I know for a fact that my taxes won't get raised. I'm in the middle class and I benefited from Trump's tax cuts. Under Biden, it'll be a rolling budget where they try to accommodate as many (free handout) programs as they can. When they run out of money, and they will if you do the math instead of listening to lies, they're going to raise taxes on the middle class. I live in a Democrat state where new taxes are introduced yearly and you expect me to trust Biden's empty words after experiencing the incompetence of California Democrats? Get out of there.

COVID-19 wrecked the economy. You are dishonest by blaming a virus on Trump. Every economy in the WORLD followed a similar pattern that affected the US economy. It was booming before COVID-19 took hold. You're no different from the people who blame hurricanes and flooding on Trump. Just completely dishonest.

You are falling so hard for governmental propaganda!

While it's true that the pandemic had an impact on most countries, the American economy suffered disproportionately more because of the catastrophic lack of leadership from the "Spreader in Chief" during these difficult times.

The dollar has tanked, making our work less valuable. Not only the national debt has risen to unprecedented values, but also the national debt in reference to the GDP broke all records, beating the previous peak recorded immediately after WWII.
That's so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their fiscally conservative values! 

There was massive dumping of fiat money in the economy, only to keep the stock market afloat because that's the only KPI the moron in chief cares about. And that's a hidden tax we all pay from our pockets, on top of the price hikes imposed on us the consumers, by his stupid trade wars. And that's again, so precious, for a so-called republican, who traditionally chest beat themselves with their love for the free market 

And it's not just about macro-economics, did you check the prices in your supermarket lately? Just do it and remember what you used to pay for the same products (milk, bread, etc) earlier this year.


As for the pre-covid situation, again, so much governmental propaganda! Check the attached stats:

I admit that I was wrong with POTU. I thought that the planet would not last more than 13 days with him in power. I was wrong, I did not know to see that what I was going to do was to end the world hegemony of your country. North America ends at the Canadian border.

The planet, is still attentive, impressed and incredulous to the session of stupid, nonsensical and disgusting and stupid comments that delights us every hour on Twitter. It makes us blush and ashamed that in the USA anyone can get to be POTU. Congratulations and enjoy it.

It is you who have elected him President of the USA.

And I am convinced that there is much more to Baltimore than just rats.

We know the arguments by heart. They repeat over and over again. In 4chan it is organized and then it is disseminated throughout the network.

Long live transsexuals and feminists.

The planet, is still attentive, impressed and incredulous to the session of stupid, nonsensical and disgusting and stupid comments that delights us every hour on Twitter. It makes us blush and ashamed that in the USA anyone can get to be POTU. Congratulations and enjoy it.

It is you who have elected him President of the USA.

I'm an American who has already voted AGAINST Donald Trump this time around. And I did not vote for him the last time either.

BTW, just to make your statement clear� the abbreviation you're trying to use is POTUS (not POTU). That's because it stands for President of the United States.

Unfortunately, as the election system is designed, and that millions of Americans, incredibly Latinos and women, voted for this comic character scares old women and deceives children
With normal, sensible people with common sense, this message from this lower being does not reach them. Sensible people, with common sense, with their own ideas, are vaccinated with nonsense.
Patience, in January, the end of the dictatorial regime of false democracy, which is not mentioned in the Constitution, will come.

Heroes are in the streets, and being an anti-fascist is normal. Who wants fascism?

Quote from: Tenebroso on October 13, 2020, 16:47

The planet, is still attentive, impressed and incredulous to the session of stupid, nonsensical and disgusting and stupid comments that delights us every hour on Twitter. It makes us blush and ashamed that in the USA anyone can get to be POTU. Congratulations and enjoy it.

It is you who have elected him President of the USA.

I'm an American who has already voted AGAINST Donald Trump this time around. And I did not vote for him the last time either.

I just dropped my ballot in a secure box today.