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Title: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Microstockphoto on July 16, 2018, 12:27
Trump backing putin basically sayin our intelligence services have it wrong, wow, just wow. suggesting the russians should be part of the muller investigation. come again.

thats serious. lukcily this isnt the late 40s for mr trump,.

Putin has trump in his back pocket.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: ShadySue on July 16, 2018, 12:49
From a UK satirical news quiz (top post at this moment, I don't know how to link to just one):
https://www.facebook.com/HaveIGotNewsForYou/photos/a.480809768770138.1073741828.470137386504043/933992773451833/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/HaveIGotNewsForYou/photos/a.480809768770138.1073741828.470137386504043/933992773451833/?type=3&theater)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: RAW on July 16, 2018, 12:50
Trump's a scumbag.
Don't be surprised when he does scumbaggy things.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: UKstock on July 16, 2018, 12:55
I was in my gym this morning in California with about 15 other middle aged Anericans. I was the only person reading the subtitles on the tv screens showing the Trump / Putin summit.  I just don't  think Anetican people care about the news. Im the only Brit there so I guess its a cultural thing.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: stockastic on July 16, 2018, 13:22
People who get their reality from Fox are being led down a very strange path indeed.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: obj owl on July 16, 2018, 13:27
People who get their reality from Fox are being led down a very strange path indeed.

I take it Trump is one of those people.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Microstockphoto on July 16, 2018, 13:31
this is on all the news channels
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: jjneff on July 16, 2018, 13:49
Never seen so much butt smooching!! Disgusting to me
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 16, 2018, 13:57
this is on all the news channels


Whatever they say it will be “fake news”, according to him. What a tool.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: nobody on July 16, 2018, 14:16
Putin must really have a 'big' pocket to fit Trump in...   :)

Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 16, 2018, 14:35
He committed treason today and needs to go NOW!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: ShadySue on July 16, 2018, 14:37
In case Americans don't know, he advised our PM to "sue the EU" over the Brexit that the majority of the UK (not Scotland or NI) voted for, but didn't give any grounds (as there aren't any) for her to do so. Eejit.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 16, 2018, 20:23
In case Americans don't know, he advised our PM to "sue the EU" over the Brexit that the majority of the UK (not Scotland or NI) voted for, but didn't give any grounds (as there aren't any) for her to do so. Eejit.


We know. #traitor
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: stockastic on July 16, 2018, 22:00
This latest debacle may actually cost him a measurable amount of support. Don't count on it though. Remember, Trump people only know what Trump, and Fox, tell them. They're not even aware of what's going on. And anyway, what about Hilary Clinton's emails?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: jorgophotography on July 16, 2018, 23:47
While I’m not a proponent of partisan politics, and by no means a supporter of the Trump - Republicans (or the Dems for that fact). What the media fails to talk about, is the US interventionism into other foreign nations elections via overt and covert means. If you're calling out Russia on electoral manipulation, you must also call out the US meddling. You want to know how foreign policy really operates in the US? Look up the book ‘Confessions of an economic hitman’ by John Perkins, here’s a quick interview with the man himself ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 17, 2018, 02:35
While I’m not a proponent of partisan politics, and by no means a supporter of the Trump - Republicans (or the Dems for that fact). What the media fails to talk about, is the US interventionism into other foreign nations elections via overt and covert means. If you're calling out Russia on electoral manipulation, you must also call out the US meddling. You want to know how foreign policy really operates in the US? Look up the book ‘Confessions of an economic hitman’ by John Perkins, here’s a quick interview with the man himself ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t)

You can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. It's okay to be furious about the US's history of backing or even orchestrating coups around the world, often to put fascists in power, to further US economic or political interests and also be furious as an American to see your country attacked. Until recently it was okay to criticise your government and hold them to account for their wrongs, at least in the US.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: derek on July 17, 2018, 05:11
Hahaha!  nobody knows anything about anything! media is angry, left out in the dark!....the only thing we see and hear is the usual leftie/lib guessing crap! and lies!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 17, 2018, 07:05
The Russians have been cultivating Trump as an asset for more than 20 years.  It makes you wonder what they have on him that he would debase himself so much - proof of his money laundering most likely, but who knows what else.  Of course he will trust Putin and disparage US intelligence - Mueller's investigation points to the collusion that got him "elected" in the first place.  We have been in a de facto cyber war against Russia (or at least they are against us - not sure if we are fighting back).  Colluding with an enemy during wartime is the definition of treason.  Trump is a traitor and should be impeached immediately as he obviously is not serving the interests of the US.

The most disgusting thing is not Trump, it is his Republican enablers who allow this travesty to continue.  If a Democrat had pulled any of the nonsense Trump does on a daily basis the Republicans and their Fox propaganda outlet would be calling for impeachment immediately - and rightly so.  Yet Trump continues to destroy everything about the US and the Republicans do nothing.  They are still planning congressional races based on who is the biggest Trump supporter.  Trump's base appears to be a bunch of brain-dead morons who will support him no matter what.  This is the biggest threat to the US in my lifetime and when you look at similar phenomena worldwide makes me wonder whether democracy is a tenable form of government over the long term.  I hope the Democrats can get their act together and come up with a strategy for helping the country before it is too late.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Microstockphoto on July 17, 2018, 07:50
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the only thing we see and hear is the usual leftie/lib guessing crap! and lies!

how do you know, if

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nobody knows anything about anything

/scratcheshead

Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Microstockphoto on July 17, 2018, 07:51
sgoodwin4813 - a golden shower

stockastic - FOX is blasting trump on this one
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: niktol on July 17, 2018, 08:13
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Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: stockastic on July 17, 2018, 11:02
sgoodwin4813 - a golden shower

stockastic - FOX is blasting trump on this one

You mean FOX actually hit a limit?   But surely Hannity is still loyal.   
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sharpshot on July 17, 2018, 13:25
Trump comes across as a complete idiot.  I'm sure there's several things mentally wrong with him but the fact that he couldn't walk up and down a few steps, without clinging on to Theresa May, makes me think he has a physical problem as well.  He also talks like he's on drugs, not the ones that make you happy.  I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet, surely can't be long now?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: DallasP on July 17, 2018, 14:37
New campaign hats
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Microstockphoto on July 17, 2018, 14:38
he's just done a 180 and now claims he meant to say that russia was involved, basically didnt have to guts to say it standing next to putin,

what a wimp
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: ShadySue on July 17, 2018, 14:39
New campaign hats

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Pauws99 on July 17, 2018, 15:17
Trump comes across as a complete idiot.  I'm sure there's several things mentally wrong with him but the fact that he couldn't walk up and down a few steps, without clinging on to Theresa May, makes me think he has a physical problem as well.  He also talks like he's on drugs, not the ones that make you happy.  I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet, surely can't be long now?
Hes not a good advert for being teetotal.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 17, 2018, 16:16
Trump comes across as a complete idiot.  I'm sure there's several things mentally wrong with him but the fact that he couldn't walk up and down a few steps, without clinging on to Theresa May, makes me think he has a physical problem as well.  He also talks like he's on drugs, not the ones that make you happy.  I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet, surely can't be long now?


According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 17, 2018, 16:20
sgoodwin4813 - a golden shower

stockastic - FOX is blasting trump on this one

You mean FOX actually hit a limit?   But surely Hannity is still loyal.


I don’t know details because I only have OTA TV, but I listened to nbc news a little today and they said Hannity was defending Trump, and the other analysts lit into him. So sounds like some of FOX hit a limit, but Hannity is still loyal.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Shelma1 on July 17, 2018, 16:35
Trump comes across as a complete idiot.  I'm sure there's several things mentally wrong with him but the fact that he couldn't walk up and down a few steps, without clinging on to Theresa May, makes me think he has a physical problem as well.  He also talks like he's on drugs, not the ones that make you happy.  I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet, surely can't be long now?

If you watch Trump, you'll see that he still sounds purposeful and somewhat intelligent when he wants to, for example when he was putting down European leaders recently. The seeming simplemindedness of some of his speeches is aimed at his followers. "I love the uneducated," as he's said. He does it purposely...saying pretty much nothing by rambling incoherently. And they eat it up and think he's saying something meaningful.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: nobody on July 17, 2018, 17:06
I often wonder what role Snowden has played in Russia's intelligence.  Seems like a lot has happen since he defected to Russia. 
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: jorgophotography on July 17, 2018, 21:38
While I’m not a proponent of partisan politics, and by no means a supporter of the Trump - Republicans (or the Dems for that fact). What the media fails to talk about, is the US interventionism into other foreign nations elections via overt and covert means. If you're calling out Russia on electoral manipulation, you must also call out the US meddling. You want to know how foreign policy really operates in the US? Look up the book ‘Confessions of an economic hitman’ by John Perkins, here’s a quick interview with the man himself ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t)

You can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. It's okay to be furious about the US's history of backing or even orchestrating coups around the world, often to put fascists in power, to further US economic or political interests and also be furious as an American to see your country attacked. Until recently it was okay to criticise your government and hold them to account for their wrongs, at least in the US.

Haha, no worries, i'll step out of your echo chamber so i don't disrupt your predisposed thesis. I can only hope one day everyone can come together and stop feeding this media propagated left/right paradigm split which is just a hierarchical ploy to divide and conquer.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 17, 2018, 22:03
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 17, 2018, 22:07
The seeming simplemindedness of some of his speeches is aimed at his followers. "I love the uneducated," as he's said. He does it purposely...saying pretty much nothing by rambling incoherently. And they eat it up and think he's saying something meaningful.

Yes, I agree, the simplemindedness is often intentional and directed at his followers, but the incoherence, repetitiveness, forgetfulness and difficulty walking are more likely early symptoms of dementia.  Due to family history I am acutely aware of the symptoms of dementia and Trump is definitely showing them.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 17, 2018, 23:20
The Russians have been cultivating Trump as an asset for more than 20 years. 

You have proof of this?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 17, 2018, 23:25
NEWS JUST IN

Trump's done a U-turn.

"US President Donald Trump has said he accepts US intelligence agencies' conclusion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election - despite declining to do so just a day ago.

"He said he had misspoken on Monday and had meant to say he saw no reason why it was not Russia that meddled."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44864739 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44864739)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 17, 2018, 23:27
Trump comes across as a complete idiot.  I'm sure there's several things mentally wrong with him but the fact that he couldn't walk up and down a few steps, without clinging on to Theresa May, makes me think he has a physical problem as well.  He also talks like he's on drugs, not the ones that make you happy.  I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet, surely can't be long now?


According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

And yet other research suggests statins can PREVENT Alzheimer's.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 17, 2018, 23:29
While I’m not a proponent of partisan politics, and by no means a supporter of the Trump - Republicans (or the Dems for that fact). What the media fails to talk about, is the US interventionism into other foreign nations elections via overt and covert means. If you're calling out Russia on electoral manipulation, you must also call out the US meddling. You want to know how foreign policy really operates in the US? Look up the book ‘Confessions of an economic hitman’ by John Perkins, here’s a quick interview with the man himself ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU&t)

You can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. It's okay to be furious about the US's history of backing or even orchestrating coups around the world, often to put fascists in power, to further US economic or political interests and also be furious as an American to see your country attacked. Until recently it was okay to criticise your government and hold them to account for their wrongs, at least in the US.

Haha, no worries, i'll step out of your echo chamber so i don't disrupt your predisposed thesis. I can only hope one day everyone can come together and stop feeding this media propagated left/right paradigm split which is just a hierarchical ploy to divide and conquer.

But then again Jorgo could be trying to deflect attention from what's happening today -- which is much more important than what happened in the past.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 18, 2018, 01:24
Trump comes across as a complete idiot.  I'm sure there's several things mentally wrong with him but the fact that he couldn't walk up and down a few steps, without clinging on to Theresa May, makes me think he has a physical problem as well.  He also talks like he's on drugs, not the ones that make you happy.  I'm surprised he hasn't been impeached yet, surely can't be long now?


According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

And yet other research suggests statins can PREVENT Alzheimer's.


LOL. You are reading the wrong research.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 18, 2018, 01:30
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.


LOL You are so, so very wrong.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 18, 2018, 03:02
https://www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/do-statins-reduce-alzheimers-risk/ (https://www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/do-statins-reduce-alzheimers-risk/)

"The “first direct evidence” that statins – cholesterol-lowering drugs – can reduce your risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease by 79% has been found"

"This is reassuring evidence that makes it very unlikely that taking statins can increase the risk of Alzheimer’s disease; whether they decrease the risk is a question that requires further research."

You only need to Google "statins Alzheimer's" there's a lot of stuff out there.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: derek on July 18, 2018, 04:48
Shelma!!  yes thats exactly what he does!  he throws out something, anything and wait for a response a reaction! and then he steams in. Further more he thrives in creating mayhem, loves confusion. Right now when the world is curious as to what was said behind locked doors, hes got every pen-pushing journalist in the world guessing, speculating. He does it on purpose, acting, playing sort of bewildered sometimes.

Nah this guy is not stupid hes got the media the people exactly where he wants it i.e knowing sod all.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 18, 2018, 05:50
https://www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/do-statins-reduce-alzheimers-risk/ (https://www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/do-statins-reduce-alzheimers-risk/)

"The “first direct evidence” that statins – cholesterol-lowering drugs – can reduce your risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease by 79% has been found"

"This is reassuring evidence that makes it very unlikely that taking statins can increase the risk of Alzheimer’s disease; whether they decrease the risk is a question that requires further research."

You only need to Google "statins Alzheimer's" there's a lot of stuff out there.
And you only need to delve in further to know that most research like that is paid for and conducted by the drug companies that make the statins. That university research is paid for by big pHARMa. Go ahead and start taking them...they are such wonder drugs with no side effects! Get back to me when you have brain apoptosis, rhabdomyelysis, kidney disease or diabetes. Or brain fog that turns into alzheimers, or parkinsons. Yeah, you only need to Google statins diabetes  class action suits. You are arguing with the wrong person on this subject. But no matter...as in every other subject, you all are the experts. SMH


You also really need to research how your body uses the cholesterol that your liver makes.  ;)  You found a link that you researched today. I can find links that I have researched since Feb. 2017.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 18, 2018, 06:39
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.


LOL You are so, so very wrong.

Believe what you want, but saying people are wrong and providing no evidence is not very convincing.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 18, 2018, 06:49
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.


LOL You are so, so very wrong.

Believe what you want, but saying people are wrong and providing no evidence is not very convincing.


Do your own research. I have, since Feb. 2017. You would argue I was wrong no matter what I showed you. Here are some people to read if you are really interested...Dr. David Diamond, Dr. Aseem Malhotra, Dr. Barbara Roberts, Dr. Stephen Sinatra.


Whatever is wrong with Trump is speculation on both our parts. My guess is just as legit as yours.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 18, 2018, 08:30
Do your own research. I have, since Feb. 2017.

You're a photographer AND a research biochemist? WOW!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 18, 2018, 09:39
Do your own research. I have, since Feb. 2017.

You're a photographer AND a research biochemist? WOW!


LOL you are SOOO funny!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Microstockphoto on July 18, 2018, 12:48
well this turned sour quickly
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 18, 2018, 13:41
Shelma!!  yes thats exactly what he does!  he throws out something, anything and wait for a response a reaction! and then he steams in. Further more he thrives in creating mayhem, loves confusion. Right now when the world is curious as to what was said behind locked doors, hes got every pen-pushing journalist in the world guessing, speculating. He does it on purpose, acting, playing sort of bewildered sometimes.

Nah this guy is not stupid hes got the media the people exactly where he wants it i.e knowing sod all.


#traitor


We will find out just how stupid/befuddled he is or isn’t in short order, unless he is booted outta there. #treason

Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: spacedrone808 on July 18, 2018, 13:44
Low-down-crappy-fake politics on microstock forum? Why?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: ShadySue on July 18, 2018, 14:14
Low-down-crappy-fake politics on microstock forum? Why?
It's Off-topic. Why not?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cobalt on July 18, 2018, 17:27
Low-down-crappy-fake politics on microstock forum? Why?

Because we live in the real world?

Also some of us do editorial and political stock as well.

Dońt like the thread, just don‘t follow.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 18, 2018, 21:47
Low-down-crappy-fake politics on microstock forum? Why?

The politics may be low down and crappy, but unfortunately it's very real.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 18, 2018, 22:47
You would argue I was wrong no matter what I showed you.

That's a strange comment from someone who knows nothing about me.  I'll happily agree with you if you show me some convincing support for your opinions.

Do your own research. I have, since Feb. 2017.  Here are some people to read if you are really interested...Dr. David Diamond, Dr. Aseem Malhotra, Dr. Barbara Roberts, Dr. Stephen Sinatra.

Interesting if you call that research.  None of those people has done any research on the effects of statins, they mainly seem to promote diet as the cure and and the current fad of sugar as the main problem.  Certainly diet is important and too much sugar is a problem, but if you actually did any research about studies on diet you would find that they are even more contradictory than the research on statins.
 Diamond is a professor of psychology so is out of his element, the others at least are cardiologists.  You think research paid for by companies that produce statins are a problem, but apparently it doesn't bother you that all of the people you cite above are publicity hounds pushing their own agendas.  Roberts is trying to sell a book where she has to make dramatic statements to make sales, Sinatra seems like more of a huckster than a cardiologist.  It doesn't make you wonder when someone is promoting a book or their own health products?  Diamond is a psychiatrist and I'm not sure about Malhotra.  Those people all are pushing the Mediterranean diet and lower sugar.  Recent studies have shown that people living in the Mediterranean get more exercise and have strong community connections and that those might be more important than diet for heart disease.  If the sum total of your research is looking things up on the internet then you have a long way to go.  I think you are experiencing confirmation bias by finding people who are peddling what you want to buy.

Whatever is wrong with Trump is speculation on both our parts. My guess is just as legit as yours.

Certainly neither of us knows what is wrong with Trump for sure, but he definitely exhibits all of the early signs of dementia as they are listed according to the Mayo Clinic, so my opinion is more than speculation.  If you look at videos of Trump from just a few years ago (which I am not recommending) and compare them to today you can see a marked deterioration - this has been noted by many others besides me.  People who worked on his campaign have also allegedly said he has early dementia.  If I am correct it will become painfully obvious in the future, but I think it is pretty obvious already.  I don't think he is bad enough yet, but at some point Congress should invoke the 25th amendment and demand an independent mental and neurological exam instead of the sham exams by joke doctors we have had previously.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 19, 2018, 07:14
 :D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: stockmarketer on July 19, 2018, 07:31
I was in my gym this morning in California with about 15 other middle aged Anericans. I was the only person reading the subtitles on the tv screens showing the Trump / Putin summit.  I just don't  think Anetican people care about the news. Im the only Brit there so I guess its a cultural thing.

Yes, America is paying attention.  In case you didn't know, more of us actually voted for Clinton over Trump.  (Our electoral system let us down yet again.)  Trump's approval ratings are in the toilet, because even some of those who voted for him now realize they were misled. 

Since you brought it up... a majority of the UK voted for Brexit, which seems just as foolish as a Trump vote.  Do most Brits not care about the news, as you're suggesting about the "Aneticans"?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 19, 2018, 08:40
I was in my gym this morning in California with about 15 other middle aged Anericans. I was the only person reading the subtitles on the tv screens showing the Trump / Putin summit.  I just don't  think Anetican people care about the news. Im the only Brit there so I guess its a cultural thing.

Yes, America is paying attention.  In case you didn't know, more of us actually voted for Clinton over Trump.  (Our electoral system let us down yet again.)  Trump's approval ratings are in the toilet, because even some of those who voted for him now realize they were misled. 

Since you brought it up... a majority of the UK voted for Brexit, which seems just as foolish as a Trump vote.  Do most Brits not care about the news, as you're suggesting about the "Aneticans"?


I agree, Americans are paying attention. Look out Trump. #traitor
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: fritz on July 19, 2018, 09:41
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Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: RAW on July 19, 2018, 12:28
We're going to need a nice warm communal shower after all this is over.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: derek on July 19, 2018, 16:53
I was in my gym this morning in California with about 15 other middle aged Anericans. I was the only person reading the subtitles on the tv screens showing the Trump / Putin summit.  I just don't  think Anetican people care about the news. Im the only Brit there so I guess its a cultural thing.

Yes, America is paying attention.  In case you didn't know, more of us actually voted for Clinton over Trump.  (Our electoral system let us down yet again.)  Trump's approval ratings are in the toilet, because even some of those who voted for him now realize they were misled. 

Since you brought it up... a majority of the UK voted for Brexit, which seems just as foolish as a Trump vote.  Do most Brits not care about the news, as you're suggesting about the "Anetican

wrong thread!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: derek on July 19, 2018, 17:02
Yes there are some true experts here!  and we have Physicians, political journalists, Diplomats and CIA, FBI agents. Then of course we also have simple pimps, ponses and panders of pictures, tinkers and bettlers but hey!  thats a different story!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Jeffrey on July 19, 2018, 18:54
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 19, 2018, 20:07
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D

Are the crybaby losers the Trump supporters or the Trump opponents?

Or both?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 19, 2018, 20:27
We're going to need a nice warm communal shower after all this is over.

Golden?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 19, 2018, 22:04
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D

Like this one?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: derek on July 20, 2018, 01:07
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D

The snowflakes came early this year. Fancy that they lost to somebody like Trump!  dont say much for them does it?  sour grapes!  tsk, tsk, tsk! ;D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: obj owl on July 20, 2018, 07:13
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D

You can do better than that, put forward your most convincing argument as to why Trumps foreign policy towards East West relations is one we should all get behind.  All I can see at the moment is that he is Putin's puppet or the head of his fan club.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Pauws99 on July 20, 2018, 07:16
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D

You can do better than that, put forward your most convincing argument as to why Trumps foreign policy towards East West relations is one we should all get behind.  All I can see at the moment is that he is Putin's puppet or the head of his fan club.
He hasn't got a policy such things are so out of date in the modern political scene
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: RAW on July 20, 2018, 07:24
Snowflakes are beautiful.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: ShadySue on July 20, 2018, 07:41
Trump is really hot-cold on Putin  :o
Trump says he wouldn’t not like Putin to not visit US:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44895384 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44895384)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sharpshot on July 20, 2018, 08:16
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.
I don't think that's true either.  My stepfather didn't have many problems until he started taking statins.  They were really bad for him.  He went from playing golf regularly, to struggling to walk short distances.  The doctor insisted it wasn't statins doing it but in the end, he stopped taking them and was much better after about a month.  He never did go back to golf and his mind went a few years later but that might be coincidence.  I've heard that lots of men have had similar problems with statins.  A change of diet is much better for you than experimenting with a drug that can do harm.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 20, 2018, 11:59
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.
I don't think that's true either.  My stepfather didn't have many problems until he started taking statins.  They were really bad for him.  He went from playing golf regularly, to struggling to walk short distances.  The doctor insisted it wasn't statins doing it but in the end, he stopped taking them and was much better after about a month.  He never did go back to golf and his mind went a few years later but that might be coincidence.  I've heard that lots of men have had similar problems with statins.  A change of diet is much better for you than experimenting with a drug that can do harm.

My mother also had a terrible time on statins. Terrible headaches and feeling "cloudy headed" all the time, bone and joint pain, really unbearable.

Sgoodwin4813 acknowledges the chance of awful side effects, some even similar to alzheimer's. We were talking specifically about actual Alzheimer's though.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: ShadySue on July 20, 2018, 12:53
It's not just what's in Putin's pocket which is of interest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898)
"Trump 'secretly recorded discussing payment to Playboy model'"

I think I should buy the film rights to make the Trump biopic.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Asthebelltolls on July 20, 2018, 13:29
I think I should buy the film rights to make the Trump biopic.

Alec Baldwin as Trump? ;D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Pauws99 on July 20, 2018, 14:02
It's not just what's in Putin's pocket which is of interest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898)
"Trump 'secretly recorded discussing payment to Playboy model'"

I think I should buy the film rights to make the Trump biopic.
I think the KGB have plenty of material for that already ;-)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 20, 2018, 15:47
It's not just what's in Putin's pocket which is of interest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44906898)
"Trump 'secretly recorded discussing payment to Playboy model'"

I think I should buy the film rights to make the Trump biopic.
I think the KGB have plenty of material for that already ;-)

It's FSB today, but most likely not very different.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 20, 2018, 21:48
According to his doctor, he is taking statins. That crap messes you up. The brain uses 25% of the cholesterol your liver produces. Statins stop your liver from making cholesterol. Guess what happens to your brain...alzheimers. Guess what happens to your muscles and nerves. Pretty soon you can’t walk.

This is not true.  There is a small but significant chance of very serious side effects - e.g., neuropathy of various kinds and liver damage - but the incidence is very low and those mainly appear in people who are not like Trump (female, small body size, drinking too much).  Statins actually may protect against Alzheimer's, although the data are not clear on that.  Trump's problems are very unlikely to be due to taking statins - to me it looks much more like the early symptoms of dementia.  Here is a list of early symptoms (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs (https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs)) - Trump exhibits all of them at various times, most people his age show none of them.  Trump's father had Alzheimer's and his poor diet and lack of exercise increases his risk.  Reagan clearly had symptoms of Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term and possibly earlier, Trump is showing the same already.
I don't think that's true either.  My stepfather didn't have many problems until he started taking statins.  They were really bad for him.  He went from playing golf regularly, to struggling to walk short distances.  The doctor insisted it wasn't statins doing it but in the end, he stopped taking them and was much better after about a month.  He never did go back to golf and his mind went a few years later but that might be coincidence.  I've heard that lots of men have had similar problems with statins.  A change of diet is much better for you than experimenting with a drug that can do harm.

My mother also had a terrible time on statins. Terrible headaches and feeling "cloudy headed" all the time, bone and joint pain, really unbearable.

Sgoodwin4813 acknowledges the chance of awful side effects, some even similar to alzheimer's. We were talking specifically about actual Alzheimer's though.

Thank you for pointing out that I mentioned the side effects.  Statins are great for lowering cholesterol, however they do have a small but real risk of very serious problems.  There also seems to be an unknown genetic component - most people can take statins without problems, but others have bad reactions, presumably due to their different genetic backgrounds.  Anyone taking statins should be aware of the potential side effects, get checked every few months and stop taking them if they have problems.

I have taken statins for more than 15 years, so far with no problems.  I did not take them for more than two years after they were first prescribed due to fears about potential side effects, and only started after I read enough scientific studies to convince myself that the potential for side effects was an acceptable risk.  My father also took them for many years without problems, so I figured my risk for negative genetic interactions was probably low.  They quickly lowered my cholesterol level (which was not too high but enough to get a doctor's attention) into the range doctors like to see, which I was not able to do with diet and exercise alone.  Have they improved my quality of life and increased my lifespan relative to what they would be without statins?  I have no idea, and there is no way to know for certain.  I get my liver enzymes checked every six months and get nervous every time I have muscle pain, but so far no problems, and any pains have resolved themselves in time, just like they did before I started taking the statins.

When I mentioned to a colleague that I was taking statins, he was jealous and said he wished he could take them for the cognitive benefits.  That was the first I had heard about that, but when I looked into it there have been some studies showing improvements in memory and such, presumably due to better blood flow to the brain allowing plaques to be removed more efficiently.  I'll take it if that's true, but I don't think anyone recommends taking statins for the potential cognitive improvements.  The problem is that it is impossible to make firm conclusions from a small number of experiences, and difficult to obtain the large amounts of money needed for proper clinical trials.  If anyone is really interested in statins the Mayo Clinic, e.g., here (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/statins/art-20045772 (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/statins/art-20045772)), is a good place for look for a sober, objective assessment from a site that is not trying to sell you anything.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 20, 2018, 22:59
The Mayo Clinic is the least objective place to go. They are in deep with big pHARMa, just like the Cleveland Clinic and WebMD.  ;)  I am not going to argue with all you “experts” here on this forum. I don’t care if you agree with me or not. I just want to implore everyone to please do a lot of your own research before you take a statin, or any other drug, for that matter. Drs. get kickbacks for prescribing drugs, so they don’t really want you to get better. Polypharmacy...and a statin is a “gateway” drug....take it, and your dr. will have to prescribe 2 or more drugs to treat the adverse effects you get. Next thing you know, you have a baggie full of meds to take.  Don’t take my word for it. There are plenty of testimonials out there from good people whose lives are now ruined because of statins. There’s a reason your body makes cholesterol. It needs it. Look at a facebook group called neurotoxicity and see all the damaged people, from statins and all kinds of other drugs that are being prescribed and handed out like candy. Too many sad stories.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 21, 2018, 06:45
Cathyslife, why don't you take your conspiracy theory nonsense elsewhere and leave the discussion to the adults?  Believing "testimonials" from uneducated idiots, publicity hounds and hucksters on internet chat rooms will lead you down the wrong path every time.  If you don't believe the Mayo Clinic then you probably don't believe in vaccines either.  Sorry to be so blunt, but I get really annoyed by people parroting pseudoscientific nonsense based on superficial internet "research".  Try to chill out, have a glass of wine and relax and maybe you will enjoy life more.  You seem to be full of anger - that is much worse for you than taking statins.

Back to the OP: Yes, it is becoming more and more obvious that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket.  Whether this is part of some brilliant long-term plan or merely a pathetic attempt to save his own skin we don't yet know for certain but I strongly suspect the latter.  What we do know for certain is that Trump is one of the biggest liars ever, especially about his sexual infidelities.  Why he is allowed to continue when others are being fired or resigning their positions for even a hint of sexual impropriety is truly disgusting.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: RAW on July 21, 2018, 06:55
https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 21, 2018, 06:59
Cathyslife, why don't you take your conspiracy theory nonsense elsewhere and leave the discussion to the adults?  Believing "testimonials" from uneducated idiots, publicity hounds and hucksters on internet chat rooms will lead you down the wrong path every time.  If you don't believe the Mayo Clinic then you probably don't believe in vaccines either.  Sorry to be so blunt, but I get really annoyed by people parroting pseudoscientific nonsense based on superficial internet "research".  Try to chill out, have a glass of wine and relax and maybe you will enjoy life more.  You seem to be full of anger - that is much worse for you than taking statins.

Back to the OP: Yes, it is becoming more and more obvious that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket.  Whether this is part of some brilliant long-term plan or merely a pathetic attempt to save his own skin we don't yet know for certain but I strongly suspect the latter.  What we do know for certain is that Trump is one of the biggest liars ever, especially about his sexual infidelities.  Why he is allowed to continue when others are being fired or resigning their positions for even a hint of sexual impropriety is truly disgusting.


Such a condescending a-hole you are. Cracks me up, whenever you guys want to think you are going to piss someone off, you go with the “you seem to be full of anger, have a glass of wine” schtick. Where do you get YOUR research from? Are you also a photographer/scientist? Somebody made fun of me that way, wonder why they aren’t here saying that about you. LOL you guys are so entertaining! But...I am off to do something constructive today. But thanks for the laughs!


Back to the OP. At least we agree on the fact that Trump is a disgusting liar. #traitor  ;)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: niktol on July 21, 2018, 07:42
The Russians have been cultivating Trump as an asset for more than 20 years. 

They started just about the time the US intervened with the elections in Russia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention#Russian_election_(U.S.,_1996)

That makes perfect sense. I have here Boris Badenov sitting next to me, he confirms.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 21, 2018, 11:44
The Russians have been cultivating Trump as an asset for more than 20 years. 

They started just about the time the US intervened with the elections in Russia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention#Russian_election_(U.S.,_1996)

That makes perfect sense. I have here Boris Badenov sitting next to me, he confirms.

This article is far from being accurate.
A whole bunch of obvious examples are omitted.
Russia or the Soviet Union, interfered for half a century in the Eastern European elections, quite often with troops and tanks, imposing puppet communist governments and dictators. They might have taken a short break after '89, only to start again with more sophisticated and subtle weapons, but also with troops and tanks again (Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova)

In fact, such interference is a political reality since the dawn of history. It's not just specific to Russia or USA. One way or another, conquerors have always appointed their preffered puppet rulers in vasal countries.

The problem here is that Trump after having encouraged it, is now denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: niktol on July 21, 2018, 11:56

The problem here is that Trump is denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.


The problem here is that some people claim some sort of intellectual superiority over other people's unfounded claims when they are doing essentially the same thing.

I don't care about the veracity of the wiki article, yet interference in Russian elections by the US isn't a big secret, and it was even bragged about by the Time magazine, I'm old enough to know
http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html)

where were all these principles back then?

Another thing, I don't care what Trump or any other politician is saying, I'm with George Carlin (RIP) on this one.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t)
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 21, 2018, 12:00

The problem here is that Trump is denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.


The problem here is that some people claim some sort of intellectual superiority over other people's unfounded claims when they are doing essentially the same thing.

I don't care about the veracity of the wiki article, yet interference in Russian elections by the US isn't a big secret, and it was even bragged about by the Time magazine, I'm old enough to know
[url]http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html[/url] ([url]http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html[/url])

where were all these principles back then?

Another thing, I don't care what Trump or any other politician is saying, I'm with George Carlin (RIP) on this one.

[url]https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t[/url] ([url]https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t[/url])



I’m with you and George Carlin on that!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 21, 2018, 12:04
Cathyslife, why don't you take your conspiracy theory nonsense elsewhere and leave the discussion to the adults?  Believing "testimonials" from uneducated idiots, publicity hounds and hucksters on internet chat rooms will lead you down the wrong path every time.  If you don't believe the Mayo Clinic then you probably don't believe in vaccines either.  Sorry to be so blunt, but I get really annoyed by people parroting pseudoscientific nonsense based on superficial internet "research".  Try to chill out, have a glass of wine and relax and maybe you will enjoy life more.  You seem to be full of anger - that is much worse for you than taking statins.

Back to the OP: Yes, it is becoming more and more obvious that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket.  Whether this is part of some brilliant long-term plan or merely a pathetic attempt to save his own skin we don't yet know for certain but I strongly suspect the latter.  What we do know for certain is that Trump is one of the biggest liars ever, especially about his sexual infidelities.  Why he is allowed to continue when others are being fired or resigning their positions for even a hint of sexual impropriety is truly disgusting.

Actually Cathy is quite correct on the big pharmaceutical companies engaging in "dodgy" practice.

And doctors do get kick backs.  There was a case in Poland (for example) of doctors getting 100  euro payments for prescribing asthma treatments to children whether the kids needed it or not.

We also have the whole opiod crisis in the USA with drugs being pushed by the pharma companies.

And before telling some one to " chill out" perhaps you should do your own research.

As to Statins thats being heavily pushed by pharma companies as the next big sell.

Even in countries like the UK pharma glove puppets were trying to get the health service there to have everyone on Statins over the age of 50 whether they need them or not

"Psychiatric adverse effects, altering mood, personality, and behavior, sometimes arise in patients receiving statins. Statin psychiatric effects can include irritability/aggression, anxiety or depressed mood, violent ideation, sleep problems including nightmares, and possibly suicide attempt and completion."

be careful what the quack tells you to put in yourself :D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Shelma1 on July 21, 2018, 15:59
If you're on statins, please do not ingest grapefruit. I'm almost certain the combination was deadly for my father (though I didn't request an autopsy). I've warned several people taking statins about the danger of ingesting grapefruit, and all of them were under the impression that grapefruit reduces the effectiveness, which is not the case. My father loved grapefruit and continued to eat it and drink grapefruit juice. I don't know if his doctor warned him against it. I found half a grapefruit in his fridge after he died.

As far as the other arguments go:

1. Yes, of course, Trump is in Putin's pocket.

2. The USA is being royally screwed by big pharma. And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, wait until I tell you my crazy belief that the food, medical and drug industries are all in bed together, with Americans being encouraged to eat too much meat, too much sugar and too many processed foods, which winds up causing obesity, cancer, heart disease and other serious health problems, and the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry then treat those diseases with pharmaceuticals rather than being honest about the cr@ppy diet being pushed on us by food manufacturers and our own government (which is really run by lobbyists).

Drug companies not only encourage doctors to prescribe medications with kickbacks, but keep track of the number of prescriptions they write and send very attractive reps over to "encourage" more prescription-writing if they lag behind. I got to see the hideous underbelly when I was writing for one of the biggest pharma brands in the world. Once they have a drug they try to sell it to treat every possible disease they can think of before their patent expires, then it's on to selling the next drug for the same conditions even if it's less effective as long as that's under patent. They test the smallest number of people required by law and only need to show the meds are slightly more effective than a placebo. Once they lose the patent they'll buy up companies selling generics just to shut down the factories iin order to make the generics unavailable on the market so they can sell the new drugs under patent. It's all about the $$$.

All Americans should do themselves a huge favor and read "An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back ." We live in a really sick country. The rest of the world doesn't operate this way.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 21, 2018, 17:02
Thank you for posting, Sammy and Shelma. Statins and their harm being inflicted on people is a pet project of mine. I have friends and family harmed by statins as well, and I jump at the chance to try and warn others. Yes, big pHARMa, big food, healthcare...all doing a great job of trying to get rid of healthy people and get everyone on as many drugs as possible. And if you think THAT’S a conspiracy, read about I. G. Farben company and the Rockefellers. And depopulation. Ever wonder why processed and junk food is cheap, but a trip to Whole Foods will cost you almost twice as much as at the regular market? Maybe so the poor and elderly get sick and die? Hmmm, another conspiracy theory, eh?

Shelma, I know grapefruit is bad to take with warfarin, a blood thinner, but I didn’t know of the dangers with statins, but I am not surprised. A family member of mine was put on statins, beta blocker, and eliquis after a stroke. She recovered from the stroke after 1 month of rehab. Within 6 months of when she started the meds, tho, she had muscle and nerve damage. After stopping statins, a year later she can barely make 1 trip around the grocery store. Her leg muscles continue to atrophy. She was using 7 lb. weights on her legs while exercising when she left rehab, so it can’t be from the stroke. Every cell in the body uses cholesterol. Every week big pHARMa pays a writer to float a story about statins and what a wonder drug they are. I have seen articles where it cures kidney disease, prevents stroke and heart attacks, and other nonsense. It does none of that. I have read the clinical trials and the data are right there. There is a small subset of middle-aged men who already have CVD that may benefit, but after seeing the destruction they cause, I even have doubts about that. In fact, many have heart attacks after starting statins. Cholesterol is used big time by the heart and brain. The strange thing about statins is a person can take them 1 day, and have severe adverse effects immediately, but there are others that take them for 20 years and do ok, but then one day everything starts hurting. They suspect the statins, but their dr. says “statins don’t do that” or “you are getting older, you know”. The two favorite dismissals people get from their drs. Some people recover from their damage, others do not. My family member got rid of the bad brain fog after about a week after stopping, but the muscle and nerve damage continues. Who knows if it will ever resolve. I have a friend who has lesions in his brain. He has been disabled from that for close to 13 years.

Anyway, thanks for listening to me and acknowledging what I said. I take every opportunity to start a narrative about it, but I know that some don’t want to hear, will criticize, scoff, and call names. That’s ok, I know I can’t save everyone. Sometimes I get thanked by people who were looking for the info and were grateful to learn, and that’s thanks enough. They stop the statin, and start feeling better.

Shelma, interesting how you learned about it. Sorry about your dad. It’s especially frustrating when you are almost certain of the cause, but it can’t be proved. People who take a statin plus other meds would have a difficult time trying to prove the statin was the culprit, when most of those meds cause the same type of adverse effects.

Sammy, anyone can go on a site called dollars for docs, plug in their drs. name, and see how much $$ they personally took from drug companies. If you want a real eye opener, put in Dr. Steve Nissan, cardiologist, from Cleveland Clinic. The info only goes to 2016. Since 2013, he has taken a cool +- $130,000. And some asinine dr. suggested statins should be put in the water supply.

Oh, and yes, of course, Trump’s in Putin’s pocket. #traitor

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/ (https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/)

And for anyone who laughs at me, but would respect what a former NASA
astronaut/dr. says, go to spacedoc.com
For all you “experts”, he goes into some pretty technical crap.



Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Shelma1 on July 21, 2018, 17:26
One of my friends just started on a biologic for Crohn's. Terrible side effects. I feel for her. The brand I worked on was a biologic...extremely dangerous, black box warning (cigarettes have a black box warning on the side, so you have an idea of how toxic something needs to be to warrant a black box warning). Basically one step away from chemo, IMO.

I suffer from one of the conditions the brand I worked on is targeted towards. Immediately, my coworkers told me I should be on the drug, and immediately I told them no way. As a writer, I had to read the research and had to be knowledgeable about efficacy and side effects, and sorry, a side effect of death was a bit much for me. And as I said earlier, drug manufacturers only have to prove their meds are more effective than a placebo. So if a sugar pill relieves symptoms for 1% of the (miniscule) tested population and the black box meds relieve symptoms for 1.5% but also cause leukemia, incurable systemic infection and death, that's A-OK.

My job was to draw attention to the fact that it relieved symptoms for more people than a placebo and play down the side effects (hey, the advertising and pharma industries had to be forced to list the side effects...they weren't going to do it voluntarily). As the end of the patent drew near, the client got increasingly desperate to find more conditions the drug was slightly effective at treating so they could milk as much profit from it as humanly possible.

A couple of years ago I was in the doctor's office and saw a brochure for a "new" drug to treat my condition. Suspicious after working on a pharma brand, I googled it. Turns out it's thalidomide, renamed. BTW, my completely non-life-threatening condition is not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but thalidomide was being marketed to treat it anyway....with brochures left in the waiting room for unsuspecting patients to read. Disgusting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 21, 2018, 17:58

The problem here is that Trump is denying or even defending the interference, like any of those aforementioned puppet rulers would normally do, in order to justify their right to rule.


The problem here is that some people claim some sort of intellectual superiority over other people's unfounded claims when they are doing essentially the same thing.

I don't care about the veracity of the wiki article, yet interference in Russian elections by the US isn't a big secret, and it was even bragged about by the Time magazine, I'm old enough to know
[url]http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html[/url] ([url]http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html[/url])

where were all these principles back then?

Another thing, I don't care what Trump or any other politician is saying, I'm with George Carlin (RIP) on this one.

[url]https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t[/url] ([url]https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/78321-now-there-s-one-thing-you-might-have-noticed-i-don-t[/url])


I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 21, 2018, 18:12
One of my friends just started on a biologic for Crohn's. Terrible side effects. I feel for her. The brand I worked on was a biologic...extremely dangerous, black box warning (cigarettes have a black box warning on the side, so you have an idea of how toxic something needs to be to warrant a black box warning). Basically one step away from chemo, IMO.

I suffer from one of the conditions the brand I worked on is targeted towards. Immediately, my coworkers told me I should be on the drug, and immediately I told them no way. As a writer, I had to read the research and had to be knowledgeable about efficacy and side effects, and sorry, a side effect of death was a bit much for me. And as I said earlier, drug manufacturers only have to prove their meds are more effective than a placebo. So if a sugar pill relieves symptoms for 1% of the (miniscule) tested population and the black box meds relieve symptoms for 1.5% but also cause leukemia, incurable systemic infection and death, that's A-OK.

My job was to draw attention to the fact that it relieved symptoms for more people than a placebo and play down the side effects (hey, the advertising and pharma industries had to be forced to list the side effects...they weren't going to do it voluntarily). As the end of the patent drew near, the client got increasingly desperate to find more conditions the drug was slightly effective at treating so they could milk as much profit from it as humanly possible.

A couple of years ago I was in the doctor's office and saw a brochure for a "new" drug to treat my condition. Suspicious after working on a pharma brand, I googled it. Turns out it's thalidomide, renamed. BTW, my completely non-life-threatening condition is not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but thalidomide was being marketed to treat it anyway....with brochures left in the waiting room for unsuspecting patients to read. Disgusting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide)

Thalidomide...omg they are trying to resurrect that poison, as if the damage the first time around wasn’t bad enough. My eyes have sure been opened since delving into all of this for my family member.

If I remember correctly, in the statin trials, more people died that were taking a statin than those who took a placebo. But you will never find that little tidbit touted anywhere. 

It’s sad, but every drug has to be researched thoroughly nowadays before you take it. The human body does a good job of taking care of itself, if you feed and exercise it properly. There are exceptions, as in your case. But for a good portion of the population, cholesterol, diabetes, and bp meds are not needed...in a lot of cases, diet can correct those things. But people are lazy...they want to eat and drink what they want, when they want. Taking a pill is so much easier. The drug and healthcare industry is banking on it!
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: cathyslife on July 21, 2018, 18:16

I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.


Exactly. Treason cannot stand. He needs to go.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 21, 2018, 18:39

I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.


Exactly. Treason cannot stand. He needs to go.

I forgot to say that I am not even accusing Niktol for defending Russia.  ;)

Anyway, this week's issue of The Economist has a funny summary. See attached.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Shelma1 on July 21, 2018, 19:39
One of my friends just started on a biologic for Crohn's. Terrible side effects. I feel for her. The brand I worked on was a biologic...extremely dangerous, black box warning (cigarettes have a black box warning on the side, so you have an idea of how toxic something needs to be to warrant a black box warning). Basically one step away from chemo, IMO.

I suffer from one of the conditions the brand I worked on is targeted towards. Immediately, my coworkers told me I should be on the drug, and immediately I told them no way. As a writer, I had to read the research and had to be knowledgeable about efficacy and side effects, and sorry, a side effect of death was a bit much for me. And as I said earlier, drug manufacturers only have to prove their meds are more effective than a placebo. So if a sugar pill relieves symptoms for 1% of the (miniscule) tested population and the black box meds relieve symptoms for 1.5% but also cause leukemia, incurable systemic infection and death, that's A-OK.

My job was to draw attention to the fact that it relieved symptoms for more people than a placebo and play down the side effects (hey, the advertising and pharma industries had to be forced to list the side effects...they weren't going to do it voluntarily). As the end of the patent drew near, the client got increasingly desperate to find more conditions the drug was slightly effective at treating so they could milk as much profit from it as humanly possible.

A couple of years ago I was in the doctor's office and saw a brochure for a "new" drug to treat my condition. Suspicious after working on a pharma brand, I googled it. Turns out it's thalidomide, renamed. BTW, my completely non-life-threatening condition is not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but thalidomide was being marketed to treat it anyway....with brochures left in the waiting room for unsuspecting patients to read. Disgusting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide)

Thalidomide...omg they are trying to resurrect that poison, as if the damage the first time around wasn’t bad enough. My eyes have sure been opened since delving into all of this for my family member.

If I remember correctly, in the statin trials, more people died that were taking a statin than those who took a placebo. But you will never find that little tidbit touted anywhere. 

It’s sad, but every drug has to be researched thoroughly nowadays before you take it. The human body does a good job of taking care of itself, if you feed and exercise it properly. There are exceptions, as in your case. But for a good portion of the population, cholesterol, diabetes, and bp meds are not needed...in a lot of cases, diet can correct those things. But people are lazy...they want to eat and drink what they want, when they want. Taking a pill is so much easier. The drug and healthcare industry is banking on it!

Yep. My condition is in about 90% remission from diet and a little sun exposure. I'm not saying that will work for everyone, but I'm very leery of a lot of drugs that offer only slight relief from an ailment while exposing you to possibly fatal side effects. In my dad's case I really wish he'd lost weight and changed his diet. He would have been healthier overall and his cholesterol probably would have been controllable without statins. A lot of things that "run in the family," like heart disease, high cholesterol and diabetes, are actually a result of a family's similar diet rather than heredity. But Americans have been sold on taking a pill for pretty much everything, so...
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 22, 2018, 04:32

2. The USA is being royally screwed by big pharma. And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, wait until I tell you my crazy belief that the food, medical and drug industries are all in bed together, with Americans being encouraged to eat too much meat, too much sugar and too many processed foods, which winds up causing obesity, cancer, heart disease and other serious health problems, and the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry then treat those diseases with pharmaceuticals rather than being honest about the cr@ppy diet being pushed on us by food manufacturers and our own government (which is really run by lobbyists).

Drug companies not only encourage doctors to prescribe medications with kickbacks, but keep track of the number of prescriptions they write and send very attractive reps over to "encourage" more prescription-writing if they lag behind. I got to see the hideous underbelly when I was writing for one of the biggest pharma brands in the world. Once they have a drug they try to sell it to treat every possible disease they can think of before their patent expires, then it's on to selling the next drug for the same conditions even if it's less effective as long as that's under patent. They test the smallest number of people required by law and only need to show the meds are slightly more effective than a placebo. Once they lose the patent they'll buy up companies selling generics just to shut down the factories iin order to make the generics unavailable on the market so they can sell the new drugs under patent. It's all about the $$$.

All Americans should do themselves a huge favor and read "An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back ." We live in a really sick country. The rest of the world doesn't operate this way.

This explains a lot: for example, why you believe in earnings caps.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Shelma1 on July 22, 2018, 06:42

2. The USA is being royally screwed by big pharma. And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, wait until I tell you my crazy belief that the food, medical and drug industries are all in bed together, with Americans being encouraged to eat too much meat, too much sugar and too many processed foods, which winds up causing obesity, cancer, heart disease and other serious health problems, and the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry then treat those diseases with pharmaceuticals rather than being honest about the cr@ppy diet being pushed on us by food manufacturers and our own government (which is really run by lobbyists).

Drug companies not only encourage doctors to prescribe medications with kickbacks, but keep track of the number of prescriptions they write and send very attractive reps over to "encourage" more prescription-writing if they lag behind. I got to see the hideous underbelly when I was writing for one of the biggest pharma brands in the world. Once they have a drug they try to sell it to treat every possible disease they can think of before their patent expires, then it's on to selling the next drug for the same conditions even if it's less effective as long as that's under patent. They test the smallest number of people required by law and only need to show the meds are slightly more effective than a placebo. Once they lose the patent they'll buy up companies selling generics just to shut down the factories iin order to make the generics unavailable on the market so they can sell the new drugs under patent. It's all about the $$$.

All Americans should do themselves a huge favor and read "An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back ." We live in a really sick country. The rest of the world doesn't operate this way.

This explains a lot: for example, why you believe in earnings caps.

Work for the pharmaceutical industry for a few years and get back to me. Anonymous troll.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 22, 2018, 07:11

I'm not claiming any moral superiority. US has interfered with foreign elections as much as Russia.
I already mentioned that such practices are as old as history.
I am not even accusing Russia for doing it. It is in their interest to try to get what's best for them.

This is an internal US problem, where its leader is defending his own selfish interests as well as Russia's, instead of what's best for USA.


Exactly. Treason cannot stand. He needs to go.

I forgot to say that I am not even accusing Niktol for defending Russia.  ;)

Anyway, this week's issue of The Economist has a funny summary. See attached.
100% agree. The US can arguably be blamed for fundamentally restructuring Russian society into the oligarchy it is today and all that means for the average Russian man or woman on the street (see 1996 election). I understand a degree of schadenfreude from Russians, or even disbelief at the outrage expressed by some Americans that someone could dare to meddle.

All interesting as context but irrelevant to Americans who want to defend their democracy. It wasn't right when the US did it and it isn't right now.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: niktol on July 22, 2018, 07:55

All interesting as context but irrelevant to Americans who want to defend their democracy. It wasn't right when the US did it and it isn't right now.

My point is that I only see the overwhelming outrage "when it's done to us". I do not see any particular outrage when it's done to someone else. Heck, Iraq looks like it's been an exciting foreign adventure from here. Anyone indicted? I don't think so. Which is pretty tribal. And the combination of tribal attitudes and a nuclear arsenal does not leave much hope for the future.

Zero Talent, I did not mean you when I spoke about intellectual superiority. Read the heated argument before that. I spoke about consistency in claims. If it is alright to draw conclusions from internet research for one person, it is also alright for another. Or else focus on scholarly research and accept nothing less.

I do not "defend Russia" by the way, it was the Russians who mucked up their society and noone else. There was no military invasion. They did blame the foreign powers for it, conspiracy, treason and all that nonsense. That narrative works pretty well now too.  Recognize anyone else doing it?
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 09:42

All interesting as context but irrelevant to Americans who want to defend their democracy. It wasn't right when the US did it and it isn't right now.

My point is that I only see the overwhelming outrage "when it's done to us".

Again, the outrage we see in this case is not necessarily because it "was done to us", but because what "was done to us" is exactly what Trump publicly asked for. Trump called for a foreign "invasion" to help him seize power.

This thread is not about outrage agaist Russia's actions (Russia did what Russia does, no surprise here), but outrage against Trump, who embraced and defended a foreign "invader".
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: niktol on July 22, 2018, 09:55

Again, the outrage we see in this case is not necessarily because it "was done to us", but because what "was done to us" is exactly what Trump publicly asked for. Trump called for a foreign "invasion" to help him seize power.

This thread is not about outrage agaist Russia's actions (Russia did what Russia does, no surprise here), but outrage against Trump, who embraced and defended them.

I seriously doubt the impact of foreign influence is all that large and decisive as it is suggested. I think it's minuscule, consider the available resources and investments. I truly think the brouhaha is a distraction powered by competition. So, let's say Trump is removed. The next person is not going to be a usual sociopathic and dishonest sellout? I guess we just have to agree to disagree. But hey, it's your country, do what you think is right.




 
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 10:48

Again, the outrage we see in this case is not necessarily because it "was done to us", but because what "was done to us" is exactly what Trump publicly asked for. Trump called for a foreign "invasion" to help him seize power.

This thread is not about outrage agaist Russia's actions (Russia did what Russia does, no surprise here), but outrage against Trump, who embraced and defended them.

I seriously doubt the impact of foreign influence is all that large and decisive as it is suggested. I think it's minuscule, consider the available resources and investments. I truly think the brouhaha is a distraction powered by competition. So, let's say Trump is removed. The next person is not going to be a usual sociopathic and dishonest sellout? I guess we just have to agree to disagree. But hey, it's your country, do what you think is right.

Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: kalevitamm on July 22, 2018, 10:52
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Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: niktol on July 22, 2018, 11:03


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 12:05


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.
Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 23, 2018, 00:25


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.
Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 23, 2018, 07:09


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.
Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Go back and do your homework, mister!

Equating ALL politicians with Trump is not only empirically false, it is also logically false!

I only need 1 (one) who is NOT a perfect clone of Trump, to prove my statement right.

You got confused, trying to be smart.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 23, 2018, 07:45


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.
Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Go back and do your homework, mister!

Equating ALL politicians with Trump is not only empirically false, it is also logically false!

I only need 1 (one) who is NOT a perfect clone of Trump, to prove my statement right.

You got confused, trying to be smart.

A three-sided square is logically impossible. What you are describing is in the realm of empiricism.

https://philosophy.hku.hk/think/meaning/possibility.php

Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 23, 2018, 07:46
Namussi & Zero Talent should go get a room

 ;D
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: namussi on July 23, 2018, 07:51
Namussi & Zero Talent should go get a room

 ;D

I was thinking of a cage for fighting in.
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: Zero Talent on July 23, 2018, 09:11


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.
Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Go back and do your homework, mister!

Equating ALL politicians with Trump is not only empirically false, it is also logically false!

I only need 1 (one) who is NOT a perfect clone of Trump, to prove my statement right.

You got confused, trying to be smart.

A three-sided square is logically impossible. What you are describing is in the realm of empiricism.

https://philosophy.hku.hk/think/meaning/possibility.php
::)
Maybe only in some distant nightmarish future, when all known humans will be just perfect Trump clones, that statement can become empirically true.
Until then, the statement is logically false.

Niktol statement was made using present tense. The burden of proof is with Niktol: he has to test ALL politicians alive today to prove that his statement is true. Even if he manages to do that,  :o his demonstration will only be empirically true.

On the other hand, I said that: "ALL politicians are like Trump" is logically false.
I only need 1 (one) politician not like Trump to prove that my statement is logically correct.

I'll let you the freedom to choose him (or rather her), to prove that you were logically wrong, mister.  :P
Title: Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
Post by: RAW on July 23, 2018, 09:38
This is not about semantics it's about Fascism.