Author Topic: UFOs now called UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) Crowd Stories and photos. (Read 50605 times)

alan b traehern · « **Reply #375 on:** August 04, 2023, 06:00 »

Quote from: Big Toe on August 02, 2023, 06:20

Quote from: Lowls on July 28, 2023, 10:03

Perpetual motion machines - planets?

Planets are not perpetual motion machines. They lose energy when they do work like sending out gravitons or creating tidal forces.

You are arguing with someone who has no idea of what science is, but he believes his fake UFO SciFi trash.

Lowls · « **Reply #376 on:** August 04, 2023, 08:16 »

Quote from: alan b traehern on August 04, 2023, 06:00

Quote from: Big Toe on August 02, 2023, 06:20
Quote from: Lowls on July 28, 2023, 10:03

Perpetual motion machines - planets?

Planets are not perpetual motion machines. They lose energy when they do work like sending out gravitons or creating tidal forces.

You are arguing with someone who has no idea of what science is, but he believes his fake UFO SciFi trash.

That's a shame. And not a little infantile. Not enough hugs as a child?

cascoly · « **Reply #377 on:** August 04, 2023, 13:26 »

Quote from: Lowls on August 04, 2023, 08:16

Quote from: alan b traehern on August 04, 2023, 06:00
Quote from: Big Toe on August 02, 2023, 06:20
Quote from: Lowls on July 28, 2023, 10:03

Perpetual motion machines - planets?

Planets are not perpetual motion machines. They lose energy when they do work like sending out gravitons or creating tidal forces.

You are arguing with someone who has no idea of what science is, but he believes his fake UFO SciFi trash.

That's a shame. And not a little infantile. Not enough hugs as a child?

your constant insults to the person, rather than the ideas, shows just how little you know (or care?) about science, and how little actual support you have for your fantasies

Lowls · « **Reply #378 on:** August 05, 2023, 02:43 »

Recent debate between:

Michael Shermer - 'The' Skeptic
Destiny - political commentator and utuber
Daniel Pinchbeck - Author and conspiracy theorist
Bill Ottman - Co founder of Minds/freedom of info activist
James Fox - UAP researcher and film maker

https://youtu.be/zzgiM5RgIhU

The debate discusses the fallout and reaction to the recent congressional hearings and where things stand now. I don't agree with Shermer but you cannot deny he has a fairly even hand as a skeptic but what is hilarious is that James Fox who is a total gentleman and an exhaustive researcher loses it. For anyone who does follow James, he just does not attack. He is always very even-handed and open minded. Not so in this debate. But why ...

... on another more recent podcast yesterday he got pinned down about his involvement. He was asked if he knew of anything coning very soon that is going to kick this door open further. His reposnse was yes. When asked what it was his response was that he couldn't say because he was involved in this one. Which implies that Christopher Mellon is involved. So this interview is with him knowing much more about whats coming and he can't say anything about it.

Lowls · « **Reply #379 on:** August 05, 2023, 08:48 »

Ross Coulhart and Bryce Zabel explain some of the developments and events since the UAP congressional hearings.
https://youtu.be/0oVa3xU34Dk

Lowls · « **Reply #380 on:** August 07, 2023, 07:39 »

Loreto De Mainas Peru - news reports began yesterday of footage of tribes running around firing weapons into the forest at night. A request for support was sent out by the villages because they were under attack. Translations have been slow because they speak Spanish with a slight local variation according to some. Original video which was shared widely.

https://twitter.com/blackdragon1802/status/1687359847132438528?s=20

Initially this was thought to be drug farmers attacking the villagers but after more video reports were uploaded the reports took a turn for the bizarre.

The villagerrs had been attacked by 7 foot tall aliens wearing some sort of silver suit and ... floating ... along on some sort of small silver disk with red lights coming from it. Despite being shot repeatedly although being knocked down they soon got back up. They took a teenage girl hostage when cornered and cut her throat. As more villagers arrived they attempted to capture one and they chased them through the forest but they escaped in their craft. This has been happening for a few nights.

in combination with this the navy and local authorities have dispatched personnel to the village to investigate and news paper reports have been removed as have utube clips. This long version of what was released initially shows the report.

https://youtu.be/HBHIZ5MSyQ4 if you can't speak Spanish go to CC and select subtitles and in settings select your language or auto generate English. Upload from 4 fay's ago

Further reports have surfaced of people being found along the river line dead with their faces cut off.
Make of it what you will.

Big Toe · « **Reply #381 on:** August 07, 2023, 09:02 »

Quote from: Lowls on August 07, 2023, 07:39

The villagerrs had been attacked by 7 foot tall aliens wearing some sort of silver suit and ... floating ... along on some sort of small silver disk with red lights coming from it. Despite being shot repeatedly although being knocked down they soon got back up. They took a teenage girl hostage when cornered and cut her throat. As more villagers arrived they attempted to capture one and they chased them through the forest but they escaped in their craft. This has been happening for a few nights.

So those aliens travel at least dozens, probably hundreds or even thousands of light-years and then have nothing better to do than to harass and kill a few villagers in South America?

I have heard better cover stories for crimes actually commited by humans.

Lowls · « **Reply #382 on:** August 07, 2023, 09:40 »

Quote from: Big Toe on August 07, 2023, 09:02

Quote from: Lowls on August 07, 2023, 07:39
The villagerrs had been attacked by 7 foot tall aliens wearing some sort of silver suit and ... floating ... along on some sort of small silver disk with red lights coming from it. Despite being shot repeatedly although being knocked down they soon got back up. They took a teenage girl hostage when cornered and cut her throat. As more villagers arrived they attempted to capture one and they chased them through the forest but they escaped in their craft. This has been happening for a few nights.

So those aliens travel at least dozens, probably hundreds or even thousands of light-years and then have nothing better to do than to harass and kill a few villagers in South America?

I have heard better cover stories for crimes acutally commited by humans.

I know right. It's an odd one. Though there appears to be a large number of witnesses ... and armed to the teeth. Drug cartels snatching people for labour seems far more likely an explanation. But why not say that. Why go for "aliens" of all things. And to be so specific about their appearance. And as you say - motive. We don't contain anything that can't be obtained anywhere else. We are an unlikely a food source. And I've followed this stuff for decades. Large aliens isn't usual. Though the family in Las Vegas reported the same large aliens.

Well because of the hearings there's more footage and or fake stuff than you can look at. But this one was interesting.

Resource useage here was odd. Bullets used extensively. There were several videos showing this. Torches too burning batteries. No defensive choices made. They went on the attack and gave chase. That's an unusual tactical choice.

Some daylight footage following the event showing officials arriving at the village

https://twitter.com/blackdragon1802/status/1687357525216112645?s=20

Lowls · « **Reply #383 on:** August 08, 2023, 02:55 »

A anti woke UK news channel usually the home of Piers Morgan takes on the recent UFO subject with Nick Pope and Jeremy Corbell as the next group of whistle blowers are detailed.

They have begun the whistle blower protections process and will be testifying soon. Rumours have the number at 40 whistle blowers lined up. Some are people who have directly worked within the special compartmentalised project groups handling the craft.

https://youtu.be/fmO44IeMHT4

alan b traehern · « **Reply #384 on:** August 08, 2023, 07:02 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on July 01, 2023, 15:22

Quote from: cascoly on July 01, 2023, 12:24
Quote from: Lowls on June 29, 2023, 15:36
... The chinese and Russians do not have oversight like the US and or limits of morality built in from a young age. Frankly they just dont care about much. Safety, morality, money, anything.

sounds like you're the one in an alternate universe if you believe the US is so different from R&C in these areas

Research has shown that repeating a claim increases that claim’s perceived truth value. The UFO propaganda machine is designed to tell the lies over and over and also discredit anything that doesn't agree with the propaganda version of the story. Anything that shows evidence that does follow the story line is vigorously attacked, but anything that follows the propaganda mission is accepted without questioning.

They claim to be searching for the truth but instead are ignoring the facts that would show their claims are vague fantasy science fiction.

Resolving cognitive dissonance. If more and more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly it must after all be correct. Believers will spread the word in order to recruit more members to the group. Anyone who disagrees will be ignored or ridiculed. Any information that doesn't fit the belief programing will be ignored and ridiculed. Obvious fantasy and frauds will be used, and repeated, as supported evidence.

Lowls · « **Reply #385 on:** August 08, 2023, 07:49 »

Quote from: alan b traehern on August 04, 2023, 06:00

You are arguing with someone who has no idea of what science is, but he believes his fake UFO SciFi trash.

Quote from: alan b traehern on August 04, 2023, 05:57

More of your personal attacks and insults for anybody who doesn't agree with you. But you are hurt if anybody disagrees with your brainwashed tripe.

Quote from: alan b traehern on August 08, 2023, 07:02

Quote from: cascoly on July 01, 2023, 12:24
sounds like you're the one in an alternate universe if you believe the US is so different from R&C in these areas

Research has shown that repeating a claim increases that claim’s perceived truth value. The UFO propaganda machine is designed to tell the lies over and over and also discredit anything that doesn't agree with the propaganda version of the story. Anything that shows evidence that does*nt follow the story line is vigorously attacked , but anything that follows the propaganda mission is accepted without questioning.

They claim to be searching for the truth but instead are ignoring the facts that would show their claims are vague fantasy science fiction.

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Resolving cognitive dissonance. If more and more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly it must after all be correct. Believers will spread the word in order to recruit more members to the group. Anyone who disagrees will be ignored or ridiculed. Any information that doesn't fit the belief programing will be ignored and ridiculed. Obvious fantasy and frauds will be used, and repeated, as supported evidence.

You've just described your only participation in this thread admirably. And that of your 'group' members. I did laugh when you quoted the Shatner post and used that as further vague fantasy proof of "attacks". Give me a break. You don't even know what an attack even means. So you aren't capable of contributing anything meaningful and as shown above just prefer to post unrelated derogatory drivel. Fine I can accommodate that 😊. Welcome to the thread anyway.

cascoly · « **Reply #386 on:** August 08, 2023, 14:05 »

Quote from: Lowls on August 08, 2023, 02:55

A anti woke UK news channel usually the home of Piers Morgan takes on the recent UFO subject with Nick Pope and Jeremy Corbell as the next group of whistle blowers are detailed.
... Rumours have the number at 40 whistle blowers lined up. Some are people who have directly worked within the special compartmentalised project groups handling the craft.

just contradicts your claims skeptics don't consider the other side! how many alien-friendly tabloids et al have shown skeptical views?

Lowls · « **Reply #387 on:** August 08, 2023, 14:27 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 08, 2023, 14:05

Quote from: Lowls on August 08, 2023, 02:55
A anti woke UK news channel usually the home of Piers Morgan takes on the recent UFO subject with Nick Pope and Jeremy Corbell as the next group of whistle blowers are detailed.
... Rumours have the number at 40 whistle blowers lined up. Some are people who have directly worked within the special compartmentalised project groups handling the craft.

just contradicts your claims skeptics don't consider the other side! how many alien-friendly tabloids et al have shown skeptical views?

A news organisation isn't 'a' skeptic. And clearly you didn't watch it. I'm shocked.

It begins in a very neutral and balanced way ... "Better get your tin foil hats at the ready" to the X files music, unfortunately for the poorly briefed presenter.

You've coloured rumours red btw.

cascoly · « **Reply #388 on:** August 08, 2023, 14:40 »

Quote from: Lowls on August 08, 2023, 14:27

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You've coloured rumours red btw.

my error - should have noted i changed that to highlight your continued posting of rumors, speculation and hearsay. and once again in a way you can disingenuously claim you're "just sayin'"

Lowls · « **Reply #389 on:** August 08, 2023, 15:04 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 08, 2023, 14:40

Quote from: Lowls on August 08, 2023, 14:27
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You've coloured rumours red btw.
my error - should have noted i changed that to highlight your continued posting of rumors, speculation and hearsay. and once again in a way you can disingenuously claim you're "just sayin'"

oh no ... isn't that an another of your ad hominem "attacks" that you fall back on with dreary regularity when someone corrects your speculation and straw clutching. Do you want to tag one of your team mates in?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #390 on:** August 08, 2023, 15:20 »

Quote from: Lowls on August 08, 2023, 07:49

You've just described your only participation in this thread admirably. And that of your 'group' members. I did laugh when you quoted the Shatner post and used that as further vague fantasy proof of "attacks". Give me a break. You don't even know what an attack even means. So you aren't capable of contributing anything meaningful and as shown above just prefer to post unrelated derogatory drivel. Fine I can accommodate that 😊. Welcome to the thread anyway.

You're right. Since you are quoting attacks and drivel.

Quote from: Lowls on May 17, 2023, 17:30

Peter has clearly found his meds 😳 ... pssst Lower the dose.

Where do you start. The Bermuda triangle is a fact. The cause isn't but I subscribe to the underground or underwater mass gas releases experiments that were done which can be found on utube. ... It doesn't explain the various planes that went missing due to instrument failure specifically the compass but many things can cause a compass to fail.

... which brings us to the ignorance of the skeptics self proclaimed or otherwise. I did state at the beginning of the thread ... don't bother. Your ridiculous cliche of "the burden of proof falls to the ones making claims" is the usual trollop trotted out by lazy and idle people. You are the one hurling claims lol. Crack on Peter please prove your claim. You can't though can you because skeptics can never provide any meat to their bone. Its all "nonsense" they cry without any research or any proof what so ever. Lazy. And they never attempt to investigate themselves. They barely bother to research what's out there. One thing is a fact. No one employs skeptics when embarking on a venture do they. Pay them good money to work against you lol.

Many of those interviews are available on utube. Of course all that research had to be done for free according to Peter. Because if you take that research and put the salient points in a book jacket and sell it, it automatically makes you a fraud. Oops. and the lectures these fraudsters attend are also scambait.

Peter is giving away his stock photos for free everyone btw. Just dm him that's right isn't it Peter lol.

Shame you ranted off Peter. Why is anyone's guess but that's you isn't it. What rank did you get to Pete ... I'm curious...

Just pointing out what personal attacks actually look like.

No the Bermuda Triangle is 100% fiction, error and people writing books to trick the suckers who will believe made up a mystery that has been documented to be fabricated or has ignored the truth, time after time. Once someone starts to look at "where is the Bermuda Triangle" just for a simple start, many of the cases, didn't occur in that area.

Then going back to records and facts, some of the cases, were later explained, (before the fantasy authors started writing this drivel in the 60s) ships were found, but the authors don't bother with that. Some never disappeared.

A training squadron led by a man with notoriously bad navigation skills and students with limited experience, flies out over the Atlantic and runs out of fuel, in rough seas and deep water. Can you imagine trying to find a volley ball, bouncing in the waves, in an unknown location?

The entire mystery is invented and worded to make something sound unexplained. Just like most of the UFO cases. How many times have we heard, over the years, lets say the last 40 or so, "soon there will be a big development that will blow the whole coverup wide open."

Best joke right now is whistle blowers, coming out, to expose the truth about something that doesn't exist. This is entertaining. Watch this bubble burst and the whole recent investigation deflate into the shadows. That's my prediction.

Lowls · « **Reply #391 on:** August 08, 2023, 16:48 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 17, 2023, 12:03

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The "believers" will never listen to reason and come up with the same stale "prove it's not real" which is a contradiction in logic. Prove I don't own a giant invisible frog, that lives in my yard. Impossible.

Believers don't want answers, they want the mystery and intrigue.

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Nope, you can call me what you want, but I am clearly for science and evidence and a skeptic when it comes to extraordinary claims. Show me the evidence, I'm ready to change my mind and admit I was wrong and had erred.

Drug addled pensioner high on fish tank food and linoleum flakes.🤔

You said call you what we wanted 😊. The lower the dose comment obviously offended you and for that I apologise I can only say that comments like those in that context in my culture are robbed from films of a humorous nature from America and are used to deflate a perceived tense atmosphere. Obviously you've not seen those films.

Bermuda Triangle- I can't opose you on that Peter as we agree completely.

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Best joke right now is whistle blowers, coming out, to expose the truth about something that doesn't exist

Hmmmm ok but I'd have a bit of a catch up because UAP factually exist that's why AARO are researching them and so are NASA. If you mean recovered craft again NASA and AARO are researching them and because they accept they exist one has to allow that some break potentially and there are some very high ranking individuals in governmnents around the world that believe so too. Aliens ... thats a wait and see now isn't it.

I see someone who is skeptical as someone who has not decided one way or another because they lack acceptable facts to pick a position.

Your version of skeptic is its all BS until you prove to me it isn't. I can discuss what I've learned. I can discuss what I've seen personally or read. I can discuss the merits of each story, photo and eye witness account and you can choose to believe or mock it.
But Peter you've interviewed me for a job I haven't applied for. I have no intention of attempting to convince you or anyone else of anything. I know what I believe and I'm aware of the details of what's going on but if you aren't as some aren't, I'm posting it here. We can have a conversation about it.

One thing for certain in my experience is that it has never ever gone down like this before. Especially with what I know is coming.

Thanks Peter for some interesting perspective.

Lowls · « **Reply #392 on:** August 09, 2023, 03:48 »

Following on from the story from Peru ... reports of aliens attacking the villagers around the area and bodies being found on the river banks with their faces removed are surfacing. And so has a video. A copy has been posted to a reddit page but be warned it is extremely graphic. And if real quite sad.

For the doubters the comments have a mixture of medical guesswork and actual knowledge. The concensus is that its fake. It is possible obviously but it would require rather good make up.

The body isn't obviously damaged aside from the obvious and appears on the face of it completely fine. But there are comments that the head isn't lolling back as it should the jaw bone is still attached and the list goes on.

Rigor Mortis sets in shortly after death. It does go away. Its also worth noting this upload is almost 2 months old so before recent news events although the villagers have said this has happened before in years past and has been for some time recently.
The face or skull is extremely white. This takes time to happen in flowing water and this body hasn't been there long.
Rigor is still present.
No bloating.
No pooling visible which there would be.
Blood looks fresh.
Neck incisions look very straight.

Despite claims that wildlife goes for the face first the man's ears are in tact. And in animals my experience is that it's usually the rectum and eyes, then jaw and skull.

The skull does appear to protrude oddly like it's someone wearing a mask but then the neck area wouldn't be easy to fake like that if at all.

So take it as you will. In my experience even events like this don't make much of a ripple. As mentioned before this could be drug gangs but to achieve this would mean someone quite out there. For wildlife to pick those bone structures that clean it takes days and the jaw would be gone. And water takes a few weeks. NO bloating, no pooling which occurs roughly an hour to two after death.

I won't put the page link myself but it can be found by searching for "Man with exposed skull taken out of the water" by user SomeOfYouMayDie

Lowls · « **Reply #393 on:** August 09, 2023, 04:37 »

It's official a rational explanation has been found for the aliens in Peru ... Prosecutors Office issues a working theory to explain hovering aliens

Miners. Miners who are mining illegally. Wearing jet packs. Seems legit.

The witnesses say no sound at all was made when the aliens hovered around.

Lowls · « **Reply #394 on:** August 09, 2023, 05:25 »

Developments on the David Grusch story hit a new low
yesterday as David Grusch was approached by an online news magazine called The Intercept. They asked him if he would like to comment about his medical diagnosis of PTSD.

There are three avenues for this information to come to light.
1. Through freedom of information request to the local sherrifs office regarding a detainment for transfer to a psychiatric facility.

2. From David's medical records held by the inteligence agency in his personnel files.

3. David Himself.

The local sherrif has confirmed that no such request has been revieved and no personal information was leaked.

David Grusch explained the details of the event to Ross Coulthart when he interviewed him and that was all.

Which leaves the Intelligence agencies personnel files staff.

Here in his own words regarding the events. David Grusch.

muha · « **Reply #395 on:** August 10, 2023, 04:54 »

When I was shooting, I didn’t see anything, I discovered it accidentally a few years later, sorting through the archives. Everything was shooted by me in RAW format. In the third photo it’s definitely strange and quite noticeable, but what gives it meaning is that there is a series of photos with a difference of 10 seconds on which there is also something, although without the third photo itself it would never have attracted attention. Obviously something is coming in the sky.

I don’t know what it is and I’m not saying it’s a UFO, but it’s definitely not a helicopter or a drone, it’s a bearish corner, there are only a couple of villages at the foot of the mountain range, and it was in 2012

Lowls · « **Reply #396 on:** August 10, 2023, 05:45 »

Quote from: muha on August 10, 2023, 04:54

When I was shooting, I didn’t see anything, I discovered it accidentally a few years later, sorting through the archives. Everything was shooted by me in RAW format. In the third photo it’s definitely strange and quite noticeable, but what gives it meaning is that there is a series of photos with a difference of 10 seconds on which there is also something, although without the third photo itself it would never have attracted attention. Obviously something is coming in the sky.

I don’t know what it is and I’m not saying it’s a UFO, but it’s definitely not a helicopter or a drone, it’s a bearish corner, there are only a couple of villages at the foot of the mountain range, and it was in 2012

Certainly very interesting and moving. Thank you for that. It would be interesting to find out the focal length that you used at the time and shutter speed. Is 'bearish corner' a place named that or bear/bare remote? Obviously it's hard to guess size but looks quite large comparing it ro tree line. Again thank you.

muha · « **Reply #397 on:** August 10, 2023, 06:23 »

Two more. And you can see all parameters.

cascoly · « **Reply #398 on:** August 10, 2023, 14:28 »

Quote from: Lowls on August 09, 2023, 03:48

Following on from the story from Peru ... reports of aliens attacking the villagers around the area and bodies being found on the river banks with their faces removed are surfacing. And so has a video. A copy has been posted to a reddit page but be warned it is extremely graphic. And if real quite sad.

For the doubters the comments have a mixture of medical guesswork and actual knowledge. The concensus is that its fake. It is possible obviously but it would require rather good make up.
...

these murders have been reported for more than a decade as corporations rape the rainforest, clearing out both forest & tribal villages

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/massacre-in-the-amazon

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/two-murders-in-the-amazon

cascoly · « **Reply #399 on:** August 10, 2023, 14:43 »

Quote from: muha on August 10, 2023, 04:54

When I was shooting, I didn’t see anything, I discovered it accidentally a few years later, sorting through the archives. Everything was shooted by me in RAW format. In the third photo it’s definitely strange and quite noticeable, but what gives it meaning is that there is a series of photos with a difference of 10 seconds on which there is also something, although without the third photo itself it would never have attracted attention. Obviously something is coming in the sky.

I don’t know what it is and I’m not saying it’s a UFO, but it’s definitely not a helicopter or a drone,...

it's called a cloud! to be expected with low clouds like this - you can see small changes in the nearby clouds including some becoming darker (usually caused by lighting changes due to other clouds positions wrt the sun. timelapse videos easily show this effect.

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