Quote from: LDV81 on June 10, 2023, 13:08

There are also hypotheses that some of the crashes are intentional, to give humans technology and influence the Earth's development, without that influence being widely known.

They would never do that - it goes against the Prime Directive.

of course the PD isn't mandatory, so it's wise to consider the Dark Forest theory

excellent Hugo award winning sci-fi trilogy https://www.amazon.com/Three-Body-Problem-Boxed-Set-Remembrance/  explores that situation after earth is discovered by a malevolent society.  an adaptation by netflix is due out later this year

And yet, the building blocks of matter before observation / measurement / interaction have no "substance" and no properties.

That is at best very misleading and at worst completely wrong.

We feel the consequences of the properties of the "buildings blocks" of matter, aka Protons, Neutrons and Electrons all the time.

For example they all subject to gravitation, so this is a property we feel all the time, unless we are astronauts currently in space.

Also all chemical properties of all the chemical compounds that make up our world are a consequence of of the properties of the single atoms and mostly there electron orbitals:

"In atomic theory and quantum mechanics, an atomic orbital (/ɒrbədl/) is a function describing the location and wave-like behavior of an electron in an atom.[1] This function can be used to calculate the probability of finding any electron of an atom in any specific region around the atom's nucleus. The term atomic orbital may also refer to the physical region or space where the electron can be calculated to be present, as predicted by the particular mathematical form of the orbital.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital

So you can only make statistical statement about the electrons whereabout, as far as that question makes sense at all in quantum mechanics. This does not mean that they have no properties, though. Depending on the number of electrons in their hull, elements can be very aggressive or totally inert. Examples for aggreesive elements are chlorine or fluorine. They have an incomplete orbital that needs an extra electron in order to be more stable. So they take it from another elements hat has a surplus of eletrons like sodium.

There is also a physicist who has somewhat similar views as B. Kastrup, and the name of his theory is actually similar to your username But TOE stands there for "theory of everything".

https://www.my-big-toe.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iofqgV0XIlQ

Now that is indeed a funny coincidence.

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on June 10, 2023, 21:58

Quote from: LDV81 on June 10, 2023, 13:08

There are also hypotheses that some of the crashes are intentional, to give humans technology and influence the Earth's development, without that influence being widely known.

They would never do that - it goes against the Prime Directive.

of course the PD isn't mandatory, so it's wise to consider the Dark Forest theory

excellent Hugo award winning sci-fi trilogy https://www.amazon.com/Three-Body-Problem-Boxed-Set-Remembrance/  explores that situation after earth is discovered by a malevolent society.  an adaptation by netflix is due out later this year

I hadn't heard about those books - will have to check them out, thanks for the suggestion!

If any did watch it ... the majority of it has already been shown.

There were several points that were hilarious.

David Grushs eyes. There is no f'ing around with this guy. forget what he said forget what he claims for a second. His eyes aren't full of doubt. They are full of "im putting you on notice and unless you do the right thing, I'm gonna bring it all down around your ears. He is a total boy scout. And he hung Kirkpatrick out to dry and then some. Which means that AARO is at present worthless and Sean Kirkpatrick is toast. He said I hope Sean does the right thing. And I don't think he meant give Congress the stuff he has refused to thus far.

He also hung a private contractor out to dry. Either Lockhead or another. I'm gonna go with Bigelow because he is always so vocal. He's been totally silent. Not a whiff.

Finally this was sold as an hour of David Grush and an hour of analysis with experts in their field. What we got was Mick West, Ross Coulthard and Michael Shellenberger.

Mick West - paraphrasing "I think he believes what he's been told but I think he is clearly mistaken even his lawyer has refused to represent him any longer because he states that his oart in this has been missrepresented"

Ross Coulthard - I'm afraid with respect Mick you have made an error there. His lawyer is still representing him as you'll discover in a few days and I am not permitted at this time to explain why that is but you're misunderstanding what is actually happening.

Because Mick West isn't an expert in anything at all. Except video game coding which is how he made his money. However he does get wheeled out as an expert in military operations, video analysis to name a few things lol. Until the comments start rolling in which are often brutal.

So instead of an hour of analysis whe got 7 minutes of mainly mick getting his expertise handed to him.

The interview was 7 hours long over two sessions. It will apparently see the light of day.

People that have and still work in crash retrievals and more are apprently waiting in the wings and are deciding what to do after they see what happens to Grush in the coming days and how he is treated.

Mick West will be on twitter ... his investigative platform where he gives detailed explanations of what isn't going on.

Full official Whistblower interview and apparently full discussion after

https://youtu.be/O_ceEJUnETo

Quote from: cascoly on June 10, 2023, 11:20

If alien technology allows travel over light years of space and exhibits 'impossible' moves in our atmosphere, why are there so many crashes?

If the interdimensional hypothesis is true, or the visitors come from another universe in the multiverse, some physical constants may be different here than in their universe / reality. If that's the case, even very advanced craft will have a bumpy ride.

A Porsche, or a Ferrari are pretty advanced too and they were designed for roads, and yet they do crash on roads, right?

There are also hypotheses that some of the crashes are intentional, to give humans technology and influence the Earth's development, without that influence being widely known. The intentions may be benevolent or malevolent, and there may be various factions involved. If they have mastered time travel, stuff might get bats#it crazy... You could even imagine some humans from a distant future trying to manipulate the timeline or create a new one.

Other conceivable possibilities are basically what humans also do:

1. Human scientists watch animals use tools. Sometimes the scientists will suggest tools to the animals. Recently, I saw a video of a bird throwing pebbles into a bottle of water, to cause the water level to rise so that the bird could drink it. A smart bird.

A popular experiment is the so-called mirror test. It tests which species are able to recognize their reflection in the mirror.

Maybe the crashes are also some kind of experiment, testing what humans will do with such very advanced tools: perhaps whether the use will be positive or destructive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_use_by_non-human_animals

2. Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are space probes launched by NASA in 1977. They contain images and sounds of the Earth and scientific data on golden discs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record

Perhaps some of the crashes are simply probes or drones.

I have been following the discussion over on reddit. Now getting really curious about the coming news.

I am sure alien life and more moderrn techmology exists somewhere. But what would they be doing here?

Maybe it's us coming back from the future to save us and our planet - to tell us to stop burning carbon, to learn how to live and let live, and to stop following leaders who incite anger, war, and division? 

OK, it�s time to stop all this speculation and look objectively at the facts we already know.  Once you do, it�s very clear that the aliens are here, have been living with us for decades at least and are planning for their coming takeover.

We can summarize the proof in two words (or one name): Elon Musk.  How is it that one person can come up with so many technologically important companies � Tesla, Boring, Neuralink?  Is that possible for a human being?  You know it isn�t.  With Tesla he can monitor where we are going and what we are doing, with Boring he can develop rapid underground transport so the aliens can get where they want undetected, and the purpose of Neuralink is to develop implants that can control human thought.  Why would he do this?  Hello???  Obviously to control human minds after the alien takeover!  Musk is supposedly from South Africa, but has anyone seen his birth certificate?  Has he provided a DNA sample to prove that he is human?  I don�t think so - and you know the reason why!  Musk is always saying that people need to have more kids, but by �people� he doesn�t mean you or me, instead that is a message to his species to produce more aliens for the coming takeover.

Have you ever wondered why Mark Zuckerberg looks (and acts) so much like a robot?  Because that�s the way everybody looks on his planet!  The character Data in Star Trek was obviously modeled after another member of Zuckerberg�s species.  And what is up with Meta and the Metaverse?  Most likely trying to recreate his original planet here on Earth.

What about Jeff Bezos?  How could a normal human have quickly made a small company selling used books into a behemoth that moves 80% of all commerce on the planet?  Alien technology or knowhow.  Ever notice how his right eye always seems a little off compared to the left?  That�s clearly because his alien body is having a hard time fitting inside its human shell.

What about Warren Buffett?  It seems he got where he is through smarts and hard work � probably one of us.

The aliens also seem to have completely taken over one of the major political parties in the U.S.  Does Donald Trump�s orange skin make you think something is a little off?  Well that�s the normal color for beings from his planet!

What about Ron DeSantis� complete lack of emotions and inability to understand and respond to typical human cultural norms?  Those are not needed on his planet and apparently he skipped out on those lessons during the training sessions before his arrival.

Ever wonder why Mike Pence is constantly looking towards the heavens?  He is waiting for a rescue ship to come and take him and Mother back to their home world!  (I�m kind of looking forward to that, too)

Have you ever wondered why Mitch McConnell looks like some sort of mutant love child between a frog and a salamander?  Is he an alien too?  In his case I think not, unfortunately � he is just a poster child for what happens from too much inbreeding.

And then there�s good old Joe Biden � with an emphasis on old.  How can he be so old and still run one of the most powerful countries in the world?  It isn�t from taking his Geritol!  There are paintings showing Biden out having beers with George Washington and Thomas Jefferson at the * Tavern in Virginia in the 1770s (* - the System won't let me put in the actual name).  How can he be almost 300 years old but not look a day over 80?  Maybe if he was a vampire, but we know those aren�t real, so the only remaining logical explanation is that he must be an alien!

And what is up with climate change?  Most of the aliens came from hotter planets so they took over fossil fuel companies early and allowed us to develop technologies to burn fuel as fast as possible to quickly destroy our planet and make it more habitable for them!  And they used us to do it so it doesn�t even look like alien influence was behind it!

We can also look at what our future alien overlords do with their money.  Now if you were the richest person in the world, what would you do?  Obviously you would buy a small Caribbean (or maybe Mediterranean or South Pacific) island or possibly an entire country, bring in an excellent medical staff and the most beautiful women from around the world (assuming you are male) and spend the rest of your days frolicking on the sand.  Please don�t deny it, we all know it�s true!  However, what have Bezos and Musk done?  Started companies that build spaceships!  SpaceX, Blue Origin � are you kidding me?  That is certainly not normal human behavior and clearly was done so they can have transport back to their home worlds (or possibly to bring back their relatives - durn anchor babies).  It also gives them cover in case they can repair one of the alien spacecraft held around the world � they can hail it as a new, homegrown invention!

As if all the above were not completely convincing, I can provide a further piece of evidence: domestic cats.  Why do we spend our lives in servitude to creatures that provide nothing in return?  How is it that cats were able to so quickly take over the internet?  What made the ancient Egyptians worship them as gods?  We are expected to feed them, give them excellent medical care, constantly refresh their water dishes, clean up after all their messes from barfing all over the place, let them out, and in, and out, and in, and out, and maybe in again, and scoop their poop several times a day, and what do they do for us?  Maybe bring us a dead animal, or only half of one, if we�re lucky.  And if we�re not fast enough bringing them their dinner?  They will show their displeasure by peeing on your shirt!  Ever have one stare at you?  They never blink � clearly part of their alien mind-control techniques.  Cats seem to have been brought here to train us to be more effective slaves for our alien leaders once they have fully taken over the planet, and we have fallen for it hook, line and sinker!

People, it�s time to wake up and smell the coffee - all of the above provides, clear, unambiguous, irrefutable proof that the aliens are here among us and are planning for our imminent demise!  Resistance is futile - we will either be wiped out or reduced to servitude.  So now you know the truth and we can stop all of these discussions!  OK, I have to stop writing and go feed the cats or there will be pee to pay.


(Disclaimer: It is possible that I made up parts or maybe all of the above.  Except for Mitch McConnell and the cats).

A year prior to the public release by David Grush he approached Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. This is what happened prior to Ross Coulthart and 'The Debrief' ... published as I type

https://youtu.be/dc6V0O_OPJ0

OK, it�s time to stop all this speculation and look objectively at the facts we already know.  Once you do, it�s very clear that the aliens are here, have been living with us for decades at least and are planning for their coming takeover.

We can summarize the proof in two words (or one name): Elon Musk.  How is it that one person can come up with so many technologically important companies � Tesla, Boring, Neuralink?  Is that possible for a human being?  You know it isn�t.  With Tesla he can monitor where we are going and what we are doing, with Boring he can develop rapid underground transport so the aliens can get where they want undetected, and the purpose of Neuralink is to develop implants that can control human thought.  Why would he do this?  Hello???  Obviously to control human minds after the alien takeover!  Musk is supposedly from South Africa, but has anyone seen his birth certificate?  Has he provided a DNA sample to prove that he is human?  I don�t think so - and you know the reason why!  Musk is always saying that people need to have more kids, but by �people� he doesn�t mean you or me, instead that is a message to his species to produce more aliens for the coming takeover.

Have you ever wondered why Mark Zuckerberg looks (and acts) so much like a robot?  Because that�s the way everybody looks on his planet!  The character Data in Star Trek was obviously modeled after another member of Zuckerberg�s species.  And what is up with Meta and the Metaverse?  Most likely trying to recreate his original planet here on Earth.

What about Jeff Bezos?  How could a normal human have quickly made a small company selling used books into a behemoth that moves 80% of all commerce on the planet?  Alien technology or knowhow.  Ever notice how his right eye always seems a little off compared to the left?  That�s clearly because his alien body is having a hard time fitting inside its human shell.

What about Warren Buffett?  It seems he got where he is through smarts and hard work � probably one of us.

The aliens also seem to have completely taken over one of the major political parties in the U.S.  Does Donald Trump�s orange skin make you think something is a little off?  Well that�s the normal color for beings from his planet!

What about Ron DeSantis� complete lack of emotions and inability to understand and respond to typical human cultural norms?  Those are not needed on his planet and apparently he skipped out on those lessons during the training sessions before his arrival.

Ever wonder why Mike Pence is constantly looking towards the heavens?  He is waiting for a rescue ship to come and take him and Mother back to their home world!  (I�m kind of looking forward to that, too)

Have you ever wondered why Mitch McConnell looks like some sort of mutant love child between a frog and a salamander?  Is he an alien too?  In his case I think not, unfortunately � he is just a poster child for what happens from too much inbreeding.

And then there�s good old Joe Biden � with an emphasis on old.  How can he be so old and still run one of the most powerful countries in the world?  It isn�t from taking his Geritol!  There are paintings showing Biden out having beers with George Washington and Thomas Jefferson at the * Tavern in Virginia in the 1770s (* - the System won't let me put in the actual name).  How can he be almost 300 years old but not look a day over 80?  Maybe if he was a vampire, but we know those aren�t real, so the only remaining logical explanation is that he must be an alien!

And what is up with climate change?  Most of the aliens came from hotter planets so they took over fossil fuel companies early and allowed us to develop technologies to burn fuel as fast as possible to quickly destroy our planet and make it more habitable for them!  And they used us to do it so it doesn�t even look like alien influence was behind it!

We can also look at what our future alien overlords do with their money.  Now if you were the richest person in the world, what would you do?  Obviously you would buy a small Caribbean (or maybe Mediterranean or South Pacific) island or possibly an entire country, bring in an excellent medical staff and the most beautiful women from around the world (assuming you are male) and spend the rest of your days frolicking on the sand.  Please don�t deny it, we all know it�s true!  However, what have Bezos and Musk done?  Started companies that build spaceships!  SpaceX, Blue Origin � are you kidding me?  That is certainly not normal human behavior and clearly was done so they can have transport back to their home worlds (or possibly to bring back their relatives - durn anchor babies).  It also gives them cover in case they can repair one of the alien spacecraft held around the world � they can hail it as a new, homegrown invention!

As if all the above were not completely convincing, I can provide a further piece of evidence: domestic cats.  Why do we spend our lives in servitude to creatures that provide nothing in return?  How is it that cats were able to so quickly take over the internet?  What made the ancient Egyptians worship them as gods?  We are expected to feed them, give them excellent medical care, constantly refresh their water dishes, clean up after all their messes from barfing all over the place, let them out, and in, and out, and in, and out, and maybe in again, and scoop their poop several times a day, and what do they do for us?  Maybe bring us a dead animal, or only half of one, if we�re lucky.  And if we�re not fast enough bringing them their dinner?  They will show their displeasure by peeing on your shirt!  Ever have one stare at you?  They never blink � clearly part of their alien mind-control techniques.  Cats seem to have been brought here to train us to be more effective slaves for our alien leaders once they have fully taken over the planet, and we have fallen for it hook, line and sinker!

People, it�s time to wake up and smell the coffee - all of the above provides, clear, unambiguous, irrefutable proof that the aliens are here among us and are planning for our imminent demise!  Resistance is futile - we will either be wiped out or reduced to servitude.  So now you know the truth and we can stop all of these discussions!  OK, I have to stop writing and go feed the cats or there will be pee to pay.


(Disclaimer: It is possible that I made up parts or maybe all of the above.  Except for Mitch McConnell and the cats).

hahahhahahaha  rofl

Brilliant piece of writing - and so true of course. Especially about the cats 

... moving on.

Congressman Tim Burchett will be leading the congressional hearings regarding the testimonials given by military personnel starting with David Grush.

James Comer, Chairman of the House Oversight Committee has appointed Burchett and others to hold the hearings.

interview here https://youtu.be/jGl6l8RfE8E

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on June 12, 2023, 18:15

OK, it�s time to stop all this speculation and look objectively at the facts we already know.  Once you do, it�s very clear that the aliens are here, have been living with us for decades at least and are planning for their coming takeover.

We can summarize the proof in two words (or one name): Elon Musk.  How is it that one person can come up with so many technologically important companies � Tesla, Boring, Neuralink?  Is that possible for a human being?  You know it isn�t.  With Tesla he can monitor where we are going and what we are doing, with Boring he can develop rapid underground transport so the aliens can get where they want undetected, and the purpose of Neuralink is to develop implants that can control human thought.  Why would he do this?  Hello???  Obviously to control human minds after the alien takeover!  Musk is supposedly from South Africa, but has anyone seen his birth certificate?  Has he provided a DNA sample to prove that he is human?  I don�t think so - and you know the reason why!  Musk is always saying that people need to have more kids, but by �people� he doesn�t mean you or me, instead that is a message to his species to produce more aliens for the coming takeover.

Have you ever wondered why Mark Zuckerberg looks (and acts) so much like a robot?  Because that�s the way everybody looks on his planet!  The character Data in Star Trek was obviously modeled after another member of Zuckerberg�s species.  And what is up with Meta and the Metaverse?  Most likely trying to recreate his original planet here on Earth.

What about Jeff Bezos?  How could a normal human have quickly made a small company selling used books into a behemoth that moves 80% of all commerce on the planet?  Alien technology or knowhow.  Ever notice how his right eye always seems a little off compared to the left?  That�s clearly because his alien body is having a hard time fitting inside its human shell.

What about Warren Buffett?  It seems he got where he is through smarts and hard work � probably one of us.

The aliens also seem to have completely taken over one of the major political parties in the U.S.  Does Donald Trump�s orange skin make you think something is a little off?  Well that�s the normal color for beings from his planet!

What about Ron DeSantis� complete lack of emotions and inability to understand and respond to typical human cultural norms?  Those are not needed on his planet and apparently he skipped out on those lessons during the training sessions before his arrival.

Ever wonder why Mike Pence is constantly looking towards the heavens?  He is waiting for a rescue ship to come and take him and Mother back to their home world!  (I�m kind of looking forward to that, too)

Have you ever wondered why Mitch McConnell looks like some sort of mutant love child between a frog and a salamander?  Is he an alien too?  In his case I think not, unfortunately � he is just a poster child for what happens from too much inbreeding.

And then there�s good old Joe Biden � with an emphasis on old.  How can he be so old and still run one of the most powerful countries in the world?  It isn�t from taking his Geritol!  There are paintings showing Biden out having beers with George Washington and Thomas Jefferson at the * Tavern in Virginia in the 1770s (* - the System won't let me put in the actual name).  How can he be almost 300 years old but not look a day over 80?  Maybe if he was a vampire, but we know those aren�t real, so the only remaining logical explanation is that he must be an alien!

And what is up with climate change?  Most of the aliens came from hotter planets so they took over fossil fuel companies early and allowed us to develop technologies to burn fuel as fast as possible to quickly destroy our planet and make it more habitable for them!  And they used us to do it so it doesn�t even look like alien influence was behind it!

We can also look at what our future alien overlords do with their money.  Now if you were the richest person in the world, what would you do?  Obviously you would buy a small Caribbean (or maybe Mediterranean or South Pacific) island or possibly an entire country, bring in an excellent medical staff and the most beautiful women from around the world (assuming you are male) and spend the rest of your days frolicking on the sand.  Please don�t deny it, we all know it�s true!  However, what have Bezos and Musk done?  Started companies that build spaceships!  SpaceX, Blue Origin � are you kidding me?  That is certainly not normal human behavior and clearly was done so they can have transport back to their home worlds (or possibly to bring back their relatives - durn anchor babies).  It also gives them cover in case they can repair one of the alien spacecraft held around the world � they can hail it as a new, homegrown invention!

As if all the above were not completely convincing, I can provide a further piece of evidence: domestic cats.  Why do we spend our lives in servitude to creatures that provide nothing in return?  How is it that cats were able to so quickly take over the internet?  What made the ancient Egyptians worship them as gods?  We are expected to feed them, give them excellent medical care, constantly refresh their water dishes, clean up after all their messes from barfing all over the place, let them out, and in, and out, and in, and out, and maybe in again, and scoop their poop several times a day, and what do they do for us?  Maybe bring us a dead animal, or only half of one, if we�re lucky.  And if we�re not fast enough bringing them their dinner?  They will show their displeasure by peeing on your shirt!  Ever have one stare at you?  They never blink � clearly part of their alien mind-control techniques.  Cats seem to have been brought here to train us to be more effective slaves for our alien leaders once they have fully taken over the planet, and we have fallen for it hook, line and sinker!

People, it�s time to wake up and smell the coffee - all of the above provides, clear, unambiguous, irrefutable proof that the aliens are here among us and are planning for our imminent demise!  Resistance is futile - we will either be wiped out or reduced to servitude.  So now you know the truth and we can stop all of these discussions!  OK, I have to stop writing and go feed the cats or there will be pee to pay.


(Disclaimer: It is possible that I made up parts or maybe all of the above.  Except for Mitch McConnell and the cats).

That's exactly what an alien would say 👽😲👽😲

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